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Utah Jazz select VCU guard Maynor with pick No. 20
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todd from santa ana | 9:31 a.m. June 26, 2009
yeahhhhhhh can make a heavy dose of playing 2 6'3 guys together that
will wow the league yes indeed, better yet start DWIL, move Brewer to smal
forward.
Now you start a high school height 6'3, 6;3 in backcourt and 6'4 at small forward
yeahhhhh that will wow the Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets and Blazers....
Now you start a high school height 6'3, 6;3 in backcourt and 6'4 at small forward
yeahhhhh that will wow the Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets and Blazers....
Anonymous | 9:45 a.m. June 26, 2009
Once again to all the "fans" who are screaming for the Jazz to make a
trade. They cannot make a trade until Boozer/Okur/Korver opts out or opts in.
Todd, Maybe you should just become a Spurs Fan.
Todd, Maybe you should just become a Spurs Fan.
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Rick Jensen | 9:54 a.m. June 26, 2009
Kevin O Conor needs to go. He is not making this team any better.
Miles | 10:01 a.m. June 26, 2009
Still a lot to be determined......Boozer, Millsap, Korver, CJ, Memo,
etc....Until the dust settles, No use being negative about the team. We could
be awesome next year or we could be horrible. Time will tell. But it appears
we are planning on keeping Boozer and Millsap along with Memo.
BGomer | 10:10 a.m. June 26, 2009
@Todd
MSN's draft ratings?? how reliable. ESPN gave the Jazz an 'A'
I love how all year everyone whines and complains about how terrible we are at the backup point, and so when we draft a backup point, again with the whining.
Or last year everyone complains about how the Jazz always draft big slow white guys, and now people are begging for a center like BJ Mullins? Come on.
I was hoping for Sam Young, I love his game and think he fits in great with Utah, and brings some toughness we lack, but apparantely I am not too smart since he fell so far.
I do like Maynor, I don't love him though. I think come mid-season he will be an upgrade over knight and price, and that was a position we needed to fill.
Suton will go to Europe, he is a project pick that we don't have to pay.
Is anyone else sick of the spurs? O'Connor is no slouch of a GM when you compare him with others around the league, but compared to the spurs, ouch.
MSN's draft ratings?? how reliable. ESPN gave the Jazz an 'A'
I love how all year everyone whines and complains about how terrible we are at the backup point, and so when we draft a backup point, again with the whining.
Or last year everyone complains about how the Jazz always draft big slow white guys, and now people are begging for a center like BJ Mullins? Come on.
I was hoping for Sam Young, I love his game and think he fits in great with Utah, and brings some toughness we lack, but apparantely I am not too smart since he fell so far.
I do like Maynor, I don't love him though. I think come mid-season he will be an upgrade over knight and price, and that was a position we needed to fill.
Suton will go to Europe, he is a project pick that we don't have to pay.
Is anyone else sick of the spurs? O'Connor is no slouch of a GM when you compare him with others around the league, but compared to the spurs, ouch.
BGomer | 10:12 a.m. June 26, 2009
Oh and for all you people whining about a trade a trade I can't believe we
haven't made a trade. What do you expect, until next week we have no idea
what our situation is going to be. How can we make moves now? Until Boozer
decides we can't trade him(league rules), same with Korver. You guys are
unbelievable.
Fedor | 10:15 a.m. June 26, 2009
I can not be sure what more Utah Jazz could have done in draft full of backups
and fellow countrymen. Does Fedor love this draft? No...but say this......there
are no good center or PF at this spot. I think Maynor will be better player than
the Brevin Knight and in the time will pass crowd favorite, Ronnie Price. It
seem clear that we will bring back same team from last two years and without the
injury we will be OK. Maybe we don't have all the fun everyone else has
with big trades and those moves that bring much excitement to fan of
team....sometime slow and steady win race. Now let us get out there and order
our Eric Maynor jerseys and give him all the love that Jazz fan is capable of.
We are best fans in this NBA so let us show him that we will not boo our players
(except the Carlos Boozer) but we will embrace them with the open arms of 1000
armies. The experience of our great D-Will will take us very far and we will
fight to the bitter end!!!!
Anonymous | 10:22 a.m. June 26, 2009
KOC touting Ronnie Brewer, the only shooting guard I've seen in the NBA
where defensive players bait him into shooting because he's so horrible, is
a joke.
Should have taken Sam Young--I thought we needed a hard-nosed defender?
Should have taken Sam Young--I thought we needed a hard-nosed defender?
NY Jazz Fan | 10:28 a.m. June 26, 2009
The Maynor pick is Genius. The Jazz got the guy I wanted. Anyone saying the
Jazz should have picked a big at 20 is a fool. Find me your big game changing
big at pick 20 in one of the weakest drafts in history. Blair while talented is
an undersizeed PF who is good at rebounding - we have that already his name is
Paul Millsap and he is the man. Also I like my big men to have ACLs maybe thats
just me.
