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Obsess much? | 12:15 a.m. June 26, 2009

Wow ... I can't imagine that the Founding Fathers had much to say about the auto industry, since cars didn't come along until much later. Take a chill pill. It's going to take more than a few months to undo the untold damage to the U.S. that Bush inflicted over the past eight years.

Sue | 12:41 a.m. June 26, 2009

Don't we need green cars, isn't it in everyones best interest? We all have bosses that tell us what to do everyday. Let's be fair here, President Obama is handling one of the worst economic crisis we have had if not the worst. I applaude him for getting the right things done at no one's expense and nearly everyone's benefit. The auto makers should have been on top of this years ago. Remember they didn't want to give up their private jets or make financial concessions, they just got a little encouragement.

Indiana | 4:34 a.m. June 26, 2009

you are so right on all counts Frederick... too bad America was so stupid as to buy into the "change" mantra imposed on them by the antry, hateful left. The price was way too high and apparently going to go higher!

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AndyDad | 4:57 a.m. June 26, 2009

When you say the founding fathers sought equality with the Declaration of Independence. . .did that include their slaves? No? Oh. . so you are lying then.

When you are saying the president ORDERED the car industry to change. . .how did he go about doing this? Pressure that they so richly need? Well that isn't ordering. A president can't "order" the car industry to do that. So you lied again.

So why should anyone believe your silly opinions? I have a feeling you are still hurting that your "team" lost so bad in November. Poor sweetie.

2012 | 5:05 a.m. June 26, 2009

One and done, door closed and a lot of Americans will right the ship Left or Right, even those that voted for the guy are starting to see the holes in his agenda. Stay tuned!

I'm PROUD | 5:18 a.m. June 26, 2009

President Obama makes this American PROUD once more. The arrogant thieves of Bushco are GONE! There is hope for our country despite people like red-ranters who entertain us with their letters to DES NEWS.

Oh brother... | 5:39 a.m. June 26, 2009

Mr. Anderson,

We get it that you don't like President Obama. Many Utahns don't. OK, fine, you're entitled to your opinion.

The fact remains that the "door" that the majority of American voters showed Mr. Obama was the door leading into the White House. Deal with that fact.

It's called democracy.

I think he's doing a fine job as President.

to the letter writer | 6:14 a.m. June 26, 2009

Someone clearly hates America but I am not sure its Obama. Why so much hate and anger towards our fairly elected president or democratic voting process and the majority of Americans who voted for him?

michaelh | 6:26 a.m. June 26, 2009

Amen, amen and amen.
He violates his oath of office nearly every minute. What has the Obama administration done that is constitutional? All the Czars? The seizing of the banks, manufacturing, financial take over, medicine, firing CEO's , setting pay and bonuses? Where in the constitution is he given this power? I can show you the articles that make what he has done and is doing ILLEGAL. Is this the CHANGE you voted for Democrats? Power to the dictator? You really want this? He is starving out the Californian farmers just like the Kulak's were starved out of their farms in Russia. When are you going to wake up? Look at Iran see how hard it is to get your freedom back once it is lost?

evolutionfish | 6:30 a.m. June 26, 2009

Paranoid much?

orders from headquarters | 6:45 a.m. June 26, 2009

"President Obama "ordered" the car industry to make green cars. The Founding Fathers called this tyranny."

Then what the [blank] would you call "ordering" an illegal, immoral and unwinnable war?
Neocons have clearly lost their minds.

Out there | 7:24 a.m. June 26, 2009

Qualities like leadership and oratory skills are certainly to be seen as alien in Utah. Put the tinfoil hat back on, they're coming to get you!

Anonymous | 7:27 a.m. June 26, 2009

It's too bad that Frederick does not buy into the whole democracy thing. There was an election. The President won overwhelmingly. Frederick will have his chance to vote for or against the President in 2012. Then America will choose again. Frederick, that is democracy, the system we have. Your hatred is palpable, evidenced by this letter and the others you have written. You might want to reign it in, because, like it or not, the President is in office and will remain so. Instead of viciously attacking, why don't you affirmatively promote your own candidate for the next election. And explain why instead of calling names and making completely false statements. Tyr it sometime. Maybe you could actually study about our system of government, too.

stevo | 7:32 a.m. June 26, 2009

Yo Fredrick, move along Rush will be on in a couple of hours!

