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Mike Sorensen: It's fun but too early for BYU fans to celebrate

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Lesson not learned.... | 10:44 a.m. June 9, 2009

Lets see, Bronco proclaims the Cougars the BCS Busters and puts themselves on a "Quest For Perfection," only to lead to a huge disappointment of a season mired by embarrassing losses to TCU, Utah and Arizona. He then makes the comment a month ago that the "Quest" made his team play tighter and not as effective.

So how does he solve this issue? He lets a HS JUNIOR hold a press conference and talk about winning MULTIPLE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!

His team couldn't handle the self-made pressure of getting to the BCS, so now he lets a recruit proclaim about winning NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Even young children can learn from their mistakes. Guess Bronco skipped over that stage in his development.

Agreeing ProudRedUtahAlum | 10:47 a.m. June 9, 2009

RE: Just a request for fairness | 10:02 a.m. June 9, 2009
"You never hear Ute fans claim that their good recruiting class is going to bring them a NC."
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I agree completely. Last time I checked, quality 'teams' and 'coaches' bring championships, not high school junior recruits.

Huh? | 11:23 a.m. June 9, 2009

You think he is LDS? Isn't the reporter's job to find that information out and provide to the reader rather than speculate?

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blue psycho | 11:29 a.m. June 9, 2009

re: Troubled Ute Fans

Please note it was Heaps himself that said he wanted to bring a national championship to Provo. Sorry if this bothers you or gives you a headache. Don't blame BYU's fans for this "atrocity." I doubt anyone from the MWC will ever win a national championship under the current BCS format. (Ute fans are full aware of the unfairness) You guys would be excited too if Heaps would have committed to be a Ute. He's 17 and probably said a few things he shouldn't have. You can always hope he'll transfer to UCLA.

BCS Scoreboard | 11:48 a.m. June 9, 2009

Utah 2
BYU 0

Go to a BCS game first Heaps.

The Quest continues.

NC Scoreboard | 12:04 p.m. June 9, 2009

BYU 1
Utah 0

BCS games are just bowl games. Unless you win the NC, they don't matter.

Keep your quest going, while BYU looks for another NC.

Ref: Lesson not learned | 12:07 p.m. June 9, 2009

I don't think Bronco "let" his HS junior hold a press conference. I would say that Bronco had nothing to do with it at all. So much for your flawed comment. But hey that's what I expect from a utie.

CougarKeith | 12:08 p.m. June 9, 2009

I guess I can give myself some stars!!! Ryan Perrilloux was on the verge of GREATNESS until he was thrown out of school at LSU for being a delinquent, so much for LSU's national championship last year! Jonathan Crompton just lacked the confidence he needed at Tennessee when you get yanked and screamed at rather than taught and given a chance to learn from experience. He had a bad experience at Tennessee last season. I have heard of one or two others who will play THIS YEAR, it's called working your way through the SYSTEM! Way to be so pessimistic my good reporter! If you think this kid is going to walk in and start as a freshman you have HIGH HOPES! If you think he is the next National Champion for BYU you are dreaming, if you think he gives us a Good Leader and skills at the position and the confidence to be put into the position to win a National Championship, then guess what, YOU ARE ON THE MARK! Nothing in Sports is Guaranteed, that's why they play the games!!! We have a bright future, and that is something to smile about!

REF: Just a request for fairnes | 12:09 p.m. June 9, 2009

Your "good recruiting class" shouldn't talk about NCs because good recruiting classes don't win NCs. Great recruiting classes do, like BYU's.

REF: Edward | 12:11 p.m. June 9, 2009

And you're still one NC behind the Cougars. Baby steps as well.

U is on top | 12:18 p.m. June 9, 2009

The U will stay on top of the Y in athletics for the foreseeable future. U football is just better than Y football top to bottom and that won't change any time soon. The U has national recognition and the Y doesn't in football and I doubt the Y will ever get a BCS bowl bid let alone win one. The U has two under their belt. BYU can't recruit like the U can so just get used to losing Y fans.

Excited Ute | 12:36 p.m. June 9, 2009

I am excited about our program not because the new recruits hypothetically leading us to a National Championship but in the last 5 years 2 BCS wins and 2 undefeated seasons.

