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Governor appoints Scott Matheson Jr. to lead state mine-safety panel
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El Alacrane | 12:15 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
What does Huntsman know about coal mining?
Question For the Gov | 12:27 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
So as soon as the mine collapsed and killed three rescuers the Governor insited
the recovery effort be stopped, until it was 100% safe. I am wondering what
exactly he is thinking when he said more can be done? As much as I disagree
with Bob Murray's antics, with no response from anyone uderground how can
you continue? These miners are trained to signal for help and they have not
done so. Probably because they passed away as a result of the blast or shortly
afterwards due to bad air. I really don't think anyone could have gotten
to them in time given the situation. I totally agree that we need to look at
the saftey practices and management of this mine, as well as the mining method.
However, I hate blanket statements like you could have done more in the rescue
effort. What do you suggest? What more could have been done to get them out?
There has been no sign of life whatsoever. In the Quecreek mine, the miners
signalled rescures within a mere hours. We have had no response in weeks. I
truly feel for these families. We need to prevent this from happening again,
because if it does and retreat mining this deep underground is going on, I fear
the same result.
Melinda | 12:27 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Shame on Governor Huntsman. Mr. Murray has been the bearer of bad news. I think
he has been the bearer of honesty. I think he is much kinder to be blunt and
tell it like it is than to spin tales of false home. I also think Governor
Huntsman is using the mine catastrophe for political gain--I am not sure how it
will play out, but I think he is pandering to the emotions at play--not to
thinking things through. The Governor says no one is interested in what Mr.
Murray has to say. The photographs I have seen make me think Mr. Murray is
suffering his own anguish and personal hell--not because he was neglectful or to
blame for the catastrophe, but because lives were lost. I would like to ask the
Governor if he has any brilliant ideas about new technologies that were not
tried to rescue the men. And honestly, in this day and age of instant news, if
Mr. Murray himself did not suggest an available technology, I find it hard to
believe that someone somewhere didn't suggest an "available
technology". Maybe Mr. Murray keeps an "available technology"
under his bed and just didn't want to share it. The Governor says the
families have been treated unconscionably and deserve better--I would suggest
the people of Utah deserve better than intimating that Mr. Murray is withholding
the means to save the men or to recover their bodies. Can you imagine the
outcry if Mr. Murray suggests one of these "available technologies"
and there is further loss of life--My goodness, would the Governor say that the
rescuers were treated unconscionably and Mr. Murry should show greater courtesy?
The Governor shows compassion to the families--How about some compassion for
Mr. Murray and respect for the intellect of Utahns?
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Vvoyage | 12:32 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I think Gov. Huntsman should understand that there are a whole lot of people who
believe he bought the governorship with money and name recognition.
He should follow the cardinal rule of politicians: Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid rather than open it and remove all doubt.
He should follow the cardinal rule of politicians: Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid rather than open it and remove all doubt.
Joe Hill | 12:35 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Murray is the shining light on the hill of Utah republican businessman; a beacon
showing the value labor has to him. If it wasn't for jack booted government
inspectors armed with useless government regulations, Murray would have made
more money before his investment collapsed.
Thomas Jefferson | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I am becoming more and more disappointed with the Gov. with each passing
headline. He is critical here but offers no specifics. This rescue operation
was the combined efforts of many experts and government agencies and personnel.
To suggest the owner has not done everything possible without offering any
specifics is clearly just piling on. The only idea anyone has offered is a
capsule hole and not one single expert anywhere has concluded it is a reasonable
possibility, not a single 'expert'. I am so disappointed with
Huntsman and his following headlines and calling it leadership. Imagine the
criticism if Murray had determined the mine was too unsafe for a rescue right
from the start. He would have been linched, yet three more people would be
alive today that aren't and there families would have been spared enormous
grief. His political posturing is getting right up there with Gov. Leavitt.
joni | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
What is wrong with your governor, Utah? He says to stop recovery efforts and
then blames it on Mr. Murray. Sounds like he talks out of both sides of his
mouth. I think Mr. Murray has done everything humanly possible. He is a
Christian man and I think his words of prayer for the families and the miners
are heartfelt. Only a fellow Christian would know that. Maybe your governor is
not a true Christian if he does not feel the Lords Spirit when he talks with or
sees Mr. Murray. How do you put a capsule down a hole when you do not know where
the miners are? I know your hearts are broken families, but put some logic into
your thinking. My prayers are with you.
