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Whittingham regrets Utes' onside kick
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Seattle | 8:55 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
The end result is that Utah and Willingham has lost some respect from fans and
coaches in the conference. Now, he has his players all jacked up to play New
Mexico and especially BYU. That is exactly what he wants.
BYU better watch out in two weeks. Utah has been the underdog several times vs BYU yet they still seem to rise up and beat them.
If BYU has the conference championship basically locked up in 2 weeks do you think they will be as motivated as Utah to dominate the game? I doubt it.
Better be careful.
BYU better watch out in two weeks. Utah has been the underdog several times vs BYU yet they still seem to rise up and beat them.
If BYU has the conference championship basically locked up in 2 weeks do you think they will be as motivated as Utah to dominate the game? I doubt it.
Better be careful.
Go Witt | 9:04 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Wyoming is already the worst place in the conference to play. Now the Utes can
look forward to next year at Wyoming. Talk about bulletin board material the
Cowboys will be hungry. I predict now Witt's little hissy fit costs the
Utes a game. Maybe not to Wyoming but maybe to a key injury by an angry cowboy
with a late hit.
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irondori | 9:06 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Gene -- you are an alumnus, not an alumni. But they probably didn't teach
you that @ the U...
Btw, would be interested to know in what emotion Coach K.W. was caught up to persuade him to make the onside-kick call... I think he deserved the finger, er gesture.
Btw, would be interested to know in what emotion Coach K.W. was caught up to persuade him to make the onside-kick call... I think he deserved the finger, er gesture.
Trick-Schmick | 9:28 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I don't get all the cougar ire over the trick plays in the Utah game.
Please some "fully invested" cougar help me understand why scoring via a gadget play is less respectful than scoring via a standard running or passing play?
It's not as if the fumbleruski or the reverse or the flea-flicker or the hook and ladder comes with some kind of guarantee.
If they did, everyone would be using them. Even the unimaginitive (but as we're constantly being told) 'classy' Bronco Mendenhall.
Please some "fully invested" cougar help me understand why scoring via a gadget play is less respectful than scoring via a standard running or passing play?
It's not as if the fumbleruski or the reverse or the flea-flicker or the hook and ladder comes with some kind of guarantee.
If they did, everyone would be using them. Even the unimaginitive (but as we're constantly being told) 'classy' Bronco Mendenhall.
kewg fans.... | 9:32 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
you guys feel threatened. utah is playing better football than byu. there is
less than 2 weeks until the big game. deny it allllll you want. but in your
heart of hearts, everyone single one of you kewg heads are scared about the
24th. you will talk big up until kickoff. thats what you guys do best. talk
big. but your big time talking, your fasting, and your praying will NOT help you
this year. good luck passing against the best secondary in the MWC. good luck
trying to stop the leading RB in the conference. good luck trying to stop the U
receivers, when you have one of the worst secondaries in the conference. and
last, but not least, i wish max hall good luck with the likes of stevenson
sylvester, steve tate, sean smith, robert johnson, joe jianoni, GABE LONG, and
nai fotu coming at him all day long ;) good luck players and fans alike. lets
see if good 'ol bronco can keep his finger down when utah is doing onside
kicks in the 3rd quarter while pitching another blowout shutout
new to football | 9:36 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Please be patient with me (I am new to American football).
According to football etiquette, what is an acceptable margin of victory?
If a team is ahead by 3 points would it be good etiquette to punt or �fall on a knee� when it was your team�s turn to run or play catch with the ball?
Like in boxing, is it possible for the losing team to �throw in the towel� so that the team that is ahead won�t try to score any more points? Was the towel thrown onto the field so no come back would be possible?
Please clarify�I thought it was a good idea to make goals? The great American pastime is so confusing.
According to football etiquette, what is an acceptable margin of victory?
If a team is ahead by 3 points would it be good etiquette to punt or �fall on a knee� when it was your team�s turn to run or play catch with the ball?