I am excited about future of our program not because some 17 year old is talking about a NC in a over hyped press conference on our rivals home turf (rather then somewhere in Provo) but because our weakest coach Ludwig has left the program.

I am excited not because 3 2010 recruits will lead us to a championship in 2013 but the fact that we actually beat ranked teams in the last 10 years and not just beat up a weak MWC to go 11-2 in the quest for the Vegas Bowl.

I am excited about the Utes future because what is happening on the field not in the media or Bronco's head (aka Quest for Perfection).

ProudRedUtahAlum | 12:46 p.m. June 9, 2009

NC Scoreboard | 12:04 p.m. June 9, 2009
BYU 1
Utah 0
BCS games are just bowl games. Unless you win the NC, they don't matter.
Keep your quest going, while BYU looks for another NC.
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I must agree with you. BYU does play in ALL bowl games like they don't matter. You can LOOK all you want for another NC, but you won't find it. Using the same rules that got BYU their championship in 1984, Utah should have been crowned for 2008. You guys sound like a drunk aging rock singer that was a "one hit wonder" and has to remind every of his cool, single song back in the 80's. NOBODY CARES ANYMORE (outside of BYU)! I don't even think most BYU fans care if it means your team stinks now (you know, in the 21st century). So I guess maybe you should start caring about your bowl games, and maybe your OOC games against ranked teams as well.

U WAS on top | 12:51 p.m. June 9, 2009

Didn't you mean to say the U was on top? Since graduating half of their offense and losing key players on defense I find it hard to believe that they are going to stay on top this year. I still have yet to see Corbin Louks throw a pass in a game. We know the kid can run, but doesn't Utah already have running backs? What they need, desperately, is a QB. Another key reason why they will not stay on top this year... tough games on are the road...

@ Oregon = loss
@ TCU = loss
@ BYU = loss

National Champs | 12:58 p.m. June 9, 2009

Agreeing ProudRedUtahAlum | 10:47 a.m. June 9, 2009
I agree completely. Last time I checked, quality 'teams' and 'coaches' bring championships, not high school junior recruits.

Yet Ute high school junior recruits are winning BCS games while BYU title contenders are losing Vegas Bowl games against 5th place Pac-10 teams. Go figure!!

NC Scoreboard | 12:04 p.m. June 9, 2009
BCS games are just bowl games. Unless you win the NC, they don't matter.

So was the '84 Holiday Bowl, there was no national title game. The difference the judges gave you the NC and not the Utes.

BCS matters to me you can keep your annual Vegas Bowl game and your debatable '84 title. What the Utes did in 2008 is more impressive then any BYU team, Ball State's 2008 SOS was more difficult then then the '84 BYU them.

1984: Only undefeated team in the nation but had one of the weakest SOS and beat no ranked teams yet judges gave them the NC.

2008: Only undefeated team in the nation and beat 4 ranked teams including 2 in the top 10 yet were shut-out of the title game.

National Champ???? | 1:20 p.m. June 9, 2009

I love that Cougar fans continue to harp on something that happened before any current player on their roster was even born.

The 1984 Cougars did less in their season than the Utes from 04 or 08 did, yet due to the landscape and the lack of another undefeated team, they were the defacto winners of the polls. Congrats on the NC in 1984, when Ronald Reagan was President, but had the same scenario played out of the last 5 years Utah could have been given 2 NC's, and Boise State 1.

Georgia Tech and Colorado won shares of the NC more recently than BYU did. Yet when you listen to their fans they never mention it. Must just be a Provo thing. Let it go. It was a fluke, it was a great accomplishment, and it was 25 YEARS AGO.

Re: ProudRedUtahAlum | 12:46 p. | 1:24 p.m. June 9, 2009

So what NC Scoreboard | 12:04 p.m. is TRYING to say is exactly what you just mentioned in your post... and I quote, "NOBODY CARES ANYMORE". 25 years from now (amount of time since BYU won the NC), no one will care or even remember who got into BCS bowl games. As it stands, the BCS is only 10 years old and there are 84 teams that have played in BCS bowl, 4 of which are considered BCS busters. Now that there are 5 BCS games, in 25 more years a total of 334 teams will have played in BCS games, 14 being BCS busters (if the trend continues of 4 every 10 years). Now where is the uniqueness in that? I'd much rather say that my team is the ONLY non-BCS team to win a National Championship in the last 60 years!!!

re: U on Top | 1:28 p.m. June 9, 2009

It's funny that a Cougar fans points to the Utes losses as the reason they will struggle this year.

