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Maxist=socialist | 12:49 a.m. June 29, 2009
Obama is both a Marxist and a socialist because they are the same thing only
perhaps in differing degrees. Obama believes he is justified in confiscating
money from one person and redistributing it to someone else= what Marxists and
socialists do! "From each according to their ability and to each according
to their need". There are several problems with that idea however!
#1: It punishes achievement, innovation,investment, hard work and self control and rewards inefficiency, lazyness, and the irresponsible. When those riding in the entitlemen wagon out number those who are trying to pulling the wagon, the whole system collapes,as it always has and always will.America is close to that collape now and no "bailout" will help!
Another problem with Marxism and socialism is that who decides who gets what and who loses the efforts of their work? Socialism and Marxism always produces dictators who enforce the redistribution with tanks and machine guns. The cost of socialism and Marxism is freedom and prosperity! The results are poverty, suffering and death. No thank you Karl Marx, you can keep your socialist "utopia". We saw it in USSR, Cuba, China and everywhere else people bought into your lies!
#1: It punishes achievement, innovation,investment, hard work and self control and rewards inefficiency, lazyness, and the irresponsible. When those riding in the entitlemen wagon out number those who are trying to pulling the wagon, the whole system collapes,as it always has and always will.America is close to that collape now and no "bailout" will help!
Another problem with Marxism and socialism is that who decides who gets what and who loses the efforts of their work? Socialism and Marxism always produces dictators who enforce the redistribution with tanks and machine guns. The cost of socialism and Marxism is freedom and prosperity! The results are poverty, suffering and death. No thank you Karl Marx, you can keep your socialist "utopia". We saw it in USSR, Cuba, China and everywhere else people bought into your lies!
oh | 1:30 a.m. June 29, 2009
I think most people think of a Marxist, as a communist and a socialist as
someone within the capitalist system who wants to give to those who have not
earned a benefit something paid for by those who have worked hard to get
something.
In those terms Obama was trained by Marxist thinking professor and is now taking us deep down the road to socialism., through his spend and spend and spend and spend and spend philosophy. He thinks throwing money at a problem will solve it. I can give a person a fish or teach them to fish and they they can feed themselves in the future. At what point does he not understand the economy?
In those terms Obama was trained by Marxist thinking professor and is now taking us deep down the road to socialism., through his spend and spend and spend and spend and spend philosophy. He thinks throwing money at a problem will solve it. I can give a person a fish or teach them to fish and they they can feed themselves in the future. At what point does he not understand the economy?
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NAZI? | 5:20 a.m. June 29, 2009
Greetings:
I think the administration of Barack Hussein Obama is more akin to the National Socialism of the Third Reich.
The same can be said for previous administrations, whether Republican or Democrat, for they are all equally guilty of betrayal.
Under National Socialism, the government exercises total control over all private industry, finance, and commerce.
Isn't that what we have now, and have had for some time past?
Let's look at some other comparisons to the Third Reich:
Deciding who is worthy to live, and who must die, i.e., abortion and euthanasia.
Laws mandating racial preferences and racial quotas.
Thought control, manipulated and enforced by legislating "hate speech", "hate crimes", "politically correct" speech, and revisionist history.
And, of course, gun control.
What if those six million Jews had been armed?
So, knowing this, what do WE do?
If it's not too late, we might begin by no longer voting for Republican or Democrat candidates.
We should also carefully study the Holy Bible, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States.
Arm yourselves, and pray.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
I think the administration of Barack Hussein Obama is more akin to the National Socialism of the Third Reich.
The same can be said for previous administrations, whether Republican or Democrat, for they are all equally guilty of betrayal.
Under National Socialism, the government exercises total control over all private industry, finance, and commerce.
Isn't that what we have now, and have had for some time past?
Let's look at some other comparisons to the Third Reich:
Deciding who is worthy to live, and who must die, i.e., abortion and euthanasia.
Laws mandating racial preferences and racial quotas.
Thought control, manipulated and enforced by legislating "hate speech", "hate crimes", "politically correct" speech, and revisionist history.
And, of course, gun control.
What if those six million Jews had been armed?
So, knowing this, what do WE do?
