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Guitarboy | 2:23 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Troubled - your last sentence hit the nail on the head, and bears repeating:
"How can we trust our own US media to report accurately about the Middle
East and Islam when they can't even get the facts straight about
Utah???"
Answer we can trust some in the media and not others, but we cannot always know which ones, therefore: verify first, and let us not necessarily believe what we read or hear, but hold the information in reserve as a possibility.
Answer we can trust some in the media and not others, but we cannot always know which ones, therefore: verify first, and let us not necessarily believe what we read or hear, but hold the information in reserve as a possibility.
Luis | 2:31 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I am a latino living in Utah, and although i ain't mormon, if they would
have asked me to describe mormons in one word I would have said
"dedicated" they are dedicated to their beliefs and practice em. Even
though there have been times where mormons judged me, treated me inferior to
them, and dagwed and said bad things about my religion in my face, I think
they're for the most part great people.
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grammaC | 7:23 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Troubled: Very good points made in your comments.
I do agree that the media is partly to blame for creating misperceptions. After all the years since polygomy was abolished, people still associate it the LDS Church; especially since there has been so much focus on polygomy practiced by the FLDS Church. Some people cannot separate the two churches, yet they are worlds apart in beliefs and practices. No one in the LDS Church has ever been asked to do anything illegal; i.e. not to pay property tax. We believe in honoring and sustaining the laws of the land; and those of who live our religion will always be honest in our dealings.
In my experience, very few people [who aren't members of the LDS Church] truly understand what we believe. There are so many misperceptions out there; but I have seen many people overcome them, and even become members of the Church. It requires study and prayer by those who want to know the truth about our beliefs.
It's amazing that most negative thoughts are created by people who know very little about the doctrine, and those who don't understand our other scriptures along with the Bible.
I do agree that the media is partly to blame for creating misperceptions. After all the years since polygomy was abolished, people still associate it the LDS Church; especially since there has been so much focus on polygomy practiced by the FLDS Church. Some people cannot separate the two churches, yet they are worlds apart in beliefs and practices. No one in the LDS Church has ever been asked to do anything illegal; i.e. not to pay property tax. We believe in honoring and sustaining the laws of the land; and those of who live our religion will always be honest in our dealings.
In my experience, very few people [who aren't members of the LDS Church] truly understand what we believe. There are so many misperceptions out there; but I have seen many people overcome them, and even become members of the Church. It requires study and prayer by those who want to know the truth about our beliefs.
It's amazing that most negative thoughts are created by people who know very little about the doctrine, and those who don't understand our other scriptures along with the Bible.
Fritz | 8:34 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Luis, For the rude and inconsiderate members of the LDS church I apologize.
Thank you for your kind words.
I agree with the other thoughts expressed here as well. When you consider all the prejudice and hate over the years, doesn't it all come down to misunderstanding? This applies whether you talk about race, religion, nationality, or whatever.
I agree with the other thoughts expressed here as well. When you consider all the prejudice and hate over the years, doesn't it all come down to misunderstanding? This applies whether you talk about race, religion, nationality, or whatever.
Back In Utah | 8:52 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
After having served as a senior missionary on Temple Square I heard daily about
peoples perceptions of the Church. Most Europeans, and many US citizens, still
believe we practice polygamy and really don't believe in Christ. After
they take a tour with the Sister Missionaries they come back and say they have a
whole new understanding of the Church. I translated for a group of german
toursists who were rather irate that the AAA guide in Germany classifies the LDS
Church as a cult. They said that after what they have seen the LDS Church is no
cult in anyway.
The media in order to get readers often misrepresent the Church's views and do a very poor job of reserching. Often they go to apostates or excommunicated members to find out "what the Church really believes". We often see the national media show Warren Jeffs picture with the Salt Lake Temple in the background, thus making people think the two are complicite (sp).
If the media could start doing their job many would have a different view of the Church.
The media in order to get readers often misrepresent the Church's views and do a very poor job of reserching. Often they go to apostates or excommunicated members to find out "what the Church really believes". We often see the national media show Warren Jeffs picture with the Salt Lake Temple in the background, thus making people think the two are complicite (sp).
If the media could start doing their job many would have a different view of the Church.
