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Birth defect is plaguing children in FLDS towns

Fumarase Deficiency afflicts 20, is linked to marriages of close kin

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  • Sorcha US, WY
    Aug. 12, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    I had the thought that now that Warren Jeffs has 'apparently' decreed (from prison) that only 15 men are approved to father any children at YFZ that this is only going to increase the incidence of Fumarase Deficiency. The same article also said that there must now be 2 male 'witnesses' to any sexual act. This isn't religion, it's perversion and these misguided people have bought into it. I suspect that many would like to leave but aren't able to.

    No, I'm NOT a Mormon.

  • Sad
    Sept. 16, 2008 7:29 p.m.

    There have been many women and men run away from/come out of the LDS or FLDS Church. The one in Utah, and the community in Kansas are polygamists and they do abuse thier children. One man often has 4 or 10 wives and 8-20 children. Since they are a small community they are all related now and so they are having birth defects. They have to have a different cemetery just to bury the children because they die so often from the birth defects. Google Flora Jessup, and look at the synopsis of the episodes for Secret Lives of Women (on WE tv). Look for Polygamy.

  • Nancy
    Aug. 8, 2008 3:09 p.m.

    AMEN Ankhorite!!

  • Nancy
    Aug. 7, 2008 5:30 p.m.

    Religion has nothing to do with this. This is a matter between right and wrong. A child of 15 yr old should not be forced to have sex with a man of any age. The world will be harsh with realities soon enough. This brings to mind the puppy mills that just keep breeding until birth defects arise. The reason it is against the law is because it is sick. All you defenders think about it... would you allow this if it were your little girl???

  • Anonymous
    July 2, 2008 8:22 a.m.

    I do want everyone to know that this is not just a disease that is from imbreeding like a lot of these articles make it sound. My child has fumarase deficiency and my husband and I are no where related. I carry one mutated gene and he carries a completely different one. Had we known this ahead of time, we probably would not of had children. However, these children in these communities did not do anything to deserve what they are going through and do deserve adequate health care. We have private insurance for my daughter, but I don't think taking away support for these other children will solve the problem.

  • Ankhorite
    June 26, 2008 8:02 a.m.

    The reason LDS people get blamed for FLDS behavior is that LDS politicians - and the LDS community as a whole - have done NOTHING to put a stop to this. Utah and Arizona's law enforcement structure protects interstate trafficking of women and girls for forced marriage, rape, and forced breeding.

    Utah & Arizona do nothing to prosecute or at least discipline the FLDS nurses who see the child abuse and fail to report it. Utah & Arizona have done nothing to increase the MISDEMEANOR penalty for abandoning male children as young as 12 - the "lost boys." Utah & Arizona have done nothing to investigate or prosecute the high rate of infant and child deaths, some without death certificates and in unmarked graves, which may be a result of genetic disease or of neglect of disabled children or unwanted boys.

    The welfare fraud gets everyone excited. Where's the excitement about the trafficking, rape, abandonment, and neglect of the children? How dare any law enforcement official claim they don't have the resources to look into this? The LDS community - all voters - should stop being passive and embarrassed and start being enraged and active. Clean this up!

  • H Rudr
    June 9, 2008 10:36 a.m.

    Polygamy is not the cause of any disease. Inbreeding is the cause of many genetic diseases. You get a group of people paranoid about everyone around them and what you get inbreeding. Same thing happened ( and still happening)to some germans that immigrated to south america and lived there in isolated communities.

  • RE:RE: FLDS vs. LDS
    May 18, 2008 9:44 p.m.

    I find it somewhat unsettling that your plan to have at least 5 children of your own is based on your memory of a fun childhood in a big family. having kids is a huge responsibility, and your first priority should be wether you have enough resources (financial, time, patience etc) to raise a well-adjusted child. One child requires alot of sacrifice, i dont think you should think of something so important in terms of the amount of fun you perceive it to be, that kind of mindset indicates egocentrism, which you cannot afford as a parent.

    I do not support/agree with the teachings of LDS or FLDS at all but i think we could all benefit from taking a step back and bearing in mind that group influence/processes sometimes operate at a higher level than individual thinking. there is lots of fundamental attribution error going on here and it would be myopic to condemn any member of the religion, after all they probably do not know any better. please have a look at the zimbardo study or asch study on conformity to have a better understanding of situational influences.

  • RE: FLDS vs. LDS
    April 30, 2008 6:36 p.m.