Also thx to Indiana for taking Psycho T because he would have been a bad fit for the Jazz (again we already have an undersized hustling PF who we know can play in the NBA)
Be proud like me, The Jazz are a smart NBA franchise
Also thx to Indiana for taking Psycho T because he would have been a bad fit for the Jazz (again we already have an undersized hustling PF who we know can play in the NBA)
Be proud like me, The Jazz are a smart NBA franchise
dumb and dumber | 10:30 a.m. June 26, 2009
I don't have a problem with the Maynor pick as long as Sloan doesn't
sit him on the bench or regulate him to the Dleague all year. Sloan is accustom
at doing this which is a big mistake. Wonder if this pick mean Price is gone. I
think that would be a bigger mistake. We should have traded up when Blair and
Young fell to the second round and drafted one of them. Suton is not doing to
make it in the league. We have Kosta and Fez. If Suton sticks, he will be a
Dleaguer as well. Jazz brass again too dumb to make any moves.
@Todd | 10:37 a.m. June 26, 2009
There is a time to play small ball and running 2 PGs with DWill at SG is a very
good set especially with AK at SF.
One site reported that Price wants 5-6 Mill. I find that hard to believe. What team will take Price even for a Mill in this economy?
On Maynor-turnovers may be a problem, he also needs strength. He is not fast for a PG. He knows how to run a team and that is most important.
I think Suton may make the team. It depends on the Lux tax and if Boozer/Korver come back. If Okur leaves the Jazz have Koufos and Suton both who have similar but less developed skills than Okur.
There are only 15 positions on the team.
Boozer/Millsap/Suton
Okur/Koufos/Fez
AK/CJ/Harp
Brewer/Korver
DWill/Maynor/Backup
Almond, Knight and Collins are gone as near as I can tell. Harp may get traded for salary cap by mid season or bought out. Price is iffy. He may find another team.
Boozer and Harp could get traded later if Boozer stays. DET wants a different attitude than Boozer's. Don't count on DET.
One site reported that Price wants 5-6 Mill. I find that hard to believe. What team will take Price even for a Mill in this economy?
On Maynor-turnovers may be a problem, he also needs strength. He is not fast for a PG. He knows how to run a team and that is most important.
I think Suton may make the team. It depends on the Lux tax and if Boozer/Korver come back. If Okur leaves the Jazz have Koufos and Suton both who have similar but less developed skills than Okur.
There are only 15 positions on the team.
Boozer/Millsap/Suton
Okur/Koufos/Fez
AK/CJ/Harp
Brewer/Korver
DWill/Maynor/Backup
Almond, Knight and Collins are gone as near as I can tell. Harp may get traded for salary cap by mid season or bought out. Price is iffy. He may find another team.
Boozer and Harp could get traded later if Boozer stays. DET wants a different attitude than Boozer's. Don't count on DET.
@Fedor | 10:48 a.m. June 26, 2009
Slow and steady would be fine if it would fix the bad defense, back to backs and
the bad road record. Not to mention the inability to beat the best teams.
Unfortunately slow and steady does not fix the key problems.
The Jazz suffer from a coaching and management philosophy that will not or can not address the major weaknesses. In the current form, the Jazz can't beat LA or SA (greatly improved). They probably also can't beat DEN or POR without major changes in players and philosophy.
The teams who have been winning lately are making high risk major moves. BOS last year, LA this year and last year, and ORL all made major moves via trades. If there is a weakness they immediately address it. SA just made a major move and will challenge LA next year.
Slow and steady does not work when your major competitors make major winning moves.
The Jazz are reliably just about or above average and not willing to try to get a lot better or they don't know how.
SA's management runs circles around them.
The Jazz suffer from a coaching and management philosophy that will not or can not address the major weaknesses. In the current form, the Jazz can't beat LA or SA (greatly improved). They probably also can't beat DEN or POR without major changes in players and philosophy.
The teams who have been winning lately are making high risk major moves. BOS last year, LA this year and last year, and ORL all made major moves via trades. If there is a weakness they immediately address it. SA just made a major move and will challenge LA next year.
Slow and steady does not work when your major competitors make major winning moves.
The Jazz are reliably just about or above average and not willing to try to get a lot better or they don't know how.
SA's management runs circles around them.
Chadders | 10:50 a.m. June 26, 2009
Great pick all things considered. Sam Young? Yeah I like the kid too but how
many 2s and 3s do we need? I guess some of the Sloan haters don't read any
of the comments that point out why we haven't made a big trade, ie we have
to wait to know what option Booz, Memo and KK are going to take before we can
trade them. I feel happy we won't have Knight or Collins back though.
Thanks for what you've brought and good luck on your future endeavors
Brevin and Jarron.
