I know for a fact that the satellite companies are being offered a fair price.
In fact comparable to the 17 other providers that have accepted the MTN. So I
don't think it is about the money. For some reason the satellite companies are
holding out and we need to put pressure on Dish and Direct-T.V.
Chalk me up as one more person, out of state (in Oregon) who has absolutely no
wau to get half of the BYU games. I can't get them on Dish, DirecTV, or the
Comcast that I ALREADY have. I can't get the games on PPV, or ESPN gameplan, or
rebroadcast on KBYU. I can't get the games streamed on the internet, and am left
using slingblox, which I feel isn't exactly what the MWC commissioner had in
mind when he was looking for "wider national distribution."I
understand that there is money involved. Comcast wants to get top dollar since
there is obviously demand across the country. DirecTV and Dish don't want to pay
top dollar since stalling just increases pressure on Comcast and increases the
probability (through pressure from the comissioner, schools, and fans) to drop
the price to the sat networks. I don't see much reason for Comcast
or the Satellites to bend. They both stand to lose if they give in now. And so
it is time for some type of external pressure to take control of the situation.
The MWC needs to give Comcast some ultimatums, and then walk when they aren't
met. I'm glad that they hired a high falutin' attorney, but unless there is some
action behind that subltle threat, then we are not getting anywhere.Two years ago, I was more than willing to pay $15-$20 bucks a game to ESPN
gameplan to be able to watch every sinlge game. I've got a big stack of money
saved up to watch this year's games, and it's all going to the first person to
solve this horrible stand-still and get me some good BYU coverage. I don't care
how, just get it done. Please.
Ok, I give in. Not being a BYU fan and having an epiphany about whats in their
best interests is a strange feeling. After reading the article, and examining
the comments. It became clear that the time has come for BYU to pull a Notre
Dame. BYU has the clout nationally, with millions of fans; they have
the tradition, meaning it seems anyone who is asked will do a home and home game
schedule with them. Yes it is time they release the ties that bind and become
independent and form their own network. Heavens I think I have already seen it
on satellite called the BYU Channel. Its time to simply add BYU athletics to
the mix. Bring in one of the networks oh I dont know say NBC the KSL big
brother or ESPN to broadcast the bigger national games and there you have it
money, notoriety and most of all consistency for their fan base. Oh sure they
would leave the Mountain West, but what has it done for them lately. Do you see where my conflict arises? Not being a fan and promoting whats best
for them well it hurts, but it only strengthens the validity of the statement
that the truth hurts.
So I keep reading and hearing that the BYU games can be seen on the internet
this year. Is this the same as last year when they charge $20 for 1 game, or do
they have some kind of decent package?
I missed the other article where you asked about how we feel about if you should
still talk about the TV schedule, so maybe I'm voting late. However, I will
still add that I am very upset about the TV schedule. This is choking the
league in terms of fans and recruiting. There are too many other things going
on to even follow the MWC if it is not on my TV. How are MWC schools going to
recruit local players if they can't even see them consistantly on TV? What
about 10 years from now when the superstar that would have grown up a Ute fan or
BYU fan now grows up loving the Pac 10 or SEC just because that's who's on?
This decision has affected the league for years to come.
I live in the Twin Cities, MN and would happily pay more on either Charter
Communications, Dish, DirecTV for the Mtn but can not. I'd even take it
streamed on the internet. The commissioner and other people responsible for the
design of the contract are to blame. It is so narrow minded to only think those
in the mountain states are interested in these teams. It was so exciting for
the MWC to finally have some respect with BCS busting a short while ago and now
is on a sharp decline with national exposure and respect. The commissioner has
failed its fans.
Scott, thanks for keeping this issue in the news. The fans of teams in the MWC
are being shafted big-time by the idiot running the conference. The first order
of business should be to run Craig Thompson out of his office on a pole. Second
order of business is to sue the pants off CSTV/Comcast for their negligence and
bad faith in securing the widest possible distribution for MWC sports. In lieu
of the sat companies adding the mtn. to their lineups, CSTV should, in good
faith, start carrying all of the mtn. football games...that would allow sat
customers to see these games.
