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Fumarase Deficiency afflicts 20, is linked to marriages of close kin

Published: Thursday, Feb. 9 2006 12:00 a.m. MST

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RE: RE: Not LDS?

I grew up in the church and served a mission. I know what I am talking about. Polygamy is the higher (Celestial) law. Why do you think they practiced it to begin with? Was it just a mistake? Its not practiced now because its against the law. Do a little research.

Angels among us

From an LDS perspective, I have often heard and de believe that "special" children are angels sent here to protect us. They are fast-tracked to the celestial kingdom, if you will. Don't be surprised if these angels in the FLDS community may end up bringing salvation to their members.

ill

Ask any woman if she would like to have more than one husband -No way she'll say. This is bad news and should have been dealt with years ago. Perhaps by listening to a higher voice they decided to move to Texas and then the legal authorities down there got the word from God to go in and bust up this bunch disgusting adult men.

My great grandfather had 4 wives and my husband's grandfather had 2 wives, but we both think in today's world it is nuts. We both stopped going to church years and years ago but not because of Polygamy, we just decided long before we know each other that wasn't of interest to us.

Jeff

I wonder why so many comments are coming on this article two years after the publication of this article. Was it a slow news day for the Deseret News to republish, or repost, this article 26 months after the original publication date.

Very restricted gene pool.

My first husband died of a genetic recessive disease, we had one child, that was all we got, but wanted more. With this disease 1 in 40,000 are carriers of it, I would have had to also be a carrier, so the chances were half for her to get the disease 1 in 20,000. I do not know what the chances are for this disease in this small community, of where there are some of the 6,000-10,000 still living. But if there are 20 known cases and both parents had to be carriers, I think that makes it about a chance of 1 in 200 or 250, pretty low numbers for such a debilitating disease. The disease my husband had ended his life at the age of 37. I also dealt with a couple of the families with these children, one being about 16, that was 7 years ago, all the medical equipment they received was covered by medicaid. I have not heard if any of the children in Texas had this disease, I have been wondering if they only took the "elite" to Texas.

Re: Jeff

Very simple:

Most comments are made on articles people are currently reading. Someone remembered the article from two years ago, looked it up, posted a comment about it, and, more people starting reading the article. Soon the article started appearing in the "Most Popular" articles list and even more people started reading and commenting on it.

The DMN didn't have to republish or repost the article.

Thank you DMN for providing an archive a past articles!

Anonymous

Ugh!!! What more can the LDS church and it's members say about not practicing polygamy before people actually believe that they really don't practice it, and that we are not connected to the FLDS and what used to be the RLDS. There are many religions that have off-shoots from the original one and they practice different things as well, they choose to practice what they want and disregard what they don't want. Get Over It!!

FLDS vs. LDS

FLDS is an offshoot of the LDS church with the divisive point being the practice of polygamy. There are obviously some connections today (temples, scriptures, history, etc...) but the same could be said for many religious groups. Jews and Christians have a similar history, scriptures, etc...with the big dividing point being Jesus Christ. Muslims also beleive in Adam, Abraham, etc...from the Old Testament but Islam of today is quite different from Judaism. If you take a step back, all major world religions are connected at the roots and each branched off at some point from the other. However, this happened thousands of years ago and FLDS and LDS divide has only been within the past 100 years. My point is that blaming the LDS church for what goes on in FLDS santuaries is shortsided and is similar to blaming catholics for all protestestants (lutherans, methodists, baptists, etc...).

RP

Deseret News:
I suggest treating verbage regarding people with disabilities with a little more care. Please keep in mind you are talking about real people. "Intellectual Disability" is much better than "retarded." Also, instead of saying "Fumarase child," it is more respectful to refer to the person first. "Child with Fumarase syndrome" for example. This allows people to better understand that the child is first and foremost a person, and they happen to have a disability.

RE: RE: RE: Not LDS?

Well, dude, you are the one who is wrong, and has apparently come up with some very inacturate "sources" for your "research." It is not the "higher law." In fact, we just recently had that Sunday School lesson... I think you maybe should go back and read those scriptures and the Gospel Doctrine handbook. It is clearly stated by the Lord himself that it is "abominable" in His sight and is only to be used in extremely unusual circumstances, at His request. So how is it the "higher law" if it's "abominable" in His sight???? You are wrong dude!