Give him a chance | 10:55 a.m. June 26, 2009
I watched maynor play a little bit last year and I thought he was a good player.
I think he was the best player on the board when the jazz picked and I am not
sure if any of the bigs left would be any good. I hope Maynor does good.
STEVE-O | 11:00 a.m. June 26, 2009
Sam Young! Remember the name because he's going to be a BIG regret for the
Jazz organization for years to come. That guy can defend, and Utah is gonna
lose Korver or Brewer... or BOTH after the 2010 season.
todd from santa ana | 11:09 a.m. June 26, 2009
its done now, I do not want to be accused of not supporting our players because
i will root for the colors and whoever wears our jersey. We have to be fair and
analyze bad or good the players.
Suton was good and bad in NCAA tournament. Tom Izzo at times would tear more hair out over this guy but he has a good shot obviously, I know for the last time about the optout deadlines. If one does not know 5 days what these guys are going to do it is time to find out
Suton was good and bad in NCAA tournament. Tom Izzo at times would tear more hair out over this guy but he has a good shot obviously, I know for the last time about the optout deadlines. If one does not know 5 days what these guys are going to do it is time to find out
You can't blame the players | 11:10 a.m. June 26, 2009
for bad defense, poor back to backs and poor road records. Ultimately it is
management's responsibility to get players who will play defense (or a
coach who can create a workable defense). It is management's responsibility
to solve the back to back and road problems.
Blaming the players does not cut it. It might be okay for a few games but these are problems that span years. That is a management problem.
KOC has coaching experience. He is not dumb. He knows where the problems lie.
Sloan blames the players for the above problems. Well get some players who will fix the problems. Maybe the problem was Miller but I do not think so.
The problem is a strong bias against making needed changes. A refusal to adjust when needed. A refusal to make more than minor tinkering and tweaking.
The Jazz jumped forward when they took big risks in getting Okur and Boozer. That has taken the Jazz as far as it can. They need another bold (right) step.
Even then it will be very hard to beat LA and SA with a limited budget. Given the economy, FA is a better approach than the draft.
Blaming the players does not cut it. It might be okay for a few games but these are problems that span years. That is a management problem.
KOC has coaching experience. He is not dumb. He knows where the problems lie.
Sloan blames the players for the above problems. Well get some players who will fix the problems. Maybe the problem was Miller but I do not think so.
The problem is a strong bias against making needed changes. A refusal to adjust when needed. A refusal to make more than minor tinkering and tweaking.
The Jazz jumped forward when they took big risks in getting Okur and Boozer. That has taken the Jazz as far as it can. They need another bold (right) step.
Even then it will be very hard to beat LA and SA with a limited budget. Given the economy, FA is a better approach than the draft.
STEVE-O | 11:19 a.m. June 26, 2009
I look at this two ways.
Option #1: Maynor isn't good and he's out of the league and playing in Europe in 3 years.
Optoin #2: Maynor is a stud! He really turns out to be a great player. So because the Jazz already have Deron Williams he is unsatisfied with playing time and/or money. So he goes to another team after 3 years. Either way this guy will NOT be on the team in 4 years.
With that said... the Jazz are in need of a decent back-up and they like to have 3 PG on the team. So I don't really hate the pick too much.
Option #1: Maynor isn't good and he's out of the league and playing in Europe in 3 years.
Optoin #2: Maynor is a stud! He really turns out to be a great player. So because the Jazz already have Deron Williams he is unsatisfied with playing time and/or money. So he goes to another team after 3 years. Either way this guy will NOT be on the team in 4 years.
With that said... the Jazz are in need of a decent back-up and they like to have 3 PG on the team. So I don't really hate the pick too much.
Can CJ or AK | 11:20 a.m. June 26, 2009
play point forward? That would eliminate the expense of another back up PG. How
about some cross training?
That might keep the Jazz out of the Lux tax. ORL was able to trade for a PG in an emergency. I am sure the Jazz could do like wise if they really needed to.
Sloan's biases (3 PGs) are expensive and a major reason why this team can not and will not move forward.
Would CJ/AK do worse than Knight/Price?
Is CJ capable if this? That would make him give him some value.
That might keep the Jazz out of the Lux tax. ORL was able to trade for a PG in an emergency. I am sure the Jazz could do like wise if they really needed to.
Sloan's biases (3 PGs) are expensive and a major reason why this team can not and will not move forward.
Would CJ/AK do worse than Knight/Price?
Is CJ capable if this? That would make him give him some value.
Anonymous | 11:20 a.m. June 26, 2009
On paper the Jazz are a much better team than they tend to play.
Whether through trade, free agency, or watching America's Most Wanted, they need to find some toughness.
Remember Mike Brown? Billy Poultz? Even Greg Foster was willing to pop someone in the mouth. We wont be back to competing with the elite teams until we have someone with a big nasty streak.
todd to chadders | 11:20 a.m. June 26, 2009
if all these guys holding "our" franchise hostage yes "our"
the city you live in and all of the "fans" do not know by now they
will never know, good luck to Real tomorrow night, whats up fedor!!
