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Carl | 12:05 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Thanks to BYU Undergrad (11:32 AM) suggesting people read Harry Reid's talk.

Clark (11:40 AM) accurately represented the views of many of us who have lived outside Utah.

I never heard the vitriolic comments by or directed toward LDS Church members while living outside Utah before moving back to Utah. We have enjoyed the Sacrament Meetings in the Anaheim 3rd and 1st Wards and Barstow 1st and 2nd Wards where LDS members (as a whole) treat everyone more kindly than happens in too many places within Utah.

kd | 12:06 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I know for a fact that President Hinckley was quoted as saying the Iraq war "was a just one."
This of course, was way before certain facts such as no WMD's were ever found and many other conflicting facts came to light. Pardon my ignorance, but has President Hinckley mentioned anything since regarding this "just war?"

Gun Boats | 12:08 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I am sure he is a great church member and I can't judge him in that the arena nor should anyone else.

But he has been a lousy Senator and done little during his time as majority leader to improve our nation. I throw him in with Orrin Hatch who is another Mormon Senator that is lousy and done nothing great his past 3 terms.

I am sure there are better LDS men and women who could address the issues better for the USA if they were elected to office. Reid and Hatch need to retire yesterday.

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Kent | 12:13 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

My concern with Harry Reid is not that he is Democrat or even sees the world from a liberal perspective. My concern is twofold. First, he actively espouses far left wing ideaology and supports organizations that are totally against what the Gospel teaches. In his role as Senate Majority Leader, you have no idea that Mr. Reid is even LDS! Instead, he portrays himself as someone with values aligned with Moveon.org and those types of far left organizations. This is a big concern to me. Second, he is mean spirited. I have really been offended by some of the things he has called Pres. Bush. To publically call a man a lier doesn't seem to fit the teachings and values that we have as members of the Church. While speaking at BYU, he should have been asked some very tough questions about his positions. He can't have it both ways, namely, be an active LDS person but then support ideologies that are in direct opposition of what the Church teaches!

No Rocky Reid | 12:18 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Now theres two losers. Enough Said!

To Sen Reid: | 12:18 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Senator Reid, if you want people within your own religion to take you seriously, then start acting more like a member of your own faith!! That begins with your blatent anti-Bush personal attacks. How is that Christ-like? Then lets talk about your support of the pro-choice/pro-homosexual elements within your party. I mean, really, do you think active LDS voters will support your positions when you talk, act and vote completely on the opposite side of almost everyone within your own religion? And finally, stop hiding behind the feel-good, welfare, "womb to the tomb" mentality that your liberal Democratic party touts! Face it, the Dems don't want anyone to think for themselves unless it is in lock-step with them. That "keep em on the farm" thinking will kill this country.

kd | 12:25 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Hmmmm. Utter silence about President Hinckly ever saying anything contradicting his Iraq War being a just one statement.
Maybe Reid is on to something. Liberal, Dem, whatever. He most certainly is not speaking from some radical fringe, and the overwhelming non-approval ratings (what is it today - 70% or something?) would indicate the majority of America agrees with him.

Mary | 12:27 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I don't dislike Reid because he's liberal, but because he lies. He continually attacks President Bush in a nasty fashion. He took a comment of Rush Limbaugh's and made a total fabrication out of it. I am a Utah native living in Texas. My dream has always been for my grandchildren to go to BYU, but I hope they can find someplace safer for them to continue to have idealism and high morals.

Setting it straight in LV | 12:27 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

GWB, how poor your understanding of the pre-earth life is. There was no war to determine if we would have agency here or not. The war was who would follow Christ to earth and have agency. As if we all chose to follow Satan that Hev Father would say OKay, Let's try it without agency this time. So I guess the Lord is wrong by telling us what decisions to make re: Thou shalt not kill, steal, covet, adulterate, honor father, etc. You are off your rocker. And Mr. Let's Remember, Reid is not anti-abortion and he is pro-gay marraige. I know him, I and my family have watched him before he even ran for Federal office, and he continues to support those issues. He IS a chameleon and his side-stepping the issue by saying that the courts have decided the issue is exactly why he wants to block any Supreme Crt justice who may overturn the issue. They routinely overturn their decisions on many topics. And Mr Prof if you see war as a moral issue you need to read the Old Test and BOM more carefully: PHD. BTW multiple members of the 12 are reigned in often.