Obi wan liberali | 9:09 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I think even Mormons often don't know much about their own religion and
it's history. It is easy to get a glorified view of your own religion and
view others with a certain disdain. Are Mormons Christian? In my view yes, but
they certainly aren't mainstream or "Nicene" Christians. They
have a different interpretation for the role of Jesus, his life, death and
sacrifice. As an atheist, I don't ascribe to either view, but I think it
is important for both parties to recognize those differences and come to grips
with what those difference mean in terms of a life view.
Anonymous | 9:13 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Ok, so we know the media misrepresents Mormons. Butthis article also said
Muslims. I for one know fully especially from what i hear around me that the
real problem is people not knowing little to no accurate information on one of
the most predominant beliefs out there..Muslims. Try to think outside your
world. What you think is bad portrayls of Mormons compares to nothing of what
people portray Muslims as.
John | 9:13 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
While I understand the positions you have stated, I hold responsible the
'Mormon' people for their own misunderstanding. Too often people in
the LDS faith are unwilling to disperse these misconceptions. I have found that
many people especially here in Utah, are deeply entrenched in their own
self-interest. They may be good people, but how will people know unless they are
willing to share their beliefs?
A | 9:24 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
BACK IN UTAH - If the media WOULD start doing their job many would have
different view of a lot of things. I really believe the media with the way they
slant the news - depending on what THEY want to show, are one of the biggest
problems this country has!
DC | 9:32 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I am a returned missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
and I am very grateful for people of all faiths and denominations. It is so
easy to want to remove the "mote" in other people's eyes, and not
consider the "beam" in our own eye.
Just for clarification, I do not believe in polgamy (nor has the church for over 100 years), I have a wife and 3 kids, I believe that men are women are created equal, and that people of all colors and races are children of God.
Just for clarification, I do not believe in polgamy (nor has the church for over 100 years), I have a wife and 3 kids, I believe that men are women are created equal, and that people of all colors and races are children of God.
AZwildcat | 9:54 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Interesting article. I don't know a lot about mormonism myself, but I have
heard they believe they can become 'gods'. I have always understood
Christianity to be monotheistic, can anyone clarify? Thanks-
from the East | 10:07 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
"How can we trust our own US media to report accurately about the Middle
East and Islam when they can't even get the facts straight about
Utah???"
I think it is hard for Utahns who have lived here their whole life to understand that outside of Utah, no one thinks about Utah. Our entire state population is less than most states single major city. Before coming to Utah, I had never met a mormon missionary and did not know that LDS and Mormon meant the same thing. Outside of Utah, all things pertaining to Utah are a mere blip on the radar... if that.
I think it is hard for Utahns who have lived here their whole life to understand that outside of Utah, no one thinks about Utah. Our entire state population is less than most states single major city. Before coming to Utah, I had never met a mormon missionary and did not know that LDS and Mormon meant the same thing. Outside of Utah, all things pertaining to Utah are a mere blip on the radar... if that.
Walkon | 10:18 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
The mormon church needs to remember that the FLDS church made a difficult
decision when it chose to retain polygamy. #1 The Celestial order was a
prophesy. The decision to recsind it was not. #2 Wilford Woodruff and many
others ignored their own manifesto, stating that it was only a way of avoiding
trouble with the govt. AND gaining statehood. Polygamy is part of the LDS
history, and although it is no longer practiced it was started by the church.
CJ | 10:18 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I find it hilarious that these finding which are comparing one's religion
to another is gathered from people who don't even know their own. I think
that speaks volumes about the strenght of these findings and how much people are
willing to yak about things they know nothing about.
Frank | 10:27 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
The research doesn't surprise me at all. As an avid studier of world
religions I was shocked to hear sterotypes and flagrant misrepresentation of
basic Muslim beliefs come from the mouth of my very own family. In these
situations the positive information included in the declarations of the
church(lds) and Ensign posted and repeated over the past few years can be key in
showing the similarities between mainstream Muslims and both Christians and
Jews.
Christian | 10:33 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I too have heard that LDS will eventually become as 'gods' & can
also bring there wives up to their heavenly father. I do not believe in this
nor do I believe that they should be adding to the bible.
Walkon | 10:33 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Interesting how the LDS church is identified by two things; Polygamy and the
word of wisdom. Many non members know little else about the church
Roy Roberts | 10:33 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I live in Alabama and there are "Letters to the editor" against the
LDS Church every week in a weekly newspaper. Our Bishop advised us "to just
ignore the articles and to not respond to them"
Correct information should be sent to the newspapers. The news media wants information about the church, If the church leaders do not provide correct info then I guess we deserve what we get.
