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Don't pay the bad teachers more | 8:00 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Someone needs to come up with a creative idea to reward the good teachers with
better pay, but not increase the pay of the bad teachers. We also need to find
a way to weed the bad teachers our of the system. Everyone knows that there are
some terrible teachers in our education system. Does anyone have some good
ideas for rewarding the good teachers and saying goodbye to the bad ones?
Please pay them more | 8:07 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
I don't think a $10,000 - $15,000 raise for teachers would be out of line
this year.
We need to pay them well enough to attract teachers here instead of chasing them away.
That is the way things will improve in Utah.
We need to pay them well enough to attract teachers here instead of chasing them away.
That is the way things will improve in Utah.
randy | 8:46 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
teachers get some money .. hopefully .... healthcare will never be good enough
(nobody keeps medical expenses in check) and air quality .. oh, that will take
care of itself when all the over taxed property owners have to either foreclose
or sell off their property and leave the state
again the capitol hill gang doesnt get it ... either take our property tax assessments down or 'we the people' will have to gather a signed petition for the ballot next year to return our property taxed assessments to 1% of our original purchase on our properties ... dont know about you but my employer isnt giving me a $.60 per hour raise just cover my increased property tax assessment ...
i would submit that the capitol hill gang needs to re-arrange their top 3 list .. otherwise the registered voters of utah will totally by-pass them and create their own property tax assessment law
again the capitol hill gang doesnt get it ... either take our property tax assessments down or 'we the people' will have to gather a signed petition for the ballot next year to return our property taxed assessments to 1% of our original purchase on our properties ... dont know about you but my employer isnt giving me a $.60 per hour raise just cover my increased property tax assessment ...
i would submit that the capitol hill gang needs to re-arrange their top 3 list .. otherwise the registered voters of utah will totally by-pass them and create their own property tax assessment law
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Roscoe | 9:04 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
It's time for the House Speaker, Greg Curtis, to go. His comments are
obviously not the dialogue of someone that is a problem solver. Progress on
these priorities can be made, but too many in the legislature, including Curtis,
don't have the right attitude. It appears there main concern is to
maintain their far-right image.
Anonymous | 9:10 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
You will never get rid of all the bad teachers. The way you get rid of most of
them is pay teachers more so there is competition and then the bad ones will not
make it. So what the gov. is doing is the best first step.
Sly | 9:18 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
I'm blown away! Repubs actually care about air quality? Isn't the
air considered part of the environment? How can this be? Since when does the
GOP care about quality of health and life? Amazing.
lifer | 9:46 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
"Don't pay the bad teachers more":
I agree there is much to be said for motivating improved performance through merit pay systems.
However, there may also be a general overall increase in teacher competency if the pay is high enough to interest bright undergrads and burnt-out veterans in the teaching profession.
Often times in business, the money available to increase salary and benefits is apportioned so that everyone's base salary gets a boost or COL increase, and the rest is allocated based on merit. How does that sound to you?
I agree there is much to be said for motivating improved performance through merit pay systems.
However, there may also be a general overall increase in teacher competency if the pay is high enough to interest bright undergrads and burnt-out veterans in the teaching profession.
Often times in business, the money available to increase salary and benefits is apportioned so that everyone's base salary gets a boost or COL increase, and the rest is allocated based on merit. How does that sound to you?
bob | 11:51 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
As an Educator I will take merit pay if I get to choose the students. That is
how business works. The minute you force me to take unmotivate students who
only show up half the time, then that becomes unfair.
johnny | 11:56 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Sounds like the Democrats are taking over the Republican party: Top 3 priorities
are all social programs (public education, environment, and health
insurance).
I'm confused? Do I vote Democrat or Republican?
Here's an idea. Let's get rid of the "government can serve the people better than the people can serve themselves" politicians and start from scratch with some limited government, liberty-loving citizens to represent us.
I'm confused? Do I vote Democrat or Republican?
Here's an idea. Let's get rid of the "government can serve the people better than the people can serve themselves" politicians and start from scratch with some limited government, liberty-loving citizens to represent us.
what about safety issues? | 12:33 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
two of these are good ideas anyway. I think helping public safety would be a
better priority, in front of air quality. The state has to be competitive with
the county and private jobs. Why do you think we are losing teacher and police
officers at record rates. A six percent raise does nothing when you look at what
you are putting the percent on. If you make $40,000 a year(which most teachers
and police officers only wish they made) you only get $2400 a year raise. That
doesn't even cover the effort, let alone a real raise to become
competitive. The legislators are taking a pay increase for themselves greater
than that in one month, just as they have in the past. GET YOUR PRIORITIES
STRAIGHT! Those you work for should come BEFORE you!
lifer | 12:49 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Bob:
I understand your concerns.
However, absolutely no one in business is guaranteed a clear playing field either.
Further, a teacher's eval should be based upon more than a one-time snap-shot based upon students' test results. It should involve several criteria, as well as periodic updates where your challenges are identified (e.g., unmotivated students), and strategies for dealing with them are discussed. In other words, merit evals also serve as professional development.
Where will the time and money for all this come from? From additional resources allocated by a halfway foresightful and enlightened legislature.
Yeah, okay, forget it. . . .