Re: Anonymous | 11:21 a.m. June 26, 2009
What dominant big man do you suggest the Jazz Get? Shaq? Dwight Howard? Gasol?
Amare? Garnett? Yeah there are dominant big men out there but their teams
aren't going to part with them or they are way too old to trade for. I am
glad the Jazz got the best player available. I am glad you are not running the
Jazz.
STEVE-O | 11:33 a.m. June 26, 2009
To those who say Big Men are a thing of the past, and that Guards are most
important in this league I ask this question: Name me a team that has won an
NBA title recently that hasn't had a good big man?
Lakers: Gasol
Celtics: Garnett
Heat: Shaq
Spurs: Duncan
Lakers: Shaq
Rockets: Hakeem the dream.
The lone exception was Jordan and the Bulls! And well... that was Jordan! Now go through those teams and tell me who the point guards were? Not that great if you ask me! Teams that win championships have a dominating big man.
I do think that big men are changing. The more athletic (Dwight Howard, Amare Staudamire, Pau Gasol) are the most versitle. Yao, Oden, and other moster slow big guys get injured easily and tired easily. They can't keep up.
Lakers: Gasol
Celtics: Garnett
Heat: Shaq
Spurs: Duncan
Lakers: Shaq
Rockets: Hakeem the dream.
The lone exception was Jordan and the Bulls! And well... that was Jordan! Now go through those teams and tell me who the point guards were? Not that great if you ask me! Teams that win championships have a dominating big man.
I do think that big men are changing. The more athletic (Dwight Howard, Amare Staudamire, Pau Gasol) are the most versitle. Yao, Oden, and other moster slow big guys get injured easily and tired easily. They can't keep up.
Bundy | 11:53 a.m. June 26, 2009
War the Jazz getting rid of Boozer, resigning Milsap and finding an interior
defensive presence.
War Andre and Ronnie learning to hit long range jumpers.
War the Lakers losing Ariza and Odom and watching Fisher get a little bit slower each year.
and finally war the New York Knicks tanking again this year. I will be chearing against them as much as I will be chearing for the Jazz.
War Andre and Ronnie learning to hit long range jumpers.
War the Lakers losing Ariza and Odom and watching Fisher get a little bit slower each year.
and finally war the New York Knicks tanking again this year. I will be chearing against them as much as I will be chearing for the Jazz.
Deron | 11:54 a.m. June 26, 2009
After reading through many of these comments I'm beginning to think a lot
of Jazz fans are pretty pathetic. Yeah, we are all frusterated with the way
last year ended, but quit bagging on this pick. I think they picked the best
player available, plus, Utah does need a consistent and credible backup PG.
Ronnie Price is energetic and tough, but he's not the best PG. I'm
just glad they didn't draft another big unathletic body like they have a
tendency to do. The still need to go after a player or two in potential trades
or signings, but I think Eric Maynor will be a good pick. Read up on him...all
the analysts think Utah made a great pick. Lots of Jazz fans are very short
sighted and need to open their eyes.
@Chadders | 12:02 p.m. June 26, 2009
Yes we are very aware that the Jazz can't make any major moves until the
opt outs. What we are discussing are strategies to fix problems that have
festered for years with no attempt to fix them.
HOU was aggressive last night in buying 2nd round picks. The Jazz could have paid cash for high second round picks and addressed more needs.
The media pumped the hard nosed, mean nasty player routine. That set everyone up to expect the Jazz to draft at least one good hard defender. The Jazz sucked their collective thumb on improving the defense.
Maynor is okay and addresses a need. I like Suton for a long shot. If management is not aggressive why would the team be aggressive? It starts at the top. The players reflect the corporate culture (all talk).
The Jazz sent one more signal that they are not interested in defense and are not willing to fix the major problems.
That is what is wrong with the Jazz. They do not seize or create opportunities. I am not sure who makes these decisions but something has to change.
Given the FA market maybe waiting was wise.
Please fix problems.
HOU was aggressive last night in buying 2nd round picks. The Jazz could have paid cash for high second round picks and addressed more needs.
The media pumped the hard nosed, mean nasty player routine. That set everyone up to expect the Jazz to draft at least one good hard defender. The Jazz sucked their collective thumb on improving the defense.
Maynor is okay and addresses a need. I like Suton for a long shot. If management is not aggressive why would the team be aggressive? It starts at the top. The players reflect the corporate culture (all talk).
The Jazz sent one more signal that they are not interested in defense and are not willing to fix the major problems.
That is what is wrong with the Jazz. They do not seize or create opportunities. I am not sure who makes these decisions but something has to change.
Given the FA market maybe waiting was wise.
Please fix problems.