Like in boxing, is it possible for the losing team to �throw in the towel� so that the team that is ahead won�t try to score any more points? Was the towel thrown onto the field so no come back would be possible?
Please clarify�I thought it was a good idea to make goals? The great American pastime is so confusing.
Damaged goods | 9:38 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
from Hey BYU Fans: "Isn't Coach Whitt an ALUM of your school?
Isn't he alum of the BYU football program? Isn't he member of your
church??"
Uh, yeah you're right on all those points. He used to be a pretty good guy. WHAT IN THE WORLD DID U GUYS DO TO HIM??! Now it's going to take years for us to reform him after he joins Bronco's staff as the D coordinator, thanks a bunch.
Uh, yeah you're right on all those points. He used to be a pretty good guy. WHAT IN THE WORLD DID U GUYS DO TO HIM??! Now it's going to take years for us to reform him after he joins Bronco's staff as the D coordinator, thanks a bunch.
Arizona Ute | 9:42 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Went to Byu, graduated from UofU, read all these posts. I root for both teams
unless they play each other. The "classless" ones, the ones that I
have lost respect for are all the BYU fans on this post who have ridiculed and
denigrated and made the incredibly childish, tasteless and totally stupid
remarks. It's just a football game and somehow I had higher expectations
of BYU fans- particularly given your religious affiliation. To say I am
disappointed doesn't begin to cover it. I enjoy a good football game- but
that's just it- it's ONLY a game!!! The fate of the free world
doesn't rest on it's outcome!
re:re:Be afraid | 9:44 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Actually 20 yard line 5 row season ticket holder for 20 years baby. Love it,
I'm jacked for the game on the 24th. Best rivalry in the country.
East Coast Ute | 9:52 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I am amazed at how many BYU fanatics are commenting on a Utah-Wyoming game and
attacking the character of the Utah coach. Sounds like fear, with maybe some
hatred thrown in. Not even close to what BYU represents itself to be. Maybe BYU
is not what it represents itself to be. A BYU friend recently told me he thinks
everyone hates BYU because once upon a time they had some really good teams.
Not true. Many teams have dominated and been respected. Just read the comments
above for a hint at the real reason.
chester blue | 10:05 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Coach Kyle made a poor mistake and he admitted it. Was he put up to the apology?
That we don't know for sure. He is a good coach and he's definitely
proved it this year. I thought the Utes wouldn't win more than 5-6 games
after all of their injuries. But Kyle has done a tremendous job up there. The
on-sides kick was ridiculous though. Being up 43-0 and going for it there? I
would've given him the double bird. It really was classless and he knows
it. He still is an excellent coach by ripping off six in a row like they have.
They do have real good talent and despite the record in '06 you knew that
Utah's A-team would compete against BYU. I see another great game in LES
and I'm curious as to how Vegas will pick this one. Right now, they may
give Utah a 3.5 advantage but BYU will end up being picked to win by 3 1/2
points. Can't wait for the game. GO COUGS!!!
Re; Laugable | 10:10 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
You wanna talk about crying...John Beck two years ago. Now that's weak!
haha. He's a baby. Not even tough enough to start on a team that's
0-8. Go Utes. I hate BYU and always will. And not to mention crying
let's talk about criminals...now that's not very classy on BYU's
part. Honor code doesn't even exist for football players.
think about it... | 10:31 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Hey byu guys (and other self righteous posters), better check out your own
closets before chucking too many more rocks... Remember, what would Jesus do?
RE: Trick-Schmick | 10:44 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Please excuse my football ignorance maybe someone can help me out...when a
hand-off is faked, isn't that a form of a trick play? When the offense
huddles and calls a play, are they not trying to figure out how best to move the
ball down the field without letting the opposing defense know what they are
going to do? Is that not a form of trickery? If BUY fans pride themselves in not
having trick plays, why doesn't their offense announce to the defense what
they are going to do and then see if they are good enough to execute
successfully?
