What the article seems to miss, is the deeper common thread that unites the
'general' reasons for Utah's highest suicide rate. And
that's the fact that Utah is essentially Mormon. Some suicides may indeed
be unrelated to this, but I would suggest the common thread will be varying
levels related to a sense of unworthiness, alienation, guilt, rejection and
powerlessness. These are connected to, and stems from, a religious culture which
demands or expects conformity to a particular belief system, life style and
morality.... and this is the thing no one wants to talk about, or acknowledge.
Rachel Vigil did NOT commit suicide! Her accident was just that, an accident.
She loved life and was an extraordinarily happy girl. Please, do not slander her
names with lies and miscommunications. She had an accident that claimed her life
and she will be missed and remembered for the beautiful life she lived.
Not Vigal, sorry I had to correct, she was one of my best friends.
We have had two kids commit suicide at my school alone in the last 3 weeks, one
of which has a pregnant girlfriend. It has been so hard for everyone. I have
considered suicide before, not thinking about how it would affect others. Now,
having to go through these deaths and see the people around me deal with it, i
will never again consider ending my life. suicide affects everyone and i feel
for anyone who has had to deal with the death of a loved one. R.I.P. Scott Nye,
Kade Cooper, Nathan Edgar, Rachel Vigal, and Scott Burgin. We miss and love you
mormon... not morman
My family had a close incounter with a morman teenager in our town. He is a
young man with much passion and he thought he could think independently. It
turned out he was wrong. We had the opportunity to know him for 8 months. He
was shamed into going back to the chruch and wiped all close relations
completely away in order to return. My heart goes out to anyone, in any
religion, who is made to feel guilty, shameful, and told they will not go to
heaven, for free thinking. Is this not a free country? I understand why the
sucide rate is highest in Utah. There childern are repressed, depressed, and
learn at an early age to detach from their emotions and reality. My heart goes
out to this young man because his independent thoughts were stolen from him. No
one should ever have that taken away.
To May. I do not feel that a religious relationship would save people the way
you think. I have been close to ending my life and you find yourself in the
darkest pit you can imagine looking over a cliff. I think the best way to help
the situation would be to conduct surveys in schools, find those that have
looked over the edge of this cliff and turned back. Find those who chose life
and ask a simple question, "Why?". We have to find young people that are willing
to talk about their lives and we must be brave enough to ask the questions.
Never underestimate how complicated and deep the minds of young people can be.
Just because you disagree, does not change the facts. Our Mormon youth have so
much pressure and expectation, no wonder they fall into despair. They don't
have Jesus, His free gift of forgiveness and Grace. It is all based on how well
they perform for the organization. They need to have a personal relationship
with Jesus, where they can know they are forgiven, redeemed, adopted and FREE.
I disagree with the Dr. There are a good number of faithful LDS teens that hide
drinking and drugs from their families because they don't want to disappoint
them. They live double lives partying with friends on the weekend and going to
church on Sunday, reading scriptures, hiding the truth. These confused children
are good kids who, as mentioned in the article, are under a lot of pressure. It
is not wrong for children to decide the church is not for them. They should not
be shunned as I was as a teen for choosing a different religious path. Luckily,
I had a mother who talked openly about the church and drugs and let me decide on
my own what was best for me. My grandparents and ward neighbors still made me
feel like I was Satan's spawn because I had different views on religion and I
consumed alcohol. I had suicidal thoughts up until my son's father committed
suicide five years ago. The impact suicide has on a family is ever lasting. God
bless those who have lost a loved one this way. And may all the struggling teens
I've suffered with depression from the age of 12. The only thing that kept me
from considering suicide was the knowledge that I wouldn't really die, but would
have to face the Savior and explain why I cast aside his greatest gift. This
isn't a negative thing, however. I've also had moments of great joy and hope.
I believe that without God, mortality has no meaning, and the pain
it inflicts on many is too hard to bear. We have replaced God with the wisdom
of man's philosophy, such as nihilism and existentialism, and the belief that
the mind of man is the source of highest wisdom. But such ideas offer no
redemption, no purpose other than play out the insane game of survival of the
Were the cause of this suicide epidemic actually mental illness, we would still
have to explain why mental illness is more prevalent in Utah than elsewhere in
the U.S. And it strains the imagination to blame mental illness coupled with
drug use. These children of LDS are not allowed to drink coffee; they use drugs
at a much lower rate than children in other parts of the country. If we want to
explain the suicide epidemic, we will have to think harder.
My beautiful seventeen year old daughter, Julia Robison, took her life Aug 22,
2008. Just minutes after we had told her how much she was loved and how proud
of her we were for making good choices. My heart breaks for anyone that has to
live through this hell. Her two siblings are struggling so hard right now. I
will pray for each of you. This is an epidemic. We have to do something to save
If you read this again, and I hope you will. Your idea is great. If only they
knew. My daughter was one mentioned in this article. It hurts. It hurts beyond
words. Suicide is a veil of darkness that haunts families for the remainder of
their lives. I stumbled across this accidentally. I am glad I did.
I lost my little brother to suicide eight months ago. I don't think that the
people that try to commit suicide understand how hurtful the outcome is to their
families. I think that starting in junior high, kids need to have an assembly
with videos and stories about kids that went through with it, and how it effects
everyone they know. We definately need to discuss this subject with our children
now! The stresses that children are dealing with at the tender ages of the
teenage years are usually pretty trivial, and will disappear and be forgotten
with time. Kids that young should not be dying from their own hands. We need to
teach them now! I love you Alex, and miss you everyday!
Children here in happy vally are isolated from the start of their lives. They
are not allowed to work out their negitive interactions on their own, but must
be nice and and not be confrontational. People here are very private and cannot
have a conversation with a stranger. Here, people are taught to be estranged
from the community at large and therefore are not bonded to the love of life
that contoversial interactions promote. I'm from the east where people argue
about politics and religion, and people can deal with confrontation. This custom
allows one to externalize in a healthy way their internal feelings. Were these
suicidal children encouraged to express their true beliefs in a forceful manner?
Utahans hate confrontation. They are taught to internalize everything.
Sierra.... I love you.
Dear Deseret News,This is a powerful story. Would you do a follow up on
the families. How are they coping? Please. We all need to know, how are the
families dealing with this to this day.