If it's not too late, we might begin by no longer voting for Republican or Democrat candidates.
We should also carefully study the Holy Bible, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States.
Arm yourselves, and pray.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
rsp | 5:32 a.m. June 29, 2009
The first poster is correct - it is not a crime to be a Marxist. I think the
millions of people who died around the world at the hands of Communists in
China, Russia, Cambodia and elsewhere might think it should be a crime to be a
follower of the teachings of Karl Marx.
Regardless of what we call Barack Obama it is apparent that the notion of individual responsibility that has been the norm in this Country (at least until FDR came along) doesn't sit well with Barack. I just call him a big-government statist who thinks the Federal Govt should micromanage the economy and control the most important aspects of the economy. He's also an admitted "wealth redistributionist"
Regardless of what we call Barack Obama it is apparent that the notion of individual responsibility that has been the norm in this Country (at least until FDR came along) doesn't sit well with Barack. I just call him a big-government statist who thinks the Federal Govt should micromanage the economy and control the most important aspects of the economy. He's also an admitted "wealth redistributionist"
Capitalism = Freedom? | 6:36 a.m. June 29, 2009
The underlying belief is that somehow capitalism equals freedom of choice, but
the problem is that the natural outcome of free markets and capitalism is that
it brings about consolidation and oligopolies that dominate key industries.
With few massive companies dominating such industries, it naturally brings about
reduced competition, reduced choice for consumers, and reduced pressure to
reduce prices. Think of so many industries that fit this model -- from
automobiles to energy to healthcare to retailing.
The consequence is that consumers don't have the freedom to get the products and services that want -- for example, consumers have been demanding an alternative to oil for decades, but the auto industry refused to deliver. When it did in the mid-1990s (GM's EV1 electric plug in), the industry lobbied to kill regulations requiring it and took it off the market just before oil prices skyrocketed at plug-ins would have reduced our dependence on Iran and other oil dictatorships. Again, OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt consumers.
The bottomline is that government MUST step in to bring about solutions that the free market and capitalism CAN'T deliver due to oligopoly.
The consequence is that consumers don't have the freedom to get the products and services that want -- for example, consumers have been demanding an alternative to oil for decades, but the auto industry refused to deliver. When it did in the mid-1990s (GM's EV1 electric plug in), the industry lobbied to kill regulations requiring it and took it off the market just before oil prices skyrocketed at plug-ins would have reduced our dependence on Iran and other oil dictatorships. Again, OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt consumers.
The bottomline is that government MUST step in to bring about solutions that the free market and capitalism CAN'T deliver due to oligopoly.
michaelh | 6:38 a.m. June 29, 2009
Socialism is the step between freedom and communism. Corporatism is the step
between freedom and fascism. Obama is a corporatist. He was raised by communists
and fed nothing but Communism. His books reek of his love of communism read
them. Obama is a corporatist which puts us on the road to fascism. Fascism is
just the right fork of totalitarianism that is communism and fascism.
Just because one former East German thinks that he is not a communist does not make it so the Chinese government knows that he is a communist and so do thinking Americans.
Just because one former East German thinks that he is not a communist does not make it so the Chinese government knows that he is a communist and so do thinking Americans.
language | 6:49 a.m. June 29, 2009
Whomever controls the language - controls the world.
The far-right has made large enrodes by denigrating the words "liberal" and "socialism" for the last 30 years, but America is wise to them today as we all witnessed in the elections of 2006 and 2008.
The far-right has made large enrodes by denigrating the words "liberal" and "socialism" for the last 30 years, but America is wise to them today as we all witnessed in the elections of 2006 and 2008.
Anonymous | 6:51 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "Maxist=socialist", if they are the same, throw in United Order as
well. My, the nut cases are out early today....
@language 6:51 a.m. | 7:25 a.m. June 29, 2009
You're right. The far-right has also hijacked and corrupted the word
"conservative" to mean the views held by radical far-right
authoritarian extremists. True conservatives are now considered to be
moderates. Sad.
To michaelh | 7:42 a.m. June 29, 2009
"Obama is a corporatist. He was raised by communists and fed nothing but
Communism."
