Guide says it's No. 1 for 10th straight year
The success of BYU should be measured by how well the school meets its mission
statement:"The mission of Brigham Young University--founded,
supported, and guided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints--is to
assist individuals in their quest for perfection and eternal life. That
assistance should provide a period of intensive learning in a stimulating
setting where a commitment to excellence is expected and the full realization of
human potential is pursued."http://unicomm.byu.edu/president/missionstatement.aspxBYU's
expectations transcend academics and should be judged accordingly.
haha! 'realist' and 'adam' you probably weren't admitted into byu and so you're
mad. but if you're there, then knock it off with the negative attitude or get
out. that university is a blessing to thousands, considering the LDS church
assists with the overall cost. people around the world, including the poorest of
the poor, faithfully pay their tithing and that helps lower the cost of
obtaining an OUTSTANDING education at byu. 'accounting student' and 'another
accounting student' thanks for the stats on the business school. go cougars! you
rock and have my total support.
Ah, the irony of the internet. Adam, doesn't it take you making some sort of a
judgement to make a blanket statement about how all BYU students will act? I
supposed that you know at least half (that's about 15,000) of the student
population at the y in order to make that kind of statement? Or maybe you took
a stats class and are simply running a t hypothesis test? In any case, I'm sure
that you are not making a "judgement" against all BYU students based on a bad
experience that you clearly had with a few students? You wouldn't do that
because you are clearly not judgemental yourself. Go Cougars! 7 days until AZ
To Accounting student and others: US News and World Report has recently ranked
the Accounting Program at BYU at No. 3 for 2007-2008.
I love the internet....so many smart people and so many comments....just wanted
to add my own:)Looking forward to the upcoming football season! Go
Just to defend my university's business school, which I happen to attend
myself...The Marriott Schools accounting program is very highly rated, having
achieved a No. 1 ranking by the Financial Times in 2006, a No. 2 ranking in the
2005 Public Accounting Report, and a No.6 ranking in 2003 by U.S. News and World
Report. Not top 10 in the nation, eh? It's actually very competitive, and the
"Big 5" accounting firms in the nation recruit very heavily from BYU.
I'm glad that anonymous is defending BYU, but it really is inaccurate to say
that BYU's b-school is in the top 10 in the nation - it's not even close, and
you could ask anyone that went there to attest.However, the fact
that BYU ranks #1 in its alcohol consumption says more about its people than its
academic rankings. I know, I went to Wharton and have seen plenty of smart
drunks in my day.
Adam-Do you go to BYU? have you ever gone to BYU? if not then how can you
tell us, the students how we act?...wait? were you making a judgment when you
wrote your comment about how as BYU students we are now going to be judgmental?
Hey Underground and Disgusted I totally agree with Mike, just because you guys
couldnt complete with living the standards of BYU, like many students do, it
dosent mean you have to go in and target us on a religious point, just because
you didnt complete. And for that self-righteous comment you made about us
"momos" your obviously not on the bright side of the scale because thats a
self-righteous comment you made... and as for Realist where are you
looking up your information on the academics of BYU? I dont think Wakepideia is
a valid source to be getting your information....maybe your just not top of the
this is stupid. just another thing for all the frickin students at byu to judge
everyone else against. yeah, they might be the most sober, but theyre also the
I'll disagree with realist. The academics at BYU are very successful. As I
recall, BYU's Business School is in the top 10 in the nation. The Law school
and other sections of education have also been very successful. The claim that
BYU is rarely near the top is flat out false.
I have to agree with realist. It doesn't do BYU an ounce of good to to be
"stone-cold sober" if it isn't anywhere near the top in education. As to
gr8fulcougar's comment...I don't have to look up the definition of deride to
know what it means, and just because someone differs in opinion, doesn't give
you the right to suggest that they are unintelligent.
Lets not pat ourselves on the back too much. BYU might be "stone-cold sober" and
have a great library, but check the numbers on topics that actually mean
something to a university academically, such as overall quality ranking and
individual college quality rankings.Sorry, but BYU's rarely ANYWHERE
near the top. Stop looking for statistics to make yourself look good and start
figuring out how to improve your university.
BYU is a incredible university. I am exceedingly thankful for the Honor Code and
all those who choose to observe it. Having attended Cal Berkeley myself
(although I can spell - unlike "Anonymous"), I deeply appreciate the morality,
spirituality, and lifestyle of the students. My daughter was honored to have
been accepted as a student at BYU, and she had three Ivy League schools from
which to chose. Of course, what the Princeton Review doesn't seem interested in
is the fact that most of the students have a great time at BYU. The students
I've met also possess a great sense of humor.Congratulations to all BYU
students and alumni, and thank you to the faculty and administration.
