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Too bad this just became a battle of the rich versus the poor.
Would Utahns still hate the vouchers if the scholarships were withheld from the rich altogether, rather than being capped at $500?
The end does not justify the means, whatever the argument is for a well educated public. Use taxes should be used to fund education.
As a Mormon with kids I should respect the property rights of others. I will educate my kids without becoming a education welfare bum. If one refuses to pay the property tax, their home is STOLEN from them. So much for owning property or having property rights in Amerika. There should be shame involved when a predominate group thinks it can vote their way into their brother's pocket.
This vote will hurt school choice programs nationwide for years. The winners: Union leaders, school administrators, and college professors in colleges of education. The losers: Children, teachers, and taxpayers.
Uh, actually, that's exactly what it means. The vote wasn't even close! If you want to send your kid to a private school, fine. But don't expect tax payers to pony up the money for it.
What the vote meant was that if you don't think public roads are good enough, you'll have to pay for your own. The same is true with education.And as for Patrick Byrne, he needs to learn that sometimes he can be just plain wrong. Pouting after losing just looks petty.
4 points? What sport is this guy playing?
I don't agree with the "death sentence" comment either, however I do wonder how many of Utahns on both side of the issue actually read the language of the bill in question. Or even knew that it wasn't HB 148 that would have been implemented with a yes vote, but HB 174?
I think Utahns agreeing to continue pouring money down a rat hole shows how LITTLE Utahns care about children. Government schools, not public schools, Gorvernment schools have proven for years and years and billions of dollars later that what they really care most about in one thing...money for the teachers union and school administration. If the money "going to education" was actually going to EDUCATION, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But then why do I care? I can afford to send my kids to privately run schools without the vouchers.
But I do care. And Utahns should be really proud of their business as usual M.O. They'll pay the price in the long run...but then no one cares about the long run. It's about now. Enjoy.
Second, school choice advocates fail because they are to cowardly to aggressively point out the waste, fraud, and abuse in virtually every aspect of public education.
As an Illinois resident, I'm sure Utah Public Ed. is not as corrupt as our state, but an intellectually honest review of public education in America would lead any rational person to realize that any education system that focuses on building payroll, bureaucracy, and political clout over educating children is corrupt by nature.
Fund Children, not Districts and Bureaucracies.
When given a choice between smaller classrooms, with a more effective learning environment, and power the UEA chose power.
Only in the last days of the campaign did the voucher group make an effort to teach the public that the vouchers were means tested and not just a subsidy for the rich. Clearly the average person never felt like they could benefit from the vouchers.
When the public understands how badly they are being served by public education system and how little education students are getting, the vouchers will come back.
Having choice in how our children are educated is a good thing -- making sure that would be the best education is the difficult part.
I hope the legislature will not run from that challenge, but will involve both sides of this elections debate in coming up with an even better solution.
Noone disagrees that private schools provide a better and more tailored education, but public education in Utah is a pretty good way to go too.
We Utahns always have a choice. We aren't victims, and we don't need handouts. Everybody that wants an education is getting an education. The end.
Mr Curtis you may have just have to understand that Utah is no longer the Rank and file republicans.
Thank the Creater.
The UEA tactic seems to be, scare enough people and they wont notice that you have no argument or facts to support your point of view, and they will vote the way you want too. I wish people would think for themselves. Patrick Byrne, thank you for supporting something you believed in and donating until it hurt, for the children of Utah. You have my respect.
We looked at the issue, say it differently than they did and voted that way. We now need to follow us and be prepared to vote out of office any member of the legisature that tries to push their personal view and goes against the clear wishes of the people.
Schools have both fixed and variable costs. I'll bet the fixed costs are greater than the variable. Removing students from a school (and the associated funding, some now and all in 5 years) does nothing to reduce the fixed costs. They do not go away when the students do. I have never heard a voucher supported address this most important question.
Those elected by the public be warned...the people have spoken....and we were not fooled or confused by the union...we don't support vouchers! We are smart enough to make our own decision....and we did.
Seriously, maybe the legislature can finally do what they probably should have done in the first place--give a property tax exemption to parents who place their kids in private school. Let the parents keep their own money to educate their kids, but don't give them an additional handout.
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Just because Utahns voted against this specific voucher bill does not mean that they do not want school choice. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The fact that 1/3 of voters think the system needs major reform should give the public school system reason to reexamine their priorities. Unfortunately, this is not in the nature of monopolies.
Regardless, I'm confident that one day, the Legislature will create a school choice program that's acceptable to Utahns (despite the misinformation of the unions). And then, we'll finally have an education system that focuses on what's best for the child and not just the self serving interests of the system.