Jake | 12:40 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I felt that same way until I learned that Mr. Murray refused help from outside
resources until the third day of the collapse. Who knows if something else
could have been done. But I don't think this is really a matter of what
he's been doing after the collapse, I think it's a matter of the
pre-cautions that he is responsible to take in order to keep miners as safe as
possible considering the natural dangers of the job. Apparently he is a little
careless in that area, his reputation seems to suggest that. Honestly, outside
of the mining community, most of us haven't even heard of this guy.
Disgusted | 12:47 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I truly believe the Governor is thinking in the political mode here. Where are
the technologies you speak of? Mr. Murray may have his faults but he was
conducting the mining in this mine according to the permits he had from the
government. Mr. Murray appears to be a down to earth man totally speaking from
his heart and shaken from the events which have taken place. Come on
Governor!!!
Pam | 12:49 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I am also bothered by blanket statements of "more could have been
done" without any suggestions of WHAT should have been done. I think that
it's easy in the aftermath to point fingers...as they say, "hindsight
is 20/20."
lee | 12:51 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Mr. Huntsman knows first hand about unconscionable treatment as he participates
in it on a regular basis as he deals with the people and employees of the state
of Utah.
My heart goes out to the families of the trapped miners. I can�t imagine the hellish grief they must be experiencing. However, from the media�s reporting of the rescue efforts I would wonder what more Mr. Huntsman and the families expect Mr. Murray to do.
Is Mr. Huntsman ready to enter the unstable mine to retrieve the trapped miners? Who else are the grieving families and Mr. Huntsman willing to sacrifice to bring back the trapped miners? Where was Mr. Huntsman and his heroic ideas for rescue when the mine first collapsed?
My heart goes out to the families of the trapped miners. I can�t imagine the hellish grief they must be experiencing. However, from the media�s reporting of the rescue efforts I would wonder what more Mr. Huntsman and the families expect Mr. Murray to do.
Is Mr. Huntsman ready to enter the unstable mine to retrieve the trapped miners? Who else are the grieving families and Mr. Huntsman willing to sacrifice to bring back the trapped miners? Where was Mr. Huntsman and his heroic ideas for rescue when the mine first collapsed?
Rick | 12:55 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I like govenor Huntsman, but his comments are way way out of line. It is
obvious he made the comments for political gain when he didn't need too.
He is very popular in the state and doesn't need to stoop to the level he
has by making blanket unfounded accusations toward the mine owner. I feel
deeply for the familys and it is obvious by Mr. Murrays on air comments he is
hurting for the miners and their families.
What new technoloy can be used when there is seismic activity inside the mine? You have to think of the rescuers safety. Look what has already happed to rescuers. If the Govenor knows of better technologg, maybee he should let those in charge of the rescue operation know about it. I have to write it one more time. Governor Huntsman is out of line with his accustions toward the mine owner.
What new technoloy can be used when there is seismic activity inside the mine? You have to think of the rescuers safety. Look what has already happed to rescuers. If the Govenor knows of better technologg, maybee he should let those in charge of the rescue operation know about it. I have to write it one more time. Governor Huntsman is out of line with his accustions toward the mine owner.
lynn h | 12:59 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
good grief -- involve Congress! Please no. Laws can't fix everything, and
often make things worse. Sometimes there is sadness that we can't fix, no
matter how much how hearts are wounded.
Guy | 1:03 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Cheers! to Gov. Huntsman for talking straight. After weeks of grandstanding,
Murray has failed to deliver on the primary commitment he made to the rescue
effort. "I will not leave this mine until the men are found - dead or
alive" - Bob Murray. Murray has a consistent record of pushing the
boundaries of legally safe mining - choosing to pay fines instead of enacting
more costly safe mining operations. To make good in the eyes of the Lord,
Murray must 1) keep drilling holes until the family is satisfied, 2) allow full
and open inspections of the collapsed mine, 3) apologize to America for creating
a persistently hazardous working environment, 4) commit to 100% compliance with
mining regulations for the balance of his career.
Levy | 1:03 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Did Huntsman expend any of his fortune to help with the rescue effort? That
would've been more useful and a much better political move than his
uninformed after-the-fact comments.
thomas | 1:04 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Again our headline seeking governor has not provided any meaningful ideas. He
continues to make general statments about the rescue effort, Mr. Murray, yet has
nothing specific to offer in any direction. If he felt the families were being
poorly treating why didn't he step in behind the scenes, instead of in
front of the camera, with some mighty communcation skills and calm the
situation. So the Feds, company, and experts all are witholding some technology
that would save the day. It just is disheartning the see a Gov. without a clear
direction except following the prevaling political winds blown by today's
headlines.