Correct information should be sent to the newspapers. The news media wants information about the church, If the church leaders do not provide correct info then I guess we deserve what we get.
K.D. Smith | 10:35 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
John,
You know the old saying, "Can't have your cake and eat it too"?
Well, it seems that most non-Mormons that I have met give out the same old rhetoric about Mormons
"Trying to force others to believe as they do, or are trying to "cram Mormonism down the throats" of non-Mormons.
And then, there are others like yourself, who criticize the church, declaring, "How can we know of Mormonism if they won't share their beliefs".
And then, of course there are those who are so ignorant as to claim that Mormons are not Christians.
It would seem they haven't quite figured out that there is a reason why the Mormon faith is called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
Duhhhhhh!
You know the old saying, "Can't have your cake and eat it too"?
Well, it seems that most non-Mormons that I have met give out the same old rhetoric about Mormons
"Trying to force others to believe as they do, or are trying to "cram Mormonism down the throats" of non-Mormons.
And then, there are others like yourself, who criticize the church, declaring, "How can we know of Mormonism if they won't share their beliefs".
And then, of course there are those who are so ignorant as to claim that Mormons are not Christians.
It would seem they haven't quite figured out that there is a reason why the Mormon faith is called "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".
Duhhhhhh!
Thomas | 10:35 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
AZ -- Christianity *is* monotheistic -- at least, kinda sorta. The Christian
doctrine of the Trinity is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct
persons who are yet -- somehow -- considered one God. Muslims and Jews would
look at this and call Christians polytheists who are trying to "spin"
their polytheism into monotheism.
The Mormon take on the Trinity (which they call the "Godhead" really isn't that fundamentally different. Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and separate beings, who nevertheless can be considered one God. The differences between the Mormon Godhead and the traditional Trinity are a big deal to Mormons and Protestants -- but again, non-Christians would look at the differences and scratch their heads wondering what the argument is about. Basically, both Mormons and other Christians believe that the persons of the Trinity/members of the Godhead are simultaneously distinct and united; the only differences lie in the precise nature of their unity.
Since all of us are more or less speculating on very abstract matters, the argument is pretty pointless.
(cont. below)
The Mormon take on the Trinity (which they call the "Godhead" really isn't that fundamentally different. Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and separate beings, who nevertheless can be considered one God. The differences between the Mormon Godhead and the traditional Trinity are a big deal to Mormons and Protestants -- but again, non-Christians would look at the differences and scratch their heads wondering what the argument is about. Basically, both Mormons and other Christians believe that the persons of the Trinity/members of the Godhead are simultaneously distinct and united; the only differences lie in the precise nature of their unity.
Since all of us are more or less speculating on very abstract matters, the argument is pretty pointless.
(cont. below)
"mormon" | 10:37 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
AZwildcat,
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes that just as God created the world in which we live, if we live according to our faith, we in fact can be exalted to become like him, and become Gods of our own Worlds. I know it is probably confusing, but if you go to www.mormon.org you can learn more about it. I hope this helps.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes that just as God created the world in which we live, if we live according to our faith, we in fact can be exalted to become like him, and become Gods of our own Worlds. I know it is probably confusing, but if you go to www.mormon.org you can learn more about it. I hope this helps.
BA | 10:40 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
AZ, find a missionary, they will clear things up for you.
Comment moderator | 10:56 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
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Ken Baguley | 10:57 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
First, Luis, you're wonderful...AZwildcat...God is our father and He wants
us to become like Him that's why we have rules for life...The commandments.
Read the following and get the message from Him John10:34, Psalms 82:6, Deut.
14:1, and First John or I John 3:2. Our reward for obedience is Eternal Life
and we will receive "All the Father has".
Joshua | 11:05 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Although the LDS church does not currently practice polygamy, it is still a part
of our religion. We believe it was a correct practice for the time, and that
the time may come when again it may be the correct practice. Polygamy also
plays a part in our theology in sealing. If a man is sealed to a woman, and
then she dies, he can still be sealed to another woman. We believe if all
parties are faithful, they will live in a polygamous marriage for all eternity.
That is our current doctrine. A woman may not be sealed to another man unless
the sealing is nullified with the first husband, even if the husband is dead,
because we believe a woman cannot have more than one husband in the eternities.