    Obviously you have a pretty narrow field of vision. People are people and raise their children how they feel appropriate no matter what religion they come from. There are plenty of parents who are abussive to their children whom are NOT of the LDS or FLDS faith. I happen to know for a FACT that members of the LDS faith are taught from birth to be loving of everyone, especially their own children. As for having many children, I grew up in a family with 5 children and would not want it any other way. In my oppinion, large families are more fun, and I plan on having 5 children at least. It it not a commandment in the LDS church to have many children, they simply preffer it that way. People have agency in all things. We are made aware of the consiquences and are free to choose for ourselves to make that choice anyway, and should not be suprised or react bitterly when that consiquence follows. Polygamy is illegal, bottom line. And yet these people still practice it in this country. They are seperate from the LDS faith and should not be associated with them at all.

  • FLDS vs. LDS
    April 29, 2008 8:15 p.m.

    I am not associated with either church. However, I have worked with homeless youth for many years and have found that the numbers of LDS kids who are thrown out of their homes and into the streets because they took part in the usual rebellious activities that teenagers partake in is EXTREME!!! I don't care who you are, if your religion dictates that you should only love your children when they obey, then you should not be having children. You should definitely not be having LOTS of children as both FLDS and LDS families do. Both religions are disgusting to me because of the neglect and abuse their children suffer. I knew one girl from an LDS family whose parents tied her to her bed for over a week to keep her from seeing her boyfriend, and many others who were cast off for being gay. The FLDS may be more extreme, but both religions are sick in that they don't allow parents to LOVE their children for who they are.

  • martyo
    April 23, 2008 8:37 p.m.

    I also don't care what consenting adults do, but they should be ashamed to call this christianity. They should all be arrested for sexual abuse of a child. Make their compound a prison. The men are clearly pediphiles. The mothers are just as guilty and the men. Has anybody seen any teenage males in all this? Where are they???

  • CA
    April 23, 2008 12:04 p.m.

    The sins of the father are visited upon the sons. So sad.

    God bless Texas!

  • jane
    April 21, 2008 9:30 p.m.

    what?

  • Faye
    April 21, 2008 9:34 p.m.

    Does anyone know if the children and women that are getting DNA testing, have any possibility of getting tested also for fumarase deficiency disease..the gene pool disease? All that is required is a simple urine sample test BUT the testers must know what they are looking for.
    If not who may we contact?????

  • Cmh
    April 21, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    This is a topic people are very passionate about. I am not a member of the LDS Church but am close with many who are. Mainstream LDS members denounce Polygomy. No question.
    What the FLDS community essentionally does is allow a man to legally marry one woman AND have several mistresses. This is morally repugnant, but not illegal.
    The only issue that can be prosecuted is child abuse. The investigation is being hampered by members lying about relationships and ages. This opens the door to prosecute obstruction.
    Everything else is beyond legal reach. Even the circumstances that have led to this terrible birth defect. I have a child with Autism so I am not being ignorant or hurtful to those effected. I can only pray that God will guide law enforcement to find any and all forms of child abuse AND have the wisdom to help these children heal. This is a phenomenal task. I hope the nation can focus it's energy on what can be done here, which is guarantee the safty of the children. Everything else is just noise at this point.

  • L
    April 12, 2008 10:31 p.m.

    To Ill 12:14
    Ask any woman if she would kike multiple husbands...

    While I do not go around asking that question, my observations over a period of years in several locations make me believe the answer must be YES by some.

    I have observed married women "sleeping with" or maybe it is called "swinging", "haveing a night out" or one of a numer of other terms used to indiciate having sex with multiple guys, some of them legally their husbands, some not. Pologamy (which I do not support any more than the others) at least on the surface calles it what it is, sex with multiple partners. Would any woman admit wanting more than one husband- Yes, I think they have demonstrated that answer contrary to your opinion.

    Maybe I will have to start asking an appropriate question to all the ladies I meet in the airport.

  • Just Me
    April 12, 2008 7:26 p.m.

    I find it laughable that anyone would say that these communities are "taking good care" of these handicapped children. I know for a fact that the majority of these children are left in rooms and forgotten, or given "cupboard" cures which they feel will heal the child: making bigger problems than before. Child abuse runs rampant in the FLDS community and will continue to do so because there is no clear cut way to expose it completely. I expect it is easier to be neglectful and abusive to a mentally challenged child who is incapable of crying out for help. Why does everyone try to pin rainbows and roses on a situation that continues to foster damaged people?

