An on-side kick when the team is ahead by 50 points to zilcho is not
"guaranteeing a win,"it's a shameless exhibition of low behavior and an
embarassement to anyone with any class whatsoever.Fire the coach and
recruit somebody with class (I'd look in the Midwest somewhere)
You whiners from Utah and BYU. At least you get wins to crow about, or against,
with each other.
It has been nearly a week and I still don't see why guaranteeing a win is
"classless" like so many infer in these comments. I don't like Kyle being
unsportsmanlike (which he was), I still wish him luck however. Let's be cool
about how we win games and not act like it is the first time we have been ahead
in a game. I think the way the Utes responded to the guarantee shows the
inferiority complex that I noticed while attending the U. Go Utes. Act like
you should, the top class university that you are.
"Trick Play?"Situations don't make the man - they reveal him.And what has been revealed is another reason why people view Utahns as
plastic.I'm surprised he didn't grab the ball and go home.
You guys are the worst, seriously. You as a sports culture and self rightoeus
people are more competitive than anyone but you try to pull out the red flags
and say what should have been done. It was one stupid onsides kick, stop making
such a big deal about it. Everyone laughs at you all over the country cause
this stuff is normal. It's football folks! The Utes are playing hard and
pulling out what they can to do well and have fun. I think the classless thing
is the star wars milking the cow cheer and gesture you do when you're on
defense. That's aweful!
It was as classy and incredible as anything. Why should trick plays be limited
to the weak teams that aren't good enough to execute them anyways? They
shouldn't be a last chance haven't-got-a-prayer kind of a thing. Let's practice
them against real teams, and they'll be effective when we need them.
Typical cheap-shot Utah football tactic.
Onside kicks are a typical maneuver in Utah football.They rely on
plastic rather than substance.
PLEASE! Had Coach Whit took it easy on WY, and had WY made a comeback, then
everybody would've been asking for his head saying that a good coach would've
made certain that the game was in hand before letting up! This was the same
team that badly beat VA who is leading the ACC. If you don't think that they
could've made a comeback in the 3rd quarter, then you are the one that is
disrespecting WY! An onside kick is a low percentage play that
courts extreme risk in that the opposing team ends up with excellent field
position. It is only used when a coach is desperate or very sure that he can
make the play. Auburn's coach used it against SC last year while beating SC.
Spurrier was very impressed, and gave a nod of approval to the Auburn coach for
having burned him. It did not work for the Utes, and gave WY one of their best
shots at scoring the whole game. This was no different than any of
the other trick plays used against WY. I think the offense should've shown no
let up until the 4th when it was impossible to comeback!
Was it the correct thing to do? That is debateable. I wouldn't have done it.
I am glad the Wyoming coach was punished for his gesture. My question is why
Utah struggles to fill or even get close to filling their stadium for home
games? Come on ute fans, if you are so die hard GO TO THE GAMES!! I
dislike Wyoming almost as much as I dislike the U, and I am predicting that the
Cougs will win out and finish in the top 25. Predictions:BYU
31 Wyoming 10BYU 24 Utah 17BYU 38 San Diego 10GO COUGS!!!
"Whittingham regrets the onside kick."I wonder how many Ute fans regret
having him as coach. If you want a class act as a coach - you might think about
looking in the Midwest for a good coach.
An on-side kick when the game is clearly won, is the same as a sucker punch.Nothing go be proud of Utahns.
My dear Kyle,Please have mercy on us, the holier-than-thou people of the
school down south. Don't kick our hineys like you did Wyoming's. We promise to
lose in San Diego after the Holy War to let your share the title if your don't
pull out the onside when you're killing us 73-3.Love,Bronchitis
Please have mercy on us, the holier-than-thou people of the school down south.
Don't kick our hineys like you did Wyoming's. We promise to lose in San Diego
after the Holy War to let your share the title if your don't pull out the onside
when you're killing us 73-3.
Uh, GRider,A lot of us don't exactly see an on-side kick as "going for the
jugular."Sort of a wimpy thing to do, actually.
I want to see a coach go for the jugular and attack at every opportunity, every
game, every play. Fact of the matter...Utah won another game and
will win the next three (counting the bowl game).I want Whittingham,
Andersen and Ludwig to go for the jugular all the time the Utes are playing.
Never quit until the whistle blows at the end of the game regardless of the
Whittingham should have spent some time in parochial school like Urbin
Meyers did.It might have given him some degree of class and dignity.
I personally love all the "class" comments coming from BYU fans and how Bronco
would have never done this. How about throwing an 18 yard TD pass with your
starting QB (ok, ok it was Jason Beck not John Beck and I am not sure there was
a back up to the back up) with 2 minutes left in the GAME to your STARTING tight
end Johnny Harline to make the score 38-0? By the way, that school was another
in-state institution, Utah State. Running up the score? Classless? Thanks for
the example Bronco and BYU. All class. The flagship of the conference.....LOL.
OK. We've beat this horse dead. Now let's just leave it to all those cougar
fans with their fake outrage and their self-congratulatory hubris while the rest
of us turn our attention to what is REALLY important...the 7-3 (4-2) New Mexico
Lobos will be visiting us this weekend. We're still jockeying for position in
the MWC, and these guys aren't going to roll over for us like the Cowboys did.
They're playing some good football.GO UTES!!!
Coach Whitt only apologized after his wife got on hit tale. Good thing coach
married a good woman.
50 to 0. Perhaps it was a good thing I was unable to watch the game. A game
were good sportsmanship was not exhibited by the hosts, albeit following some
poorly timed remarks guaranteeing victory by Wyoming's coach prior to the game.
The otherwise decisive win by the Utes was overshadowed by the Utes aggressive
play once the early lead would have normally required a little civility.
Granted it is difficult to tell even your second and third stringers to hold
back, as the Utes attempted in most part in the second half. However the damage
was done, and now a good win is tarnished and what little good graces gained
after turning around their season has vanished. Wyoming may have deserved to be
beaten on the field, but did not deserve to be humiliated, regardless of the
their couches comments.
for giving us something to fuss about this week. The byu and utah game isnt
until next week and we dont want to waste all the smack talk this week. Now that
we have something for everyone to talk about we can save all the good stuff for
the big show.
This whole thing is not about BYU VS UTAH it is about a coach doing something
stupid period. I have been a high school coach for 18 years what Coach Whit did
was simply wrong and to defend it makes you that are look stupid. Leave your
red eyes at the door and just say it was stupid and move on.
I watched the Utah game, and I thought it was a classless act, but the most
classless thing about it is that BYU fans and not Wyoming fans are unable to
forgive and let go. It's not really classy to generalize an entire fan base and
school based on the actions of a few. Let it go. KW apologized. What more do
you expect? Go Cougs! Beat those Utes in 2 weeks!
There is only one thing that I am getting by all of this controversy. BYU is
afraid, very afraid (of the DARKSIDE). Let's have a repeat performance this week
and get another W against New Mexico.GO UTES!
Way to go Coach K.W!! The real side of you finally comes out !!
I think most people are missing the point in my opinion. I don't think Whitt
ran the score up. They only scored 10 points in the second half. What Whitt
did was classes and embarassing. I think it is a lot worse than just running
the score up.
Wow, BYU fans are just in here crying, trying to make Witt look bad so they can
make themselves believe they have the better coach, well forget about it you are
stuck with the second hand trash. Witt chose the classier program, and also the
more successful program that has dominated BYU over the years.
Please excuse my football ignorance maybe someone can help me out...when a
hand-off is faked, isn't that a form of a trick play? When the offense huddles
and calls a play, are they not trying to figure out how best to move the ball
down the field without letting the opposing defense know what they are going to
do? Is that not a form of trickery? If BUY fans pride themselves in not having
trick plays, why doesn't their offense announce to the defense what they are
going to do and then see if they are good enough to execute successfully? A flea-flicker or hook and ladder are very entertaining plays to watch
and demonstrate confidence and a willingness to take a risk. Let's face it,
folks, if BYU had such plays in their play book, they would be talking like it
is the greatest thing since sliced bread because that's what BYU fans do. BYU
doesn't have them, they can't execute them, and therefore, their fans who
espouse only what their institution says is ok, don't like them.
Hey byu guys (and other self righteous posters), better check out your own
closets before chucking too many more rocks... Remember, what would Jesus do?
You wanna talk about crying...John Beck two years ago. Now that's weak! haha.
He's a baby. Not even tough enough to start on a team that's 0-8. Go Utes. I
hate BYU and always will. And not to mention crying let's talk about
criminals...now that's not very classy on BYU's part. Honor code doesn't even
exist for football players.
Coach Kyle made a poor mistake and he admitted it. Was he put up to the apology?
That we don't know for sure. He is a good coach and he's definitely proved it
this year. I thought the Utes wouldn't win more than 5-6 games after all of
their injuries. But Kyle has done a tremendous job up there. The on-sides kick
was ridiculous though. Being up 43-0 and going for it there? I would've given
him the double bird. It really was classless and he knows it. He still is an
excellent coach by ripping off six in a row like they have. They do have real
good talent and despite the record in '06 you knew that Utah's A-team would
compete against BYU. I see another great game in LES and I'm curious as to how
Vegas will pick this one. Right now, they may give Utah a 3.5 advantage but BYU
will end up being picked to win by 3 1/2 points. Can't wait for the game. GO
I am amazed at how many BYU fanatics are commenting on a Utah-Wyoming game and
attacking the character of the Utah coach. Sounds like fear, with maybe some
hatred thrown in. Not even close to what BYU represents itself to be. Maybe BYU
is not what it represents itself to be. A BYU friend recently told me he thinks
everyone hates BYU because once upon a time they had some really good teams.
Not true. Many teams have dominated and been respected. Just read the comments
above for a hint at the real reason.
Actually 20 yard line 5 row season ticket holder for 20 years baby. Love it,
I'm jacked for the game on the 24th. Best rivalry in the country.
Went to Byu, graduated from UofU, read all these posts. I root for both teams
unless they play each other. The "classless" ones, the ones that I have lost
respect for are all the BYU fans on this post who have ridiculed and denigrated
and made the incredibly childish, tasteless and totally stupid remarks. It's
just a football game and somehow I had higher expectations of BYU fans-
particularly given your religious affiliation. To say I am disappointed doesn't
begin to cover it. I enjoy a good football game- but that's just it- it's ONLY a
game!!! The fate of the free world doesn't rest on it's outcome!
from Hey BYU Fans: "Isn't Coach Whitt an ALUM of your school? Isn't he alum of
the BYU football program? Isn't he member of your church??"Uh, yeah
you're right on all those points. He used to be a pretty good guy. WHAT IN THE
WORLD DID U GUYS DO TO HIM??! Now it's going to take years for us to reform him
after he joins Bronco's staff as the D coordinator, thanks a bunch.
