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Candy | 5:55 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Let's lead out in this area. I'd really like to see our State be on
the cutting edge and show how it can be done.
Lester Gavin | 7:59 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Our brilliant govenator...
Let's see... The polar ICE cap on Mars first
The North American Ice sheet 18,000 years ago...
Yep, must be us.
Let's see... The polar ICE cap on Mars first
The North American Ice sheet 18,000 years ago...
Yep, must be us.
Audrey Graham | 8:29 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Unbelievably, at the recent meeting of county commissioners and council members
with the Utah Association of Counties, several comments were made about the
"myth" of global climate change. One presenter (with Questar Gas)
stated that Utah could go without lights or driving starting tomorrow and still
not make a difference in the global climate picture. Well duh, we don't
have a huge percentage of the world population, does that mean we should do
nothing, or worse, continue to INCREASE our use of non-renewable,
carbon-producing energy? He further stated that all the "easy" sources
of natural gas have been tapped in Utah. So we will need many more wells to tap
the remaining "pockets" of gas. It will get much more expensive (not
to mention environmentally harmful) to exploit this resource. Yet he scoffed at
renewable energy sources. Isn't it lovely to know what our local leaders
are hearing in "scientific" presentations given by energy companies?
In general, our county commissions are so behind the times it is frightening.
Get involved!
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SomeGuy | 8:33 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
If those crazy cavemen hadn't starting driving SUV's 18,000 years ago,
then we would still be in an Ice Age, right? How else can that be explained?
We do need to take more responsibility today for pollution for health reasons though.
We do need to take more responsibility today for pollution for health reasons though.
James | 8:47 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
The Governator is right!
As for leading out on this issue, it has been done. The European Union studied the impact of implementing the Kyoto Protocol; let's deal with facts, that is what the Governor signed.
The EU study is available online. Just google it. I would post a link here but the moderator would censor it.
The EU study shows that at a minimum it will cost Utah 65,000 jobs and $3-4 billion in lost wages! It has been estimated that the Kyoto Protocal would hit the US harder, so those numbers would only increase.
Last week I attended my 5th Republican delegate meeting around the state. We had 49 Republican delegates show up in Salt Lake county. We surveyed them and they were equal in their support of Cannon, Christensen, Jacob, Cook, etc. 46 of them agreed to campaign against John Huntsman. Same in other counties.
We do not want to lead out on this issue. Unless Candy is willing to be the first to give up her job.
Oh, and the EU report shows that even with full implementation it did NOTHING to adjust the weather. And cap and trade is a scam worse than Haliburton.
As for leading out on this issue, it has been done. The European Union studied the impact of implementing the Kyoto Protocol; let's deal with facts, that is what the Governor signed.
The EU study is available online. Just google it. I would post a link here but the moderator would censor it.
The EU study shows that at a minimum it will cost Utah 65,000 jobs and $3-4 billion in lost wages! It has been estimated that the Kyoto Protocal would hit the US harder, so those numbers would only increase.
Last week I attended my 5th Republican delegate meeting around the state. We had 49 Republican delegates show up in Salt Lake county. We surveyed them and they were equal in their support of Cannon, Christensen, Jacob, Cook, etc. 46 of them agreed to campaign against John Huntsman. Same in other counties.
We do not want to lead out on this issue. Unless Candy is willing to be the first to give up her job.
Oh, and the EU report shows that even with full implementation it did NOTHING to adjust the weather. And cap and trade is a scam worse than Haliburton.
Matt | 9:21 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
He scoffed, because Utah is not in a position to benefit from renewable energy.
Utah is not able to benefit from geothermal, biomass or ethanol. Wind isn't
really an option, because we rank at the bottom of capacity, and solar, while
available, is so expensive our electric rates would more than triple. Think with
your minds, not just with what Al Gore tells us.
