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Utes are National Champions | 1: | 2:37 p.m. June 2, 2009
Congratulations was it made in the u of u woodshop 101 department? Utah is good
at self-promoting they are national champions.
Hey Class Act | 2:41 p.m. June 2, 2009
Does that mean Lavell didn't have class because he stacked his team with
pros back in the day?
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Bronco | 2:43 p.m. June 2, 2009
He drives me nuts! I can't stand him! For twenty years the coaches have
picked pro or pro level golfers for the event. So now he decides he
doesn't want to play that way and doesn't care about winning. He is a
head football coach. This says so much about him. I want a head coach that
wants to win at everything all of the time. Someone who can't sleep when
they lose a football game. Bronco tries his best to convince us that Y football
is great, we don't need to go to a BCS game to be successful, we've
won ten games a year for blah blah blah blah. I'm sick of it!
Today's standard is going to a BCS game. I want a coach who is upset he
hasn't taken his team to that level, and will work tirelessly until he gets
there. We get a guy who doesn't even want to compete at golf! I'm
not committed to Bronco, I'm committed to BYU. If Bronco doesn't care
about the BCS then why do I? I will not be renewing my season tickets.
Re: TheHailstorm | 3:05 p.m. June 2, 2009
Next time write in english not yewtish so we can understand what the heck you
are saying! What does cat csat the coug faithful have when they walking wounded
mean anyway? Geeeez!
Go Cougs
Go Cougs
MUSS | 3:38 p.m. June 2, 2009
I'm really offended that a few of you "Utah fans" don't know
our fight song, and then generalize that the rest of us REAL fans don't
know it either. For four years I sat in a section filled with folks that DID
have Utah pride enough to memorize 10 lines to sing when we scored.
I think it's great that the coaches are doing something for such a great charity. Both sides should stop being so petty and get over themselves.
I think it's great that the coaches are doing something for such a great charity. Both sides should stop being so petty and get over themselves.
Ute in Philadelphia | 3:50 p.m. June 2, 2009
(1) Why doesn't Coach McBride participate as well? He's back coaching
in Utah, and though at Weber St, is still an icon at Utah, and has golfed in
this charity for years.
(2) Why doesn't Coach Anderson participate?
(3) Why do zoobs congratulate BronKo on everything he does, even in failure? Can he do no wrong? I mean besides printing those "Quest for Perfection T-Shirts". Or that debacle in the Dust Bowl last December.
(2) Why doesn't Coach Anderson participate?
(3) Why do zoobs congratulate BronKo on everything he does, even in failure? Can he do no wrong? I mean besides printing those "Quest for Perfection T-Shirts". Or that debacle in the Dust Bowl last December.
Re:MUSS | 4:24 p.m. June 2, 2009
Hey, I go to the U, I'm in the Muss, i've had season tickets for
years, I've been going to games since I was 4 years old, and I DON'T
KNOW THE FIGHT SONG. I know most of it, but in my humble opinion, the lyrics
are LAME. "Our coeds are the fairest, each one's a shining
star?" "Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen"?
The tune is great, and call me a heretic but we need new lyrics.
The tune is great, and call me a heretic but we need new lyrics.
Re: Ute in Philadelphia | 4:56 p.m. June 2, 2009
Yeah, he probably printed those t-shirts at the same place the Ute womens
gymnastics team printed their 2009 National Champions t-shirts. BTW, have any
more of those on clearance?
Re: Re: Ute in Philadelphia | 5:30 p.m. June 2, 2009
Touche, but the gymnasts only made enough for themselves for motivation. They
weren't stupid enough to announce the slogan in a packed arena at halftime
of a men's basketball game, already have thousands of them ready to sell to
the public, and then ultimately retract their words by saying that they were
misunderstood and that the slogan actually referred to the personal lives of the
athletes and not the win-loss record of the team. I don't know what's
worse: advertising a slogan to the world about how "perfect" your
athletes are as people, or lying about it after your slogan turns out to be
completely moronic. Where's the humility in making a slogan about what
wonderful people you are? And where are the ethics from a coach who lies rather
than admit his slogan put too much pressure on his athletes?
RE: Class Act | 5:59 p.m. June 2, 2009
Kyle Whittingham is as classy as they come. I'm sorry your football team
has left you disappointed, but don't resort to name calling and belittling
Kyle to make yourself feel better.
Re: 4:24 p.m. | 6:44 p.m. June 2, 2009
If those really are your lyrics, then yes, I would have to agree with you about
the lameness.
I know it's against your nature, but listen to the lyrics and the tune of the BYU fight song. It actually sounds like a fight song.
I know it's against your nature, but listen to the lyrics and the tune of the BYU fight song. It actually sounds like a fight song.
Article forgot one thing | 6:46 p.m. June 2, 2009
On Max Hall's first shot off the tee, he was intercepted.
Was Bronco's team's 'quest' achieved? lol
That was the closest that Bronco will ever come to a BCS bowl game - wearing a Utah hat.
Go Utes!
Was Bronco's team's 'quest' achieved? lol
That was the closest that Bronco will ever come to a BCS bowl game - wearing a Utah hat.
Go Utes!
