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Jehovah's Witnesses to meet in Ogden
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Their beliefs, my experience | 8:05 a.m. June 27, 2009
I often invite them in, I enjoy talking to them, but I don't understand how
anyone can give up every Saturday of their life to go out proseliting, which
they tell me is a life long committment.
Not only do they believe we are living during Jesus 1000 year reign, when I ask them about the evidence for this they are at a loss, I do know the bible says the 1000 years will be years of peace not war.
Besides that, they predicted in the 1800's that Jesus would be coming back then, they sold all their belongings and waited, but he didn't come.
My guess is that the second time they predicted this in 1914, when Jesus didn't make his second coming at that time, they came out with a prouncement that he did any way, because of the great imbarasment of being wrong twice.
Religion being what it is, people were willing to believe anyway, even with lack of evidence.
Not only do they believe we are living during Jesus 1000 year reign, when I ask them about the evidence for this they are at a loss, I do know the bible says the 1000 years will be years of peace not war.
Besides that, they predicted in the 1800's that Jesus would be coming back then, they sold all their belongings and waited, but he didn't come.
My guess is that the second time they predicted this in 1914, when Jesus didn't make his second coming at that time, they came out with a prouncement that he did any way, because of the great imbarasment of being wrong twice.
Religion being what it is, people were willing to believe anyway, even with lack of evidence.
Too much insurance to pay | 8:09 a.m. June 27, 2009
I found it interesting from this article, one of their talks will be "how
can you survive the end of the world"
If I were them I would be more concerned ... how can you live life now.
Living all your life preparing for something that probably isn't going to happen is no way to live life.
If I were them I would be more concerned ... how can you live life now.
Living all your life preparing for something that probably isn't going to happen is no way to live life.
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Carlos Simones | 9:36 a.m. June 27, 2009
The idea here is to generate so much fear that people refuse to talk to JWs.
This is a form of mind control, as the posters like Danny Haszard use fear to
motivate their audience. Basically what he is saying is: You are not smart
enough to see JWs for what they really are so I have to think for you. A
PATHETIC BUNCH INDEED!
Carlos Simones | 9:39 a.m. June 27, 2009
And by the, JWs have never taught that the thousand year reign has already
begun. These comments are so off the mark I'm beginning to wonder if the
posters really paid attention when they spoke to JWs.
Jodi | 10:36 a.m. June 27, 2009
Jehovah's Witnesses-Living crouched in a little corner waiting for the end to come,trotting door to door circulating a lie.
Jehovah's Witnesses are most welcome to hold conventions with some favorable press to go with it too.
Same as Scientology,Moonies or any other group just don't expect us to accept your teachings because your in town today.
Jodi | 10:37 a.m. June 27, 2009
Jehovah's Witnesses want our good people to be 'love bombed' they
call it "spiritually upbuilt" at their convention.
When the spell wears off please to your research and use YOUR computer to google Jehovah witness and scroll down for the good stuff.
When the spell wears off please to your research and use YOUR computer to google Jehovah witness and scroll down for the good stuff.
Lynn Lennon | 10:38 a.m. June 27, 2009
It is amazing to me that many people are so spiritually asleep that they pay no
heed to the message of JW's, a message which they show me in my Bible.
They teach hope - the uniting of mankind under God's (Jehovah) kingdom,
which I have been praying for: ...holy is your name. Your kingdom come, your
will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven.
It is evident to me that the world is rapidly changing. Some are changes 4 the good, but many people won't even watch the news. Everyone wants change for the better. Can't God do that? Wouldn't He want to? The JW's appear happy in their work and in daily life. Have we thought: Which side would we have been when they arrested Jesus? Jesus said a slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you too. A prophet is not welcome in his own home town, Jesus said. His own people hung him when they should've been following. I've read the Bible. I pray that God shows me His way & I'm not going to tell Him how...
It is evident to me that the world is rapidly changing. Some are changes 4 the good, but many people won't even watch the news. Everyone wants change for the better. Can't God do that? Wouldn't He want to? The JW's appear happy in their work and in daily life. Have we thought: Which side would we have been when they arrested Jesus? Jesus said a slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you too. A prophet is not welcome in his own home town, Jesus said. His own people hung him when they should've been following. I've read the Bible. I pray that God shows me His way & I'm not going to tell Him how...
