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BYU owns this label: still stone-cold sober
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Rick | 8:03 a.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Don't bite down too hard....the tongue in your cheek might suddenly become
a lot shorter.[for Randy in Arizona]
Bryan | 12:21 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Way To Go BYU! This makes me so proud to be BYU alumni.
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Anonymous | 12:26 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
And this is news?
Memikeyounot | 1:44 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Why is this news, again? It might be news if BYU didn't get on this list
every year, but somehow the news that BYU remains sober isn't exactly
"NEWS"
R | 1:50 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Yeah, this is great news. Nothing makes you prouder to see the school you
helped gain that ranking still have it! There is too much to worry about in
life than adding the problem of alcohol to your life. I know of many university
presidents who envy BYU because of this...they always have to deal with
intoxicated people and the dumb things they do.
This is a great honor for BYU.
This is a great honor for BYU.
Camilla | 2:10 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Well done, BYU!! Why are we so awesome??
Anonymous | 3:05 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Randy in AZ. That was funny man. Even if ol Rick doesnt like it.
Good for BYU though. Having the standard is one thing and getting the results is a whole different game. Congrats.
Good for BYU though. Having the standard is one thing and getting the results is a whole different game. Congrats.
news worthy | 3:08 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
It is news, especially for the party schools. they can't fathom how
someone can not drink, not smoke, not do drugs... they figure it is their right
of passage and how dare someone not partake.
And to go to college and study.. the horror of it all.
And to go to college and study.. the horror of it all.
napolean dynamite | 3:26 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
SWEET!!!
S. Righteous | 4:44 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Good job, BYU!! Drinking one beer makes you drunk as well as a belligerent
alcoholic and a bad person!! I, for one, believe Utah County should be a dry
county. It's about time we end the glamorization of alcohol by the liberal
media.
someone | 4:47 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
BYU is amazing!!
and sober!!!
and sober!!!
Right On | 5:15 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
I agree with you S. Righteous!! And someone! BYU is amazing and sober!
duncan | 5:29 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
i love it! go byu! but we need to be number one in lowest marijuana usage as
well!
GP | 5:58 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
Rise and Shout!!!
Bust the Root Beer out!!!
Bust the Root Beer out!!!
Muxue Liu | 6:26 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
I'm so proud of our school!
Katie Hanson | 7:57 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
I just got back from a cruise and they made fun of this ranking but, darn it,
I'm so proud to be different!!
Gayle R | 8:10 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
BYU is also caffeine free. Why didn't they get that award?
gr8fulcougar | 8:17 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
BYU is one of the greatest examples of the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
Other kids leave home for college and parents worry themselves sick about what
they might be doing. Our campus reflects what we believe, and that's why
it's so AWESOME!!!
SNiendorf93 | 8:29 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
I think a lot of people overlook the talent it takes to write a story like this,
which has happened 10 years running. Walch parlays his words into a creative
masterpiece which make the article interesting, and fun, to read. Good job, BYU!
Can't wait to see Walch top this story next year, when he'll get to
write it AGAIN!!!!
Nicole | 9:21 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
I wonder where BYU ranked on the acceptance of a gay community. If the U was
ranked 11th, how did BYU rank?
HappyValleyDweller | 10:11 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
S.Righteous, that sounds like too strong of a judgment to me. I'm not sure
if you are coming at it from a political or religious perspective but your claim
that the left wing media glamorizes alcohol use is a lazy accusation: all media
promotes it. Most people I know who drink do it regardless of their political
persuasion. How about we live our lives as we choose and allow others to live
their lives as they choose. If they choose to drink and drive or abuse spouses
and children then we throw the book at them.
El Smith | 11:17 p.m. Aug. 21, 2007
What about BYU-Idaho?
why | 12:52 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Who cares?
cougarboy | 1:03 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I care! It makes me happy to know that BYU is getting publicity for doing
something right. That's not the type of news that you hear everyday. I just
goes to show that if you use your agency the way the prophet tells us to, great
things happen. I'm proud to say I go to BYU, even if it's not perfect.
Wynndow | 6:30 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Hey HappyValleyDweller, most of the media is left wing (or just about). But not
all media promotes it. S.Righteous' point is to stop making alcohol appear
to be a great thing when really it is poisonous trash. Of course people can
choose but it is absolutely deceptive and insidious to portray alcohol as most
media does. Same goes for cigarettes etc. Why not target prevention instead of
rehab and other repair? And no, we can't just let people drink and drive
and then throw the book at them! That is a last resort. Are you kidding?