  • Fumarase deficiency
    April 12, 2008 2:22 p.m.

    is the least of the defects the males in FLDS harbor

  • Rick
    April 12, 2008 1:48 p.m.

    The government needs to move in on these FLDS and their immoral polygamy practices. Slavery was abolished long ago. These people make me darn right sick! This is America, and this stuff has been going on for far too many decades. It's time to clean up America, and put some lusty fellows into the slammer.

  • Stewart
    April 12, 2008 12:13 p.m.

    "Bleed the Beast," is what the polygamist say when they steal from federal, state or local taxpayers. They have little choice but to marry within the cult, because they don't trust outsiders, especially men. They fully intend to breed their own future believers. It doesn't look like from this article that this tactic is going to work over the long run.

    The problem could affect the future for our descendants. As this cult fails and members spread themselves through the general population, they will take this gene that they have carefully bred through the past century and pass it on to the innocent. It seems a lot like AIDS where the guilty were protected because they wanted to continue their practices at all cost. Because of their own perversion, they care nothing about the rest of the population.

  • katie
    April 12, 2008 8:54 a.m.

    it kind of makes me sad that these FLDS members don't realize what they're doing is wrong. that may be a personal opinion, but i think it's just about everyone's personal opinion. I sure wouldn't want to put my children through the pain of having the mental issues many of these children are getting. In a way, its a form of abuse. These problems could be prevented if these people would just marry outside of their family.

  • Just because...
    April 12, 2008 8:33 a.m.

    Just want to say I agree with Texas responding to this situation as well as the comment about abuse being claimed as a religion, therefore being 'okay'. Abuse is wrong...using children, women with no means of other support, into a type of 'sex business' is abominable. If these people are playing like they are married and yet claiming the women are single & using children to collect welfare...that is fraud. Polygomy is not allowed in our country...that is illegal. We see programs about other countries in the plight of trafficing young males & females in a sex trade, as well as children and are asked to support programs to help, yet here in our own country there is a mess similar to this going on. The legalities of this whole situation needs to be addressed and acted upon. If you could chose a life for your child, would you chose a physical or mental handicap? Think not. The children with these handicaps deserve better and it is a shame that prenataly they are not being protected by loving parents...that is called neglect. So much prenatal education available. These people know they are breaking the laws...act.

  • From the Wiki....
    April 12, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    Fumarase deficiency is extremely rare. Until a few years ago scientists knew of only thirteen cases worldwide. However, recently twenty additional cases have been documented in the border towns of Colorado City, Arizona, and Hildale, Utah. These two towns constitute a closed and controlled community, and were settled in the 1930s by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which is a breakaway sect COMPLETELY unaffiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As such, many of the surrounding communities refer to this disease as "Polygamist's Down's"

    The fumarase deficiency gene has become very common in this community, due to the practice of INBREEDING. It is believed that either Joseph Smith Jessop, one of the founders of the communities, or his wife carried the gene and passed it on to their descendants.

    The populations of Colorado City and Hildale are examples of the founder effect.

    SO SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Welfare cha ching
    April 12, 2008 4:00 a.m.

    They preach to "Bleed the Beast", in other words, to take as much from society as possible.

    Those seriously ill children have no legal father, their moms dont work... who the heck do you think pays for their high medical bills?

    Yeah you, look in the mirror! You support this atrocity!

  • Tansay Jimmie Redhorse!
    April 11, 2008 2:56 p.m.

    Don't these white people and their religions make you laugh sometimes.

    Through polygamy, rape and incest the young children become unknown victims. And to think we use to let the white churches take our native children away to learn and become like them! Our shame is deep now.

    Mother earth has a cruel sense of humor.

    Don't call me a lamanite, that ship has sailed already my friends. I am a Cree man.

    eksay!
    -Cree-man.

  • dear Higher Law
    April 11, 2008 2:40 p.m.

    The "highest Law" we live by is continuing revelation and direction from the Lord. There have been times when the Lord commanded polygamy to be practiced, most of the time not. When the President of the Church instructs that polygamy will not be practiced and individuals continue it is not "higher law"; it is ADULTERY. Polygamy has always been a readily abused and misinterpreted doctrine and now is no different. Read Jacob.

    Perhaps family history leaves some with mixed emotions or clouded judgement on the subject when confronted by a horror show like Jeffs/FLDS. Rest assured that from a thousand miles away there is no confusion about the fact that FLDS is and has been monstrously wrong. The only confusion is over why Utah authorities have allowed the situation to continue for YEARS.