Please be patient with me (I am new to American football).According
to football etiquette, what is an acceptable margin of victory?If a
team is ahead by 3 points would it be good etiquette to punt or fall on a knee
when it was your teams turn to run or play catch with the ball? Like
in boxing, is it possible for the losing team to throw in the towel so that the
team that is ahead wont try to score any more points? Was the towel thrown onto
the field so no come back would be possible?Please clarifyI thought
it was a good idea to make goals? The great American pastime is so confusing.
you guys feel threatened. utah is playing better football than byu. there is
less than 2 weeks until the big game. deny it allllll you want. but in your
heart of hearts, everyone single one of you kewg heads are scared about the
24th. you will talk big up until kickoff. thats what you guys do best. talk
big. but your big time talking, your fasting, and your praying will NOT help you
this year. good luck passing against the best secondary in the MWC. good luck
trying to stop the leading RB in the conference. good luck trying to stop the U
receivers, when you have one of the worst secondaries in the conference. and
last, but not least, i wish max hall good luck with the likes of stevenson
sylvester, steve tate, sean smith, robert johnson, joe jianoni, GABE LONG, and
nai fotu coming at him all day long ;) good luck players and fans alike. lets
see if good 'ol bronco can keep his finger down when utah is doing onside kicks
in the 3rd quarter while pitching another blowout shutout
I don't get all the cougar ire over the trick plays in the Utah game. Please some "fully invested" cougar help me understand why scoring via a
gadget play is less respectful than scoring via a standard running or passing
play?It's not as if the fumbleruski or the reverse or the
flea-flicker or the hook and ladder comes with some kind of guarantee.If they did, everyone would be using them. Even the unimaginitive (but as
we're constantly being told) 'classy' Bronco Mendenhall.
Gene -- you are an alumnus, not an alumni. But they probably didn't teach you
that @ the U... Btw, would be interested to know in what emotion
Coach K.W. was caught up to persuade him to make the onside-kick call... I think
he deserved the finger, er gesture.
Wyoming is already the worst place in the conference to play. Now the Utes can
look forward to next year at Wyoming. Talk about bulletin board material the
Cowboys will be hungry. I predict now Witt's little hissy fit costs the Utes a
game. Maybe not to Wyoming but maybe to a key injury by an angry cowboy with a
The end result is that Utah and Willingham has lost some respect from fans and
coaches in the conference. Now, he has his players all jacked up to play New
Mexico and especially BYU. That is exactly what he wants.BYU better
watch out in two weeks. Utah has been the underdog several times vs BYU yet
they still seem to rise up and beat them.If BYU has the conference
championship basically locked up in 2 weeks do you think they will be as
motivated as Utah to dominate the game? I doubt it.Better be
All the fans of the little brother in red can defend Kryle all they want but he
defended his actions as heat of the situation. Come on, what heat?? Wyo was
beat like an ugly step child and the game was over. There was no "heat" in the
game when he called for the onside kick. Don't try to compare it to running
your offense and scoring a touchdown either. This was a blantant attempt to
embarrass the pokes!Anyone who keeps scoring and says, if you don't like
it stop us - I have no problem with that. Though the classy thing is to hold
the score down. In this situation, this is not running the offense. It was
childish 5 year old behavior and Glenn's gesture was as bad or worse. Kryle's
behavior is being criticized nationwide. His behavior is an embarrassment to
good sportsmanship -which is what he should be teaching his players and we
should all be teaching our youth. I am troubled by any fan of the little
brother in red who is also not embarrassed by his actions. Please, stand for
something! Is this really a lesson you want you child to learn?
All the who-tah fans telling the "zoobies" to get off this "board" are
laughable! Get off THEIR board? This is a NEWSPAPER not a membership board.
Hahahahaha! How absolutely hilarious!!I don't think Kyle's apology
was sincere at all. And all the who-tah fans justifying his actions are a joke.
So coach Kyle was just "practicing" an on-side kick? I guess that means Coach
Glenn was only telling coach Kyle that he missed it by 1 yard.So now
all the yoots think that BYU is doomed against the little brothers up north
(BUNs) come Nov 24? You mean like you thought we were doomed against TCU after
they beat UNM 37-0? Uh-huh...
I would have done as Wyoming's coach did. It looks like the team most hated in
the MWC is Utah, not because they the best, but because they are jerks.
Kyle Whittingham is a stand-up coach and individual; I am proud to have him on
our side. It's clear all you Zoobsters posting are freakin' out
about the 24th (nothing personal, but I would be too if I were you.) Just some
friendly advice regarding your posts: Quit. You look pretty silly condemning
Coach Whit after he apologized. The holier-than-thou line is getting pretty
tired.Keep it up Coach. Go UTES!
The only thing I seem to remember about BYU and the yewts is Beck to Harline, no
time left. I loved watching twittingham cry like a little girl. Prediction:
Cougs - 56 yewts - 0
I have no problem with running up the score, or teams that win by 50 points.
However I don't recall a blowout that included an onside kick with the score
43-0. It was a bad call they should have punted the ball and won the game 43-0.
We can lose two games, one of them to Wyoming, and still be in the top 25 BCS
rankings and be talking about a national championship and a real bowl game with
a real payout. Utah can beat Wyoming by 50 points and all you can talk about is
an onside kick and the Poinsetta bowl. Pathetic! Go Hoos (UVa for those of you
in the West who don't follow real football teams)!!
Get off it.Racial slur. Then all of the posts from the Ute fans are
Speciesist Slurs...Over the top or what?
Like that's ever happend to you...I've been to 10+ BYU Utah games at
LES, never seen a Ute Fan walk out with Popcorn and Soda Dumped on them.You must be thinking of RES.But if you will post
your seat number and wear your red sweatshirt...(serious, I'll bet
"be afraid" has never ponied up for anything but the cheap student section
Who cares! Utah is now tied for 4th natinally -defense(pts. allowed/game) and
8th passing defense. Way to go Whit!!!
Attention all BYU fans...Wyoming 6th ranked defense in the country gets
beaten 50-0!!!Utah vs #11 UCLA 44-6 UTES victoryBYU your strength of
schedule fails in comparison to the UTES.We're hot baby, and were hungry
for some religion. Realize that if the Utes play like they did agaisnt Wyoming
and UCLA, you have NO CHANCE!!! and you know it...youre scared. I cant wait to
win at LaVell Edwards Stadium, and then your fans can dump popcorn and soda all
over us classless Ute fans like you usually do!!!
Coming from a big Cougar fan...If I spend a ton of money on tickets,
parking, gas, and Caffeine Free Diet Coke, and Utah is up 60-0 for the BYU Bowl,
and I stay, knowing that the traffic is going to suck, and Kyle or Bronco just
let the air out of the ball, I'm gonna flip them both off.It's a
game, and if either team quits, that will be classless.
A posting from this morning is the pits. Read this:Classless | 6:49
a.m. Nov. 12, 2007 Whittingham - classless? Yewts - classless? I never
knew. And by the way, why does it take a guarantee from the other team to
motivate the yewts? This posting is classless; disrespectful;
insensitive; and a racial slur. There is no honorable reason to refer to Utes
as YEWTS. Even in this case, when not directly referring to the aboriginal
group, but to a school's sports' nickname it is highly offensive and
disrespectful. Maybe that's what you intended. I am disappointed
this newspaper continues to post this person's work.
I find it laughable all the Ute fans who questioned BYU and their high scoring
wins. And now they are defending their own win which took many trick plays
including a late onside kick. Why would we be "jealous", we're in sole
possession of 1st place in the MWC?
Right on point, to: All BYU Posters. Team character is a reflection of
leadership. The arrests and suspensions are a black eye to everything BYU
stands for and are very telling of the underlying integrity of their program.
As is so typical of BYU and its goofy fans, as long as they win a football game,
they will thump their chest and tell you how great they are.
I can't believe what I am reading! All of this touchy feely garbage makes me
sick. Why is it that we are so afraid of winning anymore? We have been brow
beaten for so long by a generation of "picked last" kids grown into adults that
we think winning is a bad thing. Bag that! Win! How do you get points in
the BCS if you are not the select few? You win by HUGE margins and your rank
goes up. I say win big or let someone else play that wants to win. Those
people who are afraid of competition should form book clubs, shut up, and let
the rest of us have a good drag out knock down on the gridiron!
Just a couple of points. You can always excuse a player for making
inappropriate remarks but for a seasoned couch to garantee a victory - what a
mistake!I seem to remember several years ago BYU winning games by
50+ to zero - BYU fans didn't seem to think that was running up the score even
though they kept passing the ball. I think BYU fans are just jealous!!! However, the biggest ones lacking class are BYU fans posting on a
University of Utah story. Coug fans post on your own stories!!!GO
The invitation to add a comment says:"Comments are monitored. Any comments
found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic, misrepresentative, more than 200 word
or containing URLs will not be posted."Well, this site is guilty of four
of the five no-no's! But I'll bet you this; This post won't make it!
If the utes were that upset over the guarantee just think what they would be
saying if they were on the other side of this. Just remember Witt, it is like
you said, you are held accountable. Remember that when you get fired.
Was it also classy when BYU basketball Coach Reed told Chris Burgess that he'd
be letting down the Mormon population if he didnt come play at BYU? Is it
classy that BYU ran the score up on the Utes for years? Dont throw stones if
you live in a glass house people. Is it classy for a coach to give the finger
to a crowd, team and STATE. Challenge: BYU run up the score on the Cowboys and
finish it, you certainly are capable. Why you ask? Well any Utah or BYU fan
whos ever met a Cowboy fan knows how classy they are. I got spit on one year by
a Cowboy fan, but then again I had soda and popcorn dumped on my head 2 years
ago when the Utes beat the Cougs in Provo at LES. What is class Cougars?
What is ever one whining about. These teams are geared up to play 60 minutes of
football and anything less is a disappointment to us fans that go to watch that
60 minutes of football and those players that dedicate COUNTLESS hours to play
their 60 minutes a week. I thought the on -sides kick was truly sportsmanlike.
It gave Wyoming the best field position they had all game!!!! Thank you Utah for
the funnest game I have watched all year! Go Utah and keep pounding them!!!
Maybe Whittingham is classless. Look who he learned from, Lavell Edwards, the
King of running up the score.Who can tell the number of times
Edwards was still passing the ball well into the 4th quarter when his team was
up by 3, 4 or more touchdowns? It happened ALL THE TIME.How about
bringing your QB back into the game against Utah to throw a few more passes so
he can break a record. At least Whittingham didn't put Mack back in just so he
could keep his streak of 100 yard games going.
LOL I only had to read the first 4 comments and I'm already disgusted. It's
always Wyoming's fault. Great to know we have so much love from our neighbors
to the southwest. Get over yourselves Utah.Wyoming is better in
every way, and that's why you're so "butt-hurt" all the time.
