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http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D_lrg.gif
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/08/revised_temp_data_reduces_glob.html
And so now the first question in the minds of many will be is this information based off correct data, or are some using/invoking erroneous information for whatever reason?
The historical data on average annual changes in temperature as a result of ice ages is at least double the wildest predictions being made about global warming, yet the earth survived. Greenland was actually once green and covered in trees, and all that ice on it now was water in the ocean, yet the earth survived, and so did life.
And look at this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png
On a historical basis, the temperatures and CO2 levels today still do not eclipse those of ages past. Natural temperatures have been higher in the past than any temperature increases predicted by global warming, and life has still thrived and exploded even in the hottest temperatures and highest CO2 levels, not to mention sea levels that include the melted ice of Greenland.
And now we get this substantial NASA error that indicates that totally changes temperature records, making 1913 the #1 hottest year in the past 100 years.
I just hope scientists don't end up tossing their reputation in with the likes of politicians and HMOs by abandoning the scientific method and attempting to vigorously disprove what they believe.
Methinks cows and volcanoes deserve more attention.
Read the DailyTech article completely and you'll find: "The effect of the correction on global temperatures is minor (some 1-2% less warming than originally thought), but the effect on the U.S. global warming propaganda machine could be huge."
So, while *affecting* the data, the correction don't change the status of *global* warming.
What is also interesting, is that of the above relationships (CO2/temperatures, CO2/GDP, temperatures/weather and temperatures/storms) CO2/GDP has the strongest correlation and therefore the most closely interrelated. At best, there is a long term correlation between CO2 and temperature (but no proven causation), and there is NO proven correlation between temperatures and extreme weather and disasters.
Therefore:
There is no good reason to believe that increased CO2 emissions will cause worse storms and weather, or that increased temperatures will do more harm than good. Reducing CO2 emissions "just to be safe" is quite foolish because we would accomplish nothing and damage our economy. There may be other reasons to change our energy policies, but climate change should not be a reason to use less fossil fuels.
If you simply review the series of UN IPCC reports over the last two decades, the trend is toward more limited global warming. Thus, the modeled range of sea level rise by 2100, 93 years from now, is between 7 and 22 centimeters, a maximum of 10 inches, about 1/10th of an inch a year. That is within the range of historical sea level rise during the 20th Century, as ice accumulated during the last Ice Age continues to melt. Given that a storm surge from a single storm can be 10 to 20 feet in height, if your beach house is built to cope with those extremes, it should be able to handle another 10 inches a century from now.
That is the essential point about all of the temperature forecasts. The normal variation during a single summer day here in eastern Idaho is 40 degrees from sunrise to the maximum. The highs and lows vary by 10 degrees in the course of a week. How much difference does an additional degree or two in 100 years make? The biggest gains are supposed to be in warming during winter. Since it can get to 25 below zero here, a rise to a minimum of 22 below doesn't sound too bad.
Claims for catastrophic ecological change are speculation rather than fact. I am sure there were ecological changes when the mile thick ice over Chicago melted and left the Great Lakes, but nothing like that is in the offing.
The key question is, how much can we do about it? The people who want to regulate us to death for other reasons seize on global warming to scare us into obedience. The previous scares about the "ozone hole" and "acid rain" were also exaggerated. The 1990 National Acid Precipitation Assessment Program reported that hundreds of scientific studies found that acid rain was limited to a few lakes in the northern Adirondacks of New York, but Congress went ahead and created a massive program anyway, limiting use of high sulfur coal from West Virginia.
The ozone "hole" is an annual decrease that arises from two factors: ozone is created by UV light hitting oxygen, but during the antarctic winter, the South Pole is in darkness and the ozone machine is turned off. Ozone is unstable and breaks down of its own accord. It can be accelerated by chlorine, but only if the reaction is catalyzed by ice crystals in the stratosphere. The only place cold enough for those ice crystals is over Antarctica in winter. Even then, the decrease in ozone levels was only about 10%, and they always recover when spring and sunlight return. Unless your home is in darkness several months a year, you need not worry about ozone loss increasing UV radiation overhead.
The real irony is that the fake scares of the ozone hole and acid rain have, according to the UN IPCC, exacerbated global warming! The acid rain restrictions on high sulfur coal have decreased shading from sulfate particles, which some scientists claim caused the 40 year DROP in global temperatures until we started to regulate air pollution in the 1970s. The chemical refrigerants substituted for CFCs to protect the ozone layer are many times more effective than CO2 in trapping heat. In fact, the IPCC has estimated that the Montreal Protocol has ADDED 2 to 3 times the amount of heat that the Kyoto Protocol is supposed to subtract.
In other words, the IPCC admits that the biggest single factor contributing to global warming is stupid government overreaction to atmospheric scientists claiming we must take drastic action to prevent global disasters!! And now they want to do it again!
And there is a definite correlation between increased temperatures and the strength of storms - it is well documented. The warmer the oceans, the stronger the storms that form over them.
Climate, unlike daily weather patterns, is a well understood science. There is no doubt in any credible scientists mind that we need to take action; the hard part will be getting people out of their SUV's, into public transit, and developing alternative forms of energy. Each of these actions will help the climate, and the economy. We have to get our heads out the the sand, and accept that changes will be needed.
check the graphs again. 2005 was the warmest year in the last century, with most of the last decade being the warmest years on record.
This message board kind of looks like it was put together by Fox News...
I've not seen so much garbage spouted since I was in grade school.
Do some real reading, and some real research of the scientific literature, and then come back and post.
you disagree with many or most of the posters here, and yet you have not a single argument or fact to support your beliefs - just ad hominem attacks.
Shameful. Small wonder you can't get the little red-headed girl to be your friend.
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