    It is a blessing to the pitiful victims of FLDS that they were finally taken to a state where that confusion doesn't exist and authorities are willing to take action.

  • Jimmie Redhorse
    April 11, 2008 2:24 p.m.

    Native Americans identify themselves by a clan system (one from each parent). Natives know that intermarriage between close family members will cause a host of problems. Mainly birth defects. We are a warrior society and our wars introduced new genes into each nation i.e. capture of children and females (men were killed) diversified the native gene pool. Thought I would tell you our side.

  • dear Simple Genetics
    April 11, 2008 2:21 p.m.

    Perhaps in the hillbilly clan you come from 80% of all of the marriages are first cousin or closer, but in the real world your figure is painfully off. Perhaps you can get a refund on that genetics degree.

  • Watch your viewpoints
    April 11, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    Any reason to intermarry, whether it is for royalty, or religion or geographic has the ability to create physical problems.
    While we're at it, however, any reason to be separate from the general populace has the ability to create physical problems. Royalty: different diet, different problems than the general populace. (think 600 - 1800s). Religious: possibility of skewed metabolisms due to fasting. (Ramadan, perhaps?) Geographic: Smog in Big Cities, anyone?
    On the argument 'they're children' do you know how many children die or are crippled in car accidents daily?
    Way, way more than any little genetic disorder could do in a century.

  • Messed - up Rogers Ar.
    April 11, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    I can't believe we are facing this in this time in the world- Have they not learned anything? How can thy think marring and forcing a girl of 13 or 14 to have a baby is good for any one? What kind of messed up people are they? God help these poor people who think this is good. Satan has truly blinded the eyes of these people.

  • Anonymous
    April 11, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    The reason people will not get over it's because the man you call a true PROPHET stated all of this. If he was a life right now, he would belong to the FLDS church. They are a true mirror of the church he stated. I think it's about time you go back and research a little deeper. LDS stop the practice for now until the next life.

  • J
    April 11, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    Rape can have punishment results...Thorns, if you will. Do we not punish our children if they are wrong....there are consequences...many natural ones. I believe God will punish those responsible. If not today...JUDGEMENT DAY!

  • well, when you are . . .
    April 11, 2008 9:41 a.m.

    isolated like that, these things tend to happen.

  • Terry Hatcher
    April 11, 2008 9:24 a.m.

    No child deserves to be born with such disabilities.

    I understand that even in the mainstream LDS culture there is so much in-breeding that it has given rise to trends in birth defects that are higher among LDS than other populations.

    All the more reason why missionary work is SO IMPORTANT!

    If that is so, then why do Church leaders focus so much on marrying within the religion? Genetically, it would make more sense to encourage members to marry non-members so that the problems of in-breeding are no multiplied.

  • JT
    April 11, 2008 8:23 a.m.

    "Please keep in mind you are talking about real people. 'Intellectual Disability' is much better than 'retarded.'"

    However, the official diagnosis is "Mental Retardation." "Intellectual Disability" is just a politically-correct term and not a diagnosis. Mental Retardation is the correct term to use (and it is the term psychologists use when they diagnose someone with mental retardation).

  • massgirl
    April 11, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    stop the weldare--i would think this is within the law if you do not chose to educate your children properly-no access to books or even a library never mind state testing for school aged children. The welfare cycle will never end without an education to support yourself.

  • Eurocoug
    April 11, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    massgirl - Unfortunately you are correct. There are quite a bit of articles available on the internet, which explain how this works. Since these marriages are not legal, the women are able to claim to be single mothers to NUMEROUS children and get quite a lot of welfare. I won't acuse them of getting rich off it, but many of the articles say they are.

    I find it interesting and very enlightening that in this way they show their true colors. They don't respect the government and claim not to be bound by the same laws as everyone else, but they are more than willing to 'play the system' when it is to their advantage.

    Personally I view this as an extreme level of hypocrisy. That's just me though.

  • Just Pondering
    April 11, 2008 7:49 a.m.

    Massgirl, you didn't think they were being supported by fast offerings and tithing, did you?

    There's no industry in Hilldale/Colorado City. and I'm betting none in the Texas community. They don't speak with outsiders, and none of the women work outside the home. What other way do they have to support huge families, with disabled children, except that you and I pay for it with tax dollars. That's what got Tom Green in trouble - public aid fraud. Of course they collect welfare!

  • sheiladdoe
    April 11, 2008 7:30 a.m.