Perhaps if this continues for another season, the MTN will find themselves
without much of a fan base as those of us they jilted listen to podcasts for
those we can't see, and save up to attend more games live.It's very
sad that those who could will not admit the mistake and fix it. They
should fix it before they all lose their jobs.
bcs votes come from all over the country. mwc games are NOT seen all over the
country. who in their freaking right mind is going to vote for a team they can
either never see play or have to go so far out of their way to see that they
have to jury rig some slingshot/slingbox whatever wacko thing to see a freaking
football game? oh! we used to complain that our games on on 'soooo late on ESPN
that no one can see them that late on the east coast'. now the east coast
doesn't know who we are much less see our games. sounds like a jim dandy
improvement to me! morons... and oh i live in los angeles. we won the fiesta
bowl not even three years ago and my co-workers don't know who utah is already.
but EVERYBODY knows who freaking boise state is! cause EVERYBODY has ESPN and
can see them on *tv* even if they don't live in idaho! morons...
When is all this talk going to lead to action... send in the troops with their
brief cases and sue Comcast
There is one solution to this mess. Somebody publish the names, phone numbers,
cell numbers, email addresses of everyone from Craig Thompson down including
every University president, athletic director, etc in the conference. If these
"glittering jewels of colossal ignorance" were personally held accountable by
the fans this would end tomorrow, contract or no. But no we seem to excuse the
guilty and blame the satellite companies who frankly are correct in their
stance. Its all about money. Yours....
In the beginning, football was about RECRUITING and ENROLLMENT. How is the world
can the MTN. be good for the schools if it limits, rather than expands national
exposure. What a debacle.
I can't get Comcast where I am, so switching to cable is not an option. I also
can't get KSL radio here to listen to the games. My only option when the game
is on The mtn. is to listen to KSL internet. I hate to do that, but it's better
than not being able to listen to the game at all. I contacted Direct TV and
they said they were working on it and hoped to have it soon. Then someone else
told me they hoped to have it worked out by the 25th of August. Has anyone
heard anything similar when they called Direct? Currently I have Dish and
they're useless. I can't wait to switch when something becomes available.
Thousands of we alumni want more BYU, U of U, Boise, Idaho games out here
in Zion East. We love it when they beat the locals like Duke, UNC, NC State even
thought my kids are their alumni. Loyalty to school runs deeper than blood.
:-)Please do all you can to promote TV coverage...I don't care if it
is 10 or 11 pm, just get them on TV!Cary NCMount Pleasant,
UTSnow College AlumnusBYU AlumnusU of U AlumnusBoise
State FanIdaho / Idaho State FanUtah State FanWeber State
FanSouther Utah State Fan
Why is no one busting DirecTV for the Sunday Ticket? Because ANYWHERE you are
you can get it if you want it! You may have to switch but it is available.
Comcast? They 'serve' our area but no mtn. I would switch, I would go PPV but
there is no option.
I would like to know who the great sales person was that sold this load of crap
to the MWC. He or she should be up for the sales person of the year award.I am a Utah fan in SaCal. At this point I have to be a USC fan since I have no
way of watching my Utes on my TV at home. Great decision! I wonder how many
supporters the Utes and Cougars will loose because of no option to view their
games.Congrats to the MWC for being sold the worst television contract in
the history of televised sports.
Now that I've started to follow PAC-10 football here in Washington (because of
the lack of distribution and coverage of MWC sports and the Mtn.) I'm getting
the opportunity to see some really good football! I wish Craig Thompson would
take note!The Huskies have an unbeleivable home schedule for the
next two years:2007: Boise State, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Arizona,
Cal, Washington State2008: BYU, Oklahoma, Stanford, Oregon State,
Notre Dame, Arizona St., UCLADo you think anyone in their right mind
would give up watching the Huskies games live against those opponents to watch
MWC games on a 2 inch screen that is skippy and choppy (and at $15-$20 a pop.)
That is what Craig Thompson is offering MWC fans when he says "worldwide
coverage." If that's the best that the MWC can do to get my "entertainment
dollar"... then the conference is on a long, long road to nowhere!I
used to pull hard for the underdogs in the non-bcs leagues, and I still do, it's
just that the teams from the MWC are no longer in that discussion. It's come to
the point that the only people that care about the MWC live in Utah, Wyoming,
and parts of Colorado (The Mtn. stronghold!) Craig Thompson's TV deal has truly
turned the conference into a regional powerhouse! Maybe he should take a look
at how the up an coming programs are gaining respect, visibility, and
exposure... namely teams from the WAC - Boise St., Nevada, Fresno St.,
Hawaii.At least I'll get to see my BYU cougars next year against the
Huskies! Other than that, I'll be watching the Husky games live, and listening
to the KSL podcasts of the BYU games.