Perhaps some history might help us armchair football coaches gain some
perspective...I sat in the North end zone when Scott Mitchell and the Utes
hosted Air Force. At half time the score was Air Force 7, Utah 45. In 2
quarters, Mitchell had thrown for approximately 500 yards. Utah lost that game
49 to 45. Mitchell finished with around 520 yards. This is college
football people; a team does not let up until victory, if that is in fact the
objective, is complete. The opposing team's objective is to stop them. Seems
to me that coach Witt came away from Saturday's game knowing the Utes need to
work on executing the on-side kick. As for the decision...offering an opponent
excellent field position on a kickoff is a big risk to take and, in my opinion,
does not by itself translate to "classless" as so many suggest. The U-Defense
is now 10 quarters without giving up a touchdown. The team is confident,
executing in all critical aspects of the game, and seem to be having fun again.
Congratulations Coach Wittingham on a job well done!
You want to know what's not classy? All your athletes getting arrested and
quitting the team and being suspended...etc, etc, etc. It's been happening much
more than any Ute players as of late. Look on the inner man before you go
trashing Kyle for an onsides kick. This conference and fans will never get past
the Mountain West mediocre mentality if they think trick plays and on sides
kicks are a big deal. Take that to any other big conference and they'd laugh at
you, than walk all over you. Get with it zoobies!! go utes!!
I thought this was Division 1 football?Kyle is responsible for the
program at the University of Utah, and no other program. Sorry if it offends
some of you, but football is a sport of ONE HUNDRED PERCENT EFFORT from every
member of the organization until graduation.Bronco sat on the ball
against TCU to prevent a fumble. By taking the knee, the cougars insured the
victory. John Robinson (UNLV) allowed his players to talk him into going for a
touchdown from inches out with no time left a few years back, the RB was
stripped of the ball and it was run all the way in by the other team for the
winning TD.Classy for Kyle to apologize, but he didn't need to for
my sake, or any other adult male over eighteen years old. Same with coach Glenn,
I'd have flipped Kyle off too, but coach Glenn is responsible for Wyomings
program.If you allow your team to back off (many do... SMU Holiday
Bowl?) it can come back to bite you, and that isn't fair to your team or the
fans.Do the cougars need to apologize now for Thrashing the Utes in
When I read the article, my first response was this; thats just good ole classic
utah. And he did it because he knew his fans would love it. I sat next to a Ute
fan on a plane once on the way home from a BYU game this year, and he came off
with that exact same stentch, the stentch of arrogance and pride. He said the
Utes will beat the cougars 50 - 14 this year. Wow, nice call buddy and nice call
Whittingham your living up to the expectations of your trashy fans.
I have to laugh at all you "coaches", "parents of players" and "previously proud
Kyle supporters" that are wagging your fingers at the Utes. Some of your
comments are hillarious....."I won't recommend my son for the program"......"I
won't recommend my players for the program".Kyle is a very good coach. He
is a very good role model; ask any player on his team, most of them love him
like a second father. News flash: you're dumping on an entire football program
and coaching staff because of ONE (failed I might add) onside kick. That tells
me a lot about you "fans". Most likely you are all Y fans that are scared to
death for the 24th or you are Wyoming fans ashamed at how your team played
(gotta tell you, I felt for you guys).Either way, quit with the holier
than thou talk, its getting old.
As a fan, I have travelled to Wyoming for games, where the crowd was chanting F
you Utah. I was also spit on after the game by Wyoming fans, same sort of thing
when Cowboy fans come up here. I'm sure they show BYU fans the same resentment.
Believe it or not they just hate the state of Utah and BYU fans should focus on
the game ahead and finish the shallacking the Utes just gave the Cowboys,
because they certainly are capable. Let us all show a little class by running
up the score on a classless team with a classless program and a classless coach
who runs his mouth and then gets the worst beatdown hes ever recieved and gives
the middle finger and K Witt is called the classless one. I say Cougs run up
the score too.
At what point did competition turn Politically Correct? If you beat another
team 150 to 10, maybe that just means the other team needs to go back home and
practice a little harder!! Why should one team feel bad for beating their
competition? Wyoming, you got beat! Get over it!Go Cougars!!
Let's move forward BYU fans. WWJD? Remember Cougars, don't throw stones if you
live in a glass house.
Hey Zoobies - get over it - what does BYU have to do with this game
anyway...leave it up to all of the red-necks from Cowboy country to whine about
Utah riding them into the ground like a rodeo cowboy riding a wild horse into
the ground.Utes are the hottest team in the MWC - even if it took
them 3 or 4 games to get it going. Zoobies beware, once we spank the lowly
Lobos, you're next....and I will be hoping that we DO run up the score on you.
Once again, Kyle gives us another reason to be grateful that he is at Utah.Whitless was classless.
Isn't Coach Whitt an ALUM of your school? Isn't he alum of the BYU football
program? Isn't he member of your church?? I guess i could say with all the other
bull crap i have hurd today from this matter that coach Whitt decesion to do a
onsides kick has reflection on you guys since he played for you all, but it
doesnt.. I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine "Zoobies"... Doesn't
the scriptures teach he with sin among you let him cast the first stone.. KEEP
on throwing those stones and WHITT you "zoobies" I'm not here to argue whether
what he did was classy or not.. But i know one thing Kyle admitted he was
wrong... So quit throwing stones at him.. Because i know that the mormon faith
teacher forgivness.. Isnt that what your about BYU?
Classy coaches do classy things. Witt and Glenn deserve one another.
I'm sorry you'd step into your son's life and decide that he couldn't attend the
U. No doubt you sleep in BYU blanket (the old color before they stole Utah
State's colors) Don't use this board as troll please. If you want to pretend be
obvious and so over the top sarcastic we can get a good laugh. Trying to fool
us into thinking you were ever partial is not shall we say "classy"
Good job on the Poinsettia Bowl.
Who really cares about byu fooball----and by the way , I really don't think that
you fans really want to air BYU's dirty classless laundry
Utah Man you are right, Coach Witt have said he made a poor judgement...so all
of you who wants to sacrifice coach Witt, please get a life! Utes are on to New
Mexico, the game was last weekend, I believed that he wanted to run the score
and onside kick and all of the above, and he really made a bad judgement,but
life goes on, we all make mistakes one way or another, each of us have our own
Goliath and it depends from how you are willing to face your Goliath, which
brings me to my next subject..Y in 2 weeks, Utes will have a Goliath with XXXXL
and a Mt. to climb.....watch out the Cougars are coming.
After reading all of these posts, all I have to say is "Shame on you!". Who am I speaking to? The majority of the childish BYU & Utah fans that
are posting here. Come on, get a GRIP! Grow up! I can't believe the comments
that many/most of you are making. To the 10% who make logical, good posts,
please disregard this message. To the rest of you, get a life! (and go
The Utes rule!! We have clearly proven that we are the hottest team in the
league, even after losing several of our key players at the beginning of the
year. We have had big momentum and we'll certainly qualify for another bowl bid
this year. And of course, we will win that bowl, as we have in all of the last
bowls we went to, unlike some loser school down south who has only won one bowl
game in the last decade. That said, however, Whit has me perplexed; his latest
antics with running all of the trick plays including an onside kick were totally
uncalled for--not even BYU does that kind of stuff. This was embarrassing to
the Ute faithful. If we are to build a legacy on the hill like BYU has, then we
need to watch our actions and stand for something other than poor sportsmanship.
Onward to battle with New Mexico!!!
I have a serious problem with the BYU and Wyoming cry babies that have no clue
about what class is. I am a big BYU fan and see nothing but smart coaching from
Whittingham. As a tennis coach I encourage my players to become more aggressive
and practice different styles of play when they are way up in a match. Why not
practice an on-side kick when you have nothing to lose in a real game time
situation. Those that know anything about football would know that an on-side
kick heavily favors the opponent. Why anyone from Wyoming would be opposed to
that is just not logical, unless they consider themselves an extremely inferior
team that can't handle an opportunity that would provide them with better field
position. I have no doubt that the BYU and Utah coaching staff and players
would have no problem with how Utah played the entire game. I just hope that
BYU coaches show the same sense that Utah showed when they play Wyoming on
I have been a huge supporter of Kyle on this site all season long, but after the
display of childish behavior on saturday I am off. I am frankly very
dissapointed. Kyle has been around long enough to know that what goes around
comes around. The game in wyoming last year wasnt 40-0 at half. It was almost
half that. The utes should have eaten clock. I am dissapointed, and I thought
Kyle had more class than that. If my son were being recruited by the Utes, they
would no longer be a consideration. The Utes lose alot of seniors this year,
good luck getting anybody to feal sorry for you next year. Saturday morning I
hoped the Utes would win out, by saturday night I hoped they would lose the last
2. Kyle, its going to take alot to win back the trust of alot of people.
Good victory Utah and congrats to Kyle. Next time your up by a good margin you
probably won't try an onsides kick. Point taken. I disagree with
Kyle's decision but far worse in my book is the single finger salute by
Wyoming's coach. That is classless. Kyle's decision was just a poor decision.
I don't see people up in arms over Wyoming's coach's decision.Kyle
is a great person and turning into a great coach. Utah has a good team and
should be congratulated on a great season. And I am a BYU fan, just trying to
be objective. And I dont hate Utah, I even cheer for them on many occasions.
Their success helps the MWC and helps the Y. Like it or not.
Holding back on a team when they are down is just as much a slap in the face as
is running up the score.Whittingham should have had his starters
play their best for the first half - hold nothing back and leave it all on the
field - then systematically put in young players to give them experience and use
the second half as an opportunity to build for the future - again, coaching his
subs to give it all you've got and leave it all on the field!That is
the classy thing to do. Win!
I love how horrible people are towards coaches. Win or lose It is a hateful
society..It makes me wonder if sports brings out the best in us or the worst in
us. Youser. I am amazed
I am amazed at how many cougars feel they need to show how much better they are
than everybody else. They have run up the score on countless teams over the
years.Think of it this way. Is it better to OD on illegal drugs or
on prescription meds? Either way you are dead. Is it better to run
up the score by constantly throwing touchdown passes when the game is out of
hand or by kicking on onside kick when the other team is not expecting it?
Either way, you ran up the score. Fact of the Day, there is nothing
wrong with running up the score in DIV IA football. This is not little league
anymore. Do it however you like. Just don't attack one team for doing it
differently than your team does it. Because no one likes a hypocrite. Coaches
are not paid to make others feel good about themselves, they are paid to win.
Perhaps the childish behavior is thinking that only Whittingham does it.
What Whittingham did was not classless. But it calls into question his
intentions. Imagine how Mendenhall would be precieved by the Utes and their fans
if BYU was up by 30 or 40 and the same thing occured?And why is what
Coach Glenn considered disrepectful by giving into a fan and predicting a win at
Utah?Saturday's game was big for both Utah and Wyoming. Wyo has hit the
skids as of late and beating a good Utah team would put some fire back into a
struggling team. As for his flipping Kyle off for the onside?That was
classless.And what right does Utah or its fans think Wyo was the
instigator over the bad feelings that came out of last year's game. Utah played
just plain lousey. Or doesn't that count for something???And
speaking of disrepectful? Remember when John Beck excitedly exclaimed to the
Cougar faithful about going up to SL and beating the utes? If I remember
correctly, the Ute faithful considered that disrepectful, even considered his
comments a prediction?But he backed it up, even personally.And how many predictions have we heard about a guarenteed victory over BYU,
weeks before the game?Hypocrites!!!!!!