    If polygamy is against the law, how then are they legally able to draw welfare?

  • massgirl
    April 11, 2008 6:43 a.m.

    educate me. Am I understanding this that they collect WELFARE? Are MY tax dollars paying for this??!!

  • Re: Brother Murphy
    April 11, 2008 4:48 a.m.

    Please, don't blame your ignorance on God. Come out of your spiritual slumber already.

  • Fred
    April 11, 2008 3:30 a.m.

    I feel very sorry for these children and those who have to take care of them. That said, the FLDS broke off from the main body of the church about a century ago, maybe less. They certainly have nothing whatsoever to do with the modern LDS church. The problem isn't polygamy. Frankly, what consenting, non-related adults do in their bedroom is none of my business. However, anyone who has the time for more than one partner, be they polygamists, swingers, or cheaters, really needs a hobby because they clearly have too much time on their hands. The problem is abuse and inbreeding, and this is what led to Warren Jeffs being placed, rightfully, on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List.

  • Janey
    April 11, 2008 12:31 a.m.

    Well, geez, Matt. We didn't all come from just polygamists. It started with Adam and Eve. But, according to your reasoning, we should "love" and "embrace" everyone. So, I will now run up to the first pedophile I see and give him a big hug. I hope I can find a list of those who are into child pornography so I can E-mail my love to them. Would it not just be wonderful if a child-sex offender moved in next door so my children and I could take over some cookies? Thanks for your enlightenment.

  • Rick
    April 10, 2008 10:43 p.m.

    I don't care about the Polygamy or the incest
    as long as they are adults
    and it is consensual.
    what does bother me is they
    are getting welfare, if
    we were to end the welfare
    to the whole FLDS comunity
    maybe they would change
    there ways.

  • Anonymous
    April 10, 2008 9:46 p.m.

    Well, DUH!!

  • Gordon
    April 10, 2008 8:04 p.m.

    I am always amazed at how much emotion and how little rational thought appears in many of these commentaries. A few observations:

    I took an anthropology class from a professor who was an atheist, and in particular hated Mormons. Nevertheless, he was honest enough in cultural anthropological discussions to point out that throughout history over 80% of ALL cultures were polygamist --as the result of caring for women who survived warfare, as a product of wealth or status, disproportionate female numbers, etc.

    What about such people as the Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Polynesians, Africans, American Indians, pre-Roman Europeans? All were polygamists. Monogamy and celibacy were pagan Roman practices that were imposed on the world via the Roman Catholic church.

    All those railing against polygamy, if they traced their roots back far enough, would find that their ancestors came from polygamist cultures.

    The issue here is not polygamy, but inter-marriage and in this case, the polygamy simply resulted in the real problem, a lack of genetic diversity through intermarriage.

  • Matt Connelly
    April 10, 2008 7:56 p.m.

    I'm troubled by the disrespectful comments toward polygamists I see on this website. God teaches us to love all people. For those of us who are LDS, we should have an extra degree of compassion for these good people. After all, they come from us. They come from the same heritage we do. Like it or not plural marriage used to be a tenet of the mainstream LDS Church. Thus we should have an extra degree of empathy for these people who continue the practice.

    Of course I do not condone illegal abuse under any circumstance, but I'd guess that the vast majority of polygamists live honorable lives. So let us embrace these people, show them compassion, and treat them as children of God who for whatever reason believe differently than we do.

  • Ken Goddard
    April 10, 2008 7:47 p.m.

    Give the News credit for reporting on this dirty little secret. I had heard or read about this problem but did not realize how extensive it was.

  • WOW
    April 10, 2008 7:15 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with polygamy its got everything to do with pedophilia and the abuse of women and children. PERIOD>

  • snickerdoodle
    April 10, 2008 6:34 p.m.

    well what a suprise.

  • Get a real life
    April 10, 2008 5:52 p.m.

    You all speak gibberish! You polygamist are very sick people. You need mental help!

  • Hagar's Legacy
    April 10, 2008 5:31 p.m.

    Remember Abraham? As I recall the story, when Sarah failed to conceive a child she gave her maidservant Hagar to Abraham for that purpose. Thus Ishmael arrived on the scene. Then, surprise, Sarah was able to deliver Isaac. A squabble ensued and Ishmael was ousted. If you will turn on the evening news, I'm sure that there will be at least one story confirming that the fight is still going on 5000 years later. Isn't that proof enough that polygamy just doesn't work?

  • Re: Brother Murphy | 5:21 p.m
    April 10, 2008 4:39 p.m.