The article says that the Utah BRAC felt that 'humans caused global warming', when in fact, the Utah BRAC just repeated what was in the IPCC report, of which there are many critics. Balance is needed in our approach or our economy will go in the toilet. But enviro's don't care about that. Nature will take care of us all! How come the only mayor's on this Utah committee were from the four most liberal areas, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, Park City and Moab. Hardly representative.
The article says that the Utah BRAC felt that 'humans caused global warming', when in fact, the Utah BRAC just repeated what was in the IPCC report, of which there are many critics. Balance is needed in our approach or our economy will go in the toilet. But enviro's don't care about that. Nature will take care of us all! How come the only mayor's on this Utah committee were from the four most liberal areas, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake County, Park City and Moab. Hardly representative.
Willow | 9:23 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
The point everyone is missing is that each person can make a few small changes
in their lives and collectively it can and will make a huge difference. You
don't have to give everything up and hug trees. Use your clothes dryer
less; use a reel mower (I love mine!) instead of the gas-emitting sort; use
energy-efficient light bulbs, appliances, etc.; turn off your lights when
you're not using them; plan your errands to make the most efficient route
possible; car pool or ride the bus/TRAX once in a while; recycle everything you
can; be aware of your purchases and where they come from and make
environmentally-conscious choices whenever possible; the list goes on and on of
small things we can all do to help make a difference and we wouldn't be
sacrificing our day-to-day comforts all that much. Choose a few things and start
making a difference today.
Bravo Hunstman | 9:29 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Whether or not you believe global warming exists is actually not all that
relevant. There are two absolutely indisputable facts that should cause
EVERYONE to want to find alternative sources of energy:
1. Fossil fuels cause us to be dependent on the Middle East (and the wackjobs that govern it) to supply our energy needs.
2. Fossil fuels (even the cleanest burning) create pollution. Pollution is ugly and bad for your health.
I support Huntsman's efforts because he's trying to solve these problems in a sensible way.
1. Fossil fuels cause us to be dependent on the Middle East (and the wackjobs that govern it) to supply our energy needs.
2. Fossil fuels (even the cleanest burning) create pollution. Pollution is ugly and bad for your health.
I support Huntsman's efforts because he's trying to solve these problems in a sensible way.
Anonymous | 9:32 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
I am so glad that Utah has finally caught up with California in being not only
ahead of the curve but over the edge in this. The report could have praised and
supported the only relible and proven energy source but we cannot mention the
use of attomic fuel to generate electricity.
Steve Glaser | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
The question isn't whether nature can change the climate. We all agree it
can. The issue is whether people can also change the climate, and the answer to
that appears to be yes. Why would we want to risk making our planet a much
worse place to live?
And cutting are energy use really isn't so hard. Take someone who drives 15,000 miles per year in a 20 mpg car. If they cut out 3,000 miles by carpooling and trade up to a 30 mpg vehicle, they would us almost 50% less gas. Piece of cake.
James: since when did the fact that France wasn't able to do something mean that we can't succeed? I still like to think that we're the leaders of the free world. We just have to quit wringing our hands and get to work.
And cutting are energy use really isn't so hard. Take someone who drives 15,000 miles per year in a 20 mpg car. If they cut out 3,000 miles by carpooling and trade up to a 30 mpg vehicle, they would us almost 50% less gas. Piece of cake.
James: since when did the fact that France wasn't able to do something mean that we can't succeed? I still like to think that we're the leaders of the free world. We just have to quit wringing our hands and get to work.
Science is complicated | 9:41 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
There are so many factors that contribute to climate change that to blame the
whole thing on human factors is an oversimplification.
To state that changing everything on our part will make it all better is also an oversimplification with a touch of human arrogance.
I think that we need to look at other factors such as urbanization here in the west. Utah has never had the type of industry we find elsewhere in the US so if Utah is more greatly affected by global warming than other areas doesn't this suggest that there might be factors other than greenhouse gases?
For example, has anyone ever noticed that in the summer time, you can walk on the grass in your bare feet but you can not walk on the street? Isn't replacing tress and grassland with buidings and roads contributing to climate change? I think if we don't consider it, we may be making a big mistake.