Voting people to death is okay | 7:34 a.m. June 26, 2009

Re: orders from headquarters

"Then what the [blank] would you call "ordering" an illegal, immoral and unwinnable war?"

That's different. Ordering other people's children to fight and die in a preemptive war against another country which did not attack us is fine but ordering a business to do something or not get any government help is a horrible thing.

"Neocons have clearly lost their minds."

Once you realize that they are always right and that they can vote on who lives and dies then everything will be fine. Also, make sure you don't go anywhere near their money. That's off limits but they will tax us to their hearts delight and use our taxes to advance their own interest and in the process they may even make sure a few thousand of us die in wars of aggression so they have a higher chance of winning an election the next time they vote.

To sum up their position in one word: ME

If it doesn't have to do with them then it doesn't matter but if it benefits them it is good and if a few thousand people die so be it.

Dear Mr. Anderson | 7:42 a.m. June 26, 2009

Ahhhh. The shoe is on the other foot now. Had we only been able to show Pres. Bush-league the door so early in his tenure.....
We would have hundreds of trillions of extra dollars not frittered away on lies, un-needed wars, and lining the pockets of his fat-cat Repub cronies.
Sorry pal. Grin and bear it.
Mike

to: orders from headquarters | 7:49 a.m. June 26, 2009

I am beginning to think it is the democrats who have no minds. Falling at the feet of Obama and worshipping his every word and deed. At least try and be objective.

I for one was very unhappy with President Bush and I am a conservative. Just because Obama is different does not make him better. He will destroy your freedoms and you are kissing his feet as he does it.

Grover | 7:54 a.m. June 26, 2009

Why is it that whenever a DNews letter mentions "the founding fathers", I feel the need to turn the page? I am sure the founders were nice guys and all, but they were after all politicians and divided fiercely into partisan camps at that. This letter trying to connect the fathers, the auto bailout and the President takes the cake. Next.

Just give them a tax cut | 7:59 a.m. June 26, 2009

If we just gave this letter writer and everyone else a tax cut, we'd all be happy! That's the GOP way!

Go Bristol Palin! You go girl!

Gordon | 8:11 a.m. June 26, 2009

To Paranoid Far Right Wingers: Attention! Attention! President Obama gets to tell the US auto industry what to do, because our representatives voted Detroit a fat bailout, for which in return we the people now own a majority of GM! For too long Detroit as dragged it corporate tail trying to keep change from happening. Now it will! The Founding Fathers never wrote anything about Detroit because they could not have conceived for such an industry. They mostly embraced Tom Jefferson's idyllic social construct of a nation of independent, self sufficient farmers. Michael: I don't think you can compare the giant agribusinesses and millionaire farmers of California's central valleys with the Kulaks. The kulaks were peasants, the subsidies these California agri-giants receive put them in the regal class. Had Bush and Cheney not engineered this economic crisis with weak bank regulation and wasted money on war in the Iraq, President Obama and Congress would not be taking such historically significant actions in the first place. I love your myopic view of the situation. It makes me laugh! Please see a good optometrist, it make you feel better when you can view reality without your distortions.

Grimble | 8:18 a.m. June 26, 2009

Another incoherent unhinged rightwinger drunk on the wine from sour grapes.

ds | 8:18 a.m. June 26, 2009

Obama was elected by the America. How were you going to "show him the door"?

Bucky Jay | 8:32 a.m. June 26, 2009

Bush good, Obama bad... Corporations good, government bad... America good, the rest of the world bad... Conservatives good, liberals bad...

A pathetic and predictable discourse, as usual.

How to show him the door | 8:38 a.m. June 26, 2009

There are various reasonable and decent methods of showing the door to elected officials:

You wait 'til the next election and elect someone else.

You impeach for some sufficient reason. The Senate must be prevailed upon to initiate these proceedings, and must prevail.

Other ways to, symbolically at least, "show him the door" would be through a majority of the Congress opposing one or more of his desired goals. This may be because he exceeds their own limits, or because the Congress actually disagrees with some key aspect of his agenda, or responds to a public outcry against some program or law promoted by the President.