G in VA | 12:25 p.m. June 26, 2009
I think you will be more than pleasantly surprised by Maynor. He is the only
college player I have ever really loved. He's amazing to watch: nimble on
his feet, able to make great clutch plays, and really really smart. He only gets
better with time. My one concern is that he is solid in the first half but
always great in the second half of a game. If he is backup PG, he won't get
that opportunity to warm up and really show his stuff. But I think that once he
gets the hang of the NBA, you Jazz fans will be pretty happy that he was still
around at the 20th pick and other teams will regret not choosing him.
Who was the next pick? | 12:27 p.m. June 26, 2009
Collison.
We shall see in a few years if this guard is better than that guard.
We shall see in a few years if this guard is better than that guard.
todd to above | 12:33 p.m. June 26, 2009
that is the point of all of this, i could have not said it better
JazzSpazz | 1:13 p.m. June 26, 2009
I am psyched about Maynor. If what is written about him is true, he will make a
solid backup PG and that was the biggest thing missing from the Jazz second unit
last year. Not going to get us a championship with just that move, but it's
a nice start.
Suton seems like a good pick too. The Jazz did pretty well for such a weak draft.
A final thought. For everyone freaking out because the Jazz haven't made a trade yet consider this: How do you expect them to make a trade when more than half of your team is a free agent, a restricted free agent, or holds a player option to become an unrestricted free agent? You can't trade something you don't have rights to yet.
I would love to see some bold moves by the front office this off season, but nothingcan happen before July 1.
Suton seems like a good pick too. The Jazz did pretty well for such a weak draft.
A final thought. For everyone freaking out because the Jazz haven't made a trade yet consider this: How do you expect them to make a trade when more than half of your team is a free agent, a restricted free agent, or holds a player option to become an unrestricted free agent? You can't trade something you don't have rights to yet.
I would love to see some bold moves by the front office this off season, but nothingcan happen before July 1.
todd from santa ana | 1:19 p.m. June 26, 2009
same issue with Darren, he can only back up Chris Paul, he is not the scorer., I
would have picked Maynor over Collison.
Everybody is missing the point-I will try and clarify the last time and give it a rest...
I am not at all questioning these 2 picks as good players. The 2 or 3 times I watched maynor, I have nothing to criticize. Suton is more of a project,
The point: Immediate Impact Moves. this could have been helped by trading up in the draft and jettisoning a salary or two like Miles, find out with 4 days left certainly, Okur, Boozie, Korver, see what they are going to do.. If Fez was not resigned i will not knock Suton,
We needed a shooting guard, a small forward and athletic 6'9, 6'10 forward. I am beginning to think we should go after Stoudamire-Golden State is.
Jer (to dismay of the "holics") is likely gone 1 year.
It is to start shaping up this team with picks and trades/free agents to set up the next decade for its new coach.
The Lakers will not be up there forever, and we could have good decade.
Everybody is missing the point-I will try and clarify the last time and give it a rest...
I am not at all questioning these 2 picks as good players. The 2 or 3 times I watched maynor, I have nothing to criticize. Suton is more of a project,
The point: Immediate Impact Moves. this could have been helped by trading up in the draft and jettisoning a salary or two like Miles, find out with 4 days left certainly, Okur, Boozie, Korver, see what they are going to do.. If Fez was not resigned i will not knock Suton,
We needed a shooting guard, a small forward and athletic 6'9, 6'10 forward. I am beginning to think we should go after Stoudamire-Golden State is.
Jer (to dismay of the "holics") is likely gone 1 year.
It is to start shaping up this team with picks and trades/free agents to set up the next decade for its new coach.
The Lakers will not be up there forever, and we could have good decade.
mikeb | 1:34 p.m. June 26, 2009
To all the comments on here saying the jazz blew it:
Apparently you haven't seen the espn grades on here because the jazz got an A. I will take their opinion over anyone on this board. Plus the people saying that we needed a center, who is available at 20? There was no one. Dejaun Blair has no ACL in either knee. Obviously he isn't that good if 36 other teams passed on him. He might be good but not worth the guaranteed contract of a 20 pick. I like the pick and think he will work good in the jazz system
Apparently you haven't seen the espn grades on here because the jazz got an A. I will take their opinion over anyone on this board. Plus the people saying that we needed a center, who is available at 20? There was no one. Dejaun Blair has no ACL in either knee. Obviously he isn't that good if 36 other teams passed on him. He might be good but not worth the guaranteed contract of a 20 pick. I like the pick and think he will work good in the jazz system
Team Goals | 1:39 p.m. June 26, 2009
The Jazz fans deserve
1. a winning road record
2. a winning back to back record
3. a decent defense
These should be team goals for 2009-2010.
Sloan blames the players for failure.
Well get players who will produce or get a coach who can produce.
The problems may be higher up than the players. The Jazz have created a soft do nothing corporate culture.