To state that changing everything on our part will make it all better is also an oversimplification with a touch of human arrogance.
I think that we need to look at other factors such as urbanization here in the west. Utah has never had the type of industry we find elsewhere in the US so if Utah is more greatly affected by global warming than other areas doesn't this suggest that there might be factors other than greenhouse gases?
For example, has anyone ever noticed that in the summer time, you can walk on the grass in your bare feet but you can not walk on the street? Isn't replacing tress and grassland with buidings and roads contributing to climate change? I think if we don't consider it, we may be making a big mistake.
LazyEdna | 9:46 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
We need a moratorium on any new coal fired power plants in the state.... as
Idaho did several years ago. Building coal fired power plants in Utah, to
provide power to other states, is a lose lose proposition for the residents of
Utah.
If your county commissioners are as backward as those in Sevier County.. VOTE THEM OUT. We did get rid of one of our troglodytes last election and hopefully will be replacing another in the next primary.
If your county commissioners are as backward as those in Sevier County.. VOTE THEM OUT. We did get rid of one of our troglodytes last election and hopefully will be replacing another in the next primary.
Nick | 10:17 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Taking climate change seriously doesn't have to mean wrecking our economy.
Since Germany passed its clean fuels initiatives in 2000 they've generated
hundreds of thousands of new jobs in new industries relating to clean, renewable
energy. We can do likewise.
To make this happen we need to make it more convenient to live closer to our jobs and take advantage of public transit. It's called land use planning.
The efficiency of solar panels is going up and the number of ways to get them cheaply onto your roofs is growing rapidly. There are companies that charge you _nothing_ to install solar panels on your roof and then sell the electricity back to you at the same rate or less than you're currently paying PacificCorp. At night or when its cloudy, you're on the grid, but on a hot July day, your AC is powered by the sun, not coal.
Changing the way you light your office & home can make a significant difference in your monthly electricity consumption. Compact fluorescent bulbs.
Rethink your priorities.
Get going - it's all doable and you'll be surprised by how painless it is to make a significant reduction in your carbon emissions.
To make this happen we need to make it more convenient to live closer to our jobs and take advantage of public transit. It's called land use planning.
The efficiency of solar panels is going up and the number of ways to get them cheaply onto your roofs is growing rapidly. There are companies that charge you _nothing_ to install solar panels on your roof and then sell the electricity back to you at the same rate or less than you're currently paying PacificCorp. At night or when its cloudy, you're on the grid, but on a hot July day, your AC is powered by the sun, not coal.
Changing the way you light your office & home can make a significant difference in your monthly electricity consumption. Compact fluorescent bulbs.
Rethink your priorities.
Get going - it's all doable and you'll be surprised by how painless it is to make a significant reduction in your carbon emissions.
GOVERNMENT KNOWS BEST | 10:32 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
I think we all just need to sit back and let government handle this. Whatever
they decide will be right, because they are smarter than us all. If they tell me
to stop driving between Noon and 5, then I will, because I am a good little
sheep. If they tell me to walk to work instead of drive, or to ride on a train
that I pay for with tax dollars, then I will, because I know nothing about the
climate. That is what those experts in white coats get paid for.. to think for
us.
They have no hidden agenda, nothing like; if I scare the people about Global Warming then my 'research' will be more important and I will get patted on the back and my name will get spoken with important people.
Most climate scientists work for the government, and they only want what is best for the people and I trust my government. They have never done anything to serve themselves.
They have no hidden agenda, nothing like; if I scare the people about Global Warming then my 'research' will be more important and I will get patted on the back and my name will get spoken with important people.
Most climate scientists work for the government, and they only want what is best for the people and I trust my government. They have never done anything to serve themselves.
ROCKY's AMAZING COSTUME! | 10:37 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
I thought this stuff only happend in the movies...like Mission Impossible, but I
can see that I was wrong.
It is amazing how Rocky Anderson can put on a mask, some different clothes and all of a sudden he becomes Gov. Huntsman.