That's easily the silliest thing I've read in the paper today.
Are you saying that Harvard Law School teaches its students "nothing but Communism?"
That's easily the silliest thing I've read in the paper today.
Are you saying that Harvard Law School teaches its students "nothing but Communism?"
Re: Marxist=socialist | 7:53 a.m. June 29, 2009
"Obama believes he is justified in confiscating money from one person and
redistributing it to someone else= what Marxists and socialists do!"
What do you think taxes in any form are? Taxes take money from people and use it for other purposes. So if that's what makes Obama a marxist and socialist, then all of our presidents have been socialists and we've been a socialist country for a long, long time.
What do you think taxes in any form are? Taxes take money from people and use it for other purposes. So if that's what makes Obama a marxist and socialist, then all of our presidents have been socialists and we've been a socialist country for a long, long time.
Lew Jeppson | 8:06 a.m. June 29, 2009
Part of the problem is that few know who Marx was. Marx was a philosophy PhD of
the continent who was an expat in Britain for most of his life. He believed he
solved the riddle of capitalist accumulation with his theory of surplus value
which was largely based on Ricardo's labor theory of value. He attempted
to answer the question - in a system which mostly sees the exchange of
equilavents, from whence come profits? His answer? Surplus value. To Marx
human labor is everything. Labor is that unique commodity which can create more
value than is necessary to sustain it. This excess is surplus value which is
the source of profits and capital. He anticpated the efficiency of
capitalism.
Marx was in fact a western economist, the last of the classical economists. To understand Marx one must live in a capitalist system. The Chinese Communists and the Soviet economists understood Marx not at all.
Marx had nothing directly to do with either the 1917 revolution in Russia or the rise of Mao in China.
Marx is still worth study because he deals upfront with the relationship of labor with capital.
Marx was in fact a western economist, the last of the classical economists. To understand Marx one must live in a capitalist system. The Chinese Communists and the Soviet economists understood Marx not at all.
Marx had nothing directly to do with either the 1917 revolution in Russia or the rise of Mao in China.
Marx is still worth study because he deals upfront with the relationship of labor with capital.
RedShirt | 8:20 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "Capitalism = Freedom? | 6:36 a.m." yes, capitalism does equal
freedom. If the government decides that it will produce all automobiles in the
US. Do you have a choice? How about if the government takes over health
insurance and taxes you for your insurance preminums, do you have a choice to be
covered by health insurance any more? If the government takes over all banking
institutions and mandates interest rates and minimum qualifications for loans,
is there any choice left to make?
What you are forgetting is that freedom requires that you have choices. Freedom is lost once you eliminate choices.
If, as you say, "OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt consumers." What will happen when we have a government mandated/supported/owned monopoly?
What you are forgetting is that freedom requires that you have choices. Freedom is lost once you eliminate choices.
If, as you say, "OLIGOPOLY reduced our freedom and hurt consumers." What will happen when we have a government mandated/supported/owned monopoly?
Crusader | 8:33 a.m. June 29, 2009
Tell me again why the Danes rate as the happiest people in the world?
Nothing wrong with Marxism | 8:48 a.m. June 29, 2009
There's nothing wrong with Marxism. It's just another economic
theory. It would work too, if implemented perfectly and if the people in that
society were perfect, selfless and only cared about the common good and not
their own familie's welfare.
Problem is... there hasn't been a population yet in the world that can live it perfectly. Somebody (usually in the government) always thinks their family deserves more than another family and they accquire it and then other people covet what he has and want it for their family, so unrest and displeasure starts and the black market grows until the mafia controls the goods and services people want and what the government dols out to the people is considered shody and second-class and the system breaks down. People get tired of working harder in the hopes of improving their familie's condition, just to realise that their family only benefits from that extra work if they can find a dishonest way to hide that income from the government.
Check his background Obama_fans! He was raised by guys who embraced the marxist theory (his college advisors). Read Obama's writings. Check his mentor's background.