BY | 8:44 a.m. June 26, 2009

I wish the DesNews would publish more substantive letters as opposed to those that just engage in ad hominem nonsense. What basis does the writer have for saying that Obama "disdains America and everything it stands for" or is not "dedicated to freedom and equality"? It's one thing to disagree with the specific policies of the President, but to assert--without basis whatsoever--that he is actively anti-American and deliberately wants to "punish America" is ridiculous and does not deserve to be published. Save the space for someone who at least criticizes a policy or voices their disagreement in substantive terms.

Bosox | 8:52 a.m. June 26, 2009

The US Constitution is a very important and necessary document for our country. But there is absolutely no way that this one document could have or should reflect every possible issue, event or problem that this country has and will face. The constitution is not a holy writ but it was a dang good start.
So michaelh stop trying to tell us that this one document is all we should live by. And if I remember correctly I believe we have had a Utah republican czar or two.
Democrats were not the only voters that put Obama into the White House. Stop being so one-sided. Our country did not get into this financial crisis in six months nor will we get out of it in six months. Give this administration as least a chance.

neocons don't care | 9:05 a.m. June 26, 2009

It is pathetic to see the modern American conservative movement willingly slipping further into the slime and muck each day.

They either don't know how Rush Limbaughish they come across, or they simply don't care.

DBG | 9:06 a.m. June 26, 2009

@michaelh: Sorry pal, that's incorrect. This all started under Bush's watch. Congress passed TARP which gave authority to "seize" these entities. You are blaming the wrong person.

To: Sue | 9:10 a.m. June 26, 2009

"President Obama is handling one of the worst economic crisis" There is the problem. HE should not be handling this WE should! The less the government does the better off we will be.

CB | 9:20 a.m. June 26, 2009

Too bad a course on Jimmy Carter wasn't taught in the schools, then there would be more understanding of what is taking place, and the end results. It's all been done before. We've had the 'green cars' before, they just didn't call them 'green'. Datsun, Toyota, etc. etc. We had a little french one that you could push off the ferry when it refused to start. Death traps on the highway.
"Green buildings" too. Chapels without windows, shorten windows in others. Gas saving 55 miles an hour on the freeways. Been there, done it, and had to suffer through it. Too bad we have to repeat this kind of history. It's like the ad on the radio of the mom trying to tell a teen the dangers of drinking, they just keep repeating, "I Know, I Know." Well you Obama sycophants, prepare to learn.

AB | 9:22 a.m. June 26, 2009

I have to laugh at Libdumbs saying Bush made his friends rich. How ironic. Do any of you Kool Aid drinking lefty's realize that the auto unions are the cause for the decline of the American auto industry? When the average worker earns over 60K per year to stand in a line an place knobs on a dashboard, and then wont concede when they are about to lose their industry, and Obamas answer is to throw more money at them, he is pandering to his buddies and voting bloc, rather than show some cajones and force them to either cut some salaries and perks or go belly up. So now the American tax payer gets soaked for keeping his people fat and happy. Wake up Libdumbs! Obama is no better than your nemesis Bush, in fact he is worse for this country becuase of his irresponsible fiscal blowout that we cannot possibly hope to support!

RedShirt | 9:28 a.m. June 26, 2009

To "DBG | 9:06 a.m." did it really start under Bush, or was it Clinton, or Carter, or Nixon, or FDR, or Teddy Rosevelt. They all planted the seeds for what we are now seeing.

From the creation of the Federal Reserve, to having the Federal Government become a bank that loans money to people who didn't qualify, to pushing those loans.

The point is, if you follow the breadcrumbs back far enough you will find that it is government policies that have created the mess we are in. Now, do we trust the people who create the problems to solve them?

Gus Talwynd | 9:30 a.m. June 26, 2009

Not only that, but Obama sometimes doesn't coordinate his clothes particularly well and comes off as a "less than" snappy dresser. Granted his style still is far superior to many, but there are times where his tie is a bit askew indicating that he doesn't belong in the White House. It is really his way of secretly signaling to the socialists that he is one of them.

When he smiles, the sides of his mouth are turned up a slightly in a snear, indicating the contempt he holds American people. He doesn't smile like that when he talks to his dictator friends.

