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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 12 2007 12:37 a.m. MDT

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Matt

I wouldn't call that much of an apology - not a sincere one anyway. More PR than anything else. Take responsibility. Isn't that what our "leaders" have taught us? I guess it's 'do as we say, not as we do'.

Sad.

arc

The Church didn't say anything new. They have said for years it was local church leaders. Read the actual comments. Pretty bad when both papers puts the same spin on what was said.

bob

Come on, people. This event happened 150 years ago. No one alive today was responsible. It's like asking people to apologize for slavery or for the use of atomic weapons.

The context of the times was a highly emotional, difficult time, in that the LDS people had been chased from several states by mobs and many LDS people viewed themselves as God's only chosen people. Blame on both sides.

How about we look forward, not back. Not much to be gained by name calling and finger pointing at this point. The LDS Church has committed to honoring the victims by keeping up the monument. That's a big step.


leixurong

Anything the church could say at this point is going to taste like PR; the thing happened 150 years ago! There's not much else to say, especially now that it's been made "official." Hopefully people someday will let this rest and consider the fact that maybe there's nothing more to know than what has been brought to light. 150 years after the fact, it's unlikely that conspiracy theorists are going to dig up anything new, and hostile speculation is just going to keep wounds open.

Darwin N. Davis

President Hinckley made this exact same apology over 12 years ago. How many more times will the Church need to apologize?
It was 150 years ago and Brigham Young nor any other general church authority had anything to do with it. Should the general Church need to apologize again and again? I don't believe they should.
There is no spin. Just the facts. The local Church leaders made a horrible mistake. Can't we just move on?
I don't see the same folks who harp on the Church for the MMM, insisting that the State of Missouri apologize again and again for the murder of my ancestor at Haun's Mill;or the rape and plunder of other ancestors at Far West.
It seems as if there will always be a double standard with those who love to demean the Church. Should we expect anything less from hypocrites like that?
I suppose not.

yawn...

The statement goes much farther than necessary. Why should church leadership today apologize and express regret AGAIN & AGAIN for something local leaders did 150 years ago? As expected, it won't be enough for those who keep demanding this unwarranted apology. Sad to see yokels with a distinct anti-mormon agenda using the apology issue as a smokescreen to try and batter the church. Real original. It's pathetic, and an utterly tacky use and abuse of the real tragedy that happened at Mountain Meadows.

Shaun Williams

I am not sure just what people want in the way of an apology, ashes and sackcloth? a public flogging? prehaps people need to be more willing to let the past be the past and be more willing to forgive. I am not sure what good it does to hold onto hateful feelings for 150 years. I am Native American and although some horrible and unspeakable things happened to my people, I don't dwell on it and hold a grudge, I have gotten over it and my life moved on. I feel for those who lost loved ones in that tragic event, let the past be the past. I would suggest that you move on and walk in the light of forgivness and let healing now take place. The church has readily acknowledged that what took place was wrong, I don't know what else you honestly expect the church to do. The past is the past let it remain as such and take the apology that was issued and be at peace.
Shaun Williams

DMC

Tell me - How can an apology be given or accepted when no living being on this planet is guilty of the offense! An apology by the LDS Church! I should hope not, but only a union of sorrow for the tragic massacre that occured at Mountain Meadows. The circumstances surrounding this event are inextractable from its' context one hundred fifty years into the future and even if they were, I did not commit this crime, did you? Where then lies the value of an apology?

Dalfurn

I commend the church leaders for stepping up and recognizing that it was church members who committed this horrific and tragic event. However, we should look at the church's teachings as a whole. We can not in society continue to judge an entire faith based on a few members actions. Are all muslims bad because of few radicals who have also commited horrific actions?