BYU lost:
Their entire O-Line.
The best WR in BYU history, and his counterpart who was a solid starter.
A very good fullback who will play in the NFL.

More importantly BYU has coming back:
MANY DEFENSIVE PLAYERS. Who were beaten down by UNLV, Washington and CSU. Not even mentioning what happeded against good teams.

Both teams will need to fill important holes. The U defense will still be very good. Best LB's in the conference by far. Great D-Line. Good O-Line. Good WR's and RB.

Louks will not be the starter, you won't need to worry about seeing him throw. Cain will start, he is very similar to Johnson, and Louks will again be the change-of-pace QB. He'll see more plays than last year, but will not be the starter or passing QB.

@Oklahoma = Another embarrassing blowout
FSU, TCU, Utah = Great, these games are at home. Except for the fact that we were humiliated last year against athletic teams. Lucky to get 1 of these Cougs.

ProudRedUtahAlum | 1:45 p.m. June 9, 2009

Re: ProudRedUtahAlum | 12:46 p. | 1:24 p.m. June 9, 2009
..25 years from now (amount of time since BYU won the NC), no one will care or even remember who got into BCS bowl games...
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This mentality is the difference between Utah and BYU. I never said that anyone would care about Utah's BCS victories in 25 years, and people probably won't. Utah will continue to do what it always does; play the game on the field, one game at a time, one season at a time. BYU will continue to fly off into never-never land, reliving their 1984 championship and looking ahead while worshiping a savior in the form of a high school junior quarterback, while being totally incapable of putting anything together today, on the field, one game at a time, one season at a time.

Utes are mistaken... | 1:48 p.m. June 9, 2009

Ute fans are terribly mistaken trying to compare Utah's 2004 or 2008 seasons to BYU's 1984 season. It has been said MANY times that the only reason BYU received the prestigious National Champion award is because they won practically 2 years straight! They had to win 23 straight games (something Utah has NEVER done) to finally convince the nation that they were the best team. The problem for the utes was not this year, as they definitely did everything they could. The reason why the utes did not get a National Championship this year...losses to teams like UNLV and Air Force the year before and a 9-4 finish. Had they finished 12-1 or 13-0 in '07 and started ranked in '08, I believe it would have been possible to play for a National title.

Very Sour Grapes | 1:56 p.m. June 9, 2009

RE: Proud Red Ute and National Champs

The Ute-Cougar rivalry will be strong for many years to come. Both schools will win games and lose games. Both schools have outstanding programs. Get used to it. You can rant and wale all you want. You're both setting yourselves up for disappointments with your bias. Your Utes should absolutely have had a chance to win a national championship several times, but it was denied them by the BCS. It isn't our fault. BYU won all its games in 84 and was voted the national champion by the only system available. Just because you hate BYU doesn't mean they didn't earn it.

Re: re: U on Top | 1:28 p.m. | 2:07 p.m. June 9, 2009

BYU losses that you mention are already filled with EXPERIENCED players: Manase Tonga to fill Vakapuna's position and McKay Jacobson to help fill the void of Collie. BYU returns many defensive players and adds some talent to the LB position (the key to BYU defensive success), so YOU won't need to worry about BYU's D being worse...you WILL need to worry about the D being much better!

BTW, thanks for proving my point about the utes not having a QB and will suffer on offense! Who is Cain? Can you tell me how many passes he has thrown in College Football?

No bribes | 2:09 p.m. June 9, 2009

It's great to see that BYU can get top notch recruits without offering bribes to coaches. After all, Whittingham tried to lure his own big name recruit from Timpview by dangling an assistant coaching job in front of the Thunderbirds' head coach to become an assistant coach at the U---if the recruit would become a Ute. It's great the recruit decided to go to UCLA to be coached by Norm Chow.

Ref: U is on top | 2:20 p.m. June 9, 2009

Your "national recognition" comment is so hopelessly laughable. That's why when the new Cowboy stadium was looking for a "national" matchup they chose the Cougars and not the uties.