Kenny | 11:08 a.m. June 27, 2009
The end of the world is coming someday.. but it won't be the Watchtower
society Jehovah's Witnesses fulfillment.
They set bogus dates over and over...
Lots of atheist scientist are saying we need to save the planet (global warming, over-population,plaques asteroids from outer space...)
The Watchtower has made apocalyptic proclamations profitable.
They set bogus dates over and over...
Lots of atheist scientist are saying we need to save the planet (global warming, over-population,plaques asteroids from outer space...)
The Watchtower has made apocalyptic proclamations profitable.
Gayle | 1:12 p.m. June 27, 2009
Please INVESTIGATE thoroughly before you dedicate your life at baptism to the
Watchtower Society, the "spirit-directed (???) organization". No
independent thinking is allowed thereafter. Then, all your thinking is done for
you. The Watchtower Society at one time banned vaccinations, organ transplants,
blood fractions and later okayed for their members without any apology for those
that suffered and died needlessly. Could the Watchtower okay blood transfusion
also some day? The threat of disfellowshipping, expelling, shunning holds their
members abusively from using and stating any free thought.
Check the many references online like "jwfacts" and "freeminds"
Listen to WTS Vice President "Fred Franz" in 1975 about "1975" on YouTube
Check the many references online like "jwfacts" and "freeminds"
Listen to WTS Vice President "Fred Franz" in 1975 about "1975" on YouTube
LoveRules | 7:34 p.m. June 27, 2009
Interesting. Catholic has killed Catholic, Protestant has killed Protestant,
Muslim has killed Muslim, etc. - all by the tens of millions in name of war and
nationalism over the last 60+ years. Yet I've heard not one word of
apology or explainantion from their leaders as to why they abandoned THE primary
teaching of Christ - love your neighbor as yourself.
And these are spirit-directed organizations??
But you can rest assured, not one person was killed by a JW.
And these are spirit-directed organizations??
But you can rest assured, not one person was killed by a JW.
Don | 8:04 p.m. June 27, 2009
I see all the ANTI Jehovah Witnesses are on here having a hay day. Please go
spew somewhere else if you think you know more than we do. We know what we are
doing it right rather any of you believe it or not.
Neil | 1:12 a.m. June 28, 2009
250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are DEAD (since 1945) by a man-made Watchtower
society ban on *whole* blood transfusions.
The JW defenders will dance all around this but even the general public know it to be true.
We hear about the deaths all the time on the general news,and when they need to the Watchtower will eulogize these 'martyrs for Jehovah'.
NOW in 2009 the blood ban is so watered down that it looks like theses thousands died in vain for a man made dogma that will soon be lifted altogether.
Outrageous!!
The JW defenders will dance all around this but even the general public know it to be true.
We hear about the deaths all the time on the general news,and when they need to the Watchtower will eulogize these 'martyrs for Jehovah'.
NOW in 2009 the blood ban is so watered down that it looks like theses thousands died in vain for a man made dogma that will soon be lifted altogether.
Outrageous!!
Carlos Simones | 5:02 a.m. June 28, 2009
Especially in these difficult times, I have coworkers who are Baptists,
Catholics, Muslims etc. who have no clue why things are the way they are. They
marvel at me and my family and how we are so calm as we go about teahcing the
Bible. They also marvel at the way we raise our kids, polite, well dressed,
respect the elderly. Why is it that members of mainstream religions have no idea
why human society is in this dilema yet JWs do?
Anonymous | 4:57 p.m. June 28, 2009
Jehovah's witnesses are not trying to scare people but want to teach them
how to survive the end of this system of things. We want to be the sort of
people that are judged as righteous by God's standards and want to teach
what those standards are from the Bible,not from man's views on what is
right or wrong.
We do this because of love for God and neighbor.
When the earth is cleansed of all badness then the prayer we pray and many others pray which is let your kingdom come and your will be done on earth as it is in heaven will have been answered.
Can you imagine? No wars.No hunger. No sickness or dying.Just happy people thankful for their paradise home and no one to spoil their peace anymore. People kind and gentle and loving to each other.
Please let Jehovah's witnesses show you in your Bible these promises.Peace and security by means of
God's kingdom.
We do this because of love for God and neighbor.