BigByuFan | 6:48 p.m. June 2, 2009
I think a coach should be compettiive and want to win,
their attitude is relected in the players and team they coach.
maybe that is why utah has been winning the big ones, and byu hasn't.
sure bronco and byu is good enough to have winning seasons,
but something is missing is that keeping them from winning bowls games and the big games.
and maybe it is fiery competitiveness.
their attitude is relected in the players and team they coach.
maybe that is why utah has been winning the big ones, and byu hasn't.
sure bronco and byu is good enough to have winning seasons,
but something is missing is that keeping them from winning bowls games and the big games.
and maybe it is fiery competitiveness.
Re:Fight Song | 6:59 p.m. June 2, 2009
I have no beef with the tune, but yeah, the lyrics need updating. BYU's is
alright.
Spudman | 8:02 p.m. June 2, 2009
Neither the Utes, nor OU can beat the Broncos. We all know who the true
National Champions are. Go Broncos!!
Seriously guys | 8:35 p.m. June 2, 2009
The real story is that they BOTH got beat, and by a few golfers who rarely pick
up a club. Now that is embarrasing! Go Utes... I mean BYU... I mean, who
cares...
Missionary In Peru | 8:42 p.m. June 2, 2009
[I'm a senior missionary, so I have the right and responsibility ;) to read
the BYU articles in the DesNews.]
This set of comments on the DesNews is about as close as we'll ever get, I suppose, to seeing Utes and Cougars agree on things. Thanks to all you Ute and Cougar fans who showed some class by supporting both coaches. They are both good coaches and good guys, the two best in the league. They both deserve a lot of credit for what they do on and off the field.
I just wish every article about the Cougars and the Utes could have mostly comments that showed common sense and grace. Both teams, unfortunately, have a minority of fans who make dumb statements and who represent their schools poorly. And both teams, unfortunately, have a group of fans who judge all the other fans by the dumb comments on DesNews.
Is it the Jim Rome effect, where callers or commentators feel they must "have a take" by being rude and talking trash? How about we just enjoy sports, show common respect, and leave the trash talking to the Jim Rome show?
This set of comments on the DesNews is about as close as we'll ever get, I suppose, to seeing Utes and Cougars agree on things. Thanks to all you Ute and Cougar fans who showed some class by supporting both coaches. They are both good coaches and good guys, the two best in the league. They both deserve a lot of credit for what they do on and off the field.
I just wish every article about the Cougars and the Utes could have mostly comments that showed common sense and grace. Both teams, unfortunately, have a minority of fans who make dumb statements and who represent their schools poorly. And both teams, unfortunately, have a group of fans who judge all the other fans by the dumb comments on DesNews.
Is it the Jim Rome effect, where callers or commentators feel they must "have a take" by being rude and talking trash? How about we just enjoy sports, show common respect, and leave the trash talking to the Jim Rome show?
Define quest Ute fans-BYU knows! | 12:34 a.m. June 3, 2009
I love the "quest for perfection" idea. If any of you aren't on
such a quest than I feel sorry for you. You don't understand what life and
progression is all about. You're going no where, without BYU's mantra.
Many misunderstand it to mean undefeated on the football field. But no matter how much this is explained, some--who knock it--never understand that actively living life well, is the quest for perfection.
Though that quest cannot be, nor was ever intended to be measured in terms of football wins--let's apply it to the Utes. I think it's great that the Utes went undefeated. Lots of good players with too many injuries in prior years. I'm glad they got to prove themselves. Though they were highly suspect all year, they at least put it together against Alabama. Were they perfect in football? Nope! They wouldn't have had to rely on TCU's kicker, if they were perfect. But the Ute's had to at least be on a "QUEST" for perfect football to go undefeated. But life is the real quest. BYU & Utah players do well overall. But fans?
Many misunderstand it to mean undefeated on the football field. But no matter how much this is explained, some--who knock it--never understand that actively living life well, is the quest for perfection.
Though that quest cannot be, nor was ever intended to be measured in terms of football wins--let's apply it to the Utes. I think it's great that the Utes went undefeated. Lots of good players with too many injuries in prior years. I'm glad they got to prove themselves. Though they were highly suspect all year, they at least put it together against Alabama. Were they perfect in football? Nope! They wouldn't have had to rely on TCU's kicker, if they were perfect. But the Ute's had to at least be on a "QUEST" for perfect football to go undefeated. But life is the real quest. BYU & Utah players do well overall. But fans?
Broncos? | 8:23 a.m. June 3, 2009
You're right, no one but the second play team from the MWC can beat the
mighty Broncos.
TCU played a terrible game in the bowl last year, and still made BSU look like the WAC trash they are.
TCU played a terrible game in the bowl last year, and still made BSU look like the WAC trash they are.
Pros and Players | 8:49 a.m. June 3, 2009
After reading all the criticism from some Ute fans about Bronco bringing players
to only have an excuse for losing...you really think he'd rather get the
ridicule from the other other team after the event?? I think for Bronco
it's a chance for him to bond with some of his players, let them see him
more loose, and more importantly, gets them more out in the community for a good
cause, something that's far more important to him than having an excuse for
losing. I don't think he even made any excuse or comment about losing
because of it being football players vs pro level golfers. I would propose that
each coach get to bring one pro, one offensive football player, and one
defensive player from their team, or any two reps of their football team, past
or present with a pro....I think that would appeal much more to the golf and
football fan community.
SJ | 8:58 a.m. June 3, 2009
Isn't a quest something you pursue, like a challenge or a goal? With that
in mind, why wouldn't a sports team want to be perfect on the field