Re: re:U is on top | 2:31 p.m. June 9, 2009

I think Oklahoma wanted a team they could beat. No way do they want to go home with a loss like Alabama did.

ProudRedUtahAlum | 2:34 p.m. June 9, 2009

Ref: U is on top | 2:20 p.m. June 9, 2009
Your "national recognition" comment is so hopelessly laughable. That's why when the new Cowboy stadium was looking for a "national" matchup they chose the Cougars and not the uties.
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Actually, since this is essentually a home game for Oklahoma, they wanted to get someone else who was sure to lose. With the Utes, it could go either way. I think they made a good choice.

@2:31 | 2:53 p.m. June 9, 2009

"Your 'national recognition' comment is so hopelessly laughable. That's why when the new Cowboy stadium was looking for a 'national' matchup they chose the Cougars..."

And SPEAKING of "hopelessly laughable", your performance on that Texas field, on national television no less, will provide ample yuks for millions of college football fans who ALREADY have NO RESPECT for the kewgs.

Ref: @2:31 | 3:04 p.m. June 9, 2009

At least we had enough of rep to get an invite. Obviously the "NO RESPECT" we have is more than the uties have.

Jealousy rears its | 3:07 p.m. June 9, 2009

ugly head whenever the Ute fans have to deal with the Y being invited to open the state of art new stadium in Dallas. It's ok to be the second most recognized program in the MWC Ute fans. Just try harder and maybe someday you'll have the national respect and recognition that the might Cougars have earned over the last three or four decades. You have done well for one decade, try to keep it going for a while longer.

re: 2:07 | 3:13 p.m. June 9, 2009

You're right. Losing Collie, best WR in your history, and Reid is no big deal. Replacing them with a return missionary who was average before he left, and a kid who talks a really good game but hasn't shown a whole lot yet (Chambers) will not leave any void at all.

Replacing 4 starters off your O-Line will not leave any void at all. Those "experienced" guys you mention were not better than the guys that graduated last year were they?

As for the defense, unless Brian Keil, and the Poppinga kids are re-enrolling, your secondary remains completely on their own, and everyone has seen how they handle that as UNLV, CSU and Washington receivers run wild.

Of course Utah's offense will not be as good losing a 5th year senior. Utah fans have a much clearer state of reality than Cougar fans do. But with the supporting cast, and the defensive personnel, the QB will need to manage, not win, games.

FYI - Cain threw about 300 passes last year at one of the best JC's in the country. That's 300 more than the BYU savior (Heap) has thrown.

National recognition = | 3:17 p.m. June 9, 2009

Getting paid $3,000,000 to be the punching bag for Oklahoma's title run kickoff party.

Yeah, they wanted the Cougars for their "national recognition" from being on ESPN last December and getting embarrassed by a mediocre Pac-10 team.

Not to mention the beatdowns from the Utes and
Frogs.

What they wanted was a guaranteed win and a chance for the BCS and ESPN to stick it to the non-BCS conferences after watching Utah destroy Alabama. I along with all of the BCS conferences and ESPN decision makers are fairly certain that BYU can help undo much of what Utah gained for the MWC last year. And probably by halftime.

Your state of reality is slightly covered in Aggie blue.

RE: 2:53 p.m | 3:23 p.m. June 9, 2009

"And SPEAKING of "hopelessly laughable""

September 22, 2007
UNLV 27
Utah 0

Now that's hopelessly laughable!!! HA HA!!!

Go Cougs!

PS: How does it feel that the last team to shut Utah out was UNLV?! OUCH!

talk is cheap | 3:44 p.m. June 9, 2009

Talk is cheap, utah does not have to proclaim national championships and other delirious unattainable and insecure claims that we have become so accustomed to from byu. Anybody can spout their mouth and if there was a competition for that, byu would be national champions. utah just does what they need to do and does it on the field.

Ref: ref 207 | 3:47 p.m. June 9, 2009

Once again jealousy shows up in a ute post. You guys would love to have Jacobsen and Chambers. You'd also love to have the three guys who committed last week, but you don't. So quit with the jealous diatribe that they aren't that good. You aren't good enough to get them and you didn't. Live with it.