When the earth is cleansed of all badness then the prayer we pray and many others pray which is let your kingdom come and your will be done on earth as it is in heaven will have been answered.
Can you imagine? No wars.No hunger. No sickness or dying.Just happy people thankful for their paradise home and no one to spoil their peace anymore. People kind and gentle and loving to each other.
Please let Jehovah's witnesses show you in your Bible these promises.Peace and security by means of
God's kingdom.
Ronny | 1:46 a.m. June 29, 2009
Watchtower apocalyptic vision
*Keeping on the Watch* theme is healthy for good measure for all things in life,but not when it's used as a prompt for pushing an end of the world cover for a Watchtower doctrinal structure that has had many flip-flops and back ups.
If the leaders owned up to their errors instead of white washing they would have more respect.
1975 was one of the Watchtower predictions and they should apologize for it.
Don't be like like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling,or crying wolf too many times.
*Keeping on the Watch* theme is healthy for good measure for all things in life,but not when it's used as a prompt for pushing an end of the world cover for a Watchtower doctrinal structure that has had many flip-flops and back ups.
If the leaders owned up to their errors instead of white washing they would have more respect.
1975 was one of the Watchtower predictions and they should apologize for it.
Don't be like like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling,or crying wolf too many times.
Dave | 9:48 a.m. June 29, 2009
If when Christ comes you are pledging allegiance to ANY nation on the face of
the earth you will perish.
Considering the earths current governments are failing at an immense pace destroying the worlds economy thru irresponsible
management and satanic greed I would be pretty fearful if I was pledging allegiance/worshiping one of the pathetic nations on this earth now.
Thats the bottom line.
Daniel 2:44
Revelation 19:18
YOUR CHOICE - Christ or the Nations
Considering the earths current governments are failing at an immense pace destroying the worlds economy thru irresponsible
management and satanic greed I would be pretty fearful if I was pledging allegiance/worshiping one of the pathetic nations on this earth now.
Thats the bottom line.
Daniel 2:44
Revelation 19:18
YOUR CHOICE - Christ or the Nations
Rachel | 2:01 a.m. June 30, 2009
Jehovah's Witnesses UN hypocrisy.
The Watchtower Society took a conflicting stand with regard to the United Nations, claiming that it is the wild beast of Revelation that leads all nations in a fight against God and Christ at Armageddon, but signing on as an NGO member and publishing articles that present the UN in a favorable light.
'Reaping the whirlwind'{ Hosea 8:7 }
The Watchtower Society took a conflicting stand with regard to the United Nations, claiming that it is the wild beast of Revelation that leads all nations in a fight against God and Christ at Armageddon, but signing on as an NGO member and publishing articles that present the UN in a favorable light.
'Reaping the whirlwind'{ Hosea 8:7 }
Rick D. | 1:15 p.m. July 5, 2009
The Jehovah's Witnesses may want to rethink inviting the general public. I
know the congregation overseers in American Fork and Provo are wishing that THIS
member of the general public had stayed home. When you tear apart members of MY
family, I WILL tell you just how unhappy that makes me feel.
The Provo overseer said that they would not fix the problem that THEY caused so this story is just beginning.
The Provo overseer said that they would not fix the problem that THEY caused so this story is just beginning.
David Brewer | 1:35 p.m. July 5, 2009
Carlos Simones:
They also marvel at the way we raise our kids, polite, well dressed, respect the elderly.
He is right about that. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. I knew that if I did anything that my parents didn't approve, I was going to get the crap beat out of me when I got home. If anyone wants to raise their child in an environment of fear and isolation then join the Jehovah's Witnesses.
They also marvel at the way we raise our kids, polite, well dressed, respect the elderly.
He is right about that. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. I knew that if I did anything that my parents didn't approve, I was going to get the crap beat out of me when I got home. If anyone wants to raise their child in an environment of fear and isolation then join the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Michael | 8:28 a.m. July 6, 2009
I just think people are using perhaps issues unique within their families to
broadly paint an unfavorable picture of JWs. Prior to my parents getting
baptized, my father was a drunkard and possible adulterer, my mother was
depressed and we were struggling financially.
Once they studied, my father gave up all that and smoking too, my parents spent time doing up building things which also helped strengthen their marriage and became better parents too, giving up much personal comfort to ensure that us kids had the things we needed. So I for one, though I'm not a JW, will never fault them for issues in my family life, it only made it better.
