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It is an issue to parents such as this because the consuming of alcoholic beverages is clearly against the values/teachings that we Mormons espouse. Appearing in a beer ad carries with it an implied endorsement of the product - whether or not he actually endorses it in real life.
If we, as parents trying to instil our LDS beliefs in our children, find that a role model has endorsed some behavior that we know we cannot accept - it results in a betrayal of our trust, and is a cowardly compromise of our values. It is worthy of our criticism.
As for Kirby, He needs to rewatch "The RM" and repent! Come back to Happy Valley Brother Heyborne.
I for one support him. I will continue to see him when he comes to my town and I will always admire the man he is!
I trust that he and other Mormon actors will make the best decisions possible. I agree it is not right if you have enough money and but choose to act in an inappropriate part in the movies or commercials.
As for the person talking about Christ turning water into wine from 3:28 pm 6/9--you need to research your theology. The scriptures refer to "pure wine of the grape" which was unfermented wine--that's what Christ used in that instance. There was of course the fermented type used in his day but He did not use that.
I didn't see the ad, but was it funny? Beer commercials are some of the funniest out there (like the guy-with-the-ax one a few years ago). For Kirby, it would make sense if it was a funny ad.
Re: Re:to rich; Christ may not have taught it was wrong to drink fermented wine in biblical times, but Jehovah definately said no to bacon...have you tried any pork recently? Temporal laws change buddy, get used to it....or rest on the Saturday and perform animal sacrifice. Your choice.
Puleees! there are family and ward members that could help you out. Please don't defend this issue. Stand up and sacrifice for the truth and virtue of the church not for your own selfishness!
Someone once did a study of the literature of self-improvement and motivation from the past and found that years back, the stories we read and listened to featuring heroes to inspire us and our children were actually about people who had accomplished something for the genuine good of man, usually at some sacrifice to themselves. But about mid-20th century, that focus began to change to entertainment figures and people who had made lots of money, but not necessarily used it for good.
I NEVER encouraged my children to look to people from the entertainment world, the world of sports, and so on, for their role models. Many of them seem self-involved, greedy and lacking integrity as I understand it.
As someone who was involved in LDS theatre many years ago and who wrote a couple of LDS novels (that probably were more popular with non-LDS people), I'd love to see our people and our values shine in the world. I've been disappointed in the quality of much of our work--we can do better. And should.
In what way can "being disappointed in someone" and condemning them in a public forum be construed as a "righteous judgement"? You are using scripture as a means of justifying your own judgemental behavior. The implication is that you are the "good mormon" and your behavior is superior to his. Don't judge a man unless you've walked a mile in his shoes. Any scripture can be taken out of context. It just depends what you want to see or hear.
People who are old/disabled/poor are targets of "service projects", while those who have honest struggles in living the mormon values are viewed as great examples of "why sinners aren't happy and should be looked down upon until they come into conformity" to use in sacrament meeting talks.
Remember how Jesus condemned hypocrites and healed sinners? Probably not.
Thanks.
Too much meat, too many drive thru menus, too much soda pop, too many deserts aka refreshments?
How many of you could lose a few pounds on that Temple of yours by getting off your duff and exercising while eating wholesome foods? How many of you stay up past 10:30 when you have no reason to other than to entertain yourself?
How many of you look down upon those drinking beer (kind of like that mild drinks of malt we are encouraged to use as written in the Word of Wisdom), yet risk age related diabetes due to all the ice cream you pound each week?
This is a sad reflection on your modern LDS culture when appearing in a Beer commercial is considered letting our children down, yet your own example as parents is probably much worse in regards to all things word of wisdom.
It seems we are comparing something 2 years old with brand new news...
This is hardly the same thing as Steve Young promoting the NFL on Sunday. The NFL has not caused the death and injury of hundreds of thousands of our youth like alcohol has. It's blood money and Kirby is no longer an actor we will watch.
And, yes, we also think Marriott should get out of the porn business.
As for the "what will our kids think" people, why not use this opportunity to get off your duffs and educate them about how to be in the world but not of it? It's not Kirby's job to raise your kids; his main obligations are to do a good job and support his family. How he does it is between him and the Lord, and it's frankly none of your business.
I don't think LDS movies are the highest cinematic achievement. I enjoy some of the characters Kirby has (will) play. Do I "approve" of all his choices? Probably not, but I also don't approve of all my own choices. Life is a learning experience, let's help each other down the path.
You may be disappointed in someone choices, but you have no right to judge that person. Let it go!
Quit wasting energy judging a person who has probably done a lot of good on and off the screen . How about dwelling on the good things he has done and quit making lds people sound so judgemental and narrow minded.
I agree with your comment unless you consider that the dollar has the words, "In God We Trust" written on it. Do you have a more competetive offer for Kirby?
It is true that I wouldn't do a beer commercial if I were an actor. However, a) I'm not an actor, and b) I'm also not trying to support a family as an actor in the white-hot-competitive environment of Hollywood, so I just can't judge the guy.
That being said, I wouldn't have any problem playing characters that don't hold my personal values, i.e. drinkers, sleeping around, etc. since it's ACTING . . . as long as a) I didn't actually have to literally drink or sleep around (sex scenes) on the screen for the part, and b) The movie/show/play didn't glorify or actively advocate values that are opposite of mine.
Kirby would probably say that's all easy to say . . . until you get to Hollywood. So I guess I'll avoid the place except for seeing some of their movies in the theatres.
"Hey, congratulations, Kirby. He is the funniest person I know personally. I would pay to watch him eat lunch, he is that funny. And a genuinely nice and thoroughly faithful guy. You who don't know his heart, don't presume to judge him."
I agree with Breck's comment 110%! I love this discussion. It's very entertaining. Kirby is surely getting a kick out of it. I can imagine the smile on his face now.
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That being said, I hope all you self-righteous "Provo Mormons" that are harping on Mr. Heyborne for doing a beer commercial have thoroughly inspected all your retirement accounts to ensure that none of YOUR 401K money or mutual fund money is being invested in companies that don't support your Mormon beliefs.
Remember Kirby is trying to provide for his family too. I don't think that he is to the point where the studios are knocking down his door for work and he can pick and choose.