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Life and the border: Get-tough approach

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ex U.S. Army | 12:54 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

shame on the Deseret News! Writing a slanted series supporting sob stories for lawbreakers. I have not seen such nonsence in my life. I have cancelled my subscription of your "newspaper" untill I see a more pro- American attitude.

UNemployed | 1:03 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

I am sitting home today because I was "bumped" from work by an illegal alien. My job was a skilled construction job that paid 300.00 per day. An illegal undercut me by 200.00. He will do my job for 1/3 the going rate. My tuff luck I guess.
This is a real life situation about the realities that illegal aliens are causing in our society today.
The answer: GO HOME ALL ILLEGALS!!

Politico | 1:17 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

I challenge the deseret news to forward to the congressmen and senators from Utah a copy of the last three days editorial comments on this article

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Politico | 1:17 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

I challenge the deseret news to forward to the congressmen and senators from Utah a copy of the last three days editorial comments on this article

R.Gordon | 1:24 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

If our elected officials continue to allow illegal imigration to be the substitute for legal imigration the United States of America will suffer, I am not comparing people to parasites, but I make this analysis, Would any of us let lice continue to live on our body because we feel sorry for them? before long they would destroy the host.
We need new and tougher imigration laws and the means to enforce them.

the law | 1:27 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

the law really is there for a Reason. If we are now calling ILLEGAL aliens "undocumented immigrants", when are we going to start calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists? Why allow laws to be thrown around to the point where they don't mean anything anymore?

Artimesia | 2:11 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

Is this bunch of responders from Utah or Bosnia? The arguments presented here support a policy of ethnic cleansing. I pray the elected officials of the State have better judgement.

Mike | 2:32 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

Why can't the U.S. government round-up illegals and ship them back to where they came from, even if they have to do it one at a time?

The cost for doing this should be subtracted from the $33-million (2004) that we give to Mexico, for example.

Why can't our government see what's going on and do something

Daves | 2:48 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

URGENT ALERT!!!
DON'T LET THE DREAM ACT PASS????????

TELL YOUR FRIENDS

Today! Do not let them pass the craftily hidden "DREAM ACT" in the war Appropriations bill. Our Senators should be urgently alerted no to pass this measure. Our children, our kid's should come first.
numbersusa
loudobbs
fairus

Patriot | 2:51 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

artimesia, how dare you compare u.s.law with ethnic cleansing!! Your comparison is emotional not legal. We want current established law to be upheld by the elected officials and the law enforcement agencies.

AndiMedi | 3:05 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

I just listened to Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois on C-SPAN2 on the Senate floor talking about a program to allow immigrants who entered the US at age 15 or younger and who have been here more than five years to get a provisional legal status, provided they pass background checks and agree to attend college or serve in the military for at least 2 years. And there is opposition to this!?!? It sounds like a good deal for immigrants and citizens alike and I hope it passes.

fix it now | 3:19 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

The ease of fixing this is so apparant that no one see's it. Strongly control the ability to tranfer American dollars through the Western union and Wallmart money transfer system. This will plug up the ability of Mexico to profit from the sweat and tears of these illegal folks. When the profit motive is gone then maybe Mexico will believe we are serious. Until that is done we can't even think of further steps

nobody | 3:24 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

I find it amazing that many of the same self-righteous 'Christians' who gather and sing hymns glorifying their concept of 'God' one day of the week spend so much time castigating a group of human beings who travel here to find opportunities to work and support themselves and their families.

These 'Christians' are in large part helping to create the world envisioned in the book of Revelations: chapter 13: 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Sound familiar? Most of these comments cry out something like: 'no one has the right to work or live in this country without the government-issued identification number that permits them to 'legally' work and shop and live here, and if they don't get the proper government-issued numbers then they will be driven out of our midst.'

Sounds like you are doing the beast's work for him.

Ghost | 3:36 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

Here is a sociological theory: Rational Choice Theory: ...people's behavior is shaped by practical calculations... i.e. People break the law if the benefits of doing so exceed the costs.