The whole organization needs to remodel. The Jazz did nothing in this draft to change the nature of this team. They now have 3 Cs who are all clones of Okur. That is by design. They are just as bad defensively as they have ever been. They have done nothing to fix the road and back to back problems.
There is a reason why the needed changes are not made. The Jazz are pursuing a strategy that will not work and refuse to change.
Dumars made changes. He got AI and realized it is about character not how many shots you can jack up.
Dumars is now looking to change the culture of the team. He does not want Boozer, wrong character.
He is looking for Big Ben2. DET was successful with Ben.
1. a winning road record
2. a winning back to back record
3. a decent defense
These should be team goals for 2009-2010.
Sloan blames the players for failure.
Well get players who will produce or get a coach who can produce.
The problems may be higher up than the players. The Jazz have created a soft do nothing corporate culture.
The whole organization needs to remodel. The Jazz did nothing in this draft to change the nature of this team. They now have 3 Cs who are all clones of Okur. That is by design. They are just as bad defensively as they have ever been. They have done nothing to fix the road and back to back problems.
There is a reason why the needed changes are not made. The Jazz are pursuing a strategy that will not work and refuse to change.
Dumars made changes. He got AI and realized it is about character not how many shots you can jack up.
Dumars is now looking to change the culture of the team. He does not want Boozer, wrong character.
He is looking for Big Ben2. DET was successful with Ben.
Miles | 1:50 p.m. June 26, 2009
I agree with the following:
Picks: (20th) Eric Maynor, (50th) Goran Suton
Analysis: The Jazz failed to address their need for help on the wings and took two players with very limited upside. Maynor is a nice player who should be a nice backup, but they could have afforded to gamble on a small forward with big potential. Suton lacks NBA-level athleticism and quickness.
Grade: C
Picks: (20th) Eric Maynor, (50th) Goran Suton
Analysis: The Jazz failed to address their need for help on the wings and took two players with very limited upside. Maynor is a nice player who should be a nice backup, but they could have afforded to gamble on a small forward with big potential. Suton lacks NBA-level athleticism and quickness.
Grade: C
Miles | 1:53 p.m. June 26, 2009
I find it interesting how you all hate CJ but you seem OK with the Jazz not
addressing that problem. CJ will be the starter next year at the 3. Gotta love
it.
RE: Deron | 1:55 p.m. June 26, 2009
Deron, would you happen to be the real D-Will? I'm serious. I think that
might be the real D-Will speaking.
Hypothetically speaking, if you are the real D-Will - what would be your ideal acquisition either by trade or FA?
Hypothetically speaking, if you are the real D-Will - what would be your ideal acquisition either by trade or FA?
Sports Talk Yahoos | 1:57 p.m. June 26, 2009
What the Jazz do: Carry three point guards for the past two decades.
What the Jazz are saying: They are going to carry three point guards as usual, and Maynor will have a great opportunity to learn behind Deron Williams and Ronnie Price.
What several local sports talk yahoos are saying: The Jazz are only going to keep two point guards and this pick means Ronnie Price is gone.
Do these guys realize what making such statements does to their reps? I hear a few obviously wrong comments like these and I just quit listening. If they are completely wrong about something this easy, how can I take seriously their other comments?
What the Jazz are saying: They are going to carry three point guards as usual, and Maynor will have a great opportunity to learn behind Deron Williams and Ronnie Price.
What several local sports talk yahoos are saying: The Jazz are only going to keep two point guards and this pick means Ronnie Price is gone.
Do these guys realize what making such statements does to their reps? I hear a few obviously wrong comments like these and I just quit listening. If they are completely wrong about something this easy, how can I take seriously their other comments?
East Coast Fan | 2:03 p.m. June 26, 2009
Good heavens Jazz fans. Do your homework before you comment. We had a heckuva
draft. Well done on Maynor KOC. I too am more worried about the Jazz fans than
I am about the pick. Blair is an under-developed Paul Millsap with no ACLs.
Why did we want him again? Read what others are saying about this pick.
Let's stay healthy and see what we can do.
Oregon Jazz Fan! | 2:04 p.m. June 26, 2009
Despite all of that has been written, the Jazz will continue to make the
playoffs but will NEVER be a championship team, EVER! What needs to change?
Get a solid center (Jazz have never, ever had a solid center). And Sloan needs
to go! No matter how good our players Sloan is no Phil Jackson, never has and
never will and Sloan doesn't have the true apptitude to coach a
championship team. Last year the Jazz (& Sloan) had 3 Olympic Team players
(Boozer, Williams, Kirilenko) and still can't get past the first round in
the playoffs. Pathetic! Oh and Sloan has coached the Jazz for 20+ years and
still NOT ONE championship, how many has Phil Jackson attained in that same time
span? Bottom Line: Get a solid center, keep the players we have and get a
coach who wants to win a championship and knows how to do it, then the Jazz will
become the franchise of champions!!!