Ref: National recognition | 3:49 p.m. June 9, 2009

Nice spin. If it makes you feel better to look at it that way, then go ahead. Everyone knows the truth, but obviously "you can't stand the truth"!!!

re: 3:13 p.m | 4:02 p.m. June 9, 2009

As I stated "McKay Jacobson will HELP fill the void of Collie." Never did i say that Mckay Jacobson will fill the void by himself and that Collie will not be missed. Mckay DOES have experience and has proved capable of playing at this level.

Let's be honest, the OL last year finished 8th in the MWC in sacks allowed. Not sure if I'm gonna be missing them too much. In fact I'm excited for a new OL!

BYU's Defense has much to prove yes, but so does Utah as they lost Kruger (arguably the best Defense player on that Ute team last year) and Smith (the best DB's on that team).

Cain threw 300 passes on a JC team huh? wow now I am convinced! THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!!! Tell me, Why compare Cain to a QB the Cougars just recruited, why not compare him to BYU's current, seasoned QB? I'll tell you why...because Max Hall is so much better and will make Cain or Louks or whoever is supposed to be the QB this year, look like they should still be on a JC team.

Re: 3:13 p.m. | 4:06 p.m. June 9, 2009

"Of course Utah's offense will not be as good losing a 5th year senior. Utah fans have a much clearer state of reality than Cougar fans do. But with the supporting cast, and the defensive personnel, the QB will need to manage, not win, games."

And Utah fans have a much clearer reality losing both Offensive and Defensive Coordinators, and losing your 2 best WR, your QB, 2 best defensive players, etc.

Yeah, a much clearer reality of a losing season yewts!

Go Cougs!

BYU Football: MWC 2009 Champions!

Embarrassed ProudRedUtahAlum | 4:07 p.m. June 9, 2009

RE: 2:53 p.m | 3:23 p.m. June 9, 2009
"And SPEAKING of "hopelessly laughable""
September 22, 2007
UNLV 27
Utah 0
Now that's hopelessly laughable!!! HA HA!!!
Go Cougs!
PS: How does it feel that the last team to shut Utah out was UNLV?! OUCH!
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Hey, you're right! You can use google. Good for you. The Utes did lose 27-0 that day. But Coach Whit took the guys in the locker room after the game and probably asked if they wanted to be 'real' football players or not. And if they don't, go play for BYU. Except for a freak pass at the end of the game in which BYU, AT HOME, barely pulled out a sloppy victory, the Utes are undefeated since the UNLV game. Whatever Coach Whit said must have made a BIG impression.

Jealous ProudRedUtahAlum | 4:36 p.m. June 9, 2009

Ref: ref 207 | 3:47 p.m. June 9, 2009
Once again jealousy shows up in a ute post. You guys would love to have Jacobsen and Chambers. You'd also love to have the three guys who committed last week, but you don't. So quit with the jealous diatribe that they aren't that good. You aren't good enough to get them and you didn't. Live with it.
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I don't know if any of the Ute posters on here said that these players aren't good or that the Utes wouldn't like to have them. But these recruits realized that if they played for Utah, they might have to wait a year or two to start due to Utah's deep talent in all positions. They probably figured with BYUs performance recently, they would get some playing time right away. If so, these kids sound pretty smart. Hopefully, with the additional academic prowess of these new recruits, BYU can bring their APR (Academic Progress Rate) up to the Ute's level (but I doubt it).

what gives? | 4:39 p.m. June 9, 2009

Landing the #1 high school QB in the country is anything but a bad thing? Can't we just be happy with the fact that we just landed 3 awesome recruits that could do some very awesome things for us?

If Utah landed the number #1 QB in the nation right now you wouldn't be able to get Kyle Whittingham to shutup about it, much less the fans. And don't give me that "no we wouldn't" talk because you know very well that you would. You just haven't so you have no way of proving it. So of course there's no guarantee of BCS games or national championships but landing top 5 recruits doesn't hurt in the effort towards them.

RE: 4:36 p.m. | 5:08 p.m. June 9, 2009

"But these recruits realized that if they played for Utah, they might have to wait a year or two to start due to Utah's deep talent in all positions. They probably figured with BYUs performance recently, they would get some playing time right away."