Mike Russell | 1:07 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
The efforts of all in the rescue effort have been wonderful to see. No one feels
worse than the mine owner. To now start throwing blame around in hindsight is
tasteless and unhelpful. The governor should say nothing of the sort, it only
worsens the pain of all. I don't see anything but a great effort by all
involved to rescue these poor miners. To say otherwise smacks of
"scapegoating" where none should exist. This was just an unfortunate
accident.
Kyle | 1:08 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
What leadership course has anyone attended where they train you that,
"Placeing blame is first priority, and the earlier you can blame someone
the better". It's always the opposite. The focus of skilled problem
solving is not be to blame someone, you have to try your hardest to avoid
focusing on blame and focus on the problem and solutions. Sometimes I think
political leadership training is opposite of business/people leadership
techniques. Is our Governor being a good leader in this case (throwing blame
around instead of focusing on fixing the problem)?
If the Governor thinks it is his responsibility to criticise and kick Bob Murray while he is down then I think we should be asking some question of the Gov.
I could rant about what I perceive as mistakes the Governor has made in this situation, but I will take my own advice and avoid the temptation to blame and encourage everyone to focus on solutions.
If the Governor thinks it is his responsibility to criticise and kick Bob Murray while he is down then I think we should be asking some question of the Gov.
I could rant about what I perceive as mistakes the Governor has made in this situation, but I will take my own advice and avoid the temptation to blame and encourage everyone to focus on solutions.
just wondering | 1:08 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
one would think that with all the technology today, such as ankle bracelets,
microchips, other devices could be implemented to keep track of or locate miners
when cave in happens...think outside the cave , mine owners ..now watch someone
steal my idea , right here in Utah but if it saves lives..I'll be blessed
later. So easy a caveman could do it.
what he thinking | 1:10 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
as far as i can tell everything that could be done was. i want to know what he
thinks should have done,different,more or better. the rest of the world sure
doesnt know.
Robert | 1:12 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
So... using the deaths of miners for political purposes isn't
unconscionable? I wonder how many hours our brave governor has spent trying to
rescue the missing miners? How many lives are worth losing in order to recover
the remains of the missing miners? Mr. Murray has been on the front lines
trying desperately to find some way to get to them; risking his own life for
others. Where has the sanctimonious governor been? Huntsman's comments
are completely inappropriate and offensive. His behavior is outrageous and
disgusting.
Utah Royalty | 1:19 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Utahns, this is the problem when you elect a member of one of your "royal
families" without bothering to take a good, long look at his credentials.
Commenters note Jon Huntsman Jr. talks out of both sides of his mouth.
That's because he shifts in the political winds and surrounds himself with
"yes men" -- if you tell him something he doesn't want to hear,
watch out -- your head will roll. He isn't concerned with real policy or
doing the right (or smart) thing, but in what sounds good in his head and his
yes men confirm.
Better luck next time -- I'll bet Nolan Karras wouldn't be playing politics with these families' anguish.
Better luck next time -- I'll bet Nolan Karras wouldn't be playing politics with these families' anguish.
Troy | 1:30 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Looks like an ample supply of Murray patsies to support him in the 'Add you
comment' section. It's too bad that he can't garner enough
support in mine rescue. The blame squarely should fall on the shoulders of mine
management, not the governor of the state of Utah. Governor Huntsman wasn't
the one pushing questionable mine manangement for the sake of the all mighty
dollar.
Ramon | 1:32 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I've never been a fan of the govenor, but had no reasons to truly dislike
him, but that has all changed. Following the death of the three miners and the
crash of the helicopter at Camp Williams, this became black august, and Huntsman
said we didn't want to lose any more people. Bravo to that idea, but how
are you going to follow through on that idea, if you want those bodies
recovered? You can't guarantee the safety of the rescuers, so either come
up with alternative & specific plan or don't say anything at all.
Don't worry this is just his attempt to boost him numbers in the polls. So
I guess his aids and staff should just tell him to be quiet, because this double
standard is just making him into a "flip-flop". Oh wait....that is
just what politicians do! Just like the Utah state senate. Thanks for the
flip-flop!
One track mind media to blame | 1:46 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Mr. Murray is unjustly being chosen as a escape-goat target by the media. Bad
miner owner, or conspiracy makes for good stories. I blame the media for the
attack on the mine owner. Salt lake tribune's front page article several
days ago was "Facts go against mine owner" and then at the very end of
the article it had the mine owners defense which was on page 5-6 which most
people never read. I feel like the greedy media prey on stories like this
because of the increase in revenue.