I wonder where he has put the real Huntsman? Maybe the liberals have him locked in a box somewhere.
They were so smart to wait until after the election before they kidnapped him. That way, Huntsman could say all the right Republican things, and then as soon as he was elected...BAM! They swopped in and nabbed him.
Rocky must have a hard time pulling it off, into Huntsman mode a one time in the day, then back to his old self.
The best part of the plan is; he does not have to stop spewing liberal positions.
It is amazing how Rocky Anderson can put on a mask, some different clothes and all of a sudden he becomes Gov. Huntsman.
I wonder where he has put the real Huntsman? Maybe the liberals have him locked in a box somewhere.
They were so smart to wait until after the election before they kidnapped him. That way, Huntsman could say all the right Republican things, and then as soon as he was elected...BAM! They swopped in and nabbed him.
Rocky must have a hard time pulling it off, into Huntsman mode a one time in the day, then back to his old self.
The best part of the plan is; he does not have to stop spewing liberal positions.
James | 11:00 a.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Steve Glaser, you mention France and that sums up the EU?
And as for the attitude that we can do it better: Holy cow! A definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. And what are we going to different then the EU? They are restricting production, energy consumption, etc - driving prices higher and higher with absolutely no affect. So for us to do it differently is to basically head towards the stone ages? And guess what, it still won't stop the earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.
Huntsman is a nice guy who fooled us worse than Mike Leavitt did. Steve, are you willing to quite your job today and get in the unemployment line with 65,000 other people? And bare in mind, you will not alter the earth's natural cycles. Are you willing to put your family in poverty over this? But it is Ok to expect 65,000 Utahns to?
This is the single biggest hoax in the history of man, and the Governator has bought into it. Until Steve Glaser and John Huntsman are willing to give up all they have in poverty, it is hypocritical.
And as for the attitude that we can do it better: Holy cow! A definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. And what are we going to different then the EU? They are restricting production, energy consumption, etc - driving prices higher and higher with absolutely no affect. So for us to do it differently is to basically head towards the stone ages? And guess what, it still won't stop the earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.
Huntsman is a nice guy who fooled us worse than Mike Leavitt did. Steve, are you willing to quite your job today and get in the unemployment line with 65,000 other people? And bare in mind, you will not alter the earth's natural cycles. Are you willing to put your family in poverty over this? But it is Ok to expect 65,000 Utahns to?
This is the single biggest hoax in the history of man, and the Governator has bought into it. Until Steve Glaser and John Huntsman are willing to give up all they have in poverty, it is hypocritical.
Nick | 12:18 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Who says global climate change is a hoax? Limbaugh, Hannity? O'Reiley? You
guys need better sources of information.
It's time to turn off the talk radio blowhards.
This is what _thousands_ of professional climatoligists, meteorologists, oceanographers and biologists are saying in their peer-reviewed research published in professional science journals:
1) Global climate change is happening, and the speed of these changes is such that it is extremely difficult for many of the world's species to adapt to their new environments - homo sapiens being among them.
2) The explosive growth in our global burning of fossil fuels in the past 75 years is causally connected to the climate change we're experiencing.
The threat of "you'll all lose your jobs if you curb the use of fossil fuels!" is cynical hokum created by the fossil fuels industry.
It's by _not_ taking this issue seriously and making necessary changes that we create the greatest risk to our economy.
Somehow I don't think that "We used to have the greatest snow on Earth" is much of a sales pitch to tourists.
It's time to turn off the talk radio blowhards.
This is what _thousands_ of professional climatoligists, meteorologists, oceanographers and biologists are saying in their peer-reviewed research published in professional science journals:
1) Global climate change is happening, and the speed of these changes is such that it is extremely difficult for many of the world's species to adapt to their new environments - homo sapiens being among them.
2) The explosive growth in our global burning of fossil fuels in the past 75 years is causally connected to the climate change we're experiencing.