Problem is... there hasn't been a population yet in the world that can live it perfectly. Somebody (usually in the government) always thinks their family deserves more than another family and they accquire it and then other people covet what he has and want it for their family, so unrest and displeasure starts and the black market grows until the mafia controls the goods and services people want and what the government dols out to the people is considered shody and second-class and the system breaks down. People get tired of working harder in the hopes of improving their familie's condition, just to realise that their family only benefits from that extra work if they can find a dishonest way to hide that income from the government.
Check his background Obama_fans! He was raised by guys who embraced the marxist theory (his college advisors). Read Obama's writings. Check his mentor's background.
to: Anonymous | 6:51 a.m. | 9:04 a.m. June 29, 2009
here we go again. don't you dems just love throwing that argument here in
utah? the united order is a perfect society in which one chooses to live in and
is governed by god. if there was such a thing as perfect human beings then maybe
we can talk mrxist, but we don't. obama is far from perfect, and despite
you defense of your "savior" president, the majorty of america does
not support marxism, even the majority of those who voted for obama. i agree
completly with Nothing wrong with Marxism | 8:48 a.m. June 29, 2009 above.
obama is a marxist and the only reason he won the election was because the
economy was bad and he talked the sweet talk. if he had said he was a marxist,
he wouldn't have come anywhere near the white house.
Anonymous | 9:11 a.m. June 29, 2009
Mr.Mallernee, do you pay for your stay at the Armed Forces retirement home or
does our National Socialist government?
KJB | 9:17 a.m. June 29, 2009
Thanks for writing, Erik, but your rationality and common sense are lost on a
crowd like this one. The typical DN reader is the perfect example of Stephen
Colbert's "truthiness."
RedShirt | 9:27 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "Nothing wrong with Marxism | 8:48 a.m." assuming you believe in
the Bible, there is one instance where a population was able to willingly share
everything. If you look up the story of the City of Enoch, they were able to
share the wealth and eliminate poverty. THe trick was that they were led by a
prophet, not elected officials. They were led by God, through a prophet.
Anonymous | 9:33 a.m. June 29, 2009
You don't have to pass an intelligence test to be a Fox News watcher or to
listen to talk radio. These people love to name call. The nastier sounding the
name, the better.
Obama made his wealth in the free market selling books.
One day he's a socialist. Then a Marxist and even a fascist. Like Palin, this speaks volumes about conservatives and they aren't educated enough to see the message they are transmitting.
In, eight grade, I was taught the socialism is government control of business. Fascism is business controlling government.
The Nazi's used slave labor as workers in Mercedes plants. Marx made people the workers for the state.
The American government nationalized industry during the war. Did it remain nationalized? No. Why? Because capitalism is in American's DNA.
It's conservatives who don't have faith in the American people. What is a nation? It's people.
Obama made his wealth in the free market selling books.
One day he's a socialist. Then a Marxist and even a fascist. Like Palin, this speaks volumes about conservatives and they aren't educated enough to see the message they are transmitting.
In, eight grade, I was taught the socialism is government control of business. Fascism is business controlling government.
The Nazi's used slave labor as workers in Mercedes plants. Marx made people the workers for the state.
The American government nationalized industry during the war. Did it remain nationalized? No. Why? Because capitalism is in American's DNA.
It's conservatives who don't have faith in the American people. What is a nation? It's people.
CougarKeith | 9:41 a.m. June 29, 2009
Karl Marx wasn't a "Criminal" for his ideals of
"Government"? Obama is NOT A COMMUNIST, He IS HOWEVER A SOCIALIST! He
wants to "Transfer Wealth" from the rich to "Spread The
Wealth" among everyone, A SOCIALIST IDEAL! He wants to have the Government
Run Health Care: Universal Coverage furnished by GOVERNMENT IS SOCIALIZED
MEDICINE! General Motors is run by the Government on it's board of
directors, taking away PRIVATE INDUSTRY and putting it in the hands of
Government: That is SOCIALIZING BUSINESS IN AMERICA! AIG and other banks being
forced to follow ORDERS and Have Government Own Stock and Have Say In Policy is
Taking Partial Control of Banks, and Partial Control of ALL BANKS is CONTROL OF
BANKS or SOCIALIZING THE BANKING SYSTEM! I am sorry but OBAMA IS A MARXIST! He
won't admit it because it's a "Swear Word" in American
Mainstream, but everything he is trying to do is "MARXIST" and has
"Marxist" Ideals! Barack Obama is in no unwavering terms a
"MARXIST"! That is not calling him a criminal, it is just labeling his
politics and his agenda. It's fair and balanced opinion based on his
actions! He's Marxist!