So polygamy is still a very crucial part of our theology.
Re; Christian | 11:07 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Interesting term "bring their wives up to their Heavenly Father."
What does that mean?
We believe that families can be eternal units. I think I would find that doctrine to be a comfort to know that after death, that marriages can last, and losing a child doesn't mean they're gone forever.
By the way the "adding to the Bible" thing is old. That scripture is in Revelations, interesting to note that revelations was not the last book written, so does that mean all other's written after it are false? I know it's put last, but it wasn't the last written. John meant we can neither add nor take-away from what God says, that we cannot change truth, I believe that to be true as well.
So either Joseph Smith is a prophet of God or he isn't. It all lies right there, if He was a prophet, then the book of mormon is true and Gordon B. Hinckley is a prophet, or it is all a fraud. Personally, I believe it.
We believe that families can be eternal units. I think I would find that doctrine to be a comfort to know that after death, that marriages can last, and losing a child doesn't mean they're gone forever.
By the way the "adding to the Bible" thing is old. That scripture is in Revelations, interesting to note that revelations was not the last book written, so does that mean all other's written after it are false? I know it's put last, but it wasn't the last written. John meant we can neither add nor take-away from what God says, that we cannot change truth, I believe that to be true as well.
So either Joseph Smith is a prophet of God or he isn't. It all lies right there, if He was a prophet, then the book of mormon is true and Gordon B. Hinckley is a prophet, or it is all a fraud. Personally, I believe it.
samhill | 11:23 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
To "DC" and any others who wonder about the status of the policy of
plural marriage within the LDS church, I would like to point that it is the
PRACTICE of plural marriage (the term preferred to polygamy) that has been
suspended, not the belief in it.
If my understanding of the LDS doctrine is correct, it is still part of what is considered a "new and everlasting covenant" and reminiscent of the practice by Old Testament prophets. The practice is simply against the current and 100+ year-old policy. Furthermore, if one is found engaging in it now, an offense worthy of excommunication.
So, I think it is valid to still associate plural marriage with the LDS church so long as it is also understood to be something whose current practice is considered off limits.
If my understanding of the LDS doctrine is correct, it is still part of what is considered a "new and everlasting covenant" and reminiscent of the practice by Old Testament prophets. The practice is simply against the current and 100+ year-old policy. Furthermore, if one is found engaging in it now, an offense worthy of excommunication.
So, I think it is valid to still associate plural marriage with the LDS church so long as it is also understood to be something whose current practice is considered off limits.
mormons & muslims | 11:37 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
here are actually many parallels between Mormons and Muslims. Both were started
by a new prophet who claimed to receive revelation from god. Both prophets were
not particularly educated and defenders of both faiths use this to justify the
truth of their religion. Both the Koran and the Book of Mormon borrow
extensively from the bible. Polygamy is a part of both religions and both are
criticized for their treatment of women.
AZ resident | 11:48 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
AZ Wildcat & Christian,
I would just like to complement you on actually asking the question of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes, rather than making assumptions. As a member of the LDS Faith, I appreciate people who share their beliefs openly with me and are willing to ask me what I believe when they are curious.
I hope your questions were answered and that you can come away with the understanding that, while many Christian churches (including the LDS church) have some doctrinal differences, we believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior and Redeemer of world.
Thanks again.
I would just like to complement you on actually asking the question of what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes, rather than making assumptions. As a member of the LDS Faith, I appreciate people who share their beliefs openly with me and are willing to ask me what I believe when they are curious.
I hope your questions were answered and that you can come away with the understanding that, while many Christian churches (including the LDS church) have some doctrinal differences, we believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior and Redeemer of world.
Thanks again.
STORY | 11:49 a.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I LIVE IN ST GEORGE MY WIFE AND GO DOWN TO THE SENIOR CENTER ONCE IN A WHILE TO
HAVE DINNER A WOMEN WE MET SHARED A STORY WITH US.SHE SAID I COME FROM THE SOUTH
AND MY DAUGHTER MARRIED A MORMAN,SHE SAID I WAS READY TO KICK HER OUT OF THE
FAMILY.SOON AFTERWARD MY HUSBAND DIED.MY DAUGHTER INVITED ME OUT TO STAY WITH
HER IN SANTA CLARA.SHE SAID TO MY SURPRISE I MET SOME OF THE NICEST PEOPLE SHE
SAID I WAS SURE WRONG ABOUT THE MORMANS. I WONDER HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE IN THE
SOUTH HAVE THE SAME IMPRESSION
Silver Fox | 12:10 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
What purpose does this kind of generally uninformed dialogue do to serve the
general public? Who does it benefit? The newspaper publisher? The spiteful
people who dislike Mormons and Muslins? The advertisers on this web site? The
individuals who sell the advertising on commission? My personal opinion is that
so many uninformed short comments does little to advance the interest of a
society.