I understand your concerns.
However, absolutely no one in business is guaranteed a clear playing field either.
Further, a teacher's eval should be based upon more than a one-time snap-shot based upon students' test results. It should involve several criteria, as well as periodic updates where your challenges are identified (e.g., unmotivated students), and strategies for dealing with them are discussed. In other words, merit evals also serve as professional development.
Where will the time and money for all this come from? From additional resources allocated by a halfway foresightful and enlightened legislature.
Yeah, okay, forget it. . . .
reality | 1:10 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Hey public safety man, I think you need to research a little more. Yes, the
legislators are considering a raise this year--of a whopping $10! That's
$10 per day. That means that for their time during the session, their raise is
less than $1,000. That's a little less than $2,400.
UhhHuh | 1:40 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
I have an great idea for teacher raises. They can take extra coursework during
their lackadaisical summer months and "earn" a raise. Not only will
they be better fit to teach our children by expanding their knowledge base, but
the state could recognize this new knowledge with a raise. Wait, we do this
already. Why don't teachers take advantage of this system? 20 hours of
classwork = about $1000 raise every year for the rest of their career. So, one
summer�s worth of education could equal $30,000 or more
over a lifetime.
Teachers don't have it as bad as they would lead on. Starting is $31,604 plus awesome benefits and retirement, and more time off than the average working adult could dream of. Work in the summer and you're up to par with starting salaries in Utah. True, the profession is somewhat underpaid, but that has been a result of good old supply and demand. Too many teachers relates to low pay. Now, they are walking away and the legislature is taking note. It's not a novel idea.
Teachers don't have it as bad as they would lead on. Starting is $31,604 plus awesome benefits and retirement, and more time off than the average working adult could dream of. Work in the summer and you're up to par with starting salaries in Utah. True, the profession is somewhat underpaid, but that has been a result of good old supply and demand. Too many teachers relates to low pay. Now, they are walking away and the legislature is taking note. It's not a novel idea.
denn034 | 1:40 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
As do I.
Amo | 2:35 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Since the state started this school year short some 150+ teachers, improving
teacher pay would make the profession more attractive to qualified teachers, and
more competitive to weed out the bad ones. We lose good teachers who can't
afford to make the little that Utah pays.
Air quality must improve! | 3:42 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
I am a Republican and I applaud the governor for his concern for air quality. If
Huntsman can get the legislature to make progress on those issues, he has my
vote. My mom has asthma and it pains me to see her suffer every year from our
bad air quality. The temperature inversions are not going away, so we have to do
something about the pollution. I like the idea of more stringent emissions
standards. I think all Utahns can care about the environment, not just the
liberal democrats. The governor knows that air quality is also an economic
issue. It affects tourism and economic development.
state man | 7:43 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
reality-check out your figures. I got mine from the November 9th story.
They're asking for a 7.7% raise. That's quite different than $10 a
day, quite a bit more. A check for over $12,000 for 45 days in session is quite
a check. I'm sure state employees and teachers could really use that kind
of money. The figures speak for themselves. It's time for Utah citizens to
stand up for themselves and make the legislators accountable for the money they
are giving themselves for serving us. $12,000 for 45 days is more than teachers
get for 1/3 of the year they work. Prioritize where we spend.
to UhhHuh | 9:56 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
lackadaisical- adj. lazy; indolent; listless. I certainly hope you're
describing the months, NOT the teachers!
Let's give a little real-world twist to your idea, shall we? A Masters degree at the U is a minimum of 36 semester hours, usually spread across 6 semesters, not one summer, or even two... 6 semesters, 6 units each, at the current rate of $1449.14/6-credit semester = $8694.84, plus books, so let's say an even $10,000. Oh, by the way, this all comes out of the teacher's pocket.
To pay the student loan, let's assume a prime rate loan (7.5%), repaid over 48 months. That is a $242/month payment. Oops, interest would have accrued during the 2 years of grad school, so, really, the loan repayment would probably take an additional three to six months. The MEd salary increase in Granite School District is $3604/year, or $300.41/month gross. (about $225/month net, so less than the loan payment).
So, when all is said and done, the teacher will finally realize their raise in about 7 years. Lastly, teachers in Granite receive NO pay increases after 20 years, unless the state WPU goes up. Those last 10 years before retirement are kinda' rough!
Let's give a little real-world twist to your idea, shall we? A Masters degree at the U is a minimum of 36 semester hours, usually spread across 6 semesters, not one summer, or even two... 6 semesters, 6 units each, at the current rate of $1449.14/6-credit semester = $8694.84, plus books, so let's say an even $10,000. Oh, by the way, this all comes out of the teacher's pocket.
To pay the student loan, let's assume a prime rate loan (7.5%), repaid over 48 months. That is a $242/month payment. Oops, interest would have accrued during the 2 years of grad school, so, really, the loan repayment would probably take an additional three to six months. The MEd salary increase in Granite School District is $3604/year, or $300.41/month gross. (about $225/month net, so less than the loan payment).
So, when all is said and done, the teacher will finally realize their raise in about 7 years. Lastly, teachers in Granite receive NO pay increases after 20 years, unless the state WPU goes up. Those last 10 years before retirement are kinda' rough!
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