WHAT A SURPRISE!!!LOVED the comment, "Don't expect any campus
parties to celebrate a solid decade of super-hyped sobriety," which is TRUE. Just an article, probably written by BYU alumni, was enought to celebrate this
AMAZING, RIGHTEOUS-BY-HEART ACCOMPLISHMENT.Way to Go Cougs, free-caffeine
diet Coke for all.
Man, its a good thing they didn't interview any BYU "students" taking online
courses. I would have definitely thrown off those results!
Does the fact that those who are clearly anti-BYU and enjoy deriding the beliefs
we hold dear have to log onto the BYU website to make fun of us make anyone else
laugh? They probably had to look up the word "deride" too!
I think it's hilarious that BYU came in #1. It may actually BE the most sober
school, but there are so many people there who don't abide by the rules. They're
just really good at concealing it so they don't get kicked out. So then when
people fill out these surveys, they think there really are no problems. Well,
whatever, surveys don't really matter anyway.
Mr/Ms. No One in Particular, do you mean prescription drugs/anti
depressants/pain killers as other alternatives to alcohol?
Bob, it's simply an honor to do what the Lord asks. Personally I don't feel the
need to question it any further, not to mention I'm happy with other
alternatives to alcohol.
Why is everyone referring to this as "an honor?" I'm fifty-two and I've been
drinking since I was in the Marines in the seventies. I enjoy it! I've never
missed work or hurt anyone else because of it and I think that mixing a perfect
Manhattan is akin to creating a great pasta sauce. I'm glad I learned to drink
and carouse when I was younger. I now look back on drinking in college as
sometimes great fun and sometimes quite stupid. You know, like life. But I
learned from it and I think that's what college should be about. I would
highly encourage any BYU student to learn the joys of picking the right wine
with the right food and maybe enjoying a cool one with your buddies while
watching the Ute/BYU game this fall. Forget the rules and what's expected.
College is a time to say-"I'm going to set rules and the crowd aside for awhile
and live life."I honestly think that if we would take a more adult
approach to drinking, we could avoid the idiocy of binge drinking and the darker
effects of immature guzzling.
"...I once heard that Utah is the number one per capita state in prescription
drug use, specifically anti depressants and pain killers." --posted by
PercodanCorrect. Those stats were quoted on local radio--this
week--in the Pacific NW showing UT has the highest prescription painkiller rate
in the West...not sure what that has to do with BYU being stone-cold sober,
though. I did a little digging and noticed a spike in the data in
November of '06 in the SLC area. A number of doctors, many of them
psychiatrists, in the vicinity of Rice-Eccles Stadium reported increased demand
for Vicatin and Darvocet by patients who came in incoherent and repeating two
words "Beck" and "Harline."
Did Chico State win the polar-opposite of this award again...or did that honor
again fall on our MWC compadre SDSU? heh heh...
read the history behind the honor code and you will be horrified not proud of it
i love byu. i've never felt more happy, spiritually uplifted, or academically
successful in my life. great school and i'm honored to be a byu student. and i
love the honor code and think it's brilliant.
Jim McMahon must be yearning to return!
is there any question on prescription drug use? I once heard that Utah is the
number one per capita state in prescription drug use, specifically anti
depressants and pain killers.
There is no mystery...A&W. The only true rootbeer.
I received a BS and Masters in Soc Work and a Cert. in addictions counseling at
the "U" during the '80's. I've seen too many college students over the years
ruin their opportunities for a good career and/or life because of poor choices
related to the use of alcohol (and drugs). Yes, there are good people who drink
alcohol and are responsible citizens. It's just nice to know there's a school
that provides an optimal learning environment for the students...something that
isn't done at most other Universities. Kudos to BYU!!!
"But the mystery remains-Mug, Barq's, or A&W?"Can't be Barq's,
it has caffeine ;)
This is all happen because the school is also guided and directed by the Lord
Jesus Christ himself.We are just crew on board.Go BYU
keep it up and never let go.May the Lord continues to pour out his
spirit on the school.
BYU is amazing.
BYU is also the least-caffeinated campus in the world. Now that Hart's across
from Helaman is gone, where or where do the co-eds go for leaded soft
Right on Underground. I know of many BYU students and grads who drank and even,
GASP, participated in the illegal use of drugs!
Underground, how dare you come on here and insult members of the LDS church!"Momos" should be capitalized! (Where's the winking
Hmm, guess all the people I partied with at BYU didn't fill out the little
princeton survey, hahaha. BYU does some great marketing, that's for sure. All I
can say is, you momos are the most self-righteous bunch I've ever met. Thanks
for the laughs; I'm sure I'll get more when I read your replies to this.