    "People living by a Celestial law . . . raising Celestial children"

    Maybe they should practice this law in the "Celestial Kingdom". Not here on Earth.

    Apparently you have two copies of that same recessive gene too!

  • Mormon finger pointers
    April 10, 2008 4:30 p.m.

    Why does everyone in the LDS church point fingers when you do something wrong at another religions constantly; WELL THE JEWS DID THIS, THE BAPTIST DO THAT! THE J-DUBS DO IT THIS WAY. THE CATHOLICS HAVE DONE WORSE! The Mormons are constantly pointing their fingers at other religions who do something comparisons to themselves that was wrong. You guys need to take a deep look into the nearest mirror. You and your judgmental, arrogant, backbiting behavior is going to put you all in hell soon or later. Is this part of your birth defect or what? You guys all believe in polygamy. So go point the finger for once and for all in your own faces!

  • Rich
    April 10, 2008 4:14 p.m.

    To Simple Genetics: The incidence of some genetic birth defects among Jews due to interbreeding are 20 to 200 times the rate among non-Jews. Some simple math on this particular Fumarase Deficiency is demonstrative. If only 13 cases of this disease were known in the world until 1988, that would indicate an extremely low incidence among the general populace. Even assuming that none of the cases before 20 years ago was among the polygamists and assuming that scientists knew of only 10% of the victims of this disorder, that would place the incidence of the disease at no more than 1 per 37 million people. Let's now assume there are 100,000 polygamists rather than the much lower estimates commonly given today and that the 20 cases of Fumarese Deficiency represent 100% of the cases present among the polygamists, that would mean the incidence is about 1 in 5,000. That means at the very least that a polygamist's child is more than 7,000 times as likely to get this one particular genetic disease. It stands to reason that interbreeding polygamists would have a far higher incidence of other genetic disorders as well.

  • RE: RE: RE: Not LDS?
    April 10, 2008 3:27 p.m.

    Well, dude, you are the one who is wrong, and has apparently come up with some very inacturate "sources" for your "research." It is not the "higher law." In fact, we just recently had that Sunday School lesson... I think you maybe should go back and read those scriptures and the Gospel Doctrine handbook. It is clearly stated by the Lord himself that it is "abominable" in His sight and is only to be used in extremely unusual circumstances, at His request. So how is it the "higher law" if it's "abominable" in His sight???? You are wrong dude!

  • RP
    April 10, 2008 3:05 p.m.

    Deseret News:
    I suggest treating verbage regarding people with disabilities with a little more care. Please keep in mind you are talking about real people. "Intellectual Disability" is much better than "retarded." Also, instead of saying "Fumarase child," it is more respectful to refer to the person first. "Child with Fumarase syndrome" for example. This allows people to better understand that the child is first and foremost a person, and they happen to have a disability.

  • FLDS vs. LDS
    April 10, 2008 2:14 p.m.

    FLDS is an offshoot of the LDS church with the divisive point being the practice of polygamy. There are obviously some connections today (temples, scriptures, history, etc...) but the same could be said for many religious groups. Jews and Christians have a similar history, scriptures, etc...with the big dividing point being Jesus Christ. Muslims also beleive in Adam, Abraham, etc...from the Old Testament but Islam of today is quite different from Judaism. If you take a step back, all major world religions are connected at the roots and each branched off at some point from the other. However, this happened thousands of years ago and FLDS and LDS divide has only been within the past 100 years. My point is that blaming the LDS church for what goes on in FLDS santuaries is shortsided and is similar to blaming catholics for all protestestants (lutherans, methodists, baptists, etc...).

  • Anonymous
    April 10, 2008 1:13 p.m.

    Ugh!!! What more can the LDS church and it's members say about not practicing polygamy before people actually believe that they really don't practice it, and that we are not connected to the FLDS and what used to be the RLDS. There are many religions that have off-shoots from the original one and they practice different things as well, they choose to practice what they want and disregard what they don't want. Get Over It!!

  • Re: Jeff
    April 10, 2008 12:59 p.m.

    Very simple:

    Most comments are made on articles people are currently reading. Someone remembered the article from two years ago, looked it up, posted a comment about it, and, more people starting reading the article. Soon the article started appearing in the "Most Popular" articles list and even more people started reading and commenting on it.

    The DMN didn't have to republish or repost the article.

    Thank you DMN for providing an archive a past articles!

