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Whittingham regrets Utes' onside kick

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uteowl | 8:46 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Boy. the Zoobies just can't stay away from articles on us. Look at the amount of "concern" for our unsportsmanlike coach's actions and their choice of words used to express THEIR umbridge at our offense against a team that they'd love to be able to beat in similar fashion. Talk about who is unsportsmanlike. Starting to sound like fear to me.

Jimmy's right. Glenn and his 'Pokes got what they deserved. And as someone said yesterday, since when do you stop scoring runs in baseball or putting the puck in the net because your "embarrassing" the other team. Don't remember the esteemed LE doing it when he was trying to get the attention of the Eastern press in the 80's.
Suprised?! | 8:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Everyone is acting surprised at what Whit did? Are ya'' serious? Come on, this is the yewts we're talking about, and classess is their way of thinking. Class simply is not in their vocabulary (probably because it's not vulgur, crude or obscene) and anyone who was surprised by Whit's classless act is living in lala land.

Plain and simple, Whit was piling it on and running up the score, which is nothing short of pathetic when you're up 43-0. It's one thing to continue scoring if the other team simply cannot stop you, but to keep on scoring through trick plays and onside kicks is a joke.

I used to like Whit and thought he was a good guy, but no more. He's as classless as any yewt.
Steve | 8:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
"Whittingham noted that there where a lot of dynamics involved in the situation � and running the score up wasn't one of them. He pointed out that the Utes ran the ball 18-of-19 plays in the fourth quarter and took their starters out."

Who is convinced by this (lie) statement? You had already done the damage before the fourth quarter! You ran more gadget plays than a flag football team, many after you were miles ahead. It looks like you just can't say I'm sorry and leave it at that.
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a strategy | 8:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
The reason why the utes did so many unusual thing after securing the win on saturday was for future games. It was a smart strategic move on the part of the coaches. Now UNM and BYU will have to spend extra practice time preparing for those things. I'm sure it was part of the gameplan to show those plays no matter what the score was. The onside kick was also part of the plan, now the kick return teams will not be as effective because they will have to stay and make sure the ball is kicked deep. Kyle probably should have called off the kick but I understand what was going on.
BYU Alum | 8:49 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I am one that was very disappointed when KW turned down BYU. Like thousands of others, over the last three seasons I have come to be more and more grateful that he did. He really taught his players some valuable life lessons on Saturday!! Not only did BYU get the better coach, they got the better man!
DMW | 8:53 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I watched a lot of the game and lost even more respect for Whittingham. Wyoming is hurting right now, if you remember San Diego State outscored Wyoming 27-3 and racked up over 250 yards in just a little over two quarters. Fake punts, flea flickers and on-side kicks equals classless. The excuse that Wyoming might come back, right, they haven't had much offense all year long.
Classless Ute | 8:53 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
This really is funny,

I just realized, Edwards was never classless. Running the score up wasn't a problem for him. Because when he beat opponents soundly, his third and fourth strings were in. And he just asked his players to play hard and use those games to get better, so it would pay off when they faced a tough opponent. He didn't do it out of spite to settle a vendetta.

Never mind! We're justified! Call me classless Ute, if you want to. Everyone disrespects us. Oh well, we need a chip on our shoulders so we can ride this emotion against BYU.
face the facts | 8:52 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Great game coach!! I have always been a believer in taking it to um!! Never let up. This is not little league where we try to teach our kids respect and give everyone a chace to play. This is college ball and big wins make for big news. It worked!!! GO Utes
Get Over it | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
If you notice. Everyone leaving comments against the Utes.. are B Y boo fans. They need to get over it, and themselves? I think they're a little scared. And they should be. I agree on not doing the onside kick. But.. you say things like it was "classless and childish." Wasn't "guaranteeing" a win earlier in the week "childish and classes?" Point made.. it happened. He apologized publicly. Game is over, get over it and be ready!
GO UTES!
Define class | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Just because Utah only scored 10 points in the second have doesn't mean they didn't try to score more. Glenn was in the wrong and Whittingham was in the wrong. The actions of one doesn't excuse the other. I'm confused by anyone who thinks how Whittingham handled the situation was anything but classless. Teaching character to his players is obviously not very high on his list of priorities--certainly not high enough.
i love it | 8:55 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
In football, the only classy thing to do is score on your opponent and stop them from scoring. I'd say utah outclassed everyone (except bsu) last saturday.