Wow what a display of childish behavior, kind of like Whit's little melt-down at
the end of the "Caught for the Touchdown!" game last year.Ute fans
must be so proud!
To Realistic Y fan - Your argument makes no sense. BYU's game plan is to pass.
Great. Everyone knows that. But when the game is put away, do you change the
game plan a little to run the clock down? Answer however you would like. If I
take your argument, then Utah just followed its game plan. They had two weeks of
preparation and came into the game knowing they would be running trick plays
and, yes, even an onside kick. So you are now attacking that team for running
their game plan. Can you honestly tell yourself that last year, when BYU was
leading Utah State 31-0 with 2 minutes left in the fourth quarter, that it was
classy to have Jo Beck throw a touchdown pass to Johnny Harline? Please realize
that it doesn't matter how you do it, running up the score is running up the
score. Maybe BYU thought USU would score 32 points in the last 2 minutes.
Whatever reason, they ran up the score!! I personally think if you are going to
play div I football, your job is to go out and win games, not make other people
feel good about losing games.
1-Who is to say that Wyo couldn't score 40 points in the second half and make it
a close game; remember the Buffalo and Houston game! The games wasn't over, and
it wasn't the fourth Q so anything could still happen.2-This was a
game situation were Kyle could see how his onside kicking game was coming along;
maybe Utah will have to use the onside kicking against NM or BYU, and so Kyle
was seeing how his players would respond to game-time situation.Bottom line is: Kyle could have put Mack back in the game during
the fourth Q just so he could pad his stats, but he didn't. Everyone and their
dog was playing in the fourth Q because Kyle had class and wasn't trying to run
up the score.As for the onside kick-Anything goes in football,
this isn't pee-wee football were kids cry.(Unless your Beck)PS I
remember many times when Beck/Harline/Brown were still in the game in the fourth
Q. when they were winning by more the 20+ points. How much class does Bronce
Thank you coach Witt for choosing the school that most closely reflects your
level (or lack thereof) of class. It appears that both schools got what they
It's a game! Bad sportsmanship is the blindside hit on Johnson by Wyoming after
the whistle, but hey no comments address that poor sportsmanship. Go Kyle,
please instill more discipline on you and the team and makes us forget Urban!
If you're in a position to win, then win big! Don't ever let up on any opponent,
keep coming at them until the losing team sees the Ute's in their nightmares for
the next 5 years. Way to go, Coach Whittingham, congrats on your win.
All you holier-than-thou poogers need to look at some history and realize that
your holy football prophet Lavell had a few nice "run up the score" games in the
late 80's. Also, it's usually the losing team or a rival fan that uses the term
"trick play", usually after being outplayed and out of position. Teams in the
NFL regularly use what could be considered "trick plays". This is FOOTBALL, not
a gentlemanly game of croquet. The teams are trying to decimate and hurt each
other. An argument against sticking it to your opponent is ridiculous! I only
hope Whittingham and the Utes "run it up" against the whimpy poogers! I'll
revel in their "gentlemanly disdain".
Coach Whitt can not win. What would you all be saying if Wyoming made a come
back and won. You would all be asking for his butt to get kicked out along with
his staff. Thanks for a great game coach! I will be in SLC for the New Mexico
game. P.S. Please save a few trick plays for the BROTHERS DOWN SOUTH.
Hilarious. The best part of the game was Joe Glenn's middle finger. I guess he
was letting Kyle know who's number one.Way to go, Kyle. Keep up the
I am glad that both coaches have been willing to express regret over doing
things in the heat of the moment that were simply not good sportsmanship.
Football is a game of emotion and it is difficult to turn it on and off like a
spigot.What I find sad are the teams who in fact "run up the score"
on inferior opponents and who never have a second thought about it. I'll take
these two coaches over them any day.
Interesting reading... With all that is going on in the world, it is nice to
have such "imporant" things as this to spend our time on. Also, being a BYU
fan, I find it sad that so many "BYU Fans" feel the need to make negative
comments. Give it a rest for a couple of weeks until the real fun begins.. I
for one enjoy the rivalry... Football would be boring without it.
Typical Utah bush league move by Whittingham and team. Not unexpected.See you in a couple of weeks.Harline is still open.
My cousin plays for the Utes so this is his insight. Now Utah can put down
that it won a game this year 50-0. That should look good in the media guide.
Other than that, pretty sub-par year. Lost the first game of the year
decisively. Lost to UNLV (27-0, I thought this was a typo when I first saw it!
I thought their year was done). Lost to a decent Air Force squad (will probably
end up #2 in the conference based on current standings). They have had a couple
of nice wins against UCLA and TCU. Kyle Whittingham is fighting for his
job. You can't get mad at a coach for running it up who might not even make it
to 2008. 50-0 looks a lot better on his resume than the 31-15 'calling the dogs
off win' that Wyoming had against our team a year ago. Give the guy a break as
he is fighting for his family's livelihood. Go Utes!
Since this is byU's newspaper I'm not suprised to see all of these comments.
However UTAH fans are here to keep our little brothers in line. Do you remember
Bronco running the score up last year against USU???...didn't think so. 2
minutes left in the game and byU does a play action for a 20 yard td pass to go
up by over 30 points. Oh that is right it is totally diffrent because bronco
can do that and Whitt can't try new things in the 3rd quater of game. Someone
please help realize the difference!!!
After reading these comments, it's clear that the only people rationalizing the
classless onside kick, are the classless Utes fans.
Hmmm... Let's consider the score so far:The anti-Wittingham Team -
128The pro-Wittingham Team - 8Seems likes the
anti-Wittingham Team has won this pointless debate, yet they just keep piling it
on. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were just running up the
score.Well, they probably just let their emotions get the better of
I have to laugh at those who think Bronco's taking a knee against TCU had
anything to do with class. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that
this was to ensure the victory. Running any play was risky. TCU could have run
back a fumble or intercepted a pass. To take any risk would have been stupid.
Bronco was just being smart.
Hey BYU fan, it's nice to see a cougar fan look at this without getting all
riled up. Why does everyone have to get so emotional about it? The Holy War will
be a good one this year. Can anyone tell me, what will happen if
(hypothetically)BYU and Utah both win their games this Saturday and Utah ends up
beating BYU? Would that cause a tie in the conference standings? Would Utah be
on top or would BYU still remain on top?
So Whit is classless because he "ran up the score" on Wyoming? So was Bronco
classless last year when he left Beck, Brown, Harline and other starters in the
Wyo game and called passing plays when BYU was up 41-0 in the fourth quarter. Is
it more classless to kick an onsides kick halfway through the third quarter up
by 43 than to leave starters in and throw the ball up by 41 in the fourth? Of
course Y fans will insist BYU was not classless because Bronco is "fully
invested" (a term Urban Meyer used at Utah four years before, by the way). Ever
think the onsides kick was done so the Utes could practice? Wouldn't you rather
have your team fail at an onsides kick up 43 in the third than with the game on
the line in the final minutes? Let's give this running up the score a rest! Utes
dominated and looked as good as they've looked since 2004.
I love the BYU fans on here. You guys are making this 50-0 drubbing even better
with your comments. I hope coach whit does it again next week, so I can hear,
"This is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. I had to cover my kids
eyes in the third quarter. I even had to comfort my wife and wipe away her tears
because she just couldn't understand how an onside kick could be run with the
score being up 43-0. She just kept sobbbing, 'Won't somebody think of the
cowboys. Will somebody please think of the cowboys". Keep em coming cougars. Its
like we have a big bunch of sissys inhabiting our state. I always wondered how
64,000 fans could make such little sound at Lavell Edwards stadium. Bingo, just
got my answer. On another note, BYU is still play great football and can't wait
to see the two best teams clash.Go UTES!!!
Personal does play well on live TV.Kyle, we expected more.He apologized, let's leave it at that and move on
If any of you watch ESPN, the same question came up about New England and I
believe that it was Tom Jackson that said he doesn't have a problem with running
up the score. If you don't like getting whipped that bad, then do something to
stop the bleeding. They couldn't do a thing against anyone from Utah. Go back to
the drawing board and start over Glenn. Maybe next year will be better for you.
There is only one way to react to the situation that everyone looks like they
are facing - If you don't like what is happening to you, then do something about
it.It's when you start to take your foot off the gas that players
and people get hurt because they aren't doing what many of us as parents and
coaches taught the kids from the time they were born - take plays off and don't
go hard. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The Wyoming
players and coaches should have put a stop to it, but as it stands, when they
did put their second string in the game to start the fourth, the FIRST TEAM
OFFENSE still couldn't score. Shame on you for not putting up a better fight
than you did.See you next year.
I'm not a fan of either team, but my Utah's coach has got to have more class.
If he regret's it apologize for it. If not to the coach fine, but to the
Wyoming players. He's supposed to be a leader of men, and an example, for all
athletes. His onside kick wasn't just getting back at the coach, it showed no
respect for the young men he was playing. The funny thing is, when I was a
player, an opposing coach ran a fake punt against us up by 30 in the 4th. Our
coach also gave him the bird. Some things are just universal reactions I guess.
Wow. Must be a rivalry game approaching. By the way, this isn't just a UU v.
BYU issue -- as pointed out, people saw the onside kick on cable outlets around
the country. Let me simplify this, Utes: you don't make national news unless
it's something a) really good or b) really bad. And I guarantee it wasn't the
50-0 blowout that made the game newsworthy.... By the way, did I
hear Whitt being compared to R. Lavell Edwards?!? Priceless!
it looks like byu fans only have that ammunition this week to trash talk about
the not so classy play calling of kyle whittingham, other than that, i bet it is
hard to accept how well they are playing right now
K Whit forgot what he learned at the Y about TRADITION, SPIRIT, and HONOR.
I'm glad people are starting to see Utah for what i know they are,
unsportmanlike bumbs who have to run up the score on anyone they can to make
themselves look good. I have never once respected the Utes, but I have given
them a chance. It's sad to say that the only way Utah can win is by doing trick
plays. Utah you need to get some class, in every sport you play.
A billion Chinamen could not care less. As an avid Ute fan, neither could I.What a nonissue.
Get off this comment board, Zoobies. Had your precious Cougars run up the
score, you would find nothing wrong with it. You are just threatened because
Utah is playing a lot better at this stage of the season than BYU. Only a 2
more weeks 'till you will see what I mean. Now go back to watching your Star
Wow!!! I love Cougar Nations enthusiasm when a subject dealing with moral issues
arise. Should he or shouldn't he have gone with the onside kick? The answer is
obvious, no. Is this grounds for questioning Kyle's ethics, not really. I would
consider Wyoming aside from BYU our next best conference rival. And with bad
blood already being in the water, that's what happened. So all you BYU fans take
it easy. Yes, we know you are glad that Bronco is your coach. And every
questionable thing that Kyle does just proves he wasn't the man for the BYU job.