ID TenTee

Having been to the monument, I say it is not yet sacred ground, but still has an evil feel to it. It was a horrible tragedy, and those who commited it will be held accountable, Matt. What do you expect? President Hinkly to resign or something? Think, McFly, think.
Anyway, those who won't let go of hard feelings because of the traditions of their fathers won't accept this apology, nor any other. Fine. That's their burden to bear. An apology is not something that has to be accepted to be sincere.

djbundy

Though the atmosphere in Utah was genuinely fearful and antagonistic with regard to "gentiles" -- any non-Mormons from east of the Rockies in the fall of 1857, and circumstantial evidence at the time (generally disproved since) did suggest that this train of immigrants had ridiculed and harassed Mormon settlements along the way, no act real or alleged could possibly justify the betrayal of their trust and wholesale cold blooded murder. The Church is right to apologize to the decendents of the families who were killed, and to the entire nation. It may be said that the apology is overdue, and it may be said that unless a personal expression of sorrow accompanies it, it is not complete. But I see nothing in the statements of Elder Eyring yesterday or President Hinckley years ago when the present memorial was dedicated that defends or attempts to excuse the actions of the Church or of any of its members. They were indefensible and as Eyring stated, the perpetrators will face divine justice, though many of them may have escaped justice during their mortal lives. I think that is where we all need to let the matter rest. If God is real, if he is just and all-knowing, as all Christians will acknowledge, then leaving the final resolution of this tragedy in his hands is entirely appropriate.

Rashers

So the church is writing a book about that atrocity eh? I wonder who will benefit from sales of the book. Hmmmmmm.....

jkarr

Why is it that the LDS Church continually has to apologize for it's members. No other church I know of has to go to the extent of the LDS Church...very interesting.

Sterling

Darwin,
Well said!

Richard Gardner

If my ancestors murdered or enslaved your ancestors, do I owe you an apology? I dont think so. If you go far enough back, probably everyone has ancestors who committed crimes against someone elses ancestors. By that logic, all of us would owe everyone an apology. This includes those who are now asking for the Church to apologize.
I am always amazed that the victims descendants, after all these generations, seem to take it so personally, as if they themselves were the victims. By that logic, we are all victims, because Im sure that all of us had at least one ancestor who was treated badly if not in the 19th century, maybe in the 18th, 17th, or 16th.
I might be able to see some merit in a church apology had the massacre been an official church action, but the evidence does not support that. The real apology needs to be made by the actual perpetrators to the actual victims.

B in Cedar City

It is never enough for the Mormon haters. It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, they still want more. The funny thing is those who are demanding more were not involved. But they will never be happy and that is their own problem.

ricwhite

Apology? Hmm . . . I didn't hear or read any apology. I heard an expression "of regret" which, in my opinion, is not an apology at all. The wording was very carefully crafted to avoid apology.

Even after the ceremony and official statement, in interviews with LDS leaders, they completely avoided anything to do with apology even when prompted. They emphasized the word "regret" over and over.

In no uncertain terms, I think the LDS legal department told them not to "apologize".

Howard Stoner

LDS Church leaders are very wise men. I'm sure they have thought long and hard about this particular statement and its context. One thought occurs to me about the motives of those who having been asking for an apology from the Church: why are they asking only for a Church apology; why do they not press the State of Utah for an apology instead? After all, Brigham Young was the territorial governor at the time, and the men in Cedar City and surrounding areas were civic and state military leaders as well as church leaders. When the State of Missouri issued an apology to the LDS Church a few years ago over the events of 1838, no one even thought of asking the various churches that existed then in Missouri and still exist today to also offer an apology. In 1857, all those in leadership positions held dual roles, both church and state. I just think that the fact that the LDS Church, and the LDS Church alone, has been pressed for an apology reveals much about the true motives of those who are demanding the apology.

R

My ancestors were serial killers in our country. Few people know of them, but some do when I tell them my last name. I don't apologize, I don't do anything other than tell them it came from my family, long extended. I was not involved, but it still stems from my roots.

I feel they once again need to apologize because it's come up again in the media, and nobody knows that church leaders have apologized in the past, so they need to do it again so the accusers can at least hear it. When the state of Missouri apologized for what their people did to our people 150 years ago, it felt good to at least hear that, even though they had no affiliation with that persecution. An apology can go a long way, especially since when there is nothing else that can be done.

Don't be criticizing our leaders. You raised your hand to sustain them, and if they feel it necessary to apologize, then let them, and don't pull the "it's a PR gag." You try being a leader of the Church in our world and see if you can do better.

tammy

get over it,quit having anniversaries for every thing,
leave anniversaries for happy occasions.
let these people rest in peace.

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