Cameron M | 1:46 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
That's quite enough talk, Governor Huntsman. If you believe that a viable
alternative for discovering and recovering these, your fellow Utahns, truly
exists, then you have the moral obligation to PONY UP! You have access to
hundreds of millions of dollars (and I refer to personal wealth, NOT to taxpayer
funds), yet you call upon a man whose livelihood is clearly compromised to do
the deed. We know that talk is cheap, but in this case, actual action to save
lives - or to at least bring closure to the families of the missing - would also
make a comparatively tiny dent in your personal bag of resources. Your words of
innuendo are particularly ridiculous when we remember to frame them with the
knowledge that you have greater resources at hand than Bob Murray ever had or
ever will possess, and yet you've done less than nothing to help this
tragic situation. To me, it seems like the security guard is yelling to the
janitor that the thief is getting away. Hollow, meaningless, politically
motivated words. And yes, I'm a Republican.
Parker | 1:47 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Why is everyone taking the side of Murray, the shady mine-owner that was in
charge when this tragic mine collapse happened?
Governor Huntsman wants the victims recovered and their families treated with respect, what part of these two objectives do you people disagree with?
Governor Huntsman wants the victims recovered and their families treated with respect, what part of these two objectives do you people disagree with?
hmm | 1:58 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I have not been impressed with The Governor's input on any of this mine
disaster since it began even before this latest statement. I didn't like
the way he talked when it 1st happened. Just seemed kind of show and blow about
the need for state inspections, etc. I didn't pay much attention to what
he has done in the past, but believe I will begin following his actions closer
to see if they rub me as wrong as these in dealing with the disaster
Cameron M | 2:02 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Troy, you're wrong. Whether Mr. Murray was the cause of these tragedies is
irrelevant. The present fact is that six Utahns remain trapped within a
mountain, and it is the moral obligation of ANYONE possessing either expertise
or authority to help in the rescue effort until those people are found.
Governor Huntsman happens to possess such authority and more than adequate
ACCESS to expertise, and yet he has been quite comfortable to
armchair-quarterback the situation, making no real contribution toward a
solution to the crisis. He has ordered a halt to the recovery operation, and
then immediately demanded to know why more isn't being done. That latter
really is a great question, but it needs to be slightly re-phrased: "Why
ISN'T more being done, GOVERNOR HUNTSMAN?" He seems to know the
answer, because he implies that Mr. Murray isn't doing exactly whatever it
is that Governor Huntsman thinks should be done. Well, if you think something
more needs to be done, then, well...I don't know...how 'bout DO IT?!
Stop playing so close to the chest and show your dadgum hand, if you know
something that we don't, or that Bob Murray should. Then give Bob - or
anybody, for that matter - the money and the manpower to execute.
James | 2:03 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Yes, I am equally disturbed to see a politician who got where he is by money and
family ties, not by the normal routes of hard work and integrity.
Buck | 2:03 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
When Huntsman was working in the coal mines more could ..... oh sorry ..... I
mentioned the word work and Huntsman in the same sentence.
Cameron M | 2:12 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Bottom line: Improved inspections are TOO LATE. Blaming Bob Murray (and I
don't have a clue what kind of man he is or what his motivations are) is
POINTLESS and TOO LATE. "Taking sides" is...geez...I don't even
know what that means. Can I take the side of trying to find the missing miners?
Is that still a side? Calling a press conference to demand that SOMETHING be
done after issuing an order that NOTHING be done is TWO-FACED and accomplishes
nothing. Dear, sweet Governor Huntsman, please kindly do something, rather than
continuing to cast lightning bolts from the mount. Drop the whip and take the
reins to LEAD.
Candle | 2:17 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I'm so disappointed in Governor Huntsman! I expected so much more. His
comments are way out of line here! My heart breaks for the families of the
missing miners, but it also breaks for the rescuers who died trying to save
them. Huntsman is very free with criticism, but offers nothing of use. NOTHING!
I tend to think the EXPERTS have a little more credibility in their opinions
that there are no remotely safe options left. I think he needs to research this
a little more, listen a little more, and talk a whole lot less. I had high
expectations for Huntsman, and feel totally disappointed in him.
Anonymous | 2:29 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I just think that this has gotten out of hand. I don't think people are
taking sides with anyone. But people just seem to want to attack Bob Murray
while he is down. He is going thru a lot od pain and anguish right now and you
can see that in his face.
As far as the families that still have missing miners I feel that they are being selfish to ask more rescuers to down and risk their own lives and leave their families behind just so that they can have closure. There was hope for the missing miners after the first collapes, but after the second, come on. If they want the closure that they are needing then I think they should be putting their lives on the line.