Will anyone that cares about football remember this in a few weeks? Maybe
Wyoming but not no one else. Will Cougar fans continue to try and ride the
"ethical bus" on this one, of course. The battle between good and evil still
continues, right Y fans? That being said, being the evil Ute fan that I am, I
guarantee victory over the team from down south. I can't wait to see if Max Hall
has any tears in him. I hope this doesn't get back to the BYU locker room, I
would hate to give them any additional motivation.
Do you think coach Mendenhall would have pulled a stunt like that? Me neither.
What coach doesn't garentee a victory in their own prep rally? Are you that
stupid to think that they shouldn't do that. I was in a booth at the game as
well as on the field, and thought it was bush league to onside kick. As far as
last year's win over Utah, the score was 31-0 at half and ended up 31-16. Get
your facts strait, there was 6 minutes left in the third and the utes were up
43-0 when the utes onside kicked. The utes will get what is coming to them.
BYU leaves their starters in late in the fourth as well, when they are fortunate
not to be playing Tulsa or UCLA. I think that both teams are pukes.
I'm a BYU grad and fan who is trying hard but finding it difficult to get worked
up about this. After all, this was Wyoming they were playing. As much as I
dislike Utah and their fans, I can honestly say that Wyoming's fans are the most
classless individuals I've come across. I think it's the lack of oxygen or
something. Maybe they can only relate to sheep. If it had been BYU playing
Wyoming and had they done the same thing, I'd be laughing till I hurt.That said, the only thing that does bother me is according to Whit's own
comments, he lost control of his emotions and he ran the play out of spite, not
out of concern that Wyoming might come back or to work on some plays for the
future, like many comments suggest. It seems like a coach should demonstrate
more control than that.
It's hard not to compare Kyle's decision to onside kick when up 43-0 in the
third quarter to Bronco's decision 2 nights earlier to take a knee just 3 yards
from the end zone when only up by 5 at the end of the game. BYU's victory would
have looked much better if they had won by double-digits, but Bronco chose to
take the high road and teach his players a lesson in good sportsmanship. Utah
obviously was the better team against Wyoming and had already proven that; Kyle
could have taught good sportsmanship, but chose to let his emotions get the
better of him. I think that's unfortunate for his players who look to him as an
example.When people say this is just part of football, I don't buy
that! These college players are learning life-lessons from their coaches and I
for one would rather see these young men leave their college years as better
people, not just better players.
We sacrificed a lot for that win. Deserved or not, our coaches reputation is
now tainted, our program has less respect and we look like fools trying to cover
his butt. Strategy? Are you serious? It is stupid to reveal trick
plays when you are whipping somebody. It is better to surprise them than to
force them to prepare. This year has concerned me. It is obvious
our team is emotional. Coach is groping each week to find something to motivate
his team. This is a draining process and can't be kept up forever. I would
rather see him motivate our players to play without having to look for external
forces to do it. I worry about our next few games for these reasons.
The onside kick failed and Wyoming got the ball on the 40 yard line and failed
to do anything with it.It was a gift from Kyle and Wyoming just gave it
I love reading these articles when BYU and Utah are egging each other on like
kids in grade school. Everyone step back! As an outside observer you have more
to be upset about! BYU and UTAH could hang with anyone in the country right now
and if there was a playoff system in place they would have a real shot at doing
damage this year. These are 2 very good teams that could play with ANYONE. You
worry too much about beating each other up but I am sure any coach in the
country would not want to face either team right now!To settle the
debate re the Wyoming game: Wyoming is well expected to be classless so take
what they do with a grain of salt; BYU has always been expected to have class
and usually does; Utah should have had more class and had in all subs for game
experience and not been running trick plays. No one in the country
knows how good BYU and UTAH are. You really should be focusing your energies on
getting that message out! The MWC is a far tougher and unique conference than
people understand. MWC deserves better!
Kyle's IQ is about 80. He is whiner. He didn't do any knee jerk playcalling. He
was going to try to pile it on from the first whistle. He'll never be an Urban
Meyer, the guy just isn't that bright. "Yo Adrian" is what I think of when I
hear him speak.
This isn't a BYU/Utah issue!!!!. This is strictly a act by a coach who let his
emotions control him? right!!!! Face the facts, this was classless and a joke. I
can't believe I am going to admit this, But I am not longer a BYU hater, I am
now a UTAH hater. I will admit the coach Glenn showed some poor judgement for
his reponse to the on side kick, but coach Whittingham has no excuse for his
actions. He can say sorry all he wants, but the fact is it was wrong... You made
your point being up 40-0, but really come on.... I am embarrassed for the UofU
and for sportsmanship. Try to repair this image Kyle.
As a Cougar fan, I am surprised Whitingham did the on-sides kick being up by 43
points. That is the ultimate bush league thing to do to the other coach and
team. Kyle obviously did this to humiliate Wyoming and basically baited a HUGE
BEAR TRAP next year when his team travels to Laramie. Really really really
STUPID and CLASSLESS thing to do. Aside from this, Utah is bascially the
BEST team in the MWC right now. They have the defense and offense going and
nobody (including BYU) will stop them. Utah will not lose another game the rest
of the year.
The onside kick showed a clear lack of class. A guarantee does not show a lack
of class, it shows a coach trying to inspire his team. Utah took it to him,
good for them. They made him eat his words. But an onside kick with a 43 point
lead in the 3rd quarter? What were you trying to accomplish? That is pretty
Notice that Darrel Mack ended the game with 97 yards rushing. He was going for
his, what, 8th 100 game of the season? He was going against the best run defense
in the MWC. Don't you think he would have loved to get those three extra yards?
Why didn't he? Because he was on the bench most of the 2nd half. That's not
I think it's interesting that both coaches blamed their inability to control
their emotions for their behavior. Coach Glenn blamed his emotions for making
the guarantee and for making an obscene gesture during the game. Coach
Whittingham blamed his emotions for the onside kick. Aren't the coaches
supposed to be in control of their emotions? If they're not in control of their
own emotions before and during games, what should they expect of their players?
Doesn't the loss of control of emotions contribute to player brawls? What about
the fans? Would the coaches want the fans spilling onto the field in anger
because they couldn't control their emotions after a controversial call or a
bitter defeat? It worries me that two grown men who have been in the business
of sports for this long can't control their emotions. Apologies are great, but
what kind of example are they setting for the athletes and fans?
I am so sick and tired of hearing about this onside kick nonsense. If you
really think about it, it was a great move. The only time that you can do an
onside kick is either is practice or in a game. If it is a game situation it is
usually when you are down and need a miracle to stay alive. Why not do it
during a game when the outcome of the game won't be effected by it??? It sounds
like a great idea to me and it gives good in-game experience. I have no problem
with Coach Kyle's decision. If any of you on this board know anything about
football you can't argue this. I would love to see you try and welcome your
comments!!!!! Go UTES
I am sorry realistic U fan, but there is a difference between passing while
ahead, and kicking an onside kick. BYU's game plan for as long as I can remember
has included passing. They have never been a run first team, so they don't
change their game plan when they are winning. The utes on the other
hand, are not an "onside kicking" team. It was out of the norm for them to do
that, and it was not necessary. It was classless and totally uncalled for. If
Kyle can't handle his emotions maybe he shouldn't coach?
My theory is that Utah wanted to stir Wyoming into such an angry frenzy so
that when BYU visits next weekend Wyoming will kick their butts up and down the
field ala Kansas - Nebraska - Kansas State. Kyle coaches with
passion, what more do want in a coach. Football is savage. It was when Utah
was losing they were calling for Kyle's head now they just want him to play nice
and say that he is sorry. I never heard of anyone losing their job for running
up the score.
Cooter posters are sooo hypocritcal. You go to church and give all your primary
answers about repentance and forgiveness, but stumble when it comes down to
practicing these principles. Coach Kyle admits in the article HE made a mistake.
Who are we now to judge him as "Classless". Would it have been better to not
admit to the mistake. Do you want him to go to each of the Wyoming players homes
and personally bring a plate of cookies. By the way, how classless is it to
demean the Utah players for running the plays as dictated by their coaches.
After all the years of bad treatment from Wyoming, they deserve this. Who
cares, tell them to quit whining!!! Man up, and quit complaining!!!!If they had done the same thing, that would just saunter back to Wyoming and
count it as another victory. GO UTES!!!!
Congrats Utes. Very impressive win. I'm looking forward to a classic in two
I'm glad the UTEs won, but the decision by coach was uncalled for. Even when
they were up 43-0 and still went for it on 4th and 2...c'mon!!
Coach Whittingham has ALREADY apologized for the onside kick. Any BYU fans who
still believe in the atonement and the miracle of forgiveness can now lay off of
him and turn all of your attentions toward the game this weekend in Laramie.
Is this a BYU cougar club chat room? I'm glad you got the coach that says, "The
players are fully invested in our system and have a wonderful feeling of unity
as we press forward with faith." You can have him. I'll take Whitt. Have you
ever been to Laramie as an opposing crowd? Wyoming got what they deserved. BYU
has plain vanilla play calling and isn't really that fun of a brand of football.
BYU fans would not even care about this situation if they weren't scared of what
Utah could do to them in two weeks. I remember well how excited BYU fans were
when Mr. Crowton was running it up on opponents in 2001 and put a tight end back
in a slaughter of Air Force just to get a 2 year old MWC receiving record. Its
called hypocrisy and BYU fans have it in spades. Go back to Harmons articles
about how good (and boring) things are in happy valley. And don't forget, Utah
is 6-1 in its last seven visits to Rice Eccles South.
I think it's blatantly stupid how people turned this onside kick call into an
attack on Whittingham as a person; I'm a student at the Y and find it disgusting
how Cougars fans are attacking the rival's coach for making a call that has no
effect on them. This is not a BYU-Utah matter, it's a Wyoming-Utah matter.
Whittingham apologized. I've lived in Ann Arbor and been a part of the
Michigan-OSU rivalry, and THIS is classlessness: OSU coach Woody Hayes, with his
team leading by 34 points, went for two against Michigan. When asked why, he
said, "Because we couldn't go for three." I'm sure BYU fans wouldn't be that
upset with a 50-0 win over the Cowboys this Saturday, even if an onside kick was
involved. Stop demonizing the rival for what they do to other teams.
Sorry to say folks, last year when Wyoming got 35 points they BACKED OFF! Utah
poured it on continously through the third quarter, ON SIDE KICK at 43-0? What,
fake punt at 33-0 wasn't it? Hook & ladder with a huge lead too? The forward
handoff through the legs was brilliant, the lead wasn't that huge yet, so that
was an awesome play, but the trouncing should have backed off at 40-0, and put
in the back ups, or at least went to a steady running game without all the long
pass plays and trickery which continued. IT WAS DISGRACEFUL! Enough said.