"Good job, BYU!! Drinking one beer makes you drunk as well as a belligerent
alcoholic and a bad person!! I, for one, believe Utah County should be a dry
county. It's about time we end the glamorization of alcohol by the liberal
media."Brilliant sarcastic comment! I'm surprised anyone took this
seriously!Only in Utah! The good Lord gave us FREEDOM of
CHOICE, like we are granted in the United States Constitution. I suggest
if you want to retain your FREEDOM of religious belief, you DO NOT vote for CFR
Globalist Mitt Romney, but the true defender of your FREEDOMS, the CONSTITUTION,
and UNITED STATES SOVEREIGNTY, RON PAUL!
Did Mr. "Get out and experience more" go to MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Harvard, or
"Why hang out in Provo with like-minded people?" To have a good influence around
you! To not have to keep turning down parties! To attend devotionals and
firesides with general authorities! As long as you don't choose to ignore
everything and everyone outside of it, BYU is a great place to be, as shown by
this article. Don't ge me wrong, there's nothing wrong with going to other
schools, but there's nothing wrong with being around "like minded people"
either.P.S. To "My Dad Went to the Y For Summer": A&W :)
Way to Go BYU! 10 straight years is a great accomplishment. The Library is a
great place to hang out too. BYU has a great example to set for the whole world.
Keep up the good example and keep the ranking next year.
You don't need alcohol to fuel your education or pot to enhance your creativity.
Education isn't about like think ether. At nineteen it should be apparent you've
left the womb. If you're LDS, you know what your church believes. Get out and
experience more. BYU is tied with three schools for 37th place. In a
world with MIT, Cal Tech, Berkeley, Harvard and Penn State why hang out in Provo
with like minded people. You have eturnity to
Doesnt anyone else find it disturbing that they actually measure sobriety at
institutions of higher learning? I for one take my hat off to those students at
WVU who do remain sober despite the apparent ease of obtaining lots of alcohol
and other drugs. And I agree with the library ranking too -- it was a great
place to nap before a big test!
But the mystery remains-Mug, Barq's, or A&W?
According to the last book, Harry Potter was born in 1980. So in 1998 he
would've been 18, and already out of school. Maybe moving onto BYU?
Commendable rank. One beer does not make one a bad person. The U of U is
nearly as religious as BYU according to the survey, and I love BYU's sobriety
and focus on what is most important.
S Righteous was being facetious folks. I suppose I shouldn't have said that
because it takes all the fun out of reading the responses to him/her.
"No partying, but you have to mention the Satanic Harry Potter garbage?"Worse than that, they mentioned the Antichrist himself...*gasp*...Bill
S Righteous - You have to be kidding me. Drinking one beer DOES NOT make one a
'bad person'. How offensive! While I find it commendable BYU has a stellar
sober reputation, I think it's disgusting you would call a casual drinker
(hence, one drink) a bad person. Who are you to judge?
I did my undergraduate at San Diego State and am working on an MBA at the Y.
Talk about going from one end of the spectrum to the other. Having seen
first-hand what alcohol has done to the lives and futures of good friends I must
say congratulations to BYU and its honor code. More congratulations to those who
attend and follow that code for the right reasons.
I get the point and I retreat: If I choose to go to BYU, I already have chosen
voluntary sobriety. Thanks folks.
"BYU has dominated the stone-cold category since 1998, when Bill Clinton was
president, BYU-Idaho was still known as Ricks and Harry Potter was just 12 years
old and in his second year at Hogwarts."No partying, but you have to
mention the Satanic Harry Potter garbage?Your priorities are
To A BYU goer; It IS an achievement voluntarily achieved by each student who
signs the honor code contract. No one is forced to sign just as no one is forced
to attend. The only "imposition" is voluntarily accepted by those not wishing to
live the standards they agreed to.
Imposed? I suppose so, but not involuntarily. They go there because of the
standard, because they want to live that way. I did, and I sorely miss it at
grad school here in the southeast. And everyone else I know that has gone or is
going to BYU had a similar agenda. At least most of them do. I guess being #2 on
the reefer list is witness that it isn't quite universal. But the standards are
hardly a secret that is sprung on them after they enroll. It is all laid out for
them by their ecclesiastical leader when they first apply, or by the coach when
they are recruited, or whatever the route they take. They are given every
opportunity to ask questions and make sure they understand what they are
committing to, and that it is what they want. I may be wrong, but I believe the
Honor Code at BYU was originally proposed and instigated by the students
themselves back in the day, and subsequently endorsed and codified by the
school. That is hardly coersion.
To a BYU goer...Don't you get to choose where you go to colletge? Don't you
chooose to sign the honor code? If not, I tell you like I told my own
kids, FIND ANOTHER SCHOOL and let someone have your coveted position there! If
any student resents the honor codes, they should give a good spot to someone
who will love it! Its a privilege AND AN HONOR to choose voluntarily to keep
the honor code. Anyone who resents it, needs to just go to a state university.
I know the difference..I did both. IMHO, it IS voluntarily achieved, if a
student is who they say they are.