Also, my father was always a strict disciplinarian, before and after, just that he didn't use the physical punishment as much afterwards (though admittedly in retrospect, at times we really deserved it).
Once they studied, my father gave up all that and smoking too, my parents spent time doing up building things which also helped strengthen their marriage and became better parents too, giving up much personal comfort to ensure that us kids had the things we needed. So I for one, though I'm not a JW, will never fault them for issues in my family life, it only made it better.
Also, my father was always a strict disciplinarian, before and after, just that he didn't use the physical punishment as much afterwards (though admittedly in retrospect, at times we really deserved it).
Dennis | 9:52 a.m. July 6, 2009
JW's have an interesting and checkered past, but you should go to a
neutral site to glean information on them. My own family consists of Catholics,
Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses and LDS. All those who live their religion
fully are wonderful, productive, and happy people. It's inherent in
Christ's teachings.
But trying to "prove" by the strict use of the Bible that which is unprovable has produced hundreds of various Christian churches throughout the world, each one adapting scriptures to its own use. The JW's main focus seems to be the "End of the World," which has come and gone several times now, and I'm not sure where they are on that now. I'm not sure they still practice "shunning" either, but they did in the past.
In reality, only through modern revelation can one know the truths that may have been lost or distorted down through the centuries. Those who sincerely seek that truth will find it.
But trying to "prove" by the strict use of the Bible that which is unprovable has produced hundreds of various Christian churches throughout the world, each one adapting scriptures to its own use. The JW's main focus seems to be the "End of the World," which has come and gone several times now, and I'm not sure where they are on that now. I'm not sure they still practice "shunning" either, but they did in the past.
In reality, only through modern revelation can one know the truths that may have been lost or distorted down through the centuries. Those who sincerely seek that truth will find it.
Battle axes | 10:16 a.m. July 6, 2009
I see all the Anti JWs are on here. Don't you have something better to do
in your own religion and life rather then finding fault with the beliefs of
others?
Teresa | 2:51 p.m. July 6, 2009
By a lot of the comments posted, there seems to be a lot of anger and some of it
seems to be from things that are perceived one way. They can't see the
forest for the trees so to speak. Everyone is encouraged to find out for
themselves what Jehovah's Witnesses teach and what they are like as a
group. I know from personal experience you can find a lot wrong with
individuals, but for every rotten individual in the organization there are
certainly more who are practicing what they have learned & teach others. To
let hostilities & bias cloud the hope the Bible gives is certainly that
person's loss. Each person is accountable to God and each person has a
choice to make. If you are someone who feels JW's have torn apart your
family, maybe you are the one doing the tearing. Maybe you are the one who is
stubbornly set in your ways and resisting what you "think" is bad. I
should know--I was married to an opposer who divorced me. Later, he regretted it
and admitted he made an error in judgment. I had learned how to be a better
wife.
Rachel | 8:49 a.m. July 7, 2009
Michael Jackson was baptized 1973 at California Jehovah's Witnesses
convention.He was later disfellowshipped when he was at his low point,now the
Watchtower society has to deal with it and the negative publicity.
Richard | 3:35 p.m. July 7, 2009
"Michael Jackson was baptized 1973 at California Jehovah's Witnesses
convention.He was later disfellowshipped when he was at his low point,now the
Watchtower society has to deal with it and the negative publicity."
I fail to see what the negative publicity is. When someone is dis-fellowshipped it is following Biblical direction to help maintain the spiritual health of the congregation. It also forces the dis-felllowshipped one to see what he's truly missing within the congregation, and perhaps help that one to amend his way and return to the group. If they want to continue, than so be it. That choice is theirs.
We're not ashamed of following Bible truths and guidelines.
I think a lot of these negative comments are from ones who have some personal grudge, or wanted to live their lives w/o any moral boundaries, and then get all bent out of shape when they're asked to leave.
I fail to see what the negative publicity is. When someone is dis-fellowshipped it is following Biblical direction to help maintain the spiritual health of the congregation. It also forces the dis-felllowshipped one to see what he's truly missing within the congregation, and perhaps help that one to amend his way and return to the group. If they want to continue, than so be it. That choice is theirs.
We're not ashamed of following Bible truths and guidelines.