Wittingham has been bashed by my wet noodle with 40 lashes and I am done with
it, I hope every game they play the rest of the year has this last game
remembered by the other team as if it was done to them, that might teach Kyle a
lesson in what the Coaches Conduct and Ethic Code is all about! It was totally
uncalled for, with that aside, nice game Utes.
Coach Whit did exactly what should have been done, what is this good
sportsmanship? College football is not little leage anymore... College football
and professional footbal do differ but not by much when it comes to the coaching
style. You play to win, and you do not quit playing especially in the 3rd
quarter. This is part of the game, if you are not coaching your team
to the best of your abilities you better be able to take it when you get trashed
up and down the field. Football is pretty much a job for these
athletes so when they are trained to do what they did they will not quit and
same goes for the coach. I agree there is such thing as class in sports but
after a "guarantee" what would you do? Lay down in the 3rd and act like we are
playing backyard two hand touch? Not likely, you would run the score up on your
little brother like the Utes did to the Cowboys.
Dear Coach Whittingham,According to byu fans and the local media, you are
classless for running the imfamaous on-side kick. I believe you are sincere
when you say that you made a mistake. I felt at the time it should not have
been run. The same byu fans and media also believe that when you have a lead on
another division I college team in the third quarter, you should quit running
your plays and trying to score. It appears that scoring and preventing the
other team from scoring is no longer the goal of the game. So, to appease said
byu fans and media, for the next two games, and in the apparent bowl game, would
you please just punt on every first down after you get a lead. Would you also
just tell your kick returners to down the ball wherever they recieve a kick. It
is apparently no longer right to try to advance the ball or score. Oh, and
please don't ever try scoring more than 10 points in the second half again. You
should have been punting on every first down! How dare you run plays that you
had practiced all week! Classless... (tic)
I have admired Joe Glen from afar from his days at Montana and N Colorado and
wish he wouldve ended up in SLC or Logan some day. He just seems like a down to
earth, intense, rebel of a coach. Which make his guarantee no big surprise. My
only disappointment was when asked about the finger, he didnt respond I was
checking the wind for a possible field goal. That would have been classic.
First, let me state that I am a true blue BYU fan and long-time season ticket
holder. That said, I'd like to congratulate the Utes for their great victory,
and Kyle Whittingham for a beautifully coached game, INCLUDING the onsides kick.
I would've done exactly the same thing, because the funny thing is this: It's
actually the job of the OTHER TEAM'S DEFENSE to prevent my team from scoring. I
just don't understand why a coach should deny his own players a great moment for
the tender FEELINGS of his opponent. Aren't they all D1 football players, or
did I just stumble into a stadium of romper-room play buddies? It's nonsense.
Furthermore, a struggling team can only learn when the weaknesses in their
preparation/execution are exposed. If a coach calls off the dogs, tactical
learning ends for the losing team at that moment. So, to the victor I say,
"Play on!" And to the loser I say, "Fight harder, then learn from what you've
Who cares? Wyoming shouldn't have guaranteed victory. Utes shouldn't have
onside kicked with the score 43-0. Like there is a national champion in NCAA
So when exactly in a game are you suppose to lay down. I am shocked people are
upset about a fake punt in the first half when the utes are up 26 to 0. Haven't
any of you seen teams come back from large deficits. So when exactly
are you suppose to lay down? 2nd quarter?
I'm disturbed by all of the people piling on Coach Whittingham over this. I
agree that it was an ill-advised decision, but he doesn't deserve this vitriol.
Nothing against Bronco, but I'm one who still wishes Kyle would have taken the
BYU job. I hated it when his dad jumped ship to the U and took the rest of the
family with him. I'd like to see Kyle back at his alma mater.
How ironic all the BYU fans in here are talking about class when LaVell Edwards
used to re-insert players like Marc Wilson to break NCAA records in games when
BYU was winning by huge margins. Glenn needed to be taken behind
the woodshed. He'll think twice about running his mouth before playing the Utes
next time.Remember it is better to feared as a team than loved. Look
where being loved gets the Chicago Cubs every year.
That's a pretty lame excuse for calling an onside kick when your team is up
43-0. If you can't control your emotions at 43-0, you shouldn't be a head
football coach, even of a pee-wee team. Go Lobos!
Maybe Whit had an emotional relapse and thought he was still a Cougar at BYU.Play the game til it's over. Never let up. Just ask the Texas Rangers,
who scored 30 runs on Baltimore. The Lakers would score 200 on the Spurs if they
could. This is much ado about nothing.
to the coach who said he tells his QB to fumble or throw a pick, this isnt
little league pal, you run the ball.
First I will say, the onside kick went too far. Kyle's emotions got the better
of him. It shouldn't have happened but it did. He realized that after the fact.
Next point. Everyone out there saying that Utah is classless for running
up the score should look back to the Lavell days. Happened week in and week out.
Not to mention that Wyoming had the 6th best defense in the nation going into
that game. This was not an Eastern Washington opponent. We removed all starters
with 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Bronco doesn't pull his any sooner.Utah ran the ball 18 of their last 19 plays. BYU never stops passing, even
when a game is out of reach. That is just as classless as running trick plays
and kicking onside kicks. Perhaps we only like to find the bad in other teams
and overlook our own "classless" acts.And I dare anyone to say that they
haven't done something stupid in the heat of the moment when emotion reigns. He
who is guiltless, let him cast the first stone...
What a poor and ugly thing to do. There was no reason to call an onside kick.
There was nothing to prove. The game was in the bag. Somebody talked about class
earlier and Whittingham has none. Honestly people, if you were a Wyoming coach
would you have enough "class" to go out and shake hands! I think not. I wouldn't
Oh yeah, and why are Ute fans suddenly standing up to Whittingham.
You wanted him gone just a month or so ago.
As a Utah transplant, all this U vs. Y banter kills me. I hail from Oregon,
where the real college Civil War resides, and while there are extremists on each
side, reason and objectiveness rarely takes a backseat to blatant homer-ism for
your team. I think the real story is how ridiculous Y fans are for
calling Whitt "bush-league at best" when all he's doing is securing a win for
his team with a whole half of football left to play! Get over yourselves, Cougs.
Don't worry, I have plenty against the BYU homers too, but in this case Cougar
fans need to realize that you don't win games and you ultimately let your
players & fanbase down by "letting up" at inappropriate times. Anyone see what
Manning and Indie did inthe Colts/Chargers game last night...in less than one
quarter? The game is never over in collegiate and professional sports.
I find it interesting that people can be so negative about a person they have
never met. Coach Whit is one of the most genuine classy people I have ever had
the privilage to be around. When it is game day he is there to win, which by
the way is just what he is paid to do. And to the coach who commentted earlier
that he would no longer reccommend the U to his players: Oh if we could all be
as perfect as you!!! Grow up, sounds to me as if you weren't pushing the U very
hard in the first place.
I'm a BYU fan but I don't hold this against Coach Whittingham. There are two
teams on the field and both are responsible for a lopsided score. If the Cowboys
didn't want to be embarrassed by the score they should have played better. Maybe
there should be a "skunk rule" or "mercy rule" like in ping-pong. If a team gets
up by 40 points the game ends. Barring that I have no problem with the Utes
scoring as many points as they can. Question - did Wyoming take out their first
string and stop playing as hard as they could? Why should the winning team stop
trying while the losing team continues to try hard? Finally, remember that this
is just a game, not life and death. All that said, I hope the cougars can run up
the score against the utes.
Wyoming Classless? Did you actually watch the game? The finger gesture was a
reaction to Whit's totally tasteless game plan. No one ever said Wyoming was a
class act. They are Wyoming. Utah is supposed to be a classy organization. Trick
plays after game was well in hand? Fake punt when up 26-0? Onside kick up 43-0?
Surprised they didn't go for 2 points after each touchdown. The backlash against
the Utes for being so classless will continue beyond this game. Not just form Y
fans. That is to be expected. The kids watching this will get into their minds
that Utes don't have class. Those type of things stick as they choose where to
play their sports careers. Even my long time Ute fan neighbors are embarrased
about this one.
Good damage control Whit, once you realized that you lost face with the rest of
the coaches in the conference and college football. But somethings just can't be
Stop saying they ran up the score. Whitt was just practicing an onside kick
because the game was already in hand. He might not have been thinking when he
did it, but they were just practicing it for the New Mexico and BYU games. They
haven't done one onside kick all year, and that was the perfect time to do it if
you think about it. Plus how did they run up the score by only scoring ten
points, what do you expect them to do, lay down and let WYOMING COME BACK AND
WIN IN THE 2ND HALF. everyone needs to stop overreacting to this because it's
not that big of a deal!
"A strategy's" comments are 100 percent correct! Future opponents now have to
work on all this stuff. Who does not like to watch gadget plays?
Will anybody argue that this year's fiesta bowl with Boise state and Oklahoma
wasn't one of the most entertaining games ever? Remember the Stobart years and 5
yards and a cloud of dust? Utah was lucky to get 13,000 fans in the stands, all
the while the TDS was sold out while putting on their arial circus. Hats off to
Whit and Andy Ludwig for putting on a show! I for one am begging for more.
The score is not the issue. Neither are the trick plays. The Utes were clearly
the better team. Glad he showed they have some tricks so there will be fewer
surprises in Provo. The issue is the onside kick -- which is usually used to try
to break open a close game or to launch a comeback attempt. Not to punish the
oponent because their coach is dumb. It (the onside kick) creates a short field
-- if executed successfully.The flying finger is also classless, so you
have 2 classless head coaches. Usually it's the assistants who are sometimes
immature, not the ehad guy. I personally don't see anything wrong with Joe
Glenn's pre-game comments other than they were stupid. They certainly didn't
strike me as disrespectful. Oh well
The onside kick resulted in Wyoming having the best field position in the game.
Glenn should have thanked Whit. And his team should have used that as motivation
to not get blanked.
Classless. An onside kick while up 43 points??? If Belicheat had done this, the
national media would be up in arms. Coach W has just lost his right to EVER
complain when the other team runs up the score. Couldn't even muster a real
You are right those were the scores but I never remeber an onside kick in the
third quarter in any of those games.
Why are BYU fans even commenting here? Since when is football a classy
sport anyway? We're talking about guys tackling eachother as hard as they can,
and you're upset about an onside kick? Please, get over it, and BYU fans get
It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. A lot of guys would get defensive in
the face of the onslaught Whitt has suffered the past few days. But instead of
stubbornly digging in his heels, Whitt listened to the criticism, reassessed his
decision and issue a mea culpa. It's impossible to have a perfect football
coach, so I'll take a coach that can honestly reflect on his decisions and try
to learn from mistakes. It's been fun to watch the Utes the last several weeks.
Whitt has pulled about 5/8ths of a rabbitt out of his hat. I can't wait to see
if he can get the whole rabbitt out.