The Jazz need the second | 2:09 p.m. June 26, 2009
coming of Malone. He set the tone on offense and defense for the Jazz. Boozer is
a finesse player who does not play defense. That sets the tone for the rest of
the team.
Sloan designs to much of the offense for Boozer which makes the situation worse. The Jazz need a more balanced attack. The also need player changes.
Boozer is a great offensive player. However, the Boozer/Okur experiment will not take the Jazz to the next level. It can't be fine tuned.
There needs to be a change in team character and coaching strategy.
I tend to agree with Todd. The Jazz need to start planning and shaping the roster for when Sloan is gone. A new system will require different players with a different set of skills.
The Jazz players at the moment are either over paid or have major weaknesses in each of their games. Those problems need to be addressed.
More than anything there needs to be a change in the team culture to one of winning on the road and hard nosed defense. That can happen before Sloan leave if KOC and Miller make it happen.
Sloan designs to much of the offense for Boozer which makes the situation worse. The Jazz need a more balanced attack. The also need player changes.
Boozer is a great offensive player. However, the Boozer/Okur experiment will not take the Jazz to the next level. It can't be fine tuned.
There needs to be a change in team character and coaching strategy.
I tend to agree with Todd. The Jazz need to start planning and shaping the roster for when Sloan is gone. A new system will require different players with a different set of skills.
The Jazz players at the moment are either over paid or have major weaknesses in each of their games. Those problems need to be addressed.
More than anything there needs to be a change in the team culture to one of winning on the road and hard nosed defense. That can happen before Sloan leave if KOC and Miller make it happen.
Stud! | 3:49 p.m. June 26, 2009
Go youtube Eric Manyor and watch the Last 2 Minutes of the CAA Tourney against
George Mason he will help the Jazz! I love the pick
Play our youngsters! | 3:58 p.m. June 26, 2009
Play Koufus at back PF/C. Play Maynor as backup PG. Re-sign Almond have him play
back-up Sg. We need to start mixing up our lineup with new energy players that
want to prove something.
buncha geniuses | 4:09 p.m. June 26, 2009
the jazz went down to LA because they could not make use of the middle due to
lakers guards cheating off the non shooters. So Price can shift over where he
truly belongs...2 guard, and back up the point when necessary. It is so easy to
conduct an armchair draft...but a lot of "sure things" are watching
from the same chair as me, while some "stupid choices" are playing out
brilliant careers. The big issue is clearing up all the confusion with the bigs
and finding an FA or two.
Baaaaad Comments | 4:37 p.m. June 26, 2009
There are some seriously bad opinions being posted on this story. These must be
the Cougar Jazz fans.
@Miles | 4:37 p.m. June 26, 2009
We don't hate CJ. We want him to live up to his potential.
We also know that can't happen totally until Sloan(actually Johnson) starts creating some plays for him.
CJ needs to improve his rebounding and get into the mix more. He also needs to improve defense. I don't care if he starts as long as he plays well. He has the potential but it is not happening.
We also know that can't happen totally until Sloan(actually Johnson) starts creating some plays for him.
CJ needs to improve his rebounding and get into the mix more. He also needs to improve defense. I don't care if he starts as long as he plays well. He has the potential but it is not happening.
@Sports | 4:46 p.m. June 26, 2009
The rumor is that Price is mad at Sloan for playing Knight all season. Further,
he wants 5+ mill to sign with the Jazz.
That might be why Sloan is making nice and claiming to have made a mistake.
To me Price is spare parts. He is not central to the Jazz. He is replaceable. He ran the team poorly early in the year. He is okay for short periods and sometimes shoots well. When he shoots well he also plays PG well. He is undersized for a SG.
The Jazz can do better than Price and especially for 5 mill. I don't care if Sloan loves him. He is easily replaceable and we need a SG who can shoot and defend reliably.
That might be why Sloan is making nice and claiming to have made a mistake.
To me Price is spare parts. He is not central to the Jazz. He is replaceable. He ran the team poorly early in the year. He is okay for short periods and sometimes shoots well. When he shoots well he also plays PG well. He is undersized for a SG.
The Jazz can do better than Price and especially for 5 mill. I don't care if Sloan loves him. He is easily replaceable and we need a SG who can shoot and defend reliably.
@Oregon&buncha | 4:55 p.m. June 26, 2009
The reason the Jazz have 3 Okur clones is Sloan and his approach to his system.
That is by design. I am beginning to beleive that the Sloan system (at least run
by Sloan) can not produce a championship.
It is capable of getting into the playoffs (with 3 Olympic players, 4 if you count Okur and 5 if you count Koufos on their national teams) on a regular basis, but it gets overwhelmed in the playoffs. It is designed around Boozer and Boozer can't beat SA or LA or a lot of good teams in a 7 game series.