12 million or actually more like 25 million "illegal" individuals are in this country breaking the law because our government and business owners etc. are not making it hard for them to do so. The benefits exceed the costs for those parties right now --- but for the common, legal, law-abiding American trying to live day to day and send their kids to college there are no benefits. We pay for the crime, medical care, criminal incarceration and sometimes some of our fellow American citizens pay with their life because an illegal kills them.

Corporations don't care, many politicians don't care because it falls back to money and votes.

So we need to not support any corporation or business that panders to Illegals - just look at how many places hire illegals or put up information in their business in Spanish or sell products in spanish and we need to not vote for any politician that does likewise. Hire the neighbor kid to mow your lawn not ana illegal. Start small

Spanish Fork Canyon | 3:42 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

Now what will happen to all the law abiding , hiring practices of the construction companies who pay under the table...give everyone a background check before you give a check...meet them at the border..or bus them on work visas..then allow them to go home.. set standards just as you do other people or human beings. This thing has just gotten out of hand..I can just imagine what the Americans along the border see on a daily basis. We're at war and our borders are porous. Alot of meth is getting through along with unsavory kind of deals such as human trafficing pretty soon it will be like Israel-Pakistan situation give em a census # like you did the NdNs, then see who goes after that as greed feeds the need in so many. How many of this pop has Hiv?

nobody ??? | 4:00 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

you are right,nobody would write a comment like that with the facts of illegal immigration staring them in the face

Ethnic cleansing? | 4:01 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

@artemesia

The desire to deport illegal aliens has nothing to do with their ethnicity. I support deportation of illegal immigrants regardless of where they come from. I also welcome & support all legal immigrants to this country, regardless of where they come from.

If illegals are coming from Canada, I want them deported just as much as any other illegal. It's about legal status, not race.

I'd be interested to hear what somebody from Mexico who's waiting in line to legally immigrate to America thinks about illegal immigration.

Buzzard | 4:34 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

This problem seems so complicated, but is so easily and elegantly solved in great measure by three steps:

1-Spend the resources that we are allocating to border patrol on employment verification, and make it a criminal violation to employ an illegal. Make it seriously impossible to hold a job in this country without proper documentation. It CAN and MUST be done. That way the border patrol could spend it's time looking for terrorists, along with helping out the hordes heading back across the borders.

2-Increase the number of long-term and permenant visas substantually to allow enough workers in to fill entry-level, low skill jobs.

3-Make those visa's only obtainable at embassies and consulates outside the U.S.

That way, employers will have access to a labor pool that can work without fear and be paid legal, market wages. Everything and everyone is above board. Of course, some will choose to remain in the shadows, but they will gradually be forced to return home and obtain a visa or be forced out by those with proper papers who can be employed in the open and without fraud.

Southern Arizonan | 5:21 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

"But behold, now the Lamanites are coming upon us, taking possession of our lands, and they are murdering our people with the sword, yea, our women and our children, and also carrying them away captive, causing them that they should suffer all manner of afflictions."

"We know not but what ye are also traitors to your country. Or is it that ye have neglected us because ye are in the heart of our country and ye are surrounded by security."

"Yea, will ye sit in idleness while ye are surrounded with thousands of those, yea, and tens of thousands, who do also sit in idleness, while there are thousands round about in the BORDERS of the land who are falling by the sword, yea, wounded and bleeding?"

Hmmmm...

Ken | 5:26 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

The Dream Act is going to voted on in the Senate
propably on Wed., this act puts our kids in direct
competition for the limited number of slots available
each year in colleges throughout the nation.
The government on all levels are putting the screws
to our children.
This Act leads directly to chain migration.
If you will not protect your own kids, who do you
think will? The government, well you have seen their
actions.
If any type of amnesty is given these people who have
invaded our country will become dual citizens, with
voting rights in two countries! You will have
foreigners influencing your local, state, and federal
elections.
The people who are here illegally must be MADE to
go home, not asked.
These people have no respect for our country, and
that includes the people who want them here, or say
you can not demand that they go home.
Cheaters, liars, rapists, drug dealers, and killers
are included in this invasion.
There are 25 U.S. Citizens KILLED EVERDAY by illegal
aliens, don't believe me, check with U.S. Rep. Steve
King of Iowa. It's on his website.