A flea-flicker or hook and ladder are very entertaining plays to watch and demonstrate confidence and a willingness to take a risk. Let's face it, folks, if BYU had such plays in their play book, they would be talking like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread because that's what BYU fans do. BYU doesn't have them, they can't execute them, and therefore, their fans who espouse only what their institution says is ok, don't like them.
A flea-flicker or hook and ladder are very entertaining plays to watch and demonstrate confidence and a willingness to take a risk. Let's face it, folks, if BYU had such plays in their play book, they would be talking like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread because that's what BYU fans do. BYU doesn't have them, they can't execute them, and therefore, their fans who espouse only what their institution says is ok, don't like them.
Ute shootin | 10:51 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Wow, BYU fans are just in here crying, trying to make Witt look bad so they can
make themselves believe they have the better coach, well forget about it you are
stuck with the second hand trash. Witt chose the classier program, and also the
more successful program that has dominated BYU over the years.
Mike Gourley | 11:21 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I think most people are missing the point in my opinion. I don't think
Whitt ran the score up. They only scored 10 points in the second half. What
Whitt did was classes and embarassing. I think it is a lot worse than just
running the score up.
NIce | 11:43 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Way to go Coach K.W!! The real side of you finally comes out !!
Anonymous | 11:52 p.m. Nov. 12, 2007
There is only one thing that I am getting by all of this controversy. BYU is
afraid, very afraid (of the DARKSIDE). Let's have a repeat performance this
week and get another W against New Mexico.
GO UTES!
GO UTES!
Chicago Cougar | 7:34 a.m. Nov. 13, 2007
I watched the Utah game, and I thought it was a classless act, but the most
classless thing about it is that BYU fans and not Wyoming fans are unable to
forgive and let go. It's not really classy to generalize an entire fan
base and school based on the actions of a few. Let it go. KW apologized. What
more do you expect? Go Cougs! Beat those Utes in 2 weeks!
sparks24 | 10:32 a.m. Nov. 13, 2007
This whole thing is not about BYU VS UTAH it is about a coach doing something
stupid period. I have been a high school coach for 18 years what Coach Whit did
was simply wrong and to defend it makes you that are look stupid. Leave your
red eyes at the door and just say it was stupid and move on.
thanks kyle | 11:58 a.m. Nov. 13, 2007
for giving us something to fuss about this week. The byu and utah game isnt
until next week and we dont want to waste all the smack talk this week. Now that
we have something for everyone to talk about we can save all the good stuff for
the big show.
Tarheel Ute | 12:05 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
50 to 0. Perhaps it was a good thing I was unable to watch the game. A game
were good sportsmanship was not exhibited by the hosts, albeit following some
poorly timed remarks guaranteeing victory by Wyoming's coach prior to the
game. The otherwise decisive win by the Utes was overshadowed by the Utes
aggressive play once the early lead would have normally required a little
civility. Granted it is difficult to tell even your second and third stringers
to hold back, as the Utes attempted in most part in the second half. However
the damage was done, and now a good win is tarnished and what little good graces
gained after turning around their season has vanished. Wyoming may have
deserved to be beaten on the field, but did not deserve to be humiliated,
regardless of the their couches comments.
Coach | 12:06 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
Coach Whitt only apologized after his wife got on hit tale. Good thing coach
married a good woman.
GO UTES!!! | 2:39 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
OK. We've beat this horse dead. Now let's just leave it to all those
cougar fans with their fake outrage and their self-congratulatory hubris while
the rest of us turn our attention to what is REALLY important...the 7-3 (4-2)
New Mexico Lobos will be visiting us this weekend. We're still jockeying
for position in the MWC, and these guys aren't going to roll over for us
like the Cowboys did. They're playing some good football.
GO UTES!!!
GO UTES!!!
UTE | 3:12 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
I personally love all the "class" comments coming from BYU fans and
how Bronco would have never done this. How about throwing an 18 yard TD pass
with your starting QB (ok, ok it was Jason Beck not John Beck and I am not sure
there was a back up to the back up) with 2 minutes left in the GAME to your
STARTING tight end Johnny Harline to make the score 38-0? By the way, that
school was another in-state institution, Utah State. Running up the score?