CougarKeith | 9:52 a.m. June 29, 2009
I like what RSP said, Individual responsibility was the deal in this country
until FDR came along. YOU, YOUR FAMILY and your Friends helped each other and
the needy! Someone like me who was on disability helped out in ways they could!
They farmed some, they babysat, cooked, cleaned, took care of the kids, worked
at home the best they could, did what they could and it worked out. People
looked out for one another! Now, "Get Disability, Then you can
manage". Family goes on their merry way! It's called Spoiled selfish
and irresponsible! Leave it to the government! I'd rather have lived in the
30's times before Social Security with the medical advancements we have
now! I would be in better shape than I am now! My family would be closer
(Extended), and life would be better for them! Probably better for me too! This
has made me think, FDR was a good president, but frankly, he started this whole
Socialist Thing! It has made a good thing in the beginning grow to a horrible
monster which is now destroying our country! I love this nation, but at the same
time I weep for her!
Captain Kirk | 9:53 a.m. June 29, 2009
@ Capitalism = Freedom? | 6:36 a.m. June 29, 2009
Capitalism is a natural result of freedom.
The truth is more that large corporations use government to block competition.
Your example of the auto industry is flawed.
The technology is not yet viable for large scale use. That is why Electric/Hydrogen cars have failed. Everyone wants to see some conspiracy ... but the truth is that the cars cost too much and don't drive far enough for most consumers to want them yet.
Even the Hybrid value proposition is iffy.
I think we will eventually get there. But it is not quite ready.
Also if we suddenly all switched to electric vehicles tomorrow ... we would have shortages of electricity. The energy has to be created somewhere and infrastructure needs to be created.
Capitalism is a natural result of freedom.
The truth is more that large corporations use government to block competition.
Your example of the auto industry is flawed.
The technology is not yet viable for large scale use. That is why Electric/Hydrogen cars have failed. Everyone wants to see some conspiracy ... but the truth is that the cars cost too much and don't drive far enough for most consumers to want them yet.
Even the Hybrid value proposition is iffy.
I think we will eventually get there. But it is not quite ready.
Also if we suddenly all switched to electric vehicles tomorrow ... we would have shortages of electricity. The energy has to be created somewhere and infrastructure needs to be created.
RedShirt | 9:55 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "Anonymous | 9:33 a.m." conservatives have full faith in the
American people to do the right thing. However, conservatives have little faith
in the government to get things fixed correctly or without creating even more
problems.
You might hat obama | 9:58 a.m. June 29, 2009
But at least know what your talking about. Obama isn't a Marxist. Read the
his books about economics. What obama is doing is nothing like marxism or
socialism. You might not like him. But if you know what you talking about people
might actually listen to what you are saying. But saying he is a socialist or a
communist when less that 1% of our industry is under government control is
silly.
Oh Please | 10:10 a.m. June 29, 2009
Most of the Obama haters on this thread are Marxists. Groucho Marxists.
donald | 10:20 a.m. June 29, 2009
looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck... it may just be a
duck
conservatives go too far. | 10:25 a.m. June 29, 2009
"...conservatives have little faith in the government" says neocon
RedShirt.
Can't say I blame him.
That last 8 years of neocon governing and going too far has almost ruined this fine country.
Can't say I blame him.
That last 8 years of neocon governing and going too far has almost ruined this fine country.
Obama Hater | 10:43 a.m. June 29, 2009
Marxist? Probably!!
Jobs in america? over 50% are Govt Jobs with some 40% Private...
Under Reagan....Under 38% were Govt Jobs with over 60% Private...
Communism is coming...unless we vote out the communist!
Jobs in america? over 50% are Govt Jobs with some 40% Private...
Under Reagan....Under 38% were Govt Jobs with over 60% Private...
Communism is coming...unless we vote out the communist!
