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Published: Thursday, Nov. 22 2007 12:09 a.m. MST

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Bob

At 48, I just decided, after a life time of not agreeing with the ACLU, to become a member. The fascist storm troopers and the courts that support them are out of hand. If we don't re-take our rights, they will be gone forever.

Harry

Utah can now put out new state slogans:

IN UTAH, ELECTROCUTION IS NOT JUST FOR MURDERERS ANYMORE.

COME TO UTAH, AMERICA'S ABU GRAIB.

UTAH - WE'LL SHOCK YOU WITH OUR COURTESY, PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT.

UTAH - THE TORTURE STATE.

UTAH STATE MOTTO - "DON'T TASE ME BRO!"

UHP - WE ESCALATE TENSIONS.

UTAH - MARQUIS DE SADE TASED HERE.

DJ

You must sign a ticket? Strange, I've never signed a parking ticket in my life, how so?

This cop was obviously having a bad day. He should be fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The Constitution and our rights, are the rights of the people from their government. No one, has to say one thing to anyone in government. Ever hear of the right to remain silent?

If this isn't a wake up call to people in Utah, I don't know what it will take. I guess, when your on the receiving end of some nutcase cop, will you decide to act.

am

I agree with GWC. The man was obviously on some kind of drug induced ranting rage, a danger to himself and countless others on the highway. All people who act in this manner should be at the leased Tasered if not shoot. Like here in Russia we taser people for everything from buttoning up too many buttons on their coats to people who look different. We dont think of it as unlawfull use of force we think of it as free mental health treatment.

Dan

Don't forget that people (even young, healthy people not under the influence of any drug) do occasionally die as a result of the shock a Taser delivers. It should only be used when necessary to bring control to a potentially dangerous situation. An unsigned traffic ticket is not a dangerous situation, and the driver would still get a default judgment entered against him if he failed to appear in court.

Darren Dupre

Lol, you cops are hilarious. The video indicts the cop perfectly. For one thing, it is clear that the cop saw the guy get out of his vehicle and saw exactly what he was doing with his hands (With a piece of paper, plainly obvious).

The fact that the cop didn't feel "threatened" until the man had his back to the cop shows how cowardly and gutless he was.

If we ever get to a point where social order breaks down and people have to fend for themselves, who would you trust? A police officer who spits on the people or your common man and woman?

Darren Dupre

"Seldom are traffic stops wrong or incorrect."

BS, Darryl. It happens all the time. Do you think cops are infallable? Cops often have ticket quotas, too. Do you think cops are all honest people?

"It has always been comical to me when speeders or reckless drivers have the audacitry to argue or become belligerent when stopped by an officer."

And it always makes me wonder why cops always like to put on power trips with old ladies and fathers with their kids listening in the car. So much for "to protect and to serve". Now the theme is "Conform and Obey".

Officers can do no wrong in your eyes.

John Evans

The cop had the option of placing the ticket on his car and leaving the ticket in force. The law did not require that he arrest him. He arrested him because he was annoyed at the guy and wanted to teach him a lesson. The driver might be annoying, but the cop must act professionally anyway. I used to have a lot of respect for cops and thought that the people who complained about them should just follow the law and learn some respect. Now, in the past couple of years as it has become much easier to see them in action, it's clear that a huge number of them are just sick thugs. Sure there are many who are decent hard-working professionals doing a difficult job, but with so many sadistic cops out there, I really can't trust any of them anymore.

John

ma

To even be drawn into either side of the argument is to miss the point completely.

#1. Police and law enforcement are NOT the citizens superiors by ANY stretch of the imagination, PERIOD! They ARE, out of control employees!

#2. For the past 60 years it's been about two things only... revenue, and a usurped, illusionary
authority over the public to aquire such... and we allowed it to happen.

Brian Chandliss

Jared is a control freak who discovered a situation where he couldn't be in control. Even at the end (of the video) he tries to intimidate the Trooper by talking about Miranda rights.

14justice

Before the taser was invented the police carried billy-clubs --- anybody remember? In the Rodney King case, the billy-club was used freely and the after effects were obvious and undeniable. Video of the incident led to riots.

Unlike the billy-club the taser leaves no lumps or bruises and draws no blood. If the video had only shown Rodney King being tasered multiple times, would there have been riots and charges of brutality? Apparently not, since many videos of such incidents are available on Youtube today.

In my view, any device used by the police that causes its victim to fall to the ground screaming represents police brutality. I don't understand why there is no public outcry against this device.

The taser allows the police to torture innocent people with impunity since its victims appear to be unharmed (physically, that is).

Tasers should be banned. If police MUST use force, let them use it honestly. Bring back the billy-club.

Jason H

14justice, tasers have two prongs that enter the target's skin whice are removed by a medical team after the incident has de-escalated.