Besides, the utes did them a favor, wyoming got the ball at the utah 40 yard line, do you think they could have gotten there on their own. nope. coach glen should have been thanking him for the charity.
Cougars | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
As a hard core Cougar fan and one who despises the Utes I will say the onside kick made me laugh. Good one Kyle, after Glenns promise of a win he deserved to get spanked. Wyoming is done, they will roll over for BYU. Thanks Utes for spanking them so hard that they are way in the pits now. See you on Nov. 24th.
Wyoming Classless | 8:54 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Did anyone notice how many Wyoming coaches and players walked directly off the field to the locker rooms without shaking hands with the Utes? That is more classless than anything Whit did during regulation.

Whether or not an onsides kick is classless or not can be argued indefinitely.

Coaches really have every right to call the plays they want and when they want. Exploiting a weakness in a team - no matter how many others you have exploited already - is the game of football.

When you stop playing football - no matter what the score - that's when you start losing games.

Wyoming - As well as everyone in the MWC - needs to learn that the big teams NEVER let up. Look at the pouncings they put on the "little guys" year after year.

Comparitively, letting up would be like Tiger Woods being 20 under par on the 9th hole and paring the last 9. Or a runner slowing up before the finish line because he is too far ahead of the others.

The first thing Wyoming needs to do is come to play 4 quarters of football. Then maybe they might start to guarantee some wins.
Look at these scores: | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
42-7, 38-0, 52-7, 38-8, 42-17, 55-7, 47-17

Those are all BYU scores from this season and last. The 55-7 score happens to be the BYU/Wyoming score from last season.
Wyoming Whiners | 8:57 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
After watching the game I just hope that Whit. kept some trick plays for BYU. I don't think eberyone should jump all over Whit. I think Wyoming was a good team to practice an onside kick against, wel may need it someday.
The best part of the day was when a cornerback for the pokes got on T.V. whinning about how they ran up the score. Seriously kid it is your job to stop them, come on have some self respect don't cry becasue mercy wasn't granted by the U's second team O.
What a whiner!
UNDERSTAND | 8:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
When is enough points for a lead? Does everyone forget when BYU played SMU and SMU had a big lead in the forth quarter with only a few min left in the game? What is enough points in a lead. SMU lost when BYU went crazy in the last 4 min of the game and won it.
bull | 8:59 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
it is not the coach in the leads job to slow down. it is the other coach to stop them. if you can not then you need to work harder!!!!
Larry | 8:59 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
This may have been Kyles best move yet!
Now when Wyoming beats "YbU" then Utah Beats "YbU" the move will become clear!
Great Job Whit!! | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I attend the U but work in Wyoming during the summers. Pokes fans are the worst fans in the entire country. They have no respect for the other teams players even their own.

They talk more trash after a losing season than Cougar or Ute fans do after an 10 win season.

I loved than onside kick. Great game Utes. If I was the coach I would of put in my scout team and kept running my normal offense just to show the pokes that Utah's 1st and 2nd teams can whoop'em.