  • Very restricted gene pool.
    April 10, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    My first husband died of a genetic recessive disease, we had one child, that was all we got, but wanted more. With this disease 1 in 40,000 are carriers of it, I would have had to also be a carrier, so the chances were half for her to get the disease 1 in 20,000. I do not know what the chances are for this disease in this small community, of where there are some of the 6,000-10,000 still living. But if there are 20 known cases and both parents had to be carriers, I think that makes it about a chance of 1 in 200 or 250, pretty low numbers for such a debilitating disease. The disease my husband had ended his life at the age of 37. I also dealt with a couple of the families with these children, one being about 16, that was 7 years ago, all the medical equipment they received was covered by medicaid. I have not heard if any of the children in Texas had this disease, I have been wondering if they only took the "elite" to Texas.

  • Jeff
    April 10, 2008 12:25 p.m.

    I wonder why so many comments are coming on this article two years after the publication of this article. Was it a slow news day for the Deseret News to republish, or repost, this article 26 months after the original publication date.

  • ill
    April 10, 2008 12:14 p.m.

    Ask any woman if she would like to have more than one husband -No way she'll say. This is bad news and should have been dealt with years ago. Perhaps by listening to a higher voice they decided to move to Texas and then the legal authorities down there got the word from God to go in and bust up this bunch disgusting adult men.

    My great grandfather had 4 wives and my husband's grandfather had 2 wives, but we both think in today's world it is nuts. We both stopped going to church years and years ago but not because of Polygamy, we just decided long before we know each other that wasn't of interest to us.

  • Angels among us
    April 10, 2008 12:08 p.m.

    From an LDS perspective, I have often heard and de believe that "special" children are angels sent here to protect us. They are fast-tracked to the celestial kingdom, if you will. Don't be surprised if these angels in the FLDS community may end up bringing salvation to their members.

  • RE: RE: Not LDS?
    April 10, 2008 11:45 a.m.

    I grew up in the church and served a mission. I know what I am talking about. Polygamy is the higher (Celestial) law. Why do you think they practiced it to begin with? Was it just a mistake? Its not practiced now because its against the law. Do a little research.

  • RE: Not LDS?
    April 10, 2008 11:09 a.m.

    I think you meant your title to say, "I'm Not LDS" because you obviously have never been to an LDS church meeting in your life. I've been a member for 30 years and I've ALWAYS been taught that anyone who practices or practiced polygamy after the church disbanded it has been or will be excommunicated. Besides the regular church meetings, our highest leaders have continued to teach that polygamy is wrong during the semi-annual general conferences.

    Where's your source?

  • Wow
    April 10, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    Why have the police been ignoring this for so long? Everyone knows these people have been blatantly breaking the law for years. Are they so powerful that they're above the law?

  • Corban
    April 10, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    These people ARE ABSOLUTELY connected to the LDS Church!

    They have ancestors more directly than most LDS Church members, going back to the early "Brethren" who were "commanded" to practice polygamy along with Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and others.

    Get your facts straight!

    These are DEFINITELY an offshoot of the LDS Church, genetically as well as religiously!

  • RE: Not LDS?
    April 10, 2008 10:15 a.m.

    Where do you get your facts? You should really stop using Wikipedia as your only source of information. You are wrong both about the church being forced to stop polygamy and about the church believing that polygamy is the higher law. Both of these items are simply not true.

  • Nothing good from Polygamy?
    April 10, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    To Tanner: Have you ever read the Bible? Some of the most revered prophets by Christians were polygamists. Have you ever heard of Jacob? Moses? Abraham? They all had multiple wives. To say nothing good has come from polygamy is using a pretty broad stroke.

  • Yeah, Right
    April 10, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    "An estimated 80% of all of the marriages in history are said to have been first cousin or closer."

    Whose estimate, yours? How was this "fact" determined?

  • Simple Genetics
    April 10, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    An estimated 80% of all of the marriages in history are said to have been first cousin or closer. As a geneticist Ill tell you that the probability of a severe birth defect among non-related individuals is 2-3%. The probability for related individuals is 3-4%, not a whole lot higher. This particular genetic defect is persistent among the FLDS because somebody who is a carrier of the recessive gene has had it expressed to the degree that it is surfacing more and more in the community. This would be the case in any small community, related or not.

  • AZ Phunguy
    April 10, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    Jeffs is a "fugitive" polygamist leader? I was sure he was in custody.

  • Not LDS?
    April 10, 2008 8:57 a.m.