Bill | 12:33 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I agree with A.D. 34. I am also appalled at how some members of the church can be so easily led astray from the teachings of the church by those who "come in sheep's clothing". Reid's political views are a perfect example of what our prophets have been so valiantly warning us against in modern times "those who call good evil, and evil good". Reid and his parties' issues are a direct contradiction to Christ's teachings. I do not live in Utah, and yes, there are millions of us who live outside the state!

dh | 12:38 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I am a Republican and have never voted any other way for 30 years however after 8 years of Republican failures I am now listening more to people like Harry Ried and less to propaganda artists like Shawn Hannity. If the Dems would change their abortion and gay rights views I would switch parties in a heart beat. The Republican party has lost its way and is being controlled more and more but the right wing nut cases called the "christian right".

Keith | 12:38 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

This man is a disgrace to the United States of America. I am a practicing Latter-day Saint and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and I say loud and clear: Senator Harry Reid does not represent me as a service member nor as a committed member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He should be tried for treason and promptly removed from public office, so as to prevent any damage he may do our nations defense.
Shame on you Harry Reid and all like (or absent) minded followers. There are men and women fighting and dying for yours and the worlds freedom and all you can do is belittle their efforts. You all ought to be ashamed.

There's Hope Yet | 12:42 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Finally a topic of some real societal significance that draws more comments than the latest story about BYU sports. Perhaps there is hope for DN readers.

To BYUProf | 12:43 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

The faculty of BYU should follow the lead of the Brethren to not preach personal political opinions rather than the subject matter to which you are deemed expert. Many of the Universities in this country are already dominated by left-leaning educators who openly disparage and trample upon conservatism. Professors should check their political leanings at the classroom door and simply teach and educate, not politicize. When the faculty openly aligns themselves with a political ideology they render themselves less than neutral. They polarize the educational environment and stifle the free flow of thought and expression.

Anonymous | 12:45 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Tell me what the following have in common with the Republican party ..

anti-mormon propaganda
the Iraq War
out sourcing of jobs
failure to solve social security
tax breaks for the wealthy
immagration amnesty

Answer: EVERYTHING!!!

I used to be a Republican. No more. Until the Dem's change their abortion and gay marriage views I can't join with them either but I will say that both Harry Reid and President James E Faust ( also a democrat) make a lot more sense than the likes of Shawn Hannity and the nut cases that call themselves the religious right.

Funny | 12:49 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Wow, I am truly impressed at the amount of hate leveled by supposed good members of of the church against another. Of course he's a democrat so he should be excommunicated because it states quite clearly in 1 Nephi 2:14 "Woe unto the Liberals and Democrats for they are the minions of satan and are beyond redemption and are deserving of hatred and loathing beyond all reason." And wasn't it Alma the Younger that said "Hatred of those you disagree with is the portal to heaven"?

Anonymous | 12:51 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

You should be praising his name Keith, as a serviceman and especially as a Mormon. He dares to break free, not of the doctrines of Christ, but of the sub-cultural, man-made, constructions that are so often touted as doctrines. The church has given each of us (as members) full sway (in either direction, left or right) in the prerogative to go where our consciounses lead. Mine, and apparently Reid's, has led me away from a "war" (occupation?) that was ill-founded and will lead to nowhere but a terroris breading ground.

Renounce war, proclaim peace!

Name Calling All Around | 12:52 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Iï¿½m not so concerned about the vitriolic nature of the dialog that gets posted in response to a subject such as Senator Reidï¿½s visit to campus. Both political parties have their faults and short comings. Both have extreme elements that tend to dominate or hijack certain elements of their respective platforms. In the case of Senator Reid though, I quickly lost respect for him, as a person and political figure, shortly after his rise to prominence when he resorted to personal name calling and ad homonym attacks. He renders himself much less credible when he stoops to such antics. The recent example was using the Senate floor to attack Rush. Senator Reid is an intelligent and thoughtful person I'm sure, thus it is all the more astounding that he would take Rush out of context to such a degree, all in the name of advancing his own partyï¿½s political agenda. It reduces civil dialog and discourse to its lowest common denominator.