Finally, I have a hard time saying this but...I hope BYU goes into Laramie and hangs 60 on'em right in front of the pokes sale-out crowd!!
Cougblue in TF | 9:10 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Cougar fan but it seems to me that memories can be very short. Remember how mad the Air Force Coach was when Crowton did the on-side kick early in the game against the Falcons some years ago? It is not a matter of being classless or running up the score. It is a matter of observing that the players on the opposing team drop back way early and very rapidly to set up a run back on kick off. It is a matter of good strategy and taking advantage of a weakness the other team exposes. Congratulations Utes. I didn't see any "easing up" by Wyoming last year. In fact, it seemed to me that Coach Glen was rather gleeful after the Cowboys hammered the Utes.
Whambulance | 9:14 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
These people upset at Coach KW make me sick. This is football, not girls ping pong. Glen needed to be taught a lesson, for opening up his mouth. Football is a game of emotion. If Wyoming didn't want Utah to run up the score and dominate. Maybe they should have played defense and special teams fundamentals. The onside kick just gave wyoming better field position. Give me Coach Whitt over Pony Mendanhall anyday.
Come on people... | 9:14 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
The really shouldn't be a big deal about the whole guarantee. How many times each week are there guarantees made all across the nation at pep rallies. It happens all the time. The difference here is the Utes heard about it. Big deal. Get over it. Is Joe Glenn supposed to say we're going to go in there and play pretty hard, but I think we'll get beat? It's his job to get the troops riled up, and what was said is said each and every week. Get over it!
A Big Man | 9:26 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. A lot of guys would get defensive in the face of the onslaught Whitt has suffered the past few days. But instead of stubbornly digging in his heels, Whitt listened to the criticism, reassessed his decision and issue a mea culpa. It's impossible to have a perfect football coach, so I'll take a coach that can honestly reflect on his decisions and try to learn from mistakes. It's been fun to watch the Utes the last several weeks. Whitt has pulled about 5/8ths of a rabbitt out of his hat. I can't wait to see if he can get the whole rabbitt out.
Why BYU | 9:28 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Why are BYU fans even commenting here?
Since when is football a classy sport anyway? We're talking about guys tackling eachother as hard as they can, and you're upset about an onside kick? Please, get over it, and BYU fans get lost.
Thanks for the Scores | 9:31 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
You are right those were the scores but I never remeber an onside kick in the third quarter in any of those games.
This guy | 9:32 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Classless. An onside kick while up 43 points??? If Belicheat had done this, the national media would be up in arms. Coach W has just lost his right to EVER complain when the other team runs up the score. Couldn't even muster a real apology. Sad.
T Free | 9:34 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
The onside kick resulted in Wyoming having the best field position in the game. Glenn should have thanked Whit. And his team should have used that as motivation to not get blanked.
Score is not the issue | 9:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
The score is not the issue. Neither are the trick plays. The Utes were clearly the better team. Glad he showed they have some tricks so there will be fewer surprises in Provo. The issue is the onside kick -- which is usually used to try to break open a close game or to launch a comeback attempt. Not to punish the oponent because their coach is dumb. It (the onside kick) creates a short field -- if executed successfully.
The flying finger is also classless, so you have 2 classless head coaches. Usually it's the assistants who are sometimes immature, not the ehad guy. I personally don't see anything wrong with Joe Glenn's pre-game comments other than they were stupid. They certainly didn't strike me as disrespectful. Oh well
old crimson | 9:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
"A strategy's" comments are 100 percent correct! Future opponents now have to work on all this stuff.

Who does not like to watch gadget plays? Will anybody argue that this year's fiesta bowl with Boise state and Oklahoma wasn't one of the most entertaining games ever? Remember the Stobart years and 5 yards and a cloud of dust? Utah was lucky to get 13,000 fans in the stands, all the while the TDS was sold out while putting on their arial circus. Hats off to Whit and Andy Ludwig for putting on a show! I for one am begging for more.
ute fan | 9:47 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Stop saying they ran up the score. Whitt was just practicing an onside kick because the game was already in hand. He might not have been thinking when he did it, but they were just practicing it for the New Mexico and BYU games. They haven't done one onside kick all year, and that was the perfect time to do it if you think about it. Plus how did they run up the score by only scoring ten points, what do you expect them to do, lay down and let WYOMING COME BACK AND WIN IN THE 2ND HALF. everyone needs to stop overreacting to this because it's not that big of a deal!
Damage control | 9:57 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Good damage control Whit, once you realized that you lost face with the rest of the coaches in the conference and college football. But somethings just can't be undone.
You make me laugh | 9:57 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Wyoming Classless? Did you actually watch the game? The finger gesture was a reaction to Whit's totally tasteless game plan. No one ever said Wyoming was a class act. They are Wyoming. Utah is supposed to be a classy organization. Trick plays after game was well in hand? Fake punt when up 26-0? Onside kick up 43-0? Surprised they didn't go for 2 points after each touchdown. The backlash against the Utes for being so classless will continue beyond this game. Not just form Y fans. That is to be expected. The kids watching this will get into their minds that Utes don't have class. Those type of things stick as they choose where to play their sports careers. Even my long time Ute fan neighbors are embarrased about this one.
knizst | 9:59 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I'm a BYU fan but I don't hold this against Coach Whittingham. There are two teams on the field and both are responsible for a lopsided score. If the Cowboys didn't want to be embarrassed by the score they should have played better. Maybe there should be a "skunk rule" or "mercy rule" like in ping-pong. If a team gets up by 40 points the game ends. Barring that I have no problem with the Utes scoring as many points as they can. Question - did Wyoming take out their first string and stop playing as hard as they could? Why should the winning team stop trying while the losing team continues to try hard? Finally, remember that this is just a game, not life and death. All that said, I hope the cougars can run up the score against the utes.
tdp | 10:01 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I find it interesting that people can be so negative about a person they have never met. Coach Whit is one of the most genuine classy people I have ever had the privilage to be around. When it is game day he is there to win, which by the way is just what he is paid to do. And to the coach who commentted earlier that he would no longer reccommend the U to his players: Oh if we could all be as perfect as you!!! Grow up, sounds to me as if you weren't pushing the U very hard in the first place.
Sputnik | 10:02 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
As a Utah transplant, all this U vs. Y banter kills me. I hail from Oregon, where the real college Civil War resides, and while there are extremists on each side, reason and objectiveness rarely takes a backseat to blatant homer-ism for your team.