The threat of "you'll all lose your jobs if you curb the use of fossil fuels!" is cynical hokum created by the fossil fuels industry.
It's by _not_ taking this issue seriously and making necessary changes that we create the greatest risk to our economy.
Somehow I don't think that "We used to have the greatest snow on Earth" is much of a sales pitch to tourists.
Okay, you first | 12:51 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Nick, what have YOU done to siginficantly reduce YOUR carbon footprint?
Like all environmentalists, I suspect it consists of largely symbolic gestures designed to simultaneously make you feel good AND give you something to bash your neighbors with.
When Governor Huntsman proposes closing down Daddy's chemical plants in order to reduce his carbon footprint (his entire fortune has been built on fossil fuels) then maybe I'll consider buying hybrid cars that I can't afford on my current budget in order to reduce mine.
Like all environmentalists, I suspect it consists of largely symbolic gestures designed to simultaneously make you feel good AND give you something to bash your neighbors with.
When Governor Huntsman proposes closing down Daddy's chemical plants in order to reduce his carbon footprint (his entire fortune has been built on fossil fuels) then maybe I'll consider buying hybrid cars that I can't afford on my current budget in order to reduce mine.
James | 12:55 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Nick, I like most Americans do not listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, etc - ever. So
you will need to find another association to villify.
Let me give a quick run down of the experts who say that there is not evidence to say either any warming trend is occuring, and if so man is causing it.
Heidelberg appeal, 425 climatologists basically beg for reason in this discussion, as oppose to chicken little approach.
Leipzig Declaration in which 85 world reknowed scientologists state there is no association.
Gallop poll of North American climatologists related to this field of search and 83% do not support the greehouse gas theory.
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine draft a petition, circulated to experts in this area - declaring that no scientific evidence between greenhouse gases and global warming. 17,000 sign the petition.
60 leading climatologists in Canada go on record begging the Canadian Prime Minister to not give into the scare.
Professor Bob Carter, a geologist at James Cook University, Queensland, Australia, says the global warming theory is neither environmental or scientific, but rather, "a self-created political fiasco."
Throw in a month ago we learn that NASA has been cooking the numbers.
Want more?
Let me give a quick run down of the experts who say that there is not evidence to say either any warming trend is occuring, and if so man is causing it.
Heidelberg appeal, 425 climatologists basically beg for reason in this discussion, as oppose to chicken little approach.
Leipzig Declaration in which 85 world reknowed scientologists state there is no association.
Gallop poll of North American climatologists related to this field of search and 83% do not support the greehouse gas theory.
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine draft a petition, circulated to experts in this area - declaring that no scientific evidence between greenhouse gases and global warming. 17,000 sign the petition.
60 leading climatologists in Canada go on record begging the Canadian Prime Minister to not give into the scare.
Professor Bob Carter, a geologist at James Cook University, Queensland, Australia, says the global warming theory is neither environmental or scientific, but rather, "a self-created political fiasco."
Throw in a month ago we learn that NASA has been cooking the numbers.
Want more?
Global what? | 1:17 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Again, WHO CARES about global warming? Everyone's rants on global warming
are turning attention away from the real issue. Pollution stinks! Gas prices
stink! Fanatical Arab dictators stink!
How anybody on either side of the global warming debate can want to maintain the status quo is absolutely mind boggling! We need alternate sources of energy before gas is $10/gallon (I'm connected to the oil business - trust me, it's coming in the next few years).
How anybody on either side of the global warming debate can want to maintain the status quo is absolutely mind boggling! We need alternate sources of energy before gas is $10/gallon (I'm connected to the oil business - trust me, it's coming in the next few years).
James | 1:18 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
And Nick, over the last 23 years scientists used satellites to measure the
earths temperature. It is hyper accurate down to 0.01 C degree. They measure not
only the surface temperature but the lower troposphere. According to the
greenhouse gas theory of global warming this should increase dramatically, and
quicker than surface temperature.
Over the last 23 years no warming. This is verified through balloon readings.