Classless? Thanks for the example Bronco and BYU. All class. The flagship of
the conference.....LOL.
Anonymous | 3:48 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
Whittingham should have spent some time in parochial school like Urbin Meyers did.
It might have given him some degree of class and dignity.
GRider | 5:16 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
I want to see a coach go for the jugular and attack at every opportunity, every
game, every play.
Fact of the matter...Utah won another game and will win the next three (counting the bowl game).
I want Whittingham, Andersen and Ludwig to go for the jugular all the time the Utes are playing. Never quit until the whistle blows at the end of the game regardless of the score.
Fact of the matter...Utah won another game and will win the next three (counting the bowl game).
I want Whittingham, Andersen and Ludwig to go for the jugular all the time the Utes are playing. Never quit until the whistle blows at the end of the game regardless of the score.
dennis | 6:09 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
Uh, GRider,
A lot of us don't exactly see an on-side kick as "going for the jugular."
Sort of a wimpy thing to do, actually.
A lot of us don't exactly see an on-side kick as "going for the jugular."
Sort of a wimpy thing to do, actually.
Horsebutt Mendenhall | 8:58 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
Please have mercy on us, the holier-than-thou people of the school down south.
Don't kick our hineys like you did Wyoming's. We promise to lose in
San Diego after the Holy War to let your share the title if your don't pull
out the onside when you're killing us 73-3.
Horsetush Mendanhall | 9:05 p.m. Nov. 13, 2007
My dear Kyle,
Please have mercy on us, the holier-than-thou people of the school down south. Don't kick our hineys like you did Wyoming's. We promise to lose in San Diego after the Holy War to let your share the title if your don't pull out the onside when you're killing us 73-3.
Love,
Bronchitis
Please have mercy on us, the holier-than-thou people of the school down south. Don't kick our hineys like you did Wyoming's. We promise to lose in San Diego after the Holy War to let your share the title if your don't pull out the onside when you're killing us 73-3.
Love,
Bronchitis
False Pride? | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 14, 2007
An on-side kick when the game is clearly won, is the same as a sucker punch.
Nothing go be proud of Utahns.
Nothing go be proud of Utahns.
Big 10 fan | 1:33 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
"Whittingham regrets the onside kick."
I wonder how many Ute fans regret having him as coach. If you want a class act as a coach - you might think about looking in the Midwest for a good coach.
I wonder how many Ute fans regret having him as coach. If you want a class act as a coach - you might think about looking in the Midwest for a good coach.
bluenwhite | 6:33 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
Was it the correct thing to do? That is debateable. I wouldn't have done
it. I am glad the Wyoming coach was punished for his gesture. My question is
why Utah struggles to fill or even get close to filling their stadium for home
games? Come on ute fans, if you are so die hard GO TO THE GAMES!!
I dislike Wyoming almost as much as I dislike the U, and I am predicting that the Cougs will win out and finish in the top 25.
Predictions:
BYU 31 Wyoming 10
BYU 24 Utah 17
BYU 38 San Diego 10
GO COUGS!!!
I dislike Wyoming almost as much as I dislike the U, and I am predicting that the Cougs will win out and finish in the top 25.
Predictions:
BYU 31 Wyoming 10
BYU 24 Utah 17
BYU 38 San Diego 10
GO COUGS!!!
re: onside kick, etc. | 6:42 p.m. Nov. 14, 2007
PLEASE! Had Coach Whit took it easy on WY, and had WY made a comeback, then
everybody would've been asking for his head saying that a good coach
would've made certain that the game was in hand before letting up! This
was the same team that badly beat VA who is leading the ACC. If you don't
think that they could've made a comeback in the 3rd quarter, then you are
the one that is disrespecting WY!