It is doubtful that he brushes his teeth with a non-fluoridated tooth paste. Like any com-symp-lover, his use of toothpaste containing flouride (and probably tooth whitners to boot!) confirms, in no uncertain terms, that he is really a foreign agent who will take American down.

We are in are last days being a free nation with this charlatan in office. This arugula-eating, America-hating fraud even has been know to pronounce the word "To-MA-toe" in contradiction of real, freedom-loving Americans. Talk about arrogance. He takes the cake!

KM | 9:30 a.m. June 26, 2009

Its not a matter of "you are sore loosers" or "give him time to fix the mess." No more excuses! Bush was a fool for leaning left on fiscal matters, especially when the leftist congress was there to push our economy over the edge. Where was the veto pen? I guess Bush, who was so hated by libs, was really a lib himself. But you have to hate somebody.
Lets see, Obama has increased the debt by a multiple of 4. He did this in 6 months and he is not even started. What does this say about the world our children will grow up in. We trust Obama to make sure the most innocent among us are executed, ( the unborn ). and now we trust this benevolent King to be compassionate with our health care and our economy? Nice!

CEO's in charge | 9:33 a.m. June 26, 2009

The last 8 years the country was run into the ground with tax breaks for the mega-rich, incentives to move businesses overseas, disappearance of anti-trust laws ... a CEO's dream come true (at the expense of the rest of us).

And the neocons STILL think all of this is just swell.

LOL!

Gitmo | 9:34 a.m. June 26, 2009

I see no reason to close the facility in Cuba. The letter writer belongs there.

Oh Please | 9:37 a.m. June 26, 2009

I said a prayer for Obama this morning that he would be guided and inspired in helping our nation. And that he would be able to stay clear of the hatred of people like this letter-writer who are motivating the unbalanced among us to shoot people they don't agree with.

Replacements | 9:39 a.m. June 26, 2009

OK. Which Republican should we replace Obama with?
A) The one that had an afair in Argentina?
B) The one that had an affair with a staffer?
C) The one that solicites sex in the men's room?
D) The one that allowed her daughter's boyfried
to sleep over and get her pregnant?

A Question..... | 9:44 a.m. June 26, 2009

Why when President Bush was in office was it OK to criticize, call him names, etc? Now that Mr. Obama is in office the Left demands that he be respected and allowed to do his job. Hypocrisy?

THEeyepatch | 9:55 a.m. June 26, 2009

Let's not think what the "Founding Fathers" opinion would be today. Let's focus on the problems at hand. I didn't vote for Obama, but we should give him a chance to get "His" plan in motion. It's way to early to show him the door. Their have been Presidents that abused their power and are revered today. Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, W, come to mind.

Publius | 10:04 a.m. June 26, 2009

This is one of the stupidest letters that the DN has printed in a long time. This guy certainly hasn't been listening to Obama -- or anyone else for that matter. He's obviously isolated in his own paranoid hate-filled little world.

Obama has turned out to be remarkably centrist and is certainly devoted to the best in the American tradition. For heaven's sake -- just listen to the themes he keeps emphasizing.

Fred-- get a grip, or get lost.

re: to the letter writer | 10:04 a.m. June 26, 2009

why is it that every time someone has an opinion that is against obama it is discarded as hate? this is the only reason he won the election everyone kept using the hate card. if you don't vote for him, you are a racist. i am sick and tired of this stupid, ignorant and uneducated baseless argument. let's look at this another way. in many states obama won over 90% of the african american vote. should we start calling blacks racist for not voting for mccain? racism works both ways, not just whites towrds blacks. so if your going to play the hate card, i call your bluff. the racism in the elction was directed towards whites. as for obama himself, i a proud to live in a country with the freedom we enjoy despite my disappointment in the people's wisdom in this matter. no more bush bashing. the mistakes obama are m aking are his own and as has been pointed out, more and more people are starting to realise it.

RedShirt | 10:19 a.m. June 26, 2009

To "Replacements | 9:39 a.m." lets see if the Democrats have had any better in recent history.

We have the community organizer that used discrimination laws to sue banks to either make the bank leave that area or else give out bad loans, contributing to the current crisis.