Re: "ANONYMOUS 9:11 AM" | 10:48 a.m. June 29, 2009
Sir:
No, the Armed Forces Retirement Home, which houses military retirees and disabled war veterans, is NOT funded by tax payers.
I urge you to do an Internet search for "ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME", or for, "UNITED STATES SOLDIERS' AND AIRMEN'S HOME" (its previous name).
The Soldiers' Home was founded by a Congressional trust fund, using ransom money Mexico City paid to General Winfield Scott during the Mexican War to keep from sacking and looting the conquered city, a common practice at that time.
Since then, a small deduction has been taken from each soldier's monthly pay to support the Home, plus all fines and forfeitures resulting from courts-martial or non-judicial punishment also goes to support the Home.
The Naval Home was taxpayer supported, but when they were combined with the Soldiers' Home, that ended, and sailors and marines now contribute from their monthly pay, also.
Medical care is provided by Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
We have our own national cemetery, administered by Arlington National Cemetery.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
No, the Armed Forces Retirement Home, which houses military retirees and disabled war veterans, is NOT funded by tax payers.
I urge you to do an Internet search for "ARMED FORCES RETIREMENT HOME", or for, "UNITED STATES SOLDIERS' AND AIRMEN'S HOME" (its previous name).
The Soldiers' Home was founded by a Congressional trust fund, using ransom money Mexico City paid to General Winfield Scott during the Mexican War to keep from sacking and looting the conquered city, a common practice at that time.
Since then, a small deduction has been taken from each soldier's monthly pay to support the Home, plus all fines and forfeitures resulting from courts-martial or non-judicial punishment also goes to support the Home.
The Naval Home was taxpayer supported, but when they were combined with the Soldiers' Home, that ended, and sailors and marines now contribute from their monthly pay, also.
Medical care is provided by Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
We have our own national cemetery, administered by Arlington National Cemetery.
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Washington, D.C. 20011-8400
Mike | 10:51 a.m. June 29, 2009
I agree, he's not a Marxist. But he is a Facist/Socialist.
Anonymous | 10:52 a.m. June 29, 2009
Obama forced NO auto manufacturer to take government loans ("bailout
money"). None. He forced NO company CEOs to resign. Not a single one. Obama
never forced anyone at any time to take government bailout money. Those
companies that CHOSE to take that money did so of their own accord. Obama
doesn't have the power or authority to do the things you radical
conservative idiots accuse him of doing!
Until you Glenn-Beck roadies get a clue and educate yourselves, you will continue to blabber nonsense and lies to each other while the world moves on without you. Move to your own private Idaho and let the rest of us actually do something of value!
Until you Glenn-Beck roadies get a clue and educate yourselves, you will continue to blabber nonsense and lies to each other while the world moves on without you. Move to your own private Idaho and let the rest of us actually do something of value!
Ben Grimm | 10:55 a.m. June 29, 2009
re: Oh Please | 10:10 a.m. June 29, 2009
As a Marxist of the Groucho persuasion and Libertarian, you take that back.
As a Marxist of the Groucho persuasion and Libertarian, you take that back.
RE: John Robert Mallernee | 10:58 a.m. June 29, 2009
REally? you bring it down to the Nazi factor with pathetic evidence. Give me a
break. Maybe get out of the retirement home once in a while and see whats
really going on.
To 9:04 am | 10:59 a.m. June 29, 2009
You said, "the only reason he won the election was because the economy was
bad and he talked the sweet talk."
No the reason President Obama won is because the last administration nearly drove our economy and democracy into the ground.
People finally woke up.
No the reason President Obama won is because the last administration nearly drove our economy and democracy into the ground.
People finally woke up.
@Everyone calling obama | 11:02 a.m. June 29, 2009
a communist or socialist. Do you know what these words mean? Do you actually
know what a communist is? Have you ever studied Karl Marx? Or are you throwing
out a buzz word because Sean Hannity told you too?
RedShirt | 11:12 a.m. June 29, 2009
To "conservatives go too far. | 10:25 a.m. " it is mroe than just the
last 8 years of government that are to blame. Conservatives haven't
trusted government to do the right thing since before 1776. It was because of
the power of the Brittish empire that we had the Articles of Confederation until
June 21, 1788 when the Constitution was established. The US was looking for the
minimal amount of government required to maintain order.