I'm in Los Angeles and have no chance of watching the Mountain. Trust me, MWC
not having any exposure hurt the MWC last year in all sports. And without much
exposure this year good teams like BYU and TCU could be left out this year of a
BCS bid.The MWC/Comcast needs to get with the program. DO SOMETHING!! The fans have spoke!! GEE WHIZ!!!!!!
I understand that you can get DTV anywhere. Again, I'm talking for those who CAN
get mtn. If you have Dish and choose not to change to Comcast, that's your
choice. You HAVE the choice and choose not to. With Bob's example of DirecTV,
you're talking about switching to DTV to get Sunday Ticket. So you're SWITCHING
because you can....just like those who can switch to Comcast but choose not to
becuase they're in love with their Dish. Again- all I'm saying is
that for those who can get Comcast and choose not to, it's your choice. You
can't complain. Just like Bob's example of Living in Knoxville and being able to
switch to DTV if you want Sunday Ticket. Same rules apply. I'm only
talking about those who CAN get mtn. and choose not to. For those, you have the
Matt...To "Why is it that no one is slamming...."Because you can get
DirecTV everywhere. You can't get Comcast everywhere. You can get any channel
DirecTV carries everywhere. You can't get The MTN or CSTV on Comcast everywhere.
I know. I live in Knoxville and I've called Comcast. They've never heard of The
MTN here and have no plans to add CSTV. The same is true in most non-MWC Comcast
areas. So I have to suffer with one of the most over-hyped schools in the
history of college football--Tennessee (who, by the way, do treat their fans
For Comcast to demand that DirecTV give them access to NFL Sunday Ticket in
exchange for DirecTV carrying The Mtn is absurd. Comcast is asking for the
moon, and when they don't get it they can just refuse to negotiate for the true
value of The Mtn (they just want it as leverage in the negotiations). The Mtn
is just not worth what Comcast is asking for, and they know it. A
pox on the MWC and Craig Thompson for the atrocious contract they negotiated
(and for their audacity to expect us all to shut up and like it). Since Comcast here in SoCal has no Mtn, its another season of watching a
limited number of games on a 2x3" viewer screen on the CSTV website for $15 a
I agree with Scott Pierce, it is time for the conference to stop saying how
wonderful the channel is and how pleased they are with it. Some of my greatest
frustration comes from hearing the MWC pretty much ignore the fact that most of
the conference can't see the channel. The conference saying they are thrilled
with how things are going tells me they could care less about most of their fans
as long as they keep getting that fat check from CSTV/Comcast. I
wish that next time someone stuck a mic in Craig Thompson's face he would say
"yes, there is a problem, and we are trying to do what we can to rectify that,
we are not happy that most of the conference can't see the channel, it is
unacceptable in our eyes" Instead, he just prattles on and on about what a
success it is, blah blah blah, 6,000 hours of sports that we wouldn't otherwise
get to see etc... Well, I got news for Craig Thompson, just because
mtn. is airing it, it doesn't mean it is being seen.And while I live
in Las Vegas, for me to switch to Cox Cable would cost me $130 in cancellation
fees on my dish contract AND, the kicker of all, Cox's service would be $45 more
PER MONTH than I am currently paying with Dish Network for comparable
programming and hardware.
I live in South Jordan, UT and don't have the option of switching to Comcast.
It is not available so I have to stick with dish. I don't get why several of
you keep saying just switch or don't complain. I will continue to complain
because Comcast has no intention of making a deal and that sucks for those of us
that can't switch. I'll be honest, last year was so terrible, that I would
switch (if I could)even though I despise Comcast.
Switch or stop complaining is directed at those who can. If you want to get into
a discussion on if this whole thing is a good idea, I bet you and I share the
same sentiment. I had Dish Network last year and like you, took on a
new interest in the SEC and Pac-10. I finally realized that until something gets
worked out, I could either switch back to Comcast or continue to whine about it.
I switched and my Comcast experience has been fine. My question
still remains: Why is it that no one is slamming DirecTV for having exclusivity
to NFL Sunday Ticket and NCAA March Madness but Comcast gets slammed for not
handing their product over? Did both pay for the product?
We live in ST.George and have no options .BYU sports might as well be played on
Mars. It is really a disheartning situation.
Switch? that's a solution? There are alot MWC football fans outside of Utah!