We have the canidate that got his purple hearts as quickly as he could in Vietnam for minor injuries that most soldiers just brushed off.

We had the canidate that has positioned himself to make billions of dollars off of global warming.

We have the ex-president that was disbarred in his home state with a sex addiction.

Then there is the former KKK member.

The VP canidate that had an affair (which produced a child) with a campain staffer, and made his fortune suing Doctors and winning using junk science.

How about the guy that was in charge of writing tax codes that couldn't pay the proper amount of taxes.

The point is that if you want to say that there is nothing good in the Republican Party, look at what the Democrat Party is filled with first.

Granted, I am probably more inclined to vote libertarian now than_I_was_before.

Gordon | 10:20 a.m. June 26, 2009

You perpetuate the myth that NY Time Financial analyst, Andrew Ross Sorkin, first wrote about in that auto workers making $70 an hour. Media Matters for America reports that the $70 figure includes" health care, the projected cost of future benefits but also benefits paid to current retirees." Strange that none of you right wing "I -am- a- real- American" types ever mention that GM executives are paid obscene salary and benefit packages for companies that fail to perform. Who is the real culprit? The CEO of GM, G. Richard Wagoner, made $24 million in each of the last two years while running the company into the ground, and go a 33% increase in his base salary for this year. Alan Mulally i of Ford made $21.4 million plus $750,000 in family travel. Chrysler would not disclose Robert Mardelli's salary which is surely in the same range. The average GM worker makes about $28 an hour and as Felix Salmon writes " I can assure you that GM is not paying $42 an hour in health insurance and pension plan contributions." Even less with the shift of health care to UAW trust funds. Let the truth beknown.

Gordon | 10:27 a.m. June 26, 2009

Gus: You told me so many new and important things about Obama. Things that certainly make me agree with you! After reading your letter I put my house up for sale on craigslist, shifted what little investments I have left into gold and purchased tickets to a stable off shore Caribbean state to live. By the way, is that cake chocolate?

Hear Hear! | 10:31 a.m. June 26, 2009

Obama should be shown the door, along with Reid, Pelosi and all of the hating liberals now in charge. Let's hope more of us wake up before Fuhrer Obama and his hacks destroy our country beyond repair.

Hmm... | 10:39 a.m. June 26, 2009

Frederick Anderson sounds like an angry man too.

to: re: to the letter writer | 10:40 a.m. June 26, 2009

Gallup results from the 2008 election show that Republicans lost votes in all demographics. Notably, college-graduates, Midwesterners, 18-29 yr olds, and moderates. Since a lower percentage of blacks support the Republican Party in general, the fact that some blacks switched support from Republican to Democratic was not as signficant as other demographic groups.

Obama will be the first one to accept responsibility for mistakes. But one can't ignore the fact that the condition of the country he assumed responsibility for was far different than the one Bush assumed responsibility of. Only a fool expects a 6 mon turnaround.

door is open | 10:49 a.m. June 26, 2009

"Show Obama the door"

The modern American conservative movement has made sure the DOOR (to the White House) was wide open.
Thanks to the monstrosity of the last 8 years.

And as GOP guy Colin Powell wisely pointed out, that door will again be open in 2012 as the world sees how awful the conservative movement is and reject them even more thoroughly than in 2006 and 2008.

Thank God!

Anonymous | 10:57 a.m. June 26, 2009

Conservative economics like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act created Enron and the recession. It was Phil Gram.

Once conservatives dis a great job passing the blame for Nixon's recession on Carter and their "Arkansas Project" even had Limbaugh's listeners believing the Clinton's murdered Vince Foster.

Today conservative liars are trying to stick Obama with their depression. They know their willing idiots well. Play on hate. Come up with stupid stories about birth certificates. Name calling works. Conservatives, like school children, love to name call. Play race:"the first affirmative action president."

If he's articulate call him an elitist. If Obama is popular call him a messiah. Call the willingness to talk being weak. What if Mormons had just talked at Mountain Meadows first?

Fairness is bad. Being intelligent is suspect. Evil can and does distort good to be bad and strives to morph bad to like good.

Once Mormons encouraged intelligence, education and you were taught to be elite at whatever to did in your life.

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