I think the real story is how ridiculous Y fans are for calling Whitt "bush-league at best" when all he's doing is securing a win for his team with a whole half of football left to play! Get over yourselves, Cougs. Don't worry, I have plenty against the BYU homers too, but in this case Cougar fans need to realize that you don't win games and you ultimately let your players & fanbase down by "letting up" at inappropriate times. Anyone see what Manning and Indie did inthe Colts/Chargers game last night...in less than one quarter? The game is never over in collegiate and professional sports.
SportsFan | 10:09 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
What a poor and ugly thing to do. There was no reason to call an onside kick. There was nothing to prove. The game was in the bag. Somebody talked about class earlier and Whittingham has none. Honestly people, if you were a Wyoming coach would you have enough "class" to go out and shake hands! I think not. I wouldn't

Oh yeah, and why are Ute fans suddenly standing up to Whittingham. You wanted him gone just a month or so ago.
Realistic Ute Fan | 10:16 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
First I will say, the onside kick went too far. Kyle's emotions got the better of him. It shouldn't have happened but it did. He realized that after the fact.
Next point. Everyone out there saying that Utah is classless for running up the score should look back to the Lavell days. Happened week in and week out. Not to mention that Wyoming had the 6th best defense in the nation going into that game. This was not an Eastern Washington opponent. We removed all starters with 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Bronco doesn't pull his any sooner.
Utah ran the ball 18 of their last 19 plays. BYU never stops passing, even when a game is out of reach. That is just as classless as running trick plays and kicking onside kicks. Perhaps we only like to find the bad in other teams and overlook our own "classless" acts.
And I dare anyone to say that they haven't done something stupid in the heat of the moment when emotion reigns. He who is guiltless, let him cast the first stone...
re/coach | 10:19 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
to the coach who said he tells his QB to fumble or throw a pick, this isnt little league pal, you run the ball.
Texas Ute | 10:26 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Maybe Whit had an emotional relapse and thought he was still a Cougar at BYU.

Play the game til it's over. Never let up. Just ask the Texas Rangers, who scored 30 runs on Baltimore. The Lakers would score 200 on the Spurs if they could. This is much ado about nothing.
Emotions? | 10:36 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
That's a pretty lame excuse for calling an onside kick when your team is up 43-0. If you can't control your emotions at 43-0, you shouldn't be a head football coach, even of a pee-wee team.
Go Lobos!
TucsonUte | 10:37 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
How ironic all the BYU fans in here are talking about class when LaVell Edwards used to re-insert players like Marc Wilson to break NCAA records in games when BYU was winning by huge margins.

Glenn needed to be taken behind the woodshed. He'll think twice about running his mouth before playing the Utes next time.

Remember it is better to feared as a team than loved. Look where being loved gets the Chicago Cubs every year.
BYU Alum/Fan | 10:45 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I'm disturbed by all of the people piling on Coach Whittingham over this. I agree that it was an ill-advised decision, but he doesn't deserve this vitriol. Nothing against Bronco, but I'm one who still wishes Kyle would have taken the BYU job. I hated it when his dad jumped ship to the U and took the rest of the family with him. I'd like to see Kyle back at his alma mater.
question | 10:51 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
So when exactly in a game are you suppose to lay down. I am shocked people are upset about a fake punt in the first half when the utes are up 26 to 0. Haven't any of you seen teams come back from large deficits.

So when exactly are you suppose to lay down? 2nd quarter?
Biggest Loser Contest | 10:53 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Who cares? Wyoming shouldn't have guaranteed victory. Utes shouldn't have onside kicked with the score 43-0. Like there is a national champion in NCAA football anyway.