Troubled | 12:18 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I commend anyone of the LDS (or other faiths) who have read up on Islam or any
other religion for that matter. There are some excellent books examining world
religions in a positive light. I have found people in Middle Eastern countries
to be some of the best hosts and often eager to share their beliefs. Most I have
met are interested in knowing something about my beliefs as well. Besides that,
their culture and history are fascinating and often shed some light on a shared
history. I find I learn the most about my history when studying others.
Re: mormons & muslims | 12:26 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
...and so do Catholics and Mormons, and Baptists and Muslims, and believe it or
not even Baptists and Mormons! That's one of the major points of the study
isn't it? The fact that most people consider their religions vastly
different from everyone elses indicates the truth of the statement in the
article that people know little about there own faith and even less about the
faith of others.
Any Muslims out there? | 12:29 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I would like to hear from a practicing Muslim out there. What would you like us
to know about what you believe? What insight can you share to help us understand
your faith more accurately?
TM | 12:49 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I grew up outside of Utah. It was interesting that being one of only two LDS
boys in the elementary school everyone knew what standards I was to live by and
even if I had wanted to be stupid and smoke and drink they would not have let
me.
Alabama was very tolerant of other religons. They were many students at the colleges that were of many faiths that were not Christian and they were recieved well.
The one faith that was very disliked in the south was Catholic. I never met a Catholic that had grown up there. They were there because of a job or someother reason and most moved away after a few years in the south.
Alabama was very tolerant of other religons. They were many students at the colleges that were of many faiths that were not Christian and they were recieved well.
The one faith that was very disliked in the south was Catholic. I never met a Catholic that had grown up there. They were there because of a job or someother reason and most moved away after a few years in the south.
hi there | 1:32 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
No one should talk ill of any religion, we are all equal. if you want the truth
on a certain faith, don't look for it in the media or others opinions.
Every church has representatives that are practiceing their religion and can
tell you the real facts.
SMH | 1:34 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I have a friend, Tanseem, a devout Muslim woman. She has 4 kids, and wears the
robes and Hijab. I asked her once what it was like to be a Muslim in post 9/11
America. She started to cry. She says the persecution is relentless. The
glares, stares, snide comments, and rude customer service they receive. And she
doesn't know what to tell her daughters when they ask why people are so
mean to them. It infuriates her how Muslims are judged based on the actions of
radical terrorists who have skewed the teachings of the Koran so much that to
her she doesn't consider them true Muslim. She feels it shameful that many
of her Muslim friends named "Mohammad" have changed their names, or
simply go by "Mo", because they are treated like a terrorist if they
go by the name of their Prophet. She just cried, and I really felt for her. At
that time the misconceptions I have about Muslim beliefs no longer mattered.
Because I saw a woman, and friend, a wife and mother who wants exactly what I
want. To have happiness in life for her family, no matter what religion we each
adhere to.
YouCantSpellMoroniWithoutMoron | 1:45 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I wonder which religion has committed more murders in the name of its
advancement?
SFC RET DENNIS | 2:04 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
AZwildcat: If you look in the Bible, New Testament I belive, one of the Apasels
(sp)of Jesus, said, "As you are now God once was, as God is now you can
become".
John, we do try to get the word out about our belifes, the problum is that most people just don't wont to hear anything we have to say or they just don't belive what is said. I know, I have tryed to help people know that what they thank our church is about is wrong, they just don't wont to belive because their minister told them what we belive and there fore what we say is a wrong or a lie or just trying to cover up what "they belive" is the truth.
John, we do try to get the word out about our belifes, the problum is that most people just don't wont to hear anything we have to say or they just don't belive what is said. I know, I have tryed to help people know that what they thank our church is about is wrong, they just don't wont to belive because their minister told them what we belive and there fore what we say is a wrong or a lie or just trying to cover up what "they belive" is the truth.
