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Published: Monday, Nov. 15 2004 12:00 a.m. MST

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wow how we have changed

To all you members who have been decades in the Church. Have you ever read the Doctrine and Covenants? D&C 1311 IN the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.
If Christ is to obtain the highest degree in the Celestial kingdom he must be married. D&C 132 says that plural marriage is required also until be backed down from that. In general conference, a member of the First Presidency stated that Christ had 3 wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene. His name was Heber C. Kimball. Brigham Young was on the stand and did not correct him because he believed it also. Those who do not believe it are the leaders today, so they do not teach it. But that does not make it untrue. We also do not believe in concentration anymore even though we covenant we will live the law.

Mike Johnson Fallon, NV

Rebranding? The LDS Church has continually corrected misconceptions of our doctrine from the beginning of the Church. Rebranding is not being done to put anybody in the White House, but is the result of constantly being told by non-members with agendas what they think we should believe and do not understand the process by which things become doctrine in the LDS Church.


Yet, when the converts began to file off, some to one party, and some to another, it was seen that the seemingly good feelings of both the priests and the converts were more pretended than real


Mr. Motz has manifested "in word and deed" and "by [his] fruits" that he is not a Christian. Bigotry is never an acceptable approach to sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is one thing to disagree, but the spirit in which one goes about it reveals "the inward things of the heart."

I would encourage you, Mr. Motz, to "search thine own heart, and KNOW IT WELL, for out of it flow th issues of life."

Bob Pomeroy

Out of the abundance ... ? Is this really so important?

AZ Ute

To the Messrs. Motz and "wow how we have changed":

Quit using hearsay. Please provide us your sources, ie. Name, publication, date, page, etc. Additionally, I think you meant "consecration", not "concentration". We are concentrating, you are not. Awaiting your reply.

Iron Axe

To Marshall Mortz: To try and explain to you something precious as the mormon doctrine is like what the scripture says, do not cast your pearls to the swine, it is hard to teach an old dog a new trick and whatever info that you have, we shouldn't waste our breath talking about it.....I just wonder why this talk in the heart of the Mormonism was not blasted on the CNN or Times Magazine or 60 mintues or 20/20...it is because the whole media still want America to believe that we are not christians, I would love for them to invite one of our missionaries to speak in their synagogues, or at the Vatican or where ever I swear they will all feel threatened and laugh the Mormons out of town, but I it won't surprise me.....Mortz, get a life

Star Lite

I have that book the SEER. I don't think this book is published any longer. I read the book and It really through me off just a bit with the LDS religion. It's a good thing the church doesn't live by the teachings of Orson Pratt or I would go inactive. I believe that Mary Magdalene was the only wife of Jesus. I don't think it's right just because some strange LDS person has a notion that Jesus was a polygamist should cause any great emotional disturbance... It just simply NEVER happened! People just need to leave Jesus alone. They know nothing about his person life with his wife Mary M. Guessers out there just need to leave it a lone. Don't try to bring the Savior down to your level. Won't happen! No way!


I hear from numerous Mormons that they dont teach Jesus had three wives. Thats a good and wise decision because substantiating such a claim is hard with the evidence from the Holy Bible. Do Mormons BELIEVE Jesus had three wives? A Mormon cant answer to that question as a big NO. Their silent answer is YES.

3 wives..didn't happen!

The Man Jesus DID NOT HAVE THREE WIVES! It's only a good point of view for those lusty men who want it for themselves. Lets not get on the kick of whats good for man is not also good for the woman. Some men out there just need to get a life and quit putting Jesus in their silly lusty dreams for another woman. If People can make up something that Jesus did than we can make it right for us too. YA RIGHT!

Schmoltz or Motz

Please, no more schmoltz from Moltz please. Clarify your sources...but no more schmo.

PS..Since when in Christian doctrine is marriage a bad thing. Did not the Apostle Paul say something like this, "A man without the woman, or the woman without the man is NOT in the Lord". Many of us continue to believe this to be an enlightened statement coming from Higher sources than Paul.


LDS doctrine continues to morph and change with the trends in modern times. Early members wouldnt recognize the beliefs of today. But that is the same with the Catholic church also.


I'm surprised at why the Mormons are screaming at the poster Motz for the sources. A mormon should find the sources themselves. If a mormon does not know, then the Church is not telling the truth to you. Keeping that search aside, no Mormon who have posted comments to the article has answered my question. Do you believe or you dont believe Jesus was married, or he had three wives? Give me a YES or NO. Don't give me a spin!


What beliefs have changed in the Catholic Church from the beginning? Name one belief please.

Jesus didn't do it!!

This is really depressing. Religion doesn't make much sense to me. All religions are, are man made to what ever feels good to those who want to believe in something. A true human flaw. This is just the reason why I don't put my penguin suit every Sunday and go to church. It really brings me down. I like thinking for myself. I do believe that Jesus once lived. I think people are making his life up generation after generation. I would like him to appear to me and let me know whats really going on in this mixed up world. I don't want to listen to a bunch of NO IT ALLS who really are just guessing and making it convient for themselves. Wheres the evidents?

To "Schmoltz or Motz"

Did not the Apostle Paul say something like this "A man without the woman, or the woman without the man is NOT in the Lord".

Show me the sources please.

Hey Yes or No

I'll make a small clarification so you don't get confused. The church as a whole does not believe Jesus had three wives. There is nothing taught by the church that such doctrine is true. However it is possible a small portion of LDS members might have the three wife opinion. The most common assumption... and I do mean assumption...NOT DOCTRINE.... is that Jesus was married while on this earth. That theory makes sense but has never been directly preached. So to sum it up the answer if you want a majority LDS vote would be NO Jesus did not have three wives.

What Happened?!?

Boy it took until about 7:00 am this morning (after the original comment was posted in December) to get the "antis" commenting. And then there was a big gap until about 10:30 am.

You "antis" almost missed the ship! There might have been a Mormon who read the article without you being around to clarify our beliefs for us and save our souls from the awful thing that is Mormonism. Is it because you were too busy over on the Postum article making fun of our beliefs and practices to come and post things out of your little anti-Mormon books?

I particularly enjoy the "I'm LDS" comments from the "antis." How sad it must be to go through life feeling like you have to tear down and criticize people.

Anti Nonmemebers


You are anti nonmember. So I suppose this makes you better and a judge of all. Whatever anyone one's religion is on here is their own right. I suppose it's still free speech to all people in this country. This sort of stuff is what I really dislike about some LDS members. No one else has aright to his or her beliefs. Gee, you are so righteous and arrogant. You act just the way Jesus would want you too?... arrogant and self righeous!......SORRY! NOT THE WAY OF JESUS!

Jesus did NOT have three wives rather you want believe this is your very own right. But leave me to mine.

Re: YesOrNo

What does Jesus' marital status have to do with the article? And since when did our "voting" on such a thing make it true or not true? But OK, I'll play your game. I'm LDS. It seems logical to me that Jesus would have been married, as it was customary for those who spoke in synagogues to be married, so YES to the first part. Do I believe he was polygamous? I'd have to say NO to that, but I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist over someone else who thinks he might have been. Tell you what, next time you and I see Jesus, we can ask him, that should settle the disagreement, right? :)

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