FYI, it was because of the Brittish government that the Declaration of Independance was written and we went to war.
FYI, it was because of the Brittish government that the Declaration of Independance was written and we went to war.
@ "RedShirt | 9:27 a.m." | 11:29 a.m. June 29, 2009
RedShirt | 9:27 a.m.
You got my point exactly.
I don't think we are a city-of-Enoch type society. And we are NOT being lead by the savior nor even a prophet who is lead by someone who is perfect.
Some may disagree, but Obama is NOT the savior nor is he perfected. If we tried Communism or it's little sister "Socialism" at this point in America... It would fail miserably. We want control of our own lives. People don't trust the government enough (yet) to turn over control of their lives to them (I hope).
You got my point exactly.
I don't think we are a city-of-Enoch type society. And we are NOT being lead by the savior nor even a prophet who is lead by someone who is perfect.
Some may disagree, but Obama is NOT the savior nor is he perfected. If we tried Communism or it's little sister "Socialism" at this point in America... It would fail miserably. We want control of our own lives. People don't trust the government enough (yet) to turn over control of their lives to them (I hope).
conservatives are treasonous | 11:36 a.m. June 29, 2009
Conservatives and their movement want the president of the United States of
America to fail. It's all they talk about and are trying everything thing
they can in their daily propaganda to do so.
They make no bones about it and preach their revolution to each other every day.
This is clearly treason and treason is against the Constitution.
They make no bones about it and preach their revolution to each other every day.
This is clearly treason and treason is against the Constitution.
Writer doesn't know | 11:50 a.m. June 29, 2009
The writer apparently doesn't know the meaning of the words either.
These comments board are worthless because they are dominated by paid liberal hacks.
These comments board are worthless because they are dominated by paid liberal hacks.
Cosmo | 12:03 p.m. June 29, 2009
Re:conservatives/treasonous; Spoken like a true Marxist/Fascist!
Anonymous | 12:08 p.m. June 29, 2009
People are liberal by nature.
Hatred is a learned response fostered by the no-change conservatives in power.
Hatred is a learned response fostered by the no-change conservatives in power.
Anonymous | 12:21 p.m. June 29, 2009
I'm a liberal, but if 11:50 a.m. commentor is right - WHERE IS MY MONEY?!
Bleeding Heart Liberal | 12:44 p.m. June 29, 2009
If Obama is a socialist because he believes in fiscal policies that redistribute
wealth, then so were Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Dwight
Eisenhower, and a whole host of other conservative politician that said nothing
about the graduated income tax. That tax is the principal method for
"redistributing" wealth (along with the the estate tax (death tax for
you right wing idealogs).
If you truly hate "socialism" then I suggest you start a movement to privatize all existing "socialist" elements in the country. These include, Police and Fire departments, Public Schools, Public lands including national parks, the US Military establisment, Public tax supported libraries, all public hospitals, including those who treat the military and military veterans.
Do we have "creaping" socialism in this country" Get a clue right wingers, we are already a nasty, nasty, socialist country. And, I for one wish we were just a little more nasty so that 46 million people could have access to basic medical care, including innocent small children who can't help that they were born to parents with limited financial means. Bleeding heart liberal? Yes and darn proud of it!
If you truly hate "socialism" then I suggest you start a movement to privatize all existing "socialist" elements in the country. These include, Police and Fire departments, Public Schools, Public lands including national parks, the US Military establisment, Public tax supported libraries, all public hospitals, including those who treat the military and military veterans.
Do we have "creaping" socialism in this country" Get a clue right wingers, we are already a nasty, nasty, socialist country. And, I for one wish we were just a little more nasty so that 46 million people could have access to basic medical care, including innocent small children who can't help that they were born to parents with limited financial means. Bleeding heart liberal? Yes and darn proud of it!
@ "Bleeding Heart Liberal | 12:4 | 12:55 p.m. June 29, 2009
"Bleeding Heart Liberal | 12:44 p.m."