Police brutality is when an officer uses excessive force to achieve compliance. Tasers, police batons, and pepper spray are all tools that are less-lethal; meaning they are short of deadly force. Less-lethal force has its uses and saves lives. For example, a police officer in Colorado was attacked by a teenager wielding two kitchen knives. Instead of utilizing deadly force (e.g. his firearm), he elected to use a taser, which likely saved the kid's life. If he had not had a taser, he would have had no choice but to use deadly force instead.

I'm not arguing that the officer's actions in the speeding ticket case here were appropriate. I AM saying, however, that you cannot automatically brand tasers cruel and barbaric when they have saved many lives in other occasions. It is the officer, not his tools, that determines whether there is excessive force, or "police brutality".

troy richards

if a person does not comply with a police officer he is responsible for what happens next, I have no pity for this jerk, and jerk is what he is, a jerk for speeding and a jerk for not complying with a lawful command. All you libs need to realize we need respect for law and order not punks doing as they please with out any consequences.

Fellow Traveller

the cops, former cops, and law&order creeps will defend police no matter what police do.

the 'liberals' will attack all police actions no matter what they are.

this society is SO polarized that it is now dangerous to drive in an Utah highway, evidently.

as to driving is a privelege?

hmmm

well with gas at nearly $100.00, and with it taking about 6 months for gas prices to catch up,

there may be a time when highway traffic will be 90% less than now.

at that point, what will these aggressive cops DO?

when the economy crashes, and a breakdown of social order really happens, it isn't going to be a good thing to be a cop.

events like this one will be rememberd.

you-tube can be spammed by 'the usual suspects' but ppl ARE going to remember this.

when they are cold and hungry, they REALLY WILL remember this video incident.

at that point, i would NOT want to be a highway patrol cop, trooper, or what have ya.

government officials and cops seem to forget about the idea of 'blow-back'.

irag is a good example fo that idea.

too bad no one is seeing or listening.

Anonymous

Trooper Gardner = Buck Savage (cops know this one)

After shooting Massey with the taser, ol' Gardner was standing there alone with no backup, with the taser in 1 hand and cuffs in the other, not knowing if Massey's wife had a weapon to shoot him with. If I were Gardner's supervisor I would fire him for gross incompetence.

Massey's an asshole but that's not against the law - abusing people in the name of government is though. It sux to run into a jerk like Massey, but that comes with the territory.

Then Gardner went over to taunt Massey's wife. Real classy move there.

If I ever get pulled over in Utah I'll definitely have my pistol cocked and ready (but then again I'll probably just sign the danged ticket).

I don't want to hear any more about how hard it is to be a cop. Everybody has a hard job. I used to be a narc officer - now I'm Joe civilian - and I can honestly say most cops can't cut it in the real world with a real job.

Wendy Weinbaum

Massey should have signed the ticket, BUT the cop WAS trigger-happy. As a Jewess in the US, I ask: Why can't we ALL put our 2nd Amendment FIRST?

Anonymous

Troy Richards,

You must like the idea of living in a communist regime. Police officers are getting out of control because of the powers they have. Cops are paid with tax money and they should be held accountable by those who pay their salary, the tax paying public, not by their own departments. Trooper Gardner was clearly out of line and just looking for an opportunity to use his new toy so he could then brag to another officer about the "ride" that this motorist got to take. If that doesn't show an abuse of power, I don't know what does. When all of our rights are taken away such as the right to know what we are being charged with, ect, you can thank guys like Troy. They don't see the need to question abuses of power. He must also be a tax-fed parasite like the honorable trooper Gardner.

one_freeman

deputy dog sez: remember driving is a privilege - not a right.

WRONG!

Numerous court cases have clearly stated that driving, ie, traveling about for one's personal reasons, is a RIGHT not a privilege. Only when one is engaged inb using the roads for commercial business does this become a privilege.

So, deputy dog,as well as others of like mind, it would behoove you to purge yourself of those fascist misconceptions that you have been indoctrinated with learn what your true rights are rather than what the dot.gov has conned you into believing.

Gregory R.

Mrs. Massey would have been completely within her rights to respond to Trooper Gardner's assault on her husband with whatever force was necessary to disarm or disable the officer and rescue Jared Massey.

Under the circumstances, with her husband lying bleeding and stunned by the side of a highway because of the actions of an armed and aggressive man, the pregnant woman might well have been fully within her rights to draw a gun and shoot Officer Gardner.

It's just fortunate that didn't happen.

Without regard to any of the specifics of this stop, Officer Gardener blatantly lies to his fellow officer at the end this video.

Can the Utah Highway Patrol, or the citizens of Utah for that matter, really allow this officer to continue to testify in court after the citizens of Utah have a video in which his integrity is so clearly shown lacking?

DSMDavy

The orginal article was contradictory anyway. First they say the officer has the right to arrest someone for not signing a ticket, and in the next breath, they say not signing a ticket is not a crime under Utah State Law. Which is it??

The cop was way out of line.

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