SFC RET DENNIS | 2:24 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
CHRISTION, You are making assumptions about the Mormons, we do not add to the
Bible, if you will read the dead sea scrolls you will find a lot of what we
believe is in the dead sea scrolls. The dead sea scrolls were written by Moses,
and Abraham. The Jesuit priests head the scrolls and as such was never
incorporate in to the bible when at the end of the dark ages a king called all
his advisors to gather and formed, what I understand, the Roman Catholics
Church. The History Chanel had a segment on the Dead Sea scrolls and how the
Jesuit's hid up the scrolls.
To SFC RET DENNIS | 2:42 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
That statement is not in the Bible nor in any LDS scripture either.
It is a statement from Lorenzo Snow, an LDS prophet.
Is it any wonder that those outside of the LDS faith haven't heard it?
It is a statement from Lorenzo Snow, an LDS prophet.
Is it any wonder that those outside of the LDS faith haven't heard it?
SFC RET DENNIS | 2:46 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
SMH: Codo's to you, it is good to know others beliefs. As a leader in the
US Army, I tried to understand the belief system of each of those placed under
me so I could help them based on their fath, not mine. I love to talk about
religion, my, yours, our religion in general. I will never argue and never tell
someone they are wrong. One of our Articles of Faith, the 11th, states,
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the
dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them
worship how, where, or what they may. Contenus net
YouCantSpellUneducatedWithoutNed | 2:47 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Hey Ned,
I think the religion of atheism is the answer...you know...Hitler/Stalin/Mao. Hope that helps ;)
I think the religion of atheism is the answer...you know...Hitler/Stalin/Mao. Hope that helps ;)
AJ | 2:50 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
Joshua,
Have you ever head of milk before meat?? You are just confusing the issue.
Have you ever head of milk before meat?? You are just confusing the issue.
SFC | 2:50 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
You're quoting Lorenzo Snow, not the Bible.
I thought I would let you know politely before someone jumped you on this.
I thought I would let you know politely before someone jumped you on this.
new to UT | 4:08 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I know when I talk to people back home they continually ask, "so how many
wives do you have now". I really don't think that many people actually
believe that the church condones polygamy but since they were once associated
with it, it is the first thing people bring up. And really, 100 years isn't
that long ago when it comes to religion so I assume that will continue to be an
issue. I wonder how many missionarys would rate that as the #1 thing they get
asked when working out of state? I agree with some posts above...the missionarys
seem to have a negative conotation along with them that they are trying to force
their beliefs on non-mormons...I appreciate SFC Ret Dennis' comment.
optimist | 4:25 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I believe in the God, the son, and the holy spirit as stated in the Holy Bible.
I believe it the 10 commandments. I believe that Jesus died on the cross so
that all mankind will be saved and have eternal life. That includes all
Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Musleums, Hindus, Buddahs, Atheist,
Ignostics, and all others regardless of the catagory that someone might be put
into. Why else, would Jesus go through so much pain. The other details I am
not concerned with. I believe that many of us are living our burning hell right
now on earth. Look at Darfu. Look at many of our own homeless. Look at all
the challenged people in the world. I can not conceive of a loving just God,
father of us all, having any of his children burn in a real fire for eternity.
But if so, than so be it. That is not what is important to me. What is
important is that we love
God, Obey his commandments, and do onto others as we would have them do onto us, is what is really all that is important. Why bicker over dogma? Why must we set ourselves as different?
God, Obey his commandments, and do onto others as we would have them do onto us, is what is really all that is important. Why bicker over dogma? Why must we set ourselves as different?
Mark Heaton | 5:20 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
I've found the missionaries that come through my east coast neighborhood
every now and then to be very friendly and courteous. They are retired folks
and have a gentle way of answering the questions that I pose. I add this
because I think its a wonderful way to introduce the world to the LDS religion.
I enjoyed the books they left, but the DVDs are a little scary and could
probably be dropped.
Bart H | 5:29 p.m. Sept. 26, 2007
It is interesting to me that after ten of thousands of LDS Missionaries have
shared LDS doctrine to homes throughout the country, and after decades of weekly
broadcasts and concerts by the Tabernacle Choir (America's Choir I have
heard them called) that polygamy is still what most people in America think of
when asked what they know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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