Utah has few outside shooters by design. Okur and Korver have special plays. Brewer is designed to be a slasher. The Lakers (all teams) can cheat on the outside shooting because Sloan does not believe in doing any more outside shooting than he has to. Further, he does not draft and will not play outside shooters.
His offense is designed to pass until he can get an inside shot or run out of time and take a desparation fling.
Get a different coach and balance the offense and you might win more games. His defensive strategy is also flawed.
It is capable of getting into the playoffs (with 3 Olympic players, 4 if you count Okur and 5 if you count Koufos on their national teams) on a regular basis, but it gets overwhelmed in the playoffs. It is designed around Boozer and Boozer can't beat SA or LA or a lot of good teams in a 7 game series.
Utah has few outside shooters by design. Okur and Korver have special plays. Brewer is designed to be a slasher. The Lakers (all teams) can cheat on the outside shooting because Sloan does not believe in doing any more outside shooting than he has to. Further, he does not draft and will not play outside shooters.
His offense is designed to pass until he can get an inside shot or run out of time and take a desparation fling.
Get a different coach and balance the offense and you might win more games. His defensive strategy is also flawed.
Anonymous | 5:02 p.m. June 26, 2009
I heard Memo Okur opts out - Jazz let him go
If Boozer does not opt out - Trade him for Kwame Brown - who comes off the books next year.
This allows only eats 8 million of their 22 million cap so they can go after a couple other free agents (Gordon).
RESIGN MILLSAP
The Jazz offer Korver and Miles to LA Clippers for Camby. This give them a shooter and a slasher and opens time for Griffen to play.
Trade Harpring and resign Collins to a 3 million deal with only .5 million is guarenteed and trade them both to Golden State for Magette. GS is trying to cut salaries. Both contract expire and it save him 2.5 million. It's writing Collins a half a million dollar check to do nothing - he won't play.
Offer mid level exception to the following players
Artest
Ariza (restricted)
David Lee (restricted)
Williams/Maynor/Price -15million
Magette/Brewer - 11million
AK/Artest - 23million
Millsap/Koufas/Suton - 9
Camby/Brown/Fess -12million
70 million under the cap.
If Boozer does not opt out - Trade him for Kwame Brown - who comes off the books next year.
This allows only eats 8 million of their 22 million cap so they can go after a couple other free agents (Gordon).
RESIGN MILLSAP
The Jazz offer Korver and Miles to LA Clippers for Camby. This give them a shooter and a slasher and opens time for Griffen to play.
Trade Harpring and resign Collins to a 3 million deal with only .5 million is guarenteed and trade them both to Golden State for Magette. GS is trying to cut salaries. Both contract expire and it save him 2.5 million. It's writing Collins a half a million dollar check to do nothing - he won't play.
Offer mid level exception to the following players
Artest
Ariza (restricted)
David Lee (restricted)
Williams/Maynor/Price -15million
Magette/Brewer - 11million
AK/Artest - 23million
Millsap/Koufas/Suton - 9
Camby/Brown/Fess -12million
70 million under the cap.
Brevin Knight is the | 5:10 p.m. June 26, 2009
epitomy of the Jazz offense. He can pass but he can't shoot. The Jazz live
and die on thier inside game. Go to 82games and look at the stats. You beat the
Jazz inside.
Pack the Paint, Jam the Lane and you can beat the Jazz most of the time. It does not take great strategy or great talent. Less than average teams beat the Jazz with regularity on the road.
Sloan has known this is a big weakness of his approach for years. He has never adjusted it. There are reasons why he has no ring. His approach to the game is flawed.
Do you think Phil would have X titles if he did not learn from his mistakes?
Why do you think the players turn it on and off. Why bust your end for 48 minutes if the approach is flawed. Stay close and turn it on at the end. You get paid the same and Sloan is not going to trade you as long as you do it his way.
There are coaches who could take the Sloan system and open it up and win. If you have an inside and an outside game you win.
Pack the Paint, Jam the Lane and you can beat the Jazz most of the time. It does not take great strategy or great talent. Less than average teams beat the Jazz with regularity on the road.
Sloan has known this is a big weakness of his approach for years. He has never adjusted it. There are reasons why he has no ring. His approach to the game is flawed.
Do you think Phil would have X titles if he did not learn from his mistakes?
Why do you think the players turn it on and off. Why bust your end for 48 minutes if the approach is flawed. Stay close and turn it on at the end. You get paid the same and Sloan is not going to trade you as long as you do it his way.
There are coaches who could take the Sloan system and open it up and win. If you have an inside and an outside game you win.
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Blair is a poor mans Millsap and the Jazz already have Millsap. There was absolutely no Centers to draft. The young wing players with potential (Clark, Johnson) were gone. Balis said he can really play right away. Ford had him as the top 12 prospect in the draft. Simmons said he was one of his favorite players.