And I did not say everyone is going to lose their job. This comes from an EU report, with numbers based upon census and economic data out of the Governors office of Economic planning. You may or may not be one of the 65,000 to lose their job. It is sad that without so much as a vote the Governator can administratively implement Kyoto and cost those 65,000 jobs!
Over the last 23 years no warming. This is verified through balloon readings.
And I did not say everyone is going to lose their job. This comes from an EU report, with numbers based upon census and economic data out of the Governors office of Economic planning. You may or may not be one of the 65,000 to lose their job. It is sad that without so much as a vote the Governator can administratively implement Kyoto and cost those 65,000 jobs!
Steve Glaser | 4:38 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
What have I done so far? Last year my family used about 185 gallons of gas. We
didn't make any major sacrifices. We just drove two fuel efficient cars
and decided when it made sense to drive versus take the bus versus walk or bike.
We get all of our electricity from wind power. Next up is tackling our natural
gas consumption.
With regards to the reality of global warming, a lot of the 'facts' being cited are way off. For example, Professor Christy (U. of Alabama, and a global warming skeptic to boot) acknowledges that satellite data demonstrates that the earth is indeed warming.
But rather than all of us experts having a great debate on the science, let's put it this way: 15 years ago, it was reasonable to conclude that the chance that global warming was real was as low as 10% or as high as 90%. With even a 10% chance that we're making the earth a much worse place to live, shouldn't we at least conserve? And now remember that most (not all, but most) of the data since then supports the concept that we have a real climate change problem on our hands.
With regards to the reality of global warming, a lot of the 'facts' being cited are way off. For example, Professor Christy (U. of Alabama, and a global warming skeptic to boot) acknowledges that satellite data demonstrates that the earth is indeed warming.
But rather than all of us experts having a great debate on the science, let's put it this way: 15 years ago, it was reasonable to conclude that the chance that global warming was real was as low as 10% or as high as 90%. With even a 10% chance that we're making the earth a much worse place to live, shouldn't we at least conserve? And now remember that most (not all, but most) of the data since then supports the concept that we have a real climate change problem on our hands.
Nick | 6:02 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
What have I done?
I reduced my business' consumption of electricity by 10% through straightforward conservation measures. By the end of the year I hope to have done even better.
We're installing a significant solar panel system that should be good for another 10% reduction in our use of utility electricity when it comes on line next year.
I got rid of my 12 mpg SUV and now drive a much smaller diesel vehicle, which I fuel with 50% bio-diesel from a local Sinclair station.
I bought enough "blue skies" (renewable energy) units from Rocky Mountain Power to cover my home's use of electricity. It adds a little to my monthly bill, but I think it's worth it.
I'm in negotiations with a company to put 4kW of solar panels on the roof of my home. I don't pay for the panels, I only pay them for the power coming off my roof at the same price I'm paying for power from RMP.
My quality of life hasn't diminished a whit, and neither will yours when you take your own steps to reduce carbon emission.
Satisfied?
I reduced my business' consumption of electricity by 10% through straightforward conservation measures. By the end of the year I hope to have done even better.
We're installing a significant solar panel system that should be good for another 10% reduction in our use of utility electricity when it comes on line next year.
I got rid of my 12 mpg SUV and now drive a much smaller diesel vehicle, which I fuel with 50% bio-diesel from a local Sinclair station.
I bought enough "blue skies" (renewable energy) units from Rocky Mountain Power to cover my home's use of electricity. It adds a little to my monthly bill, but I think it's worth it.
I'm in negotiations with a company to put 4kW of solar panels on the roof of my home. I don't pay for the panels, I only pay them for the power coming off my roof at the same price I'm paying for power from RMP.
My quality of life hasn't diminished a whit, and neither will yours when you take your own steps to reduce carbon emission.
Satisfied?
James | 11:13 p.m. Oct. 10, 2007
Nick, good that you are walking the talk.
When we talk of warming what needs to be taken into consideration is that of the warming and cooling patterns that are evidenced throughout history.