We would like to see the games. We would like our friends and neighbors see the
games so that good teams in the MWC get some exposure. The way that the
situation is now... the only people that care to talk about MWC football live in
Utah!David... alot of us have swithched! We no longer watch MWC
football (because it's not available)... now we watch PAC-10 football, WAC
football, Big 8, Big 10, SEC. You and your MWC friends are going to have
difficult time convincing the rest of the country that you belong in BCS bowl
games when the people that care, would care, and should care.. can't see the MWC
teams play. I don't get to see alot of Canadien football, Arena league
football, or European NFL. I couldn't tell you who the champions are in those
leagues... nor do I care.I see the rest of the country taking the
same attitude toward MWC football because the games aren't available for viewing
in most of the country. It wasn't that way before "the MTN." BYU and Utah were
feared mid-majors. Now, nobody cares. The mid-majors that people watch out for
now are from the WAC."Switch or quit complaining"... that's crazy!
When there is a MWC team that is 12-0 or 11-1 crying for a BCS bowl bid... I say
to you "switch (to the WAC or PAC-10) or quit complaining!"
In responding to Ken, I think if it wasn't for Comcast there may not BE a mtn.
No one else wnated it because they knew the demand would be low. Aaron is right on the money. I swicthed too. I don't understand the banter
towards Comcast. After a years worth of discounts, my overall cable bill will be
$11 higher than it was wish Dish. Couple that with my Inernet bill dropping $10
for the bundle and it's equal. The picture quality is fantastic. The install was
quick. I don't work for Comcast. Dish's technology is better than
Comcast. Like Aaron, I just don't get it. Switch or quit complaining.
I'm in Denver and have Comcast, so I'm able to watch the MTN. But when we lived
in Utah, we weren't able to get cable in our subdivision and everyone had either
Dish or DirectTV. We would definitely be frustrated if we were still there.One complaint with the MTN, the picture quality is pretty crappy and
pixelated. Sometimes you would miss parts of key plays as the picture would
freeze and then quickly catch up. The old KSL-produced games were better than
some of the games we saw last year. The MTN also precludes any chance of seeing
a BYU or Utah game in hi-definition. At least with ESPN or network broadcasts
that option was there. Only the bowl games were in hi-def last year.I don't think a lot of thought was put into the decision to home grow a
For the rest of us outside of the inter-mountain west, satellite is really our
only option. I've called Comcast here in Tennessee and they people here have
never heard of The MTN. Not only is Comcast refusing to negotiate in a way that
will allow The MTN to be on satellite, Comcast refuses to put The MTN on its own
I live in Dallas, which is an MWC TV market (TCU), and Comcast doesn't exist
here. So I can't switch to get the mtn even if I wanted to. Needless to say, I
have no love for Comcast. I have no doubt that if CSTV hadn't sold 50% of the
mtn to Comcast, the channel would be on Dish and DirecTV already.
First I want to say that I am very sympathetic to those who have no choice.
However it gets really old listening to co-workers and other associates complain
about the situation when all they have to do is switch to comcast. I did. And
I didn't miss a single game last year, nope not one. The point is we switch
cell phone providers, land line providers, internet companies, and just about
anything else at the drop of a hat. So the question is... if you can switch and
you haven't...why the @#$%^& haven't you.
Living on-campus at BYU I'm able to enjoy the mtn., which is the ONLY reason I
enjoy it at the moment. (The regular programming aside from games is pretty
lame) Except for when I went home for thanksgiving, and forgot that the BYU/Utah
game was only on CSTV/mtn. It took over 10 calls to different people in my ward
to find someone who had either!
The Mtn shows far too many BYU games anyway. What about all the other schools
associated with the Mountain West Conference? They should rename The Mtn. BYU
After hearing Comcast's radio ads encouraging football fans to switch from
satellite to their service, it's pretty obvious why there is no deal with Dish
Network or DirectTV. The problem isn't the satellite companies accepting a
deal. The problem is Comcast and the .mtn have no incentive to offer a
reasonable deal to their competition.
DirecTV tells people that their product is the only way to get NFL Sunday Ticket
or NCAA March Madness, so what's the difference between that and Comcast saying
they are the only way to get the mtn.? As Scott Pierce says in his
story, the landscape of TV is changing. If you'd rather have NFL Sunday ticket
then mtn., you have that choice. if you'd rather have mtn., you have that choice
too. We simply can't get everything we want right now.
I can't blame Comcast. Most of the anti-Comcast emails you'll see are from Dish
subscribers. What about DirecTV not sharing the Big-1o channel or the NFL Sunday
Ticket with cable or Dish Network? What about DirecTV initially not sharing MLB
Extra Innings and taking an act of Congress (almost literally) to allow cable to
pick it up. Furthermore on baseball, what about DirecTV demanding that the new
MLB channel they own HAS to be on basic cable or no deal?Similar
deals are going around all the time. Get over your emotion and see that Comcast
isn't the punching bag you think it is!