I think a lot of these negative comments are from ones who have some personal grudge, or wanted to live their lives w/o any moral boundaries, and then get all bent out of shape when they're asked to leave.
Danny | 5:08 a.m. July 12, 2009
Jehovah's Witnesses and *freedom of speech*
They will extol and preach *God's Kingdom* and this sounds attractive,what they hide from you is their Watchtower society version that Jesus has already had his second coming in 1914 and is working *invisibly* through them.
They have won 37 of their 46 Supreme court cases assuring us all of freedom of speech and assembly and equal protection under the law.
The sad irony is that the Watchtower Society *daily* abuses the human rights of thousands of its members. It denies current members the right of free speech by forbidding them to speak to former members, even close family members.
And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower's practices or doctrines.
They will extol and preach *God's Kingdom* and this sounds attractive,what they hide from you is their Watchtower society version that Jesus has already had his second coming in 1914 and is working *invisibly* through them.
They have won 37 of their 46 Supreme court cases assuring us all of freedom of speech and assembly and equal protection under the law.
The sad irony is that the Watchtower Society *daily* abuses the human rights of thousands of its members. It denies current members the right of free speech by forbidding them to speak to former members, even close family members.
And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower's practices or doctrines.
Anonymous | 11:05 p.m. July 12, 2009
Don't believe these negative remarks about Jehovah's witnesses coming
from people who don't like them. Just ask a Jehovah's witness what
they believe and you'll get the truth for yourself.
Gert | 6:58 a.m. July 13, 2009
The Jehovah's Witnesses religion teaches that there are two worlds: One
that is governed by the Watchtower Society JW and the one run by Satan (non-JW).
Google yahoo search: Jehovah Witness
Former JWs are the best source of information about the cult. They know because they have lived it. Those who are still inside can't speak freely. Who has more credibility?
Think about it
Google yahoo search: Jehovah Witness
Former JWs are the best source of information about the cult. They know because they have lived it. Those who are still inside can't speak freely. Who has more credibility?
Think about it
S.J. | 10:56 a.m. July 30, 2009
The only reason I'm not a JW is because they have very high moral
standards, and I just can't be that good! I have studied their doctrine
though, and it comes strictly from the bible. Every bible prophesy has been
fulfilled! What makes us think that the final ones will not be? It makes so
much sense. I love to search out truth and expose lies, and have found that
many religions are founded upon lies (not to mention being disproved by DNA
evidence). People go to war and kill other members of their religion.
JW's will never do that. You can trust JW's with your life,
literally. They preach door to door out of love for mankind. What do you have
to gain by being mean to them, and telling lies about them?
DeathSentry | 11:36 a.m. Aug. 6, 2009
Actually, witnesses do not believe that we are presently in the 1000 year
millennial reign of Christ, that occurs after armageddon has come. Just wanted
to make sure it was clear
> 144,000? | 12:23 p.m. Aug. 6, 2009
Are there more than 144,000 members now?
The JW Blues | 12:36 p.m. Aug. 6, 2009
"I've got the J - Dub blues from my head to my shoes"....
a favorite song of mine from years past.
a favorite song of mine from years past.
yeh right | 11:08 a.m. Aug. 24, 2009
if jws have such high morals then why are most of them generations older, im yet
to see a group of younger jws banging on my door selling a way of life just as
ruthlessly as a window sales man. this brings me on to the next comment, why
sell the jw product on door steps, is it because its dying out and people
believe more in science and technology since this is what gets us through day to
day life. ignorance is bliss amongst the jw community and the good book was
written to help the world when there was no laws, now we have laws so i think we
should all get on as one and stop curling up in a corner waiting for paradise,
when your times up its over and you will have wasted a whole life not living.
such a tragic waste.
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Jehovah's Witnesses dissident speaks.
Jehovah's Witnesses are noted for their chief doctrine that Jesus had his second coming in 1914 and going door to door with Watchtower magazines.
The Jehovah's Witnesses conventions are the major source of publicity for the Watchtower society,conventions and construction of new Kingdom hall buildings.
The followers are giving a shot of optimism that the end of this old world is coming any minute,like the carrot to the donkey they just keep coming back year after year while their lives stagnate for this apocalyptic sect that keeps manipulating them.
--
Danny Haszard
[The unscriptural shunning practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses is a shame device control tactic and the entire family is cut-off.]