I am very sorry about all the losses and I am sorry for what Bob Murray has had to put up with.
As far as the families that still have missing miners I feel that they are being selfish to ask more rescuers to down and risk their own lives and leave their families behind just so that they can have closure. There was hope for the missing miners after the first collapes, but after the second, come on. If they want the closure that they are needing then I think they should be putting their lives on the line.
I am very sorry about all the losses and I am sorry for what Bob Murray has had to put up with.
Taking 5 | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Very disapointing leadership Governor, Very disapointing!
Pete | 2:43 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
What is up with all of these comments against the governor. I think all he was
saying is the families were not treated like human beings. How would you all
like to be treated like the families were. Put yourself in their situation.
Alex | 2:49 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Exactly what potentially useful technologies has Murray NOT used in this rescue
operation?
A | 2:56 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
With all this controversy, the only thing that seems to be missing is Salt
Lake's infamous Mayor putting his two cents in by blaming the
President....Where has he been lately?
annie omouse | 3:04 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I will have you know the Governor has been in Huntington everyday since the
first mining incident. He has also been to every funeral. Governor Huntsman does
care about these people. Don't you think that both sides could be putting
up a front?
What if? | 3:27 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
What if your loved one was trapped in a mine and there was a chance, even just a
slight chance, that they were alive. Would you want the rescue efforts to just
end? Do you just walk away and always wonder? I think the drilling that is being
done is safe, besides the first hole was supposed to lead to the dining area and
it missed.
Rocky | 3:28 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I blame President Bush....let's impeach the both of them.
Anonymous | 3:36 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Joni, why speculate on Murray's religious background? How can anyone tell
from soundbites and not personally knowing the man, whether he is a Christian,
believer, nonbeliever or what? Any conclusion about this is just speculation.
And what does his belief system have to do with this, anyway? Pray for everyone
involved, but please keep speculations about Murray's beliefs out of this.
Not My Man Mitch!! | 3:54 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I feel for the people of Utah. We know here in Indiana what it is like to be
embarrased by the gov.
A guy from Huntington | 3:57 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
It is difficult to place blame in a situation like this. If the governor has all
these great ideas then why doesn't he share them with Mr. Murray and his
colleagues. It is an absolute tragedy what our little community is going through
but comments like this don't help the situation. They only through fuel on
an already burning fire. We are in need of understanding from all sides.
Anonymous | 3:58 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
It's no time for politics!
Concerned | 4:04 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I happen to know Gov. Huntsman personally, and I KNOW that his statement here
and his efforts the past few weeks in Huntington have been 100% for the benefit
of the families involved. He is a kind, compassionate individual and he would
never use a situation like this for his own political gain. I see nothing wrong
with having a little compassion for the families involved. They are, after all,
the ones who are REALLY suffering here...NOT Murray.
WB | 4:21 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
I enjoy reading these comments. Some are very thoughtful and the opinions
expressed are based on some factual basis. Others are off base and misinformed.
Others are based only on emotion. What does blame accomplish? Does it bring
back the miners? Does it rescue them? Does it even save others? No. It is a
form of self-righteousness in many cases, and anger in others. If it was my
father, I would be angry too, but I've learned through many many years of
experience, that blaming someone would not help me.
Mike D | 4:24 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Just remember, Gov. Huntsman is a RINO and therefore doesn't even follow
the principles he espouses.
Dave | 4:35 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
Good political sense to name Matheson and to rag on both the MSHA and Murray.
Commmenters seem to forget that part of the article that says that the Federal
government is in charge. Gov. Huntsman let them try, and the Bush
Administration officials and mine owners screwed up horribly. Now he is telling
them to STFU and step aside so that the state government can try to get to the
bottom of this.
It is like blaming Gov. Blanco for FEMA's mistakes during Katrina. Oh wait...GOPers already did that (and praised a GOP lobbyist turned Gov. of the neighboring state that didn't get hit nearly as hard).
It is like blaming Gov. Blanco for FEMA's mistakes during Katrina. Oh wait...GOPers already did that (and praised a GOP lobbyist turned Gov. of the neighboring state that didn't get hit nearly as hard).
Ellen | 5:17 p.m. Aug. 23, 2007
This story is tragic, however, no more tragic than the two pilots that lost
their lives in the Apache Helicopter crash on Monday. This tragic accident has
been overshadowed by the mining accident. My thoughts and prayers go out to the
families that have lost loved ones in the helicopter crash and the mining
accident.
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