A graduated income tax is not necessarily redistribution of wealth. Taxes are a necessary evil. Having minimal taxes to fund public/government services and obligations... is a necessary thing. But when you go on the campaign trail and state clearly that your goal is to take the money the rich, who don't really need (or deserve it) and "Spread it around to the little people"... THEN you're talking "Redistribution of wealth".
There's a difference. It's in the intent.
A graduated income tax is not necessarily redistribution of wealth. Taxes are a necessary evil. Having minimal taxes to fund public/government services and obligations... is a necessary thing. But when you go on the campaign trail and state clearly that your goal is to take the money the rich, who don't really need (or deserve it) and "Spread it around to the little people"... THEN you're talking "Redistribution of wealth".
There's a difference. It's in the intent.
Anonymous | 12:57 p.m. June 29, 2009
We tried contracted our military in Iraq. We have contractors who can't
account for billions to show for it.
The largest redistribution of wealth in American history started with Reagan. Money was redistributed from the middle class to the wealthy. In Amer 70% of the wealthy got their money not from work or being inventive, they got a parental welfare check.
The largest redistribution of wealth in American history started with Reagan. Money was redistributed from the middle class to the wealthy. In Amer 70% of the wealthy got their money not from work or being inventive, they got a parental welfare check.
Tax the poor to benefit wealthy | 1:15 p.m. June 29, 2009
Re: @ "Bleeding Heart Liberal
"Having minimal taxes to fund public/government services and obligations... is a necessary thing."
In other words. Having taxes for those things that you want and which will benefit you is a necessary thing but if taxes are used for anything that does not benefit you then it isn't a good thing.
"But when you go on the campaign trail and state clearly that your goal is to take the money the rich, who don't really need (or deserve it) and "Spread it around to the little people"... THEN you're talking "Redistribution of wealth"."
You mean like paying for a road to a business that I never go to so that they can make money and your fat and ugly family can shop there?
"There's a difference. It's in the intent."
Your intent is to take my money and use it for the benefit of your family but object when any of your money is used for anything else.
The difference seems to be: "everything I want I get but if I don't want it then you can't have it. You will pay for me to make a profit
"Having minimal taxes to fund public/government services and obligations... is a necessary thing."
In other words. Having taxes for those things that you want and which will benefit you is a necessary thing but if taxes are used for anything that does not benefit you then it isn't a good thing.
"But when you go on the campaign trail and state clearly that your goal is to take the money the rich, who don't really need (or deserve it) and "Spread it around to the little people"... THEN you're talking "Redistribution of wealth"."
You mean like paying for a road to a business that I never go to so that they can make money and your fat and ugly family can shop there?
"There's a difference. It's in the intent."
Your intent is to take my money and use it for the benefit of your family but object when any of your money is used for anything else.
The difference seems to be: "everything I want I get but if I don't want it then you can't have it. You will pay for me to make a profit
Obamites | 1:21 p.m. June 29, 2009
Under free mkt economy the rich get richer and the poor get less poor......
Under Obama...the govt just gets more of the money while rich get poorer and poor go hungry.
Unemployment at 9%+ and rising to 10...
Nice JOB libs...try blaming that on Bush in 2012!
Obama new slogan "following in the footsteps of jimmy cart
Under Obama...the govt just gets more of the money while rich get poorer and poor go hungry.
Unemployment at 9%+ and rising to 10...
Nice JOB libs...try blaming that on Bush in 2012!
Obama new slogan "following in the footsteps of jimmy cart
RedShirt | 1:26 p.m. June 29, 2009
To "conservatives are treasonous | 11:36 a.m." let me remind you of
what liberals were saying in Aug 2006. Fox News did a poll where they asked
"Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say
you want President Bush to succeed or not?"
51% of those that identified themselves are Democrats said they wanted Bush to fail. So, if saying you want the President to fail is treason, you better round up 51% of the Democrat party.
51% of those that identified themselves are Democrats said they wanted Bush to fail. So, if saying you want the President to fail is treason, you better round up 51% of the Democrat party.
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I was born and raised in a socialist country, East Germany and actually laughed to read those terms used to describe the current US president.
By the way, being either a Marxist or a socialist is not a crime. Neither is being a capitalist.