It's football, people! | 10:56 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
First, let me state that I am a true blue BYU fan and long-time season ticket holder. That said, I'd like to congratulate the Utes for their great victory, and Kyle Whittingham for a beautifully coached game, INCLUDING the onsides kick. I would've done exactly the same thing, because the funny thing is this: It's actually the job of the OTHER TEAM'S DEFENSE to prevent my team from scoring. I just don't understand why a coach should deny his own players a great moment for the tender FEELINGS of his opponent. Aren't they all D1 football players, or did I just stumble into a stadium of romper-room play buddies? It's nonsense. Furthermore, a struggling team can only learn when the weaknesses in their preparation/execution are exposed. If a coach calls off the dogs, tactical learning ends for the losing team at that moment. So, to the victor I say, "Play on!" And to the loser I say, "Fight harder, then learn from what you've seen!"
Where this U fan cont.. | 11:01 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I have admired Joe Glen from afar from his days at Montana and N Colorado and wish he would�ve ended up in SLC or Logan some day. He just seems like a down to earth, intense, rebel of a coach. Which make his guarantee no big surprise. My only disappointment was when asked about the finger, he didn�t respond � I was checking the wind for a possible field goal�. That would have been classic.
Fan Man | 11:09 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Dear Coach Whittingham,
According to byu fans and the local media, you are classless for running the imfamaous on-side kick. I believe you are sincere when you say that you made a mistake. I felt at the time it should not have been run. The same byu fans and media also believe that when you have a lead on another division I college team in the third quarter, you should quit running your plays and trying to score. It appears that scoring and preventing the other team from scoring is no longer the goal of the game. So, to appease said byu fans and media, for the next two games, and in the apparent bowl game, would you please just punt on every first down after you get a lead. Would you also just tell your kick returners to down the ball wherever they recieve a kick. It is apparently no longer right to try to advance the ball or score. Oh, and please don't ever try scoring more than 10 points in the second half again. You should have been punting on every first down! How dare you run plays that you had practiced all week! Classless... (tic)
Are you serious? | 11:11 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Coach Whit did exactly what should have been done, what is this good sportsmanship? College football is not little leage anymore... College football and professional footbal do differ but not by much when it comes to the coaching style. You play to win, and you do not quit playing especially in the 3rd quarter.

This is part of the game, if you are not coaching your team to the best of your abilities you better be able to take it when you get trashed up and down the field.

Football is pretty much a job for these athletes so when they are trained to do what they did they will not quit and same goes for the coach. I agree there is such thing as class in sports but after a "guarantee" what would you do? Lay down in the 3rd and act like we are playing backyard two hand touch? Not likely, you would run the score up on your little brother like the Utes did to the Cowboys.
utahkeith | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
Sorry to say folks, last year when Wyoming got 35 points they BACKED OFF! Utah poured it on continously through the third quarter, ON SIDE KICK at 43-0? What, fake punt at 33-0 wasn't it? Hook & ladder with a huge lead too? The forward handoff through the legs was brilliant, the lead wasn't that huge yet, so that was an awesome play, but the trouncing should have backed off at 40-0, and put in the back ups, or at least went to a steady running game without all the long pass plays and trickery which continued. IT WAS DISGRACEFUL! Enough said. Wittingham has been bashed by my wet noodle with 40 lashes and I am done with it, I hope every game they play the rest of the year has this last game remembered by the other team as if it was done to them, that might teach Kyle a lesson in what the Coaches Conduct and Ethic Code is all about! It was totally uncalled for, with that aside, nice game Utes.
Anonymous | 11:30 a.m. Nov. 12, 2007
I think it's blatantly stupid how people turned this onside kick call into an attack on Whittingham as a person; I'm a student at the Y and find it disgusting how Cougars fans are attacking the rival's coach for making a call that has no effect on them. This is not a BYU-Utah matter, it's a Wyoming-Utah matter. Whittingham apologized. I've lived in Ann Arbor and been a part of the Michigan-OSU rivalry, and THIS is classlessness: OSU coach Woody Hayes, with his team leading by 34 points, went for two against Michigan. When asked why, he said, "Because we couldn't go for three." I'm sure BYU fans wouldn't be that upset with a 50-0 win over the Cowboys this Saturday, even if an onside kick was involved. Stop demonizing the rival for what they do to other teams.

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