When our daughter went from Germany to Utah after marrying an RM she started to
attend BYU. Her grades went straight into the sky - something I partially
attribute to her high IQ but even more to the culture of learning and achieving
at BYU. It is great to see that students attending BYU take their covenants
seriously and thus contribute to being an 'ensign to the nations'.
Well... it's an achievement imposed on and not voluntarily achieved by BYU
I think the proudest achievement should be that the library is ranked #3 in the
nation. That's something that is very commendable and exciting to know that BYU
ranks up there with the Ivy League schools.
May BYU ever continue in this vein. IBM learned (and taught) a long time ago
that distinction creates awareness and attracts people of influence -- Big Blue.
Others simply call it a Unique Selling Proposition. USP is vital to all
marketing. BYU has separated itself with good distinction. Donors are fully
aware of all that makes BYU distinct and donate accordingly. And parents
willingly send their kids there. Smart move purely from the marketing side...
and great distinction from all the other sides as well.
Nicole - BYU is 11th in that category. Utah was 16th.I just wonder
why BYU has only been attop this list for ten years. Is that how long they have
been doing the survey?
Thanks Y! When I was there in the seventies unfortunately I rebelled, I found
the very few who smoked, drank etc. I'm ashamed and wish to apologize. If I
could do it over I would be in church on sundays instead. Keep up the #1 that
matters. Go cougs!
Hey HappyValleyDweller, most of the media is left wing (or just about). But not
all media promotes it. S.Righteous' point is to stop making alcohol appear to be
a great thing when really it is poisonous trash. Of course people can choose but
it is absolutely deceptive and insidious to portray alcohol as most media does.
Same goes for cigarettes etc. Why not target prevention instead of rehab and
other repair? And no, we can't just let people drink and drive and then throw
the book at them! That is a last resort. Are you kidding? People's futures and
very lives are in danger. It sounds like you don't care too much about what
happens in society. Happy Valley needs you to do more than just dwell in it my
I care! It makes me happy to know that BYU is getting publicity for doing
something right. That's not the type of news that you hear everyday. I just goes
to show that if you use your agency the way the prophet tells us to, great
things happen. I'm proud to say I go to BYU, even if it's not perfect.
What about BYU-Idaho?
S.Righteous, that sounds like too strong of a judgment to me. I'm not sure if
you are coming at it from a political or religious perspective but your claim
that the left wing media glamorizes alcohol use is a lazy accusation: all media
promotes it. Most people I know who drink do it regardless of their political
persuasion. How about we live our lives as we choose and allow others to live
their lives as they choose. If they choose to drink and drive or abuse spouses
and children then we throw the book at them.
I wonder where BYU ranked on the acceptance of a gay community. If the U was
ranked 11th, how did BYU rank?
I think a lot of people overlook the talent it takes to write a story like this,
which has happened 10 years running. Walch parlays his words into a creative
masterpiece which make the article interesting, and fun, to read. Good job, BYU!
Can't wait to see Walch top this story next year, when he'll get to write it
BYU is one of the greatest examples of the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
Other kids leave home for college and parents worry themselves sick about what
they might be doing. Our campus reflects what we believe, and that's why it's
BYU is also caffeine free. Why didn't they get that award?
I just got back from a cruise and they made fun of this ranking but, darn it,
I'm so proud to be different!!
I'm so proud of our school!
Rise and Shout!!!Bust the Root Beer out!!!
i love it! go byu! but we need to be number one in lowest marijuana usage as
I agree with you S. Righteous!! And someone! BYU is amazing and sober!
BYU is amazing!! and sober!!!
Good job, BYU!! Drinking one beer makes you drunk as well as a belligerent
alcoholic and a bad person!! I, for one, believe Utah County should be a dry
county. It's about time we end the glamorization of alcohol by the liberal
It is news, especially for the party schools. they can't fathom how someone can
not drink, not smoke, not do drugs... they figure it is their right of passage
and how dare someone not partake.And to go to college and study..
the horror of it all.
Randy in AZ. That was funny man. Even if ol Rick doesnt like it. Good for BYU though. Having the standard is one thing and getting the results
is a whole different game. Congrats.
Well done, BYU!! Why are we so awesome??
Yeah, this is great news. Nothing makes you prouder to see the school you
helped gain that ranking still have it! There is too much to worry about in
life than adding the problem of alcohol to your life. I know of many university
presidents who envy BYU because of this...they always have to deal with
intoxicated people and the dumb things they do. This is a great
honor for BYU.
Why is this news, again? It might be news if BYU didn't get on this list every
year, but somehow the news that BYU remains sober isn't exactly "NEWS"
And this is news?
Way To Go BYU! This makes me so proud to be BYU alumni.
Don't bite down too hard....the tongue in your cheek might suddenly become a lot
shorter.[for Randy in Arizona]
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