There are very reliable ways to check this including tree rings, oxygen residual levels, etc. And when looked within proper context, this is why 17,000 scientists have signed the petition.
As for the satellite, that has not modified anything beyond the normal patterns established over the past thousands of years. And the lower troposphere is not heating as the scare tactics say.
As for the temperature increases the past 100 years most of the increase happened prior to 1940, which is the year that industrialization really took off. So when mans is producing less, the temp goes up the most. We produce more and the temp has actually slowed down. And in either case during the 1300's it was significantly warmer than it is now, by several degrees. No SUVs back then.
Finding alternate sources of energy is great, and advisable. Solar panels, capcitators, etc great. Hammering our economy over bogus science that most climatologists do not agree on, bad.
When we talk of warming what needs to be taken into consideration is that of the warming and cooling patterns that are evidenced throughout history.
There are very reliable ways to check this including tree rings, oxygen residual levels, etc. And when looked within proper context, this is why 17,000 scientists have signed the petition.
As for the satellite, that has not modified anything beyond the normal patterns established over the past thousands of years. And the lower troposphere is not heating as the scare tactics say.
As for the temperature increases the past 100 years most of the increase happened prior to 1940, which is the year that industrialization really took off. So when mans is producing less, the temp goes up the most. We produce more and the temp has actually slowed down. And in either case during the 1300's it was significantly warmer than it is now, by several degrees. No SUVs back then.
Finding alternate sources of energy is great, and advisable. Solar panels, capcitators, etc great. Hammering our economy over bogus science that most climatologists do not agree on, bad.
Mark Whitney | 11:29 a.m. Oct. 11, 2007
The best thing anyone can do to combat global warming is to obtain copies of
that report and burn them. FREE THE CARBON!
Mark Whitney
Sandy
Mark Whitney
Sandy
Mark Whitney | 11:59 a.m. Oct. 11, 2007
An important victory has just been scored against AGW alarmism and in, of all
places, alarmist England. Their High Court ruled that Gore's AIT may be
shown in classrooms, but teachers must inform the students that the film is
political in nature and one-sided. The students must aso be specifically
informed of eleven major innacuracies presented by Gore. Teachers failing to do
so are in violation of law. It's a start.
Mark Whitney
Sandy
Mark Whitney
Sandy
Nick | 12:43 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007
James,
Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Read the IPCC report. I mean really READ it.
As to the "17,000" signatures - that's hysterical. You're quoting the "Oregon Petition" which is right up there with the Flat Earth Society.
Google it up and see for yourself. See who the people are who are floating that laughable "petition" and find out who's funding them. Also take a look at the "scientists" who signed it. It's hysterical. (Gosh, I had no idea the Spice Girls were climatologists!)
Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.
Read the IPCC report. I mean really READ it.
As to the "17,000" signatures - that's hysterical. You're quoting the "Oregon Petition" which is right up there with the Flat Earth Society.
Google it up and see for yourself. See who the people are who are floating that laughable "petition" and find out who's funding them. Also take a look at the "scientists" who signed it. It's hysterical. (Gosh, I had no idea the Spice Girls were climatologists!)
Mark Whitney | 6:18 p.m. Oct. 11, 2007
Get it right, Nick
The Oregon Petition was a carefully screened campaign that actually garnered more than 19,000 signatures. More than 17,000 were verified, though a sloppy and dishonest attempt was made by environmental groups to sabotage the petition. More than 2000 climate scientists and directly related researchers were signagtories.
You obviously know nothing of the science itself, so you spout long discarded rhetoric and personal attacks.
Mark Whitney
Sandy
The Oregon Petition was a carefully screened campaign that actually garnered more than 19,000 signatures. More than 17,000 were verified, though a sloppy and dishonest attempt was made by environmental groups to sabotage the petition. More than 2000 climate scientists and directly related researchers were signagtories.
You obviously know nothing of the science itself, so you spout long discarded rhetoric and personal attacks.
Mark Whitney
Sandy
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