Beam Me Up Scottie! | 12:57 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I'm bewildered that there can be so much hate and discord among LDS members after such an uplifting and edifying General Conference. What a contrast! Perhaps many who have commented on this blog did not watch conference? Whatever happened to becoming a Zion people "of one heart and one mind"? What happened to trying to see other people's point of view? Are we so caught up in our own opinions that we can see clearly? President Hinckley has said: "We have been a very quarrelsome and difficult people in our conflicts one with another. We so need to turn to the Lord and look to Him." Annonymous blogs like this seem to bring out the worst in people. Would we rail on and ridicule each other and SHOUT at each other if we were all in the same room? If we could talk face to face, would we be more civil? Would we find that we really have quite a lot in common? Isn't America about compromise?

P.S. Oh, and by the way, I didn't leave the Republican party, it left me!

M. N. | 12:57 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Senator Reid is correct about the truly far right. They dispise the Mormon religion and have no problem denigrating our faith by telling us what we really believe; that we aren't Christains; and that we are going straight to Hell. They view all the good we do around the world as strictly vain acts of works. That why business savy people like Mitt Romney would have a hard time winning over the South - because of their views of Mormonism. They'll disguise their language by saying he's a flip-flopper but what they really want to say is, "I could never vote for a Mormon."

anonymous | 12:58 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Keith's posting above exemplifies the danger in America today. Disagreeing with the current Bush Doctrine gets you a "traitor" label. And these same poor NeoCon souls refuse to see the similarities between what is going on today and what happened in Fascist Germany and Italy. Is it presidential election time yet?

Reid Supporter | 12:59 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

If you love Bush because his is pro-life and against gay marriage, consider this: he has done nothing to prevent either. In fact gay marriage is now legal in Mass. and nothing has been done to reduce the abortion rate. Bush says he cares about these issues, but he does not.

Please also consider that the War looks more like a secret war to attain riches (Hel. 6: 17), than any sort of liberation. There is genocide in Darfur, bloodly demonstrations for democracy in Burma, proliferation of WMD, human rights abuses, etc. But Bush only sees big contracts for his buddies and lots of oil.

Please also consider that issues which are important to Reid, (education, health care, environment), are principles which are taught each Sunday.

I see absolutely no contradiction between being a liberal and being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Thank you Senator Reid for your speech.

2 cents plus | 1:05 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I used to be a democrate, until I got out of college and got a job. Then, my thoughts were tuned into the high taxes I paied out to support those that could work, but won't. Then I noticed the SSI deduction and was told "Don't worry. By the time YOU retire, it won't be around". No, I hear I might have to pay for irresponsible parents who choose to have cable TV, rather than purchase healthcare for their kids. Stop the train, let me off. I'm out of cash.

Yes, it is possible to be a good LDS and a liberal democrate. I've known many. Good people, yes. Misguided with my cash? Youbetcha.

Chris | 1:09 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

To Reid supporter: In sunday school, I learn how to be self sufficent, not dependent upon the church or government for my daily bread. Ried needs to re-visit this concept.

Secret war? LOL. AT least were not bombing asprin factories in the middle of the night.

and 3 more | 1:13 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

If reid wants healthcare nationalized, where will the candians go for their healthcare, when they can't get quick and adequate care in Candada? Ask Reid that one. Betcha you won't get a good answer.