Rich

To Simple Genetics: The incidence of some genetic birth defects among Jews due to interbreeding are 20 to 200 times the rate among non-Jews. Some simple math on this particular Fumarase Deficiency is demonstrative. If only 13 cases of this disease were known in the world until 1988, that would indicate an extremely low incidence among the general populace. Even assuming that none of the cases before 20 years ago was among the polygamists and assuming that scientists knew of only 10% of the victims of this disorder, that would place the incidence of the disease at no more than 1 per 37 million people. Let's now assume there are 100,000 polygamists rather than the much lower estimates commonly given today and that the 20 cases of Fumarese Deficiency represent 100% of the cases present among the polygamists, that would mean the incidence is about 1 in 5,000. That means at the very least that a polygamist's child is more than 7,000 times as likely to get this one particular genetic disease. It stands to reason that interbreeding polygamists would have a far higher incidence of other genetic disorders as well.

Mormon finger pointers

Why does everyone in the LDS church point fingers when you do something wrong at another religions constantly; WELL THE JEWS DID THIS, THE BAPTIST DO THAT! THE J-DUBS DO IT THIS WAY. THE CATHOLICS HAVE DONE WORSE! The Mormons are constantly pointing their fingers at other religions who do something comparisons to themselves that was wrong. You guys need to take a deep look into the nearest mirror. You and your judgmental, arrogant, backbiting behavior is going to put you all in hell soon or later. Is this part of your birth defect or what? You guys all believe in polygamy. So go point the finger for once and for all in your own faces!

Re: Brother Murphy | 5:21 p.m

"People living by a Celestial law . . . raising Celestial children"

Maybe they should practice this law in the "Celestial Kingdom". Not here on Earth.

Apparently you have two copies of that same recessive gene too!

Hagar's Legacy

Remember Abraham? As I recall the story, when Sarah failed to conceive a child she gave her maidservant Hagar to Abraham for that purpose. Thus Ishmael arrived on the scene. Then, surprise, Sarah was able to deliver Isaac. A squabble ensued and Ishmael was ousted. If you will turn on the evening news, I'm sure that there will be at least one story confirming that the fight is still going on 5000 years later. Isn't that proof enough that polygamy just doesn't work?

Get a real life

You all speak gibberish! You polygamist are very sick people. You need mental help!

snickerdoodle

well what a suprise.

WOW

This has nothing to do with polygamy its got everything to do with pedophilia and the abuse of women and children. PERIOD>

Ken Goddard

Give the News credit for reporting on this dirty little secret. I had heard or read about this problem but did not realize how extensive it was.

Matt Connelly

I'm troubled by the disrespectful comments toward polygamists I see on this website. God teaches us to love all people. For those of us who are LDS, we should have an extra degree of compassion for these good people. After all, they come from us. They come from the same heritage we do. Like it or not plural marriage used to be a tenet of the mainstream LDS Church. Thus we should have an extra degree of empathy for these people who continue the practice.

Of course I do not condone illegal abuse under any circumstance, but I'd guess that the vast majority of polygamists live honorable lives. So let us embrace these people, show them compassion, and treat them as children of God who for whatever reason believe differently than we do.

Gordon

I am always amazed at how much emotion and how little rational thought appears in many of these commentaries. A few observations:

I took an anthropology class from a professor who was an atheist, and in particular hated Mormons. Nevertheless, he was honest enough in cultural anthropological discussions to point out that throughout history over 80% of ALL cultures were polygamist --as the result of caring for women who survived warfare, as a product of wealth or status, disproportionate female numbers, etc.

What about such people as the Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Polynesians, Africans, American Indians, pre-Roman Europeans? All were polygamists. Monogamy and celibacy were pagan Roman practices that were imposed on the world via the Roman Catholic church.

All those railing against polygamy, if they traced their roots back far enough, would find that their ancestors came from polygamist cultures.

The issue here is not polygamy, but inter-marriage and in this case, the polygamy simply resulted in the real problem, a lack of genetic diversity through intermarriage.

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