The really shouldn't be a big deal about the whole guarantee. How many times
each week are there guarantees made all across the nation at pep rallies. It
happens all the time. The difference here is the Utes heard about it. Big deal.
Get over it. Is Joe Glenn supposed to say we're going to go in there and play
pretty hard, but I think we'll get beat? It's his job to get the troops riled
up, and what was said is said each and every week. Get over it!
These people upset at Coach KW make me sick. This is football, not girls ping
pong. Glen needed to be taught a lesson, for opening up his mouth. Football is
a game of emotion. If Wyoming didn't want Utah to run up the score and
dominate. Maybe they should have played defense and special teams fundamentals.
The onside kick just gave wyoming better field position. Give me Coach Whitt
over Pony Mendanhall anyday.
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Cougar fan but it seems to me that memories can be very
short. Remember how mad the Air Force Coach was when Crowton did the on-side
kick early in the game against the Falcons some years ago? It is not a matter
of being classless or running up the score. It is a matter of observing that
the players on the opposing team drop back way early and very rapidly to set up
a run back on kick off. It is a matter of good strategy and taking advantage of
a weakness the other team exposes. Congratulations Utes. I didn't see any
"easing up" by Wyoming last year. In fact, it seemed to me that Coach Glen was
rather gleeful after the Cowboys hammered the Utes.
I attend the U but work in Wyoming during the summers. Pokes fans are the worst
fans in the entire country. They have no respect for the other teams players
even their own. They talk more trash after a losing season than
Cougar or Ute fans do after an 10 win season. I loved than onside
kick. Great game Utes. If I was the coach I would of put in my scout team and
kept running my normal offense just to show the pokes that Utah's 1st and 2nd
teams can whoop'em.Finally, I have a hard time saying this but...I
hope BYU goes into Laramie and hangs 60 on'em right in front of the pokes
This may have been Kyles best move yet!Now when Wyoming beats "YbU" then
Utah Beats "YbU" the move will become clear!
it is not the coach in the leads job to slow down. it is the other coach to stop
them. if you can not then you need to work harder!!!!
When is enough points for a lead? Does everyone forget when BYU played SMU and
SMU had a big lead in the forth quarter with only a few min left in the game?
What is enough points in a lead. SMU lost when BYU went crazy in the last 4 min
of the game and won it.
After watching the game I just hope that Whit. kept some trick plays for BYU. I
don't think eberyone should jump all over Whit. I think Wyoming was a good team
to practice an onside kick against, wel may need it someday. The best
part of the day was when a cornerback for the pokes got on T.V. whinning about
how they ran up the score. Seriously kid it is your job to stop them, come on
have some self respect don't cry becasue mercy wasn't granted by the U's second
team O. What a whiner!
42-7, 38-0, 52-7, 38-8, 42-17, 55-7, 47-17Those are all BYU scores
from this season and last. The 55-7 score happens to be the BYU/Wyoming score
from last season.
Did anyone notice how many Wyoming coaches and players walked directly off the
field to the locker rooms without shaking hands with the Utes? That is more
classless than anything Whit did during regulation.Whether or not an
onsides kick is classless or not can be argued indefinitely. Coaches really have every right to call the plays they want and when they
want. Exploiting a weakness in a team - no matter how many others you have
exploited already - is the game of football.When you stop playing
football - no matter what the score - that's when you start losing games.Wyoming - As well as everyone in the MWC - needs to learn that the big
teams NEVER let up. Look at the pouncings they put on the "little guys" year
after year.Comparitively, letting up would be like Tiger Woods being
20 under par on the 9th hole and paring the last 9. Or a runner slowing up
before the finish line because he is too far ahead of the others.The
first thing Wyoming needs to do is come to play 4 quarters of football. Then
maybe they might start to guarantee some wins.
As a hard core Cougar fan and one who despises the Utes I will say the onside
kick made me laugh. Good one Kyle, after Glenns promise of a win he deserved to
get spanked. Wyoming is done, they will roll over for BYU. Thanks Utes for
spanking them so hard that they are way in the pits now. See you on Nov. 24th.
In football, the only classy thing to do is score on your opponent and stop them
from scoring. I'd say utah outclassed everyone (except bsu) last saturday.Besides, the utes did them a favor, wyoming got the ball at the utah 40
yard line, do you think they could have gotten there on their own. nope. coach
glen should have been thanking him for the charity.
Just because Utah only scored 10 points in the second have doesn't mean they
didn't try to score more. Glenn was in the wrong and Whittingham was in the
wrong. The actions of one doesn't excuse the other. I'm confused by anyone who
thinks how Whittingham handled the situation was anything but classless.
Teaching character to his players is obviously not very high on his list of
priorities--certainly not high enough.
If you notice. Everyone leaving comments against the Utes.. are B Y boo fans.
They need to get over it, and themselves? I think they're a little scared. And
they should be. I agree on not doing the onside kick. But.. you say things like
it was "classless and childish." Wasn't "guaranteeing" a win earlier in the week
"childish and classes?" Point made.. it happened. He apologized publicly. Game
is over, get over it and be ready! GO UTES!
Great game coach!! I have always been a believer in taking it to um!! Never
let up. This is not little league where we try to teach our kids respect and
give everyone a chace to play. This is college ball and big wins make for big
news. It worked!!! GO Utes
This really is funny,I just realized, Edwards was never classless.
Running the score up wasn't a problem for him. Because when he beat opponents
soundly, his third and fourth strings were in. And he just asked his players to
play hard and use those games to get better, so it would pay off when they faced
a tough opponent. He didn't do it out of spite to settle a vendetta. Never mind! We're justified! Call me classless Ute, if you want to. Everyone
disrespects us. Oh well, we need a chip on our shoulders so we can ride this
emotion against BYU.
I watched a lot of the game and lost even more respect for Whittingham. Wyoming
is hurting right now, if you remember San Diego State outscored Wyoming 27-3 and
racked up over 250 yards in just a little over two quarters. Fake punts, flea
flickers and on-side kicks equals classless. The excuse that Wyoming might come
back, right, they haven't had much offense all year long.
I am one that was very disappointed when KW turned down BYU. Like thousands of
others, over the last three seasons I have come to be more and more grateful
that he did. He really taught his players some valuable life lessons on
Saturday!! Not only did BYU get the better coach, they got the better man!
The reason why the utes did so many unusual thing after securing the win on
saturday was for future games. It was a smart strategic move on the part of the
coaches. Now UNM and BYU will have to spend extra practice time preparing for
those things. I'm sure it was part of the gameplan to show those plays no
matter what the score was. The onside kick was also part of the plan, now the
kick return teams will not be as effective because they will have to stay and
make sure the ball is kicked deep. Kyle probably should have called off the
kick but I understand what was going on.
"Whittingham noted that there where a lot of dynamics involved in the situation
and running the score up wasn't one of them. He pointed out that the Utes ran
the ball 18-of-19 plays in the fourth quarter and took their starters out."Who is convinced by this (lie) statement? You had already done the
damage before the fourth quarter! You ran more gadget plays than a flag
football team, many after you were miles ahead. It looks like you just can't
say I'm sorry and leave it at that.
Everyone is acting surprised at what Whit did? Are ya'' serious? Come on, this
is the yewts we're talking about, and classess is their way of thinking. Class
simply is not in their vocabulary (probably because it's not vulgur, crude or
obscene) and anyone who was surprised by Whit's classless act is living in lala
land. Plain and simple, Whit was piling it on and running up the
score, which is nothing short of pathetic when you're up 43-0. It's one thing
to continue scoring if the other team simply cannot stop you, but to keep on
scoring through trick plays and onside kicks is a joke. I used to
like Whit and thought he was a good guy, but no more. He's as classless as any
Boy. the Zoobies just can't stay away from articles on us. Look at the amount of
"concern" for our unsportsmanlike coach's actions and their choice of words used
to express THEIR umbridge at our offense against a team that they'd love to be
able to beat in similar fashion. Talk about who is unsportsmanlike. Starting to
sound like fear to me.Jimmy's right. Glenn and his 'Pokes got what
they deserved. And as someone said yesterday, since when do you stop scoring
runs in baseball or putting the puck in the net because your "embarrassing" the
other team. Don't remember the esteemed LE doing it when he was trying to get
the attention of the Eastern press in the 80's.
Kyle, When coaches make guarantees, sometimes they pay...nicely executed onside
kick! Keep up the grooming for being an assistant coach someday at BYU. You
are a trader at heart, but we'll take you back.
Utes always run on emotion. But this is insane. An opposing coach coming off a
loss where the other team came from way behind on them, then guarantees to his
student body that they are going to get a win, and the Utes flip out. Typical!
Always want respect, and this is how you think you get it.Trick
plays, fake punts, onside kicks. Apparently Wyoming was a big enough threat to
pull out all of this stuff. But I guess when U lose to Wyoming in the previous
year, it kinda stings. Guarantee no matter how much U complain, U won't get
that one back. U like that Ute fans? Your coach has been saving up all year for
the wrong team. Unless U really think Wyoming is the team to beat.
It is hard for me to understand how a foolish remark of promising a win could be
so offensive to a team and fans, and yet try to justify a classless act of the
onside kick in the same category. My observation is that both the Utah team, the
fans and the coaches have little class to let such a remark get under their skin
and then pound it in their face the way they did.Good luck on the rest of
your season Utah because you may need it. Maybe New Mexico will pound it down
you like you did to Wyoming. We can all hope.
If Glenn is going to insult Kyle and the Utes, he should put his finger away and
take whats coming to him. If you were playing a football video game and your
friend guaranteed a victory, youd bet youd run up the score on him, and thats
exactly what happened here. Kyle shouldnt have to apologize.
So I guess that the game after Being up 40 points should be only a defensive
game from that point so send the offense home !There have been many
teams up by allot of points only to have the other team come back and win!No finger gestures in any game is sportsman like! Just a
bunch of winers!Wake up don't be so narrow minded!
How is guaranteeing a victory bad? A spit in the face? Athlete's look for
anything they can to motivate them, to make them angry enough to fight hard. But
for a coach or player to guarantee a victory is no big deal and does not justify
childish behavior by the opposing coach.
Dear posters,Quit your crying. When Urban was here, he would always
pound the other team by at least 40, yet no one complained then. And stuff like
this goes on in the East all the time! I have never heard such a bunch of babies
in my life! Dnews should have a special baby board so you can all go to it and
whine your heads off together!
To Classless, you have appropriately named yourself. Remember who Kwhit played
for in college and you will know why he ran the score up against a hapless
opponent. Thats what he leaned from Edwards.
"My emotions got the best of me, and after thinking about it, I wouldn't have
done it in hindsight" he explained. "But emotions were running high as you could
tell both from what we did and the reaction on the other team. That's the
nature of sports, I guess. At times your emotions get in the way of sound
decision-making"THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE EXCUSE OF A 9 YEAR OLD! I'M
SURE GLAD HETOOK THE UTAH JOB. BE SURE TO PUT THIS ON YOUR RESUME, WHITT, MAYBE
YOU CAN BECOME THE D-LINE COACH AT OREGON OR FLORIDA.