Yeah, I hear that Corbin Louks really has the QB position locked up, how many touchdown passes does he have again? 0? Ok, just checking.

And Heaps doesn't want to join all the great QB's of Utah's past, like..... Alex Smith? Um...Yeah, the 49ers just called and they want their money back! And....Brett Ratface.... three words: Harline's Still Open.

Go Cougs!

Re: Jealous | 5:40 p.m. June 9, 2009

You're attributing the APR of a MEDICAL SCHOOL to the starting 22 players on the football team who probably need to cram the night before just to pass an eye exam? That's great.

whos on top tommorow | 6:02 p.m. June 9, 2009

y and u fans... tcu was the best team in the confrence last year. if they hadnt gift wrapped a bcs certainty for the utes, they would halve beat on bama. mwc elites were just as good as any sec garbage last year. watch out for tcu. how the y and the u measure up against them will determine the peak of their success

Intimidated ProudRedUtahAlum | 6:52 p.m. June 9, 2009

whos on top tommorow | 6:02 p.m. June 9, 2009
y and u fans... tcu was the best team in the confrence last year. if they hadnt gift wrapped a bcs certainty for the utes, they would halve beat on bama. mwc elites were just as good as any sec garbage last year. watch out for tcu. how the y and the u measure up against them will determine the peak of their success
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TCU had a great team last season, just not as good as the Utes. And as for giftwrapping a 'bcs certainty' for the Utes last season, you played a tough game against the Utes, but ultimately "you shouldn't go and squeal if you can't close the deal". So sad. You 'might' have a chance against the Utes at home this year, but don't expect a 'gift wrapped' bcs bid. You are going to have to earn it. But in spirit of competition, GO FROGS and GO UTES!!!

Edward | 10:12 p.m. June 9, 2009

Anyone who watched the press conference knows that as intelligent, skilled, and athletic as Jake is, it is his leadership, character, and integrity that are his strongest attributes.

When all those characteristics are combined with his sincere desire to promote the mission of BYU by winning national championships, the only question is "how many" national championships will he achieve for the advancement of BYU's mission.

I know the Utes will mock and believe that BYU football is only about winning games, but when a higher purpose than football is combined with superior athletic ability and unimpeachable integrity, we can realistically expect results (national championships) that will shut the mouths of those who mock.

We Don't Care about 2004 | 11:36 p.m. June 9, 2009

Don't get me wrong making history in 2004 was awesome but 2008 smack-down of Bama in basically thier own back yard was PRICELESS.

We have moved on from 2004 its time BYU fans move on from 1984.

Anonymous | 11:37 p.m. June 9, 2009

AND I QUOTE...."Utah landed a No. 21 preseason ranking in Athlon 's Top 25 poll, a spot borne out of the sentiment that the Utes are going to be the best team in the Mountain West Conference.

It was a lengthy discussion that decided the Utes' spot, with BYU and TCU getting some consideration, according to Athlon managing editor Mitch Light. The Cougars were eliminated from the top spot after the group remembered how they struggled against more athletic teams like Utah and TCU."

How does it feel to STILL be playing third fiddle BY.....who?

Anonymous | 11:41 p.m. June 9, 2009

"BTW, thanks for proving my point about the utes not having a QB and will suffer on offense! Who is Cain? Can you tell me how many passes he has thrown in College Football?"

Zero which is as many as Heaps... only difference is Cain is not yapping about NC in 2013 he's getting ready for 2009 while Heaps is playing in high school.

BTW Cain is a junior college standout from Texas.

Anonymous | 5:39 a.m. June 10, 2009

Gosh, last season you cougars waited until about the 4th game to start talking about a national championship. This season hasn't even started yet and you guys are talking about multiple National Championships in the comming years? You guys crack me up. How about this? Baby Steps: Beat a ranked team.

Re: Anonymous | 5:39 a.m. | 7:32 a.m. June 10, 2009

I'm talking about THIS YEAR! If you read the above posts, I was responding to another yewt who thinks that the Utes will be superb again and that BYU will struggle. If that is the case then I ask: what has Louks or Cain done to prove they can play at the Division I Bowl Subdivision level...NOTHING! Never did I mention the new BYU recruit because I'm talking about this year! Face it! Utah is NOT going to be on top of the Mountain West this year.

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