Doug Brockbank | 1:13 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Harry Reid
- Says heï¿½s pro-life, but denounced Alito who help upheld a recent ban on partial birth abortions.
- Implies that Joseph Smith would be a liberal Democrat, and undermines President Benson, a past prophet, and Pres Wilkinson (formter president of BYU).
- Undermines the Churchï¿½s official position against abortion and support of a Constitutional Ammendment favoring a traditional definition of marriage by saying the Republican Party,ï¿½They have focused on just a few issues, flag-burning, gay marriage, abortionï¿½The country has gone beyond that to other issues.ï¿½
- While brave men and women fought in combat in Iraq called the Iraq war ï¿½lostï¿½ and called the commander in chief a ï¿½liarï¿½.
-Said Bush is driving people to the Democratic Party (even though he presides over a Democratic Congress that has a 14% approval rating while Bush's is at 34%)
- May fit the profile of who President Hinckley referred to in his General Conference talk ï¿½War and Peaceï¿½ by saying ï¿½It may even be that He will hold us responsible if we try to impede or hedge up the way of those who are involved in a contest with forces of evil and repression.ï¿½

Washington State Reader | 1:14 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

It continually amazes me to find LDS Republicans criticizing Senator Reed. Especially supporters of Mitt Romney.

Can't you see that Senator Reed is the balance to Governor Romney?

Most of the criticism of Governor Romney for being LDS can be handled by reference to Senator Reed.

It is absolutely wonderful to have two strong LDS leaders representing their paries at such high levels with very different views. It makes the statement from the 1st Presidency concerning the political neutraility of the Church concrete and real.

Clark | 1:15 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

To Beam Me Up Scottie: Amen! Here's for brotherhood and good will.

Setting it straight in LV | 1:21 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Reids definition of think instead of blindly follow is Rationalization, not reason w/study and faith. Faith is an action word, not blindness. If you've ever witnessed an abortion you would not call it agency. Perplexed is just that be/c the message of the BoM & Bible is If you take Christ & morality out of government, something very dangerous fills the void and we are witnessing it right now with our Socialistic experiment. What land swindling? As the misguided Ezra Benson said government's use of power is FORCE. Force to "legally" do as he wants while squashing all other's attempt to do the same and calling them "criminals." Reid is a known factor in NV. This is not backbiting, its front biting & this is what makes US great. BTW, it happens in other states also. Dave in Vegas, if you missed hate in teh Bible read Matt 3:7, 12:34, 23:33, 3:7 among others. Christ did not mince words with liars. Also, the religious right love the Mormon vote. They may not like their doctrinal beliefs but they LOVE the vote and the moral stances we have with them. BTW, Reid is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Watch his footsteps.

Never Forget | 1:28 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Reid is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.

Mormon and Republican? | 1:28 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Perhaps you can be a good Mormon and a good Republican, but you can't be a good Christian and a good Republican.

I'm amazed at the number of LDS who simplistically think that just because Democrats are "evil," Republicans are "good." Cuckoo! Time to wake up!

Korey Smith | 1:35 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I think that history has shown that whever a party in politics gains a majority, corruption becomes excessive. To a certain extent, I feel the Republican Party is now having troubles steming from this. If for no other reason then to keep the Republican Party in check, I feel that it is good to have a opposing views represented in our political system. However, the modern Democratic Party has lately leaned so far to the left they are representing views that I feel our morally corrupt and eccentric. All one has to do is listen to the verbal abuse that the leadership in the Democratic Party regularly speaks about people of religion. Tune into any left leaning radio talk show and it is common place to ridicule God worshiping people. The Democratic Party has become a party that promotes values that are detrimental to families, Our Society, and Religion. They do this under the guise of "Freedom of Speech and Expression." Their talking point word called "Progressive" is none other then then word "Degressive" in disguise. Harry, in the words of Luke Skywalker "Come back from the Dark Side!!"

Destiny | 1:37 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Why is it when conservatives voice their opinions, it's always hate speech or judging others? All the while the liberals can call names and spew malicious vile until the cows come home and they are the darlings of the Democratic party. I think that the volume of response to Reid's appearance at BYU is a testament to why he should not have been invited. The Church teaches us to avoid contention as far as Church doctrine. By the way, I think many of you are using this discussion as a forum for expressing your anti-Mormon feelings and really couldn't care less about Senator Reid. I'm just glad he is not in my Ward. I can't imagine having him for a Sunday School teacher. I'm LDS conservative, a Rush Limbaugh, Hannity fan and proud of it! As for you Jack Mormons, go on loving Senator Reid; we'll leave the judgement to the Lord. The gospel does not teach support of abortion and gay rights. READ the Proclamation to the Family.