    The LDS church didnt abandon polygamy, they were forced to stop or they couldnt become a state. The LDS church still believes in polygamy, they just dont practice it because its against the laws of the land. After all, polygamy, according to LDS belief, is the higher law.

  • seen them
    April 10, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    I think it is rather hard to defend something that is so directly linked to the practice on inbreeding.

  • Tanner
    April 10, 2008 8:43 a.m.

    Polygamy is wrong! Nothing good has ever come from this practice. Only pain! I do not believe in anyway that it was ever a revelation from God, perhaps though the devil. Now we can all see how miserably both woman and children have suffered the fate of this vile practice, because of a handful of over sexed males who think they can get away with this insanity in the name of God.

  • Reader
    April 10, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    Where are all the FLDS defenders, I read on the other posts? Ignoring this one?

  • Alberta Rose
    April 10, 2008 7:59 a.m.

    This syndrome is also a problem among Hutterite children in Alberta. The Hutterites are a comunnal people who are followers of Jacob Hutter, a German annabaptist sect. They also live in colonies where everyone is related. They do not marry outside their religious group.

  • seen them
    April 10, 2008 7:26 a.m.

    First of all Huh? These are not LDS children. They are not connected to the LDS church whatsoever.

    Second, since I work at the hospital here in ST. George, I have seen some of these children first hand. It is a terrible disease. These children have no real life to speak of. They are prone to other illnesses like pnuemonia and require constant care. I actually pity these children. There are reasons close relatives should not marry. Get a clue people

  • Sub-Odeon
    April 10, 2008 6:18 a.m.

    The FLDS lost their way. And now the children are paying the price. There is a reason polygamy was abandoned by the Saints in the 19th century, and the continued FLDS practice of forcibly marrying underaged girls to their close male relatives is a mockery of the true LDS gospel.

    If the FLDS has abstained from underaged marriage, and had they managed to bring in a sufficiently diverse (ergo, genetically diverse) number of adult females, it would be much harder to argue that their religious choice does anyone any harm.

    But the damage has been done, and the more it is revealed to the general public, the more clear it becomes that the FLDS have failed to grasp the spirit of doctrine, in addition to the letter of doctrine, and that this failure will only continue to bring sorrow and pain to themselves, and their offspring.

  • Sterilization
    April 10, 2008 12:49 a.m.

    We could sterilize all of them. While we're at it, we could sterilize everyone who has more than 2 kids, to cut down on the exploding population. And then let's sterilize everyone who is disabled or has a mental illness, in case they pass on their traits to children who would be a burden on society. I'm sure we could think of lots of reasons to sterilize people if we really tried. The only problem with this approach is a silly little thing called CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

    This is an incredibly sad situation, and government needs to intervene to protect current and future victims. However, we need to be careful how we respond to cases like this, to make sure we protect victims while respecting the rights of all. Otherwise, we may end up making rules that will come back to bite us in the behind. Some of you who are quick to take away someone else's rights would have a coronary if anyone ever tried to deny your rights in the same way.

  • huh?
    April 5, 2008 8:18 p.m.

    Huh? "he trusts special children with special parents"??? Is it also special that the fathers rape there daughters? This has nothing to do with god and is just sick.

    I grew up in an abusive religion called the Christian Missionary Alliance. It wasn't nearly as bad as what these the Later Day Saints kids are going through but it still gives me nightmares sometimes. I can only imagine what these little girls go through.

  • Brother Murphy
    March 16, 2008 5:21 p.m.

    People living by a Celestial law . . . raising Celestial children. God blesses people with children. He trust his special children to special parents. Keep up the good work.

  • Gma
    Jan. 11, 2008 3:04 p.m.

    Why don't they do vasectomies on all the males? Or sterilize the females. I realize that they are brainwashed in the two communities, but there has to be someone that can stop this inhumane practice. The taxpayers of Utah and Arizona are footing the bills for the medical care, plus the welfare that they are receiving to survive. One man in the community, can father over 100 children, and some do. I am very appalled by what I read of the two communities and Warren Jeffs.

  • Joker
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:54 p.m.

    They should just let them die out. Removing yourself from the genepool is a good thing if you think that marrying your niece or aunt is ok. Having children with them is a more serious matter, something that is outlawed and should not have endured for this long. The same goes for polygamy. It is not your religious right to break laws, the laws against inbreeding are there for the good of your children and the people they marry. If it was someones religious right to break laws then all of the terrorists who blew up the Twin Towers were just expressing their religious freedoms. Someone needs to stop this before it escalates even further.