People's futures and very lives are in danger. It sounds like you
don't care too much about what happens in society. Happy Valley needs you
to do more than just dwell in it my friend.
70's Coug | 6:38 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Thanks Y! When I was there in the seventies unfortunately I rebelled, I found
the very few who smoked, drank etc. I'm ashamed and wish to apologize. If I
could do it over I would be in church on sundays instead. Keep up the #1 that
matters. Go cougs!
Brenden | 7:41 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Nicole - BYU is 11th in that category. Utah was 16th.
I just wonder why BYU has only been attop this list for ten years. Is that how long they have been doing the survey?
I just wonder why BYU has only been attop this list for ten years. Is that how long they have been doing the survey?
Blue Marker | 7:50 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
May BYU ever continue in this vein. IBM learned (and taught) a long time ago
that distinction creates awareness and attracts people of influence -- Big Blue.
Others simply call it a Unique Selling Proposition. USP is vital to all
marketing. BYU has separated itself with good distinction. Donors are fully
aware of all that makes BYU distinct and donate accordingly. And parents
willingly send their kids there. Smart move purely from the marketing side...
and great distinction from all the other sides as well.
BYU Class of 06 alum | 8:18 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I think the proudest achievement should be that the library is ranked #3 in the
nation. That's something that is very commendable and exciting to know
that BYU ranks up there with the Ivy League schools.
A BYU goer | 9:13 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Well... it's an achievement imposed on and not voluntarily achieved by BYU
goers.
Frank B | 9:28 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
When our daughter went from Germany to Utah after marrying an RM she started to
attend BYU. Her grades went straight into the sky - something I partially
attribute to her high IQ but even more to the culture of learning and achieving
at BYU. It is great to see that students attending BYU take their covenants
seriously and thus contribute to being an 'ensign to the nations'.
Happy BYU Alum | 9:48 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
To a BYU goer...Don't you get to choose where you go to colletge?
Don't you chooose to sign the honor code?
If not, I tell you like I told my own kids, FIND ANOTHER SCHOOL and let someone have your coveted position there! If any student resents the honor codes, they should give a good spot to someone who will love it! Its a privilege AND AN HONOR to choose voluntarily to keep the honor code. Anyone who resents it, needs to just go to a state university. I know the difference..I did both. IMHO, it IS voluntarily achieved, if a student is who they say they are.
If not, I tell you like I told my own kids, FIND ANOTHER SCHOOL and let someone have your coveted position there! If any student resents the honor codes, they should give a good spot to someone who will love it! Its a privilege AND AN HONOR to choose voluntarily to keep the honor code. Anyone who resents it, needs to just go to a state university. I know the difference..I did both. IMHO, it IS voluntarily achieved, if a student is who they say they are.
Brenden | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Imposed? I suppose so, but not involuntarily. They go there because of the
standard, because they want to live that way. I did, and I sorely miss it at
grad school here in the southeast. And everyone else I know that has gone or is
going to BYU had a similar agenda. At least most of them do. I guess being #2 on
the reefer list is witness that it isn't quite universal. But the standards
are hardly a secret that is sprung on them after they enroll. It is all laid out
for them by their ecclesiastical leader when they first apply, or by the coach
when they are recruited, or whatever the route they take. They are given every
opportunity to ask questions and make sure they understand what they are
committing to, and that it is what they want. I may be wrong, but I believe the
Honor Code at BYU was originally proposed and instigated by the students
themselves back in the day, and subsequently endorsed and codified by the
school. That is hardly coersion.
G3DO | 9:57 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
To A BYU goer; It IS an achievement voluntarily achieved by each student who
signs the honor code contract. No one is forced to sign just as no one is forced
to attend. The only "imposition" is voluntarily accepted by those not
wishing to live the standards they agreed to.
Mike | 11:02 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
"BYU has dominated the stone-cold category since 1998, when Bill Clinton
was president, BYU-Idaho was still known as Ricks and Harry Potter was just 12
years old and in his second year at Hogwarts."
No partying, but you have to mention the Satanic Harry Potter garbage?
Your priorities are whack.
No partying, but you have to mention the Satanic Harry Potter garbage?
Your priorities are whack.
The same BYU goer | 11:07 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I get the point and I retreat: If I choose to go to BYU, I already have chosen
voluntary sobriety. Thanks folks.