Looking in from the Outside | 1:42 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

All of the "Rush Limbaugh-sounding Utahns" are embarrassing to the Church. The Church (fortunately) now had more members outside the U.S. than inside and more in non-Utah states than inside Utah - so there is a "watering down effect" of the "Utah Mormon Caricatures" that seem to be all too real in here... How can you publicly judge Senator Reid in terms of his spirituality, testimony or conviction? You can judge him all you want on his stated political views and on how he votes in the Senate, but you are straying into dangerous territory by judging him "unfit" for membership in his Church. If you polled Church membership worldwide, I guarantee that you'll garner a wide spectrum of political views, with more in the "center" than anywhere else. There would appear to be both "good and bad" in both of your parties. Instead of being so polarized, I'd suggest more of you get involved with BOTH parties and work to influence them to "do good".

John Tate | 1:51 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Q- What coalition has 3 members?
A- The one representing Religion and Family Values at the Democratic National Covention!

Congratualations Harry for hanging in there. As for me and my house, we will serve Lord.

LVCK | 1:55 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Reid is the titular head of the Democratic Party-- a party that embraces gays, lesbians, abortions, socialism, anti-gun ownership and anti-family values. The party that believes that what's mine is yours. The party of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Rosie O'Donnell. The party the Hollywood elite support. Yep, that's the party most Mormons want to belong to--the party Reid believes the majority of Mormons will belong to. Not.

How Sad | 2:00 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

How unbelievealy sad that so much ill-will could be directed towards a brother in the gospel, considered worthy by his priesthood leaders to enter the temple, whose children have atteneded BYU, served missions, and been sealed in the temple to worthy companions.

No gosepl principle condones or authorizes such hatred, no matter how cautiously it is presented, nor does the Church's strict political neutrality serve as the basis for such behavior.

Seems to me that in our politics, as with so many other areas of our lives, we would all benefit from reading and rereading the 121st Section of the Doctrine and Covenants, paying particular attention to the last 25 verses, and trying our best to ask, introspectively, how those words can have meaning in our lives.

If Senator Reid or any of his family members or firends were to make it this far in this blogging thread, please know there are many readers here full of respect and admiration for thoses of both political parties who do the best they can to improve our Nation. Thank you!

Judy | 2:17 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

This is directed to those of you who think Harry Reid's position on abortion and gays is okay. The homosexual powers that be will not end with wanting acceptance they are going to see to it that our children will be taught this from kindergarten on up.That it's okay and if you think otherwise. You and your familys will be charged with a hatecrime. Barney Frank has already seen that law put into effect with the help of the like of darling Harry Reid &TED Kennedy. Wake up you people. The wolf is at the door.

Only in Utah | 2:20 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I am constantly amazed at the narrow, self-righteous world view that members of the church have in Utah. Please, get a grip. May I please remind you that the church is NOT against abortions as a whole; they are against abortions for the wrong reasons. You need to stop listening to the right-wing whack-jobs. We should be the first people standing up for safe, legal abortions, under the proper circumstances.

Additionally, have you so soon forgotten how the saints were persecuted in the 1800's. How can you, in good conscience, dictate morality to other people? If you don't support gay marriage, don't have one. Otherwise, you are simply jumping on the same bandwagon as those who drove the saints into the wilderness because they didn't want a "deviant" religous group in their otherwise pure land.

Do us all a favor and think before you launch into your diatribe.

Kirk | 2:20 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I have no problem with church members being Democrats. What gets me is Reid's assertion that the only reason many members of the church are conservatives is because of church leaders that have "taken us down that path." In my opinion, that just isn't accurate and it's very offensive. It's also very silly since the church doesn't endorse a party and there are church leaders that are Democrats. Most church members are conservative because the philosophy aligns much more closely with what they believe, and not just regarding moral issues. The other thing I disagree with is Reid's criticism of those that believe that the issues of abortion and gay marriage are more important than global warming. I'm sorry, I think that those issues are way more important. And not because any leader has told me to think that way.