An onside kick is a low percentage play that courts extreme risk in that the opposing team ends up with excellent field position. It is only used when a coach is desperate or very sure that he can make the play. Auburn's coach used it against SC last year while beating SC. Spurrier was very impressed, and gave a nod of approval to the Auburn coach for having burned him. It did not work for the Utes, and gave WY one of their best shots at scoring the whole game.
This was no different than any of the other trick plays used against WY. I think the offense should've shown no let up until the 4th when it was impossible to comeback!
An onside kick is a low percentage play that courts extreme risk in that the opposing team ends up with excellent field position. It is only used when a coach is desperate or very sure that he can make the play. Auburn's coach used it against SC last year while beating SC. Spurrier was very impressed, and gave a nod of approval to the Auburn coach for having burned him. It did not work for the Utes, and gave WY one of their best shots at scoring the whole game.
This was no different than any of the other trick plays used against WY. I think the offense should've shown no let up until the 4th when it was impossible to comeback!
Anonymous | 6:11 a.m. Nov. 15, 2007
Onside kicks are a typical maneuver in Utah football.
They rely on plastic rather than substance.
They rely on plastic rather than substance.
Get some class | 8:52 a.m. Nov. 15, 2007
Typical cheap-shot Utah football tactic.
Kiss my class | 4:07 p.m. Nov. 15, 2007
It was as classy and incredible as anything. Why should trick plays be limited
to the weak teams that aren't good enough to execute them anyways? They
shouldn't be a last chance haven't-got-a-prayer kind of a thing.
Let's practice them against real teams, and they'll be effective when
we need them.
Pathetic Cougars | 2:33 a.m. Nov. 16, 2007
You guys are the worst, seriously. You as a sports culture and self rightoeus
people are more competitive than anyone but you try to pull out the red flags
and say what should have been done. It was one stupid onsides kick, stop making
such a big deal about it. Everyone laughs at you all over the country cause
this stuff is normal. It's football folks! The Utes are playing hard and
pulling out what they can to do well and have fun. I think the classless thing
is the star wars milking the cow cheer and gesture you do when you're on
defense. That's aweful!
Anonymous | 6:41 a.m. Nov. 16, 2007
"Trick Play?"
Situations don't make the man - they reveal him.
And what has been revealed is another reason why people view Utahns as plastic.
I'm surprised he didn't grab the ball and go home.
Situations don't make the man - they reveal him.
And what has been revealed is another reason why people view Utahns as plastic.
I'm surprised he didn't grab the ball and go home.
Ute Alumni | 10:03 a.m. Nov. 16, 2007
It has been nearly a week and I still don't see why guaranteeing a win is
"classless" like so many infer in these comments. I don't like
Kyle being unsportsmanlike (which he was), I still wish him luck however.
Let's be cool about how we win games and not act like it is the first time
we have been ahead in a game. I think the way the Utes responded to the
guarantee shows the inferiority complex that I noticed while attending the U.
Go Utes. Act like you should, the top class university that you are.
USU grad | 12:26 p.m. Nov. 16, 2007
You whiners from Utah and BYU. At least you get wins to crow about, or against,
with each other.
On-side kick the coach | 1:13 p.m. Nov. 16, 2007
An on-side kick when the team is ahead by 50 points to zilcho is not
"guaranteeing a win,"
it's a shameless exhibition of low behavior and an embarassement to anyone with any class whatsoever.
Fire the coach and recruit somebody with class (I'd look in the Midwest somewhere)
it's a shameless exhibition of low behavior and an embarassement to anyone with any class whatsoever.
Fire the coach and recruit somebody with class (I'd look in the Midwest somewhere)
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Anyone who keeps scoring and says, if you don't like it stop us - I have no problem with that. Though the classy thing is to hold the score down. In this situation, this is not running the offense. It was childish 5 year old behavior and Glenn's gesture was as bad or worse. Kryle's behavior is being criticized nationwide. His behavior is an embarrassment to good sportsmanship -which is what he should be teaching his players and we should all be teaching our youth. I am troubled by any fan of the little brother in red who is also not embarrassed by his actions. Please, stand for something! Is this really a lesson you want you child to learn?