Tyler | 11:13 a.m. Aug. 22, 2007
I did my undergraduate at San Diego State and am working on an MBA at the Y.
Talk about going from one end of the spectrum to the other. Having seen
first-hand what alcohol has done to the lives and futures of good friends I must
say congratulations to BYU and its honor code. More congratulations to those who
attend and follow that code for the right reasons.
Disgusted | 12:27 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
S Righteous - You have to be kidding me. Drinking one beer DOES NOT make one a
'bad person'. How offensive! While I find it commendable BYU has a
stellar sober reputation, I think it's disgusting you would call a casual
drinker (hence, one drink) a bad person. Who are you to judge?
Jorgensen | 1:05 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
"No partying, but you have to mention the Satanic Harry Potter
garbage?"
Worse than that, they mentioned the Antichrist himself...*gasp*...Bill Clinton! ;-)
Worse than that, they mentioned the Antichrist himself...*gasp*...Bill Clinton! ;-)
Joe | 1:28 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
S Righteous was being facetious folks. I suppose I shouldn't have said
that because it takes all the fun out of reading the responses to him/her.
USU | 1:31 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Commendable rank. One beer does not make one a bad person. The U of U is
nearly as religious as BYU according to the survey, and I love BYU's
sobriety and focus on what is most important.
Jim | 1:52 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
According to the last book, Harry Potter was born in 1980. So in 1998 he
would've been 18, and already out of school. Maybe moving onto BYU?
My Dad went to the Y for summer | 2:07 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
But the mystery remains-
Mug, Barq's, or A&W?
Mug, Barq's, or A&W?
Durango | 3:58 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Doesnt anyone else find it disturbing that they actually measure sobriety at
institutions of higher learning? I for one take my hat off to those students at
WVU who do remain sober despite the apparent ease of obtaining lots of alcohol
and other drugs. And I agree with the library ranking too -- it was a great
place to nap before a big test!
Anonymous | 4:09 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
You don't need alcohol to fuel your education or pot to enhance your
creativity. Education isn't about like think ether. At nineteen it should
be apparent you've left the womb. If you're LDS, you know what your
church believes. Get out and experience more. BYU is tied with three schools for
37th place.
In a world with MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Harvard and Penn State why hang out in Provo with like minded people. You have eturnity to
In a world with MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Harvard and Penn State why hang out in Provo with like minded people. You have eturnity to
J.J. Alum | 4:47 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Way to Go BYU! 10 straight years is a great accomplishment. The Library is a
great place to hang out too. BYU has a great example to set for the whole world.
Keep up the good example and keep the ranking next year.
I want a popsicle. | 5:24 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
"Why hang out in Provo with like-minded people?" To have a good
influence around you! To not have to keep turning down parties! To attend
devotionals and firesides with general authorities! As long as you don't
choose to ignore everything and everyone outside of it, BYU is a great place to
be, as shown by this article. Don't ge me wrong, there's nothing wrong
with going to other schools, but there's nothing wrong with being around
"like minded people" either.
P.S. To "My Dad Went to the Y For Summer": A&W :)
P.S. To "My Dad Went to the Y For Summer": A&W :)
Eturnity? | 5:34 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
Did Mr. "Get out and experience more" go to MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley,
Harvard, or Penn State?
Mike | 5:35 p.m. Aug. 22, 2007
"Good job, BYU!! Drinking one beer makes you drunk as well as a belligerent
alcoholic and a bad person!! I, for one, believe Utah County should be a dry
county. It's about time we end the glamorization of alcohol by the liberal
media."
Brilliant sarcastic comment! I'm surprised anyone took this seriously!
Only in Utah!
The good Lord gave us FREEDOM of CHOICE, like we are granted in the United States Constitution.
I suggest if you want to retain your FREEDOM of religious belief, you DO NOT vote for CFR Globalist Mitt Romney, but the true defender of your FREEDOMS, the CONSTITUTION, and UNITED STATES SOVEREIGNTY, RON PAUL!
Brilliant sarcastic comment! I'm surprised anyone took this seriously!
Only in Utah!
The good Lord gave us FREEDOM of CHOICE, like we are granted in the United States Constitution.
I suggest if you want to retain your FREEDOM of religious belief, you DO NOT vote for CFR Globalist Mitt Romney, but the true defender of your FREEDOMS, the CONSTITUTION, and UNITED STATES SOVEREIGNTY, RON PAUL!
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