Judging Senator Reid | 2:29 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Last year the LDS church leadership took a strong stand for a constitutional amendment to define marriage as being only between a man and a woman. In fact, they issued a statement that was read in all the congregations in the U.S urging members to contact their representatives in the Senate and urge them to vote for this Amendment? Now I ask you, how did Senator Reid vote for this important piece of legislation that the LDS Church took an official public position on? He voted against it.

I'd like to put this in context. The scriptures have many examples where the prophets of God went to the leaders of government with inspired counsel for the benefit of mankind. And now this just happened in our modern day society and what did our esteemed LDS senator say to the prophets? He told them he believes he knows more that they do and he took the adversarial position. In my opinion he's going to have some answering to do in the next life for his wrong decisions.

"Where much is given, much is required."

KMAC | 2:33 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Re: Dave in Vegas...

Claiming that ALL Utah Mormon's act and think the way you claim they do seems pretty judgmental to me. I think the narrowmindedness of any "group" tends to come from a vocal minority. Most Utah Mormons do think for themselves and treat others with respect.

dennis | 2:32 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

No, Kirk. Reid was referring to government leaders taking us down the wrong path. But Rush Limbaugh, no doubt would soundly agree with you in an attempt to make the other side look bad.

MikeD | 2:39 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

To "Only in Utah",
Perhaps you should read the official position. The last time I read it, it advised counsel with your Bishop and the Lord before having an abortion.
Now, how often is the Lord going to authorize an abortion?

anonymous | 2:40 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

When people learn to mind their own business, the world will be a better place.

Marc | 2:46 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Expressing a big "Thank You" to BYU for inviting Harry Reid to address the students and faculty. We should be grateful to them for bringing to us prominent people who choose to share their successful life stories and as a bonus choose to share a sincere personal testimony of his or her beliefs. We should all appreciate, (no matter our political views), Mr. Reid's generosity in beginning with feelings that mattered most to him. Any additional opinions expressed by Mr. Reid are his personal viewpoints that we can simply choose to accept or reject. They are certainly secondary to those expressions that mattered most. It's really that simple. For anyone to ridicule him, or anyone else, for sharing their personal or political views is not Christlike. Rather, shouldn't we emulate Christ's example, as President Samuelson and other BYU staff members did, by showing equal respect to all invited guest speakers, as in this case by extending an invitation to Mr. Reid as they previously had done for Mr. Chenney. Our BYU president is a shinning example for us all to follow.

dennis | 2:53 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I wholeheartedly agree with you KMAC. The problem is that there is a subgroup in Utah that has become so enamored with "Democrats cannot possibly be good Mormons" that these fools actually believe it. It's no wonder so many of them tune in each day to hear offensive and divisive remarks from Rush Limbaugh.

abortion question | 2:57 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

Can someone please reconcile this for me:
1) Conservative Republicans are, for the most part, against abortion.
2) Conservative Republicans do not support teaching sex education in schools or making birth control readily accessible to teens.
3) The crime rate plummeted after abortion was legalized in the United States.
4) Many who seek an abortion are lower income Americans and/or young teens.
5) Conservative Republicans HATE social service programs that aid these families.

So isn't this logic essentially forcing those who should not be parents or those who cannot afford a child to do so?

Dave in Vegas | 3:00 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

You went to Vegas to understand Jesus?

Did you find him at the casino's, strip clubs, or the houses of ill repute?

The spirit goes where the spirit is Welcome. I have been to Vegas. Not the best place to find the lord.

JROD | 3:01 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007

I think most comments are being mis-interpreted...
being a conservative Republican and clear open minded, have lived in various other coutries, it is not a matter of being a close minded Utahan... we as LDS live as we do, not because we are told or because we are threatened..we do live as we do and abide by the priciples and standards because we elect to live this way and we see the most fit way to live and raise a family. Our prophet Joseph Smith once said... We teach them the priciples and they govern themselves. Yes, we should do our part as citizens and members and vote against the so called " popular open minded" we should stand for what is right and deep down inside even the liberals know they are wrong and in sin, but they try to take as many down as they can. As our current prophet said many times...as Jesus says, we do not hate the sinners, but we hate the sin, and we all know perfectly clear what is right and what is wrong.

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