Southern Arizonan | 5:30 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

>I can just imagine what the Americans along the border see on a daily basis.

We have seen hospitals go under because of the millions of dollars not paid by illegal aliens who steal health care. We see an abnormally high rate of crime committed by illegal aliens. We see filth and garbage and disease brought in and left on our doorsteps by illegal aliens. We see property value go down because of illegal aliens. We see wages go down because of illegal aliens. We see unemployment go up because of illegal aliens. We see terrorists coming in as illegal aliens. We see gang-related crime skyrocket because of illegal aliens. We see racist anti-American rallies staged by illegal aliens.

Basically, we see a mountain of bad with no good. If all of the over 20 million illegal aliens were deported, their jobs would be taken over by Americans, the billions of dollars spent to clean up after the illegal aliens could be given back to the legal citizens to whom the money actually belongs, and we would very, very quickly adjust to not having those extra 20 million criminals in our midst.

That's what we see.

Merrill | 6:53 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

The article, which included presumptuous suggestions by Mexican authorities that the United States should solve their problems, made me wonder why Mexico is still a third world country. It is not the fault of the United States that people south of the border have little respect for law. There are plenty of wealthy people and natural resources in Mexico. What's wrong with the distribution of that wealth and natural resources?

Merrill | 7:21 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

Correction to above: Maybe it is the fault of the United States based international corporations and greedy others that people from elsewhere have little respect for our laws.

Santiago | 8:44 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

There is only one HONEST way to handle those here illegally.
They are ALL dishonest(forged docs and the like), therefore, everyone of them needs to be sent back. We already have enough dishonest people in this country without importing them by the tens of millions!
Deport them ALL! NO exceptions! NONE!

Anonymous | 8:49 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

All this writer did was follow a formula for writing about illegal immigration by presenting the sterotypes held by both sides. Her research for facts is faulty as when she says deaths are down when in fact they are on a record pace. Shame on this shoddy reporting.

Another Arizona | 11:41 p.m. Sept. 18, 2007

It is NOT impossible to deport a large number of ILLEGAL ALIENS (please, not "undocumented immigrants") It was done when I was a kid in Yuma in the 1950's. Something like 12 million.
I grew up on the border and Mexicans have always come across to work--it really wasn't an issue until all the welfare benefits were made available. They came, they worked, they went home.
We are under siege down here! There are almost no entry-level jobs available to our young people starting out, either because the illegals are often more skilled or will work more cheaply. Or, quite frankly, some of them take jobs as a front for drug and immigrant smuggling activity.
I say--no citizens' benefits for non-citizens.
Deport illegal aliens.
VASTLY IMPROVE our immigration policies to let law-abiding, healthy people come to this country, as they did in the past (My husband's grandma was born in Chihuahua and came legally).
Finally--how does Mexico own the western U.S.? The Mexican Native Americans didn't live here. Any claim that Mexico makes to U.S. territory (bought from Mexico, by the way, if you know your history) is based on SPANISH conquest--and the Mexicans threw the Spanish out themselves.

Tdoff | 6:44 a.m. Sept. 19, 2007

One of our biggest problems in this area is the failure of our politicos, both sides, to adhere to the Constitution. Throw the bums out.

Ron Paul for President!

Some comments | 10:02 p.m. Sept. 19, 2007

One: President Eisenhauer in the 1950's enacted a program to remove illegal immigrants from the US- this policy should be reinstated and MADE PERMANENT. It was humane, effective and most of them left beforehand on their own volition.

Two: It is appalling to think that the Mexican rep in whatever the Mexican province in this article believes that the US needs to send more aid money??? Is this guy NUTS? Does anyone else see that there is something wrong with this picture? If anything, we need to STOP sending them foreign aid and send back their ex-patriates and MAKE them stand on their own 2 feet for once.

In this instance I am reminded of a permissive parent who throughout the child's life holds his hands and never lets him make his own mistakes. We have catered to these illegal immigrants (Mexican or not) long enough.

Three: Didn't the Reagan Administration do this amnesty thing 20 odd years ago? How well did THAT work?

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