Ray, BYU has no contract with Comcast. The Mountain West Conference does.
Meaning, unless BYU pulls out of the conference, they are stuck until the
contract expires. You are correct about Comcast lying, however. Spanish
Fork cable has more negotiating power than Dish and Direct TV? Yeah, right.
This is about Comcast controlling the airwaves. Hopefully, other college
conferences will get wise about this and refuse to deal with Comcast. I know I
Yep, I think slingbox is the way to go. I've sat out one season now, I'm not
going to do another. Even with the slingbox, MWC sports is still isolated from
most of the country. It's no use to try and bring BYU, Utah, or TCU into
football discussions in my area of the country (Washington State.) It used to
be that those teams were in discussions of BCS busters.. but that has now
shifted over to the teams that get the exposure on ESPN... Nevada, Boise St.,
and Fresno St. the WAC!Oh well, when you've got an idiot like Craig
Thompson running the conference what can you expect? I'll tell you what you can
expect... the same publicity, exposure, and noteriaty that the Sunbelt
conference gets... That's where Craig comes from, and he's convinced that he can
bring the MWC the same type of "exposure." Well Craig, it's working!For you readers... just name 1-3 teams in the Sunbelt conference off the top
of your head. I can't do it. That's what you can expect from the rest of the
country when they think about the MWC in about 2-3 years.
Perhaps BYU should reconsider joining the WAC which it abandoned years ago. They
have a very decent TV package with ESPN.
The anger felt by local fans over the MTN is due to the popularity of satellite
TV. As someone that has had Comcast, Dish, and DirecTV, I can state without
hesitation that satellite is a much better way to get TV programming. Moreover,
as a football fan I have DirecTV so I can also watch NFL Direct Ticket. DirecTV
also offers several affordable add-on sports packages. Comcast or Dish offers
nothing that even approaches this kind of coverage for professional football or
sports in general. So to get football from the MTN and keep my NFL, I would
have to add Comcast to my DirecTV service. Read: Expensive. Then there is the
inconvenience of switching between my satellite and cable with my TIVO, etc.
All which makes Comcast impractical. I dont think I am alone in
this boat. I would not surprise me that many BYU and Utah football fans are
also fans of professional football and have the Direct Ticket service from
DirecTV. Therefore, the MTN being on Comcast cable is the relative equivalent
of the channel not existing in the first place. Until a deal is struck with
satellite, DirecTV in particular, there will be plenty of unhappy football fans
in this area.I dont buy into the fact that Comcast is a cable
company trying to protect a market share from satellite TV. Comcast owns
several networks that are widely available on both satellite providers (the E
network, Style, and Versus, amongst others). There is obviously an existing
relationship between Comcast and the Satellite companies. Comcast,
as any good business model, wants to be diversified and have as broad a
distribution for any property they own. Broad distribution is how they bring in
the advertising dollars. The hiccup with the MTN has to be a matter of limited
distribution offering (pay per view sports package), or that the MTN wants too
much money. Something has to give, but I give the negotiating strength to the
Satellite companies. The MTN needs satellite more than satellite needs the
BYU fans, one word - Slingbox. Get a friend in Utah County to hook it up to
their cable connection and you can stream your own signal to your home over the
Internet. I watched almost all of the BYU games last year. While satellite is
better, Slingbox works great. No friends in Provo? Put an add in the local
paper and pay a BYU student a few bucks a month and they'll be your friend for
This is a conflict of interest plain and simple. Comcast is a bunch of liers.
They are never going to cut a deal with their competition (Direct TV/Dish). It
will never happen. It is just bad business. They aren't negociating anything.
Right now they have a monopoly and good business says keep it that way. What A
Crock! BYU needs to pull out of this so called deal and do their own thing.
They have the money and the recources to do their own tv production deal. The
Church owns 2 transponders and numerous tv stations and mobile tv production
facilities. They need to get on with it! Are you listening President
It is funny calling dish to request the mtn. They pass the phone around and no
one--I mean--no one there has ever even heard of it. So, if you live in
Oklahoma, like I do, you can just forget about BYU football.
Has the Mountain considered making their channel available on their website?
Charge $5.95 a month to stream the channel live, that way you have exposure to
the entire world at large with an internet connection.
Has The Mountain ever considered just selling a single channel satellite dish
system for the mountain only. It would be relatively easy to mount a
dish next a currently installed one, run a parallel cable, put a switch at your
current dish/direct TV interface and you have it.New slogan - forget