It wasn't just the onside kick. Other classless moves inlcluded the fake punt
when up by 26 and calling two timeouts in the red zone trying to score when up
by 40. Oh and the end of the game gretting and congratulations was complete
class-less. Utah won, but they sacrificed a good name for it. Whit
can pretend to be sorry but he is now the bottom of the league among coaches.
The repercussion of this game in his profession will last a long time. He really
continues to take the program down.
Are we forgetting the gesture that Wyoming coach made !Is that acceptable
behavior! I think not !Regardless whether the onside kick was right
or wrong,The gesture was obviously wrong!
Ifyour emotions get away from you in the second half of a game while leading by
42 points, you have a problem. Add me to the lsit of folks who are happy Whit
turned down the Y. Two nights before, Bronco had his guys take a knee four yards
from a score that would have made a five point win look better -- perhaps
learning from the incident that started Gary Crowton 's downfall -- or perhaps
because he just has a little more class.
This is not the nature of sports, it's what's wrong with sports. This was a
classless act by a coach who let his emotions dominate him. I don't blame Glen
for giving him the bird though it was a shame to see him stoop to Wittingham's
What a baby! Fussy! Whiney! Everything Utes say they don't want to be. That was a pathetic show of emotion. Whittingham wasn't even over it
after the game, clearly put out and upset in post game interviews. Over what?
Nothing warranted that poor display.
I appreciate the argument for running up the score. I can see why some people
would be for it. But keep this in mind: When you do something like what the utes
did, you risk injury. Wyoming sees something like that and suddenly they are out
to get the ute players. They take low hits on them. They try and twist arms and
legs when tackling. If you want to run up the score, go for it. But if you do,
be prepared for possible injuries. If a key player gets injured while you are
running up the score, be prepared to accept the responsibility and look really
really bad as a coach...that just shows immaturity and wont score Kyle any
brownie points with is AD....
I do not consider by only adding 10 points thru an entire half of football
running up the score! Certainly if Utah could score 40 in the first
half it was also possible for Wyoming to do the same! You act like
no team has over comeback from a half time Lead!! Second guessing after a game
is always easy! Try it during the game I bet your result will be much
The Utes scored 40 points in the first half and only 10 in the second. There is
no story here.
No more sportsmanship in college football. Everyone talks a big game, and there
is much sportmanship AFTER the deeds are done. The conference has a
sportsmanship policy, but never enforces it....blah, blah, blah. No wonder our
high school kids and coaches do what they do.
Kyle knows what he is doing. He knows the schedule and he knows the standings.
Wyoming is mad. Wyoming is spitting nails right now while preparing for BYU.After this weekend we will control our own destiny as far as the
conference championship goes.The late apology was to appease the
The Wyoming coach ate his words, for sure. But when it became obvious that the
outcome was never in doubt, Whittingham should have taken the "higher road" and
not used it as an excuse to run up the score.Now, next year the Cowboys
will have every reason to be extra motivated when Utah visits their field.
Things like this tend to even out in life, so, if not next year, then sometime
soon the Utes will reap what they've sown. I know that I'll be watching...
Hmmm....Classless is letting the bird fly in a situation like that. I know the
disrespect goes both ways but a gesture like that has no place anywhere in the
game and I have yet to read that Glenn apologized for that.
Strike first, strike hard, no mercy sir!
Glad to see Whittingham take some responsibility for his poor decision to
attempt the onside kick after going up 43-0. It was definitely not a very classy
move, and tainted an otherwise amazing performance from Utah. The CSTV
commentators were speechless and could come to no other conclusion other than
that it was "classless" and that it tainted the victory quite a bit. Glenn's
response with the single finger salute was even more juvenile. I hope he gets
reprimanded by the league. I think that way too much was made of the guarantee
though. Glenn was not speaking to the media, or to the Utes, he was speaking to
boosters and it was blown WAY out of proportion. Obviously Whittingham and staff
used the statement to motivate his players and I don't blame him for doing so,
but I don't think it was justification for the "in your face" onside kick, and
to hear Whittingham use it as an excuse for in the post game press conference
was disgusting. I am glad to see he is backing away from that now.
Great game for the Utes! It looks like they have it going at just the right
time (the end of the season) where they have a chance to win out and grab a
share of the title. You have to wonder about Whittingham saying his judgement
was clouded in the heat of the moment. Decision making is most important when
emotions are high. Isn't that why you have coaches? Wow Whittingham!
This whole thing is about respect? Whittingham wasn't teaching his team respect
Saturday. His regrets come a little too late.
Sorry Whittinham don't believe your excuse for a minute. The excitement of the
game - PLEEESE. Don't want to be you when you travel to Laramie next year. The
Cowboys have a history of giving as good as they get. Instead of calling you
Coach Whittingham, let's just call you "No-class" Whittngham. Absolutely no
excuse. You are such a role model for your players. NOT Glad you are not at
BYU. Standards are a little higher there.
Even though I'm not a Utes fan I had more respect than that for Wittingham.
That was clearly a lack of class.
Whit said. "You have to be accountable. You can't just wash it by the way side.
"Sooooo, Whit. While you will be named the coach of the year in the
MWC and will most likely beat BYU AND have the backing of the Utah media. The
ons-sides kick while up 43-0 was Bush-league at best.I appreciate
the apology, however, I think this action spoke volumes about you. I have a few
former players on your team. I recommend you live up to the committment they
made to you. I expect you to be a role model, not a jerk, regardless of the
comments and actions the other coach and team made. I look to your actions, not
his.Good luck for the rest of the season and beyond, but I refuse to
recommend your program in the future. As you stated, "You have to be
I'm glad that Coach Whittingham is sorry, but he has been involved in football
for his whole life. Emotion is a lame excuse, and it was a low-class thing to
do. This is how bad blood is created. Anyone remember Crowton's feud with Air
I just get more and more happy Whittingham didn't accept BYU's offer.
Interesting. On the "Red Zone" (Channel 4) last night night KW expressed no
remorse for the onside kick and in fact tried to justify it. Maybe it was taped
before his afternoon remarks. I doubt it though.
Wittingham is classless. Case closed. Go Cougars!!!
Yea he had better. I don't like the U at all, but that lost all respect that I
have ever had for them of for kyle. Well the Y will show the U who is boss.
I acceept Kyle's regret for trying the onsides kick. As an Alumni I am proud of
the U of U. I don't want to see things that embarrase the school. Let's put this
to rest. Enough said.Go Utah, finish a successful season.
If you are a mature respectable coach and the score is 43-0 you do not allow
this to happen: "At times your emotions get in the way of sound
decision-making." I hope Coach Whittingham has called Coach Glenn and
apologized. If Coach Glenn is still at Wyoming next year I hope he shows he is a
better man and does not do something he will regret. Sportsmanlike conduct at
all times is the best way to go.
How can Coach Glenn be mad at Utah for an onside kick, when he makes a childish
comment that guarantees a victory over a team that he knows is playing better
than his? I admit that the onside kick wasnt the smartest decision ever
made by a coach, but it isnt quite in the class of guaranteeing a victory
either. Both coaches made a mistake last week. Glenns was just a worse one.
How is it that the Utes are so insecure that they take a comment like that as a
"spit in the face"? I think every time I play any sport that I am going to win.
If I don't, then congratulations to the other team, but I would think that
every time you go out there, you should expect to win - whether you say it or
Why is everyone still talking about the stupid onside? Get over it!!! Utah
wasn't trying to run up the score, there was like 12 minutes in the third and
it's not Utah's fault Wyoming can't stop them!I mean seriously,
people are making to big a deal of this whole situation.GO
UTES!!!!!!!PS- Now it's time for New Mexico......Gonna be a good
game......Prediction: Utah-27 UNM-13
excuses are symptoms of thoughtlessness
Whittingham - classless? Yewts - classless? I never knew. And by the way, why
does it take a guarantee from the other team to motivate the yewts?
Jimmy thinks Glenn got we he deserved. It is one thing for a player to
foolishly guarantee victory, but quite another for the head coach to do so.
Jimmy thinks what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I used to tell the quarter back to fumble the ball or throw an interception to
the other team and get away so he didn't get hurt. There are many
ways to apologize for running up the score..
Sorry Whit...it was still extremely classless. Step it up and be the man that
BYU thought you were when they offered you Bronco's job.
Now have a better definition of class. Reading this article and seeing the
Coach's show last night, Kyle IS remorseful about his decision. Now that he has
publicly said he is regretful judge his class now. He did not throw more wood
on the fire and say Wyoming deserved more, he expressed remorse. How many
fans will now step back and reconsider their comments about coach Kyle? I doubt
we see many of you come back in with comments that you may have regret for what
you said about his being "classless."Go Utes and keep up the good work
I have never been a believer in "pilling it on" against bad teams, but in this
case you have a fine Wyoming team that had the potential to come back and beat
Utah in the second half. The score was 40-0 after one half and Utah only scored
10 points thereafter, running the ball 18 of 19 attempts in the last quarter. To
be completely true to die-hard Utah fans a Utah coach should never let up on a
worthy opponent.How many times has "Cowboy Joe" let up on the Utes? Is this a
college athletic competition or are we out on the lawn playing a friendly game
of croquet and to sooth the feelings of an obviously frusted losing Coach
Glenn? Advice to Coach Whittingham: before you let up on anyone, think of your
own players first and your loyal fans.They don't come to see a super team like
the Utes suddenly become mediocre. Letting up in sports, in baseball or boxing
for example, is actually dishonest and can get you suspended. Players who come
to play should never be asked to take it easy on the opponent, even to satisfy
some "good-old-boy" coaches network.
Sorry. I don't by Kwitt's "apology". I watched the game from start to finish,
and that onsides kick was a calculated move. He wasn't caught up in an
"emotional" moment, despite all the other trick plays he ran.The
play was classless (look at what the score was when it happened) and it will
come back to bite him.
What a hoot! Utah gets even for the way Wyoming treated them last year (and they
did not "take it easy" on Utah. They would have run up the score to 100 if they
could have). Now Wyoming seems to have forgotten where this all began and they
are going to get even with Utah next year. Wyoming, you reap what you sow.
No question about it, unsportsmanlike behavior.Good teams are usually a
class act, this was immature and petty.
The AD for Utah should have had the sense to call Kyle into his office and give
him a spanking. Everybody is focusing on the on side kick. What about the flea
flicker and the fake punt and other plays and not taking your players out
earlier. Kyle admitted to having his emotions get away with him. That may be
true once, but so many other factors remain unrepentant and unaccounted for. I
think cougars fans got the classier guy. He acted like a guy who stole the girl
at the beach, (which the utes did), needless to kick sand in the face too.
Wyoming was never a bastion of good sportsmanship. Good for the Utes, I'm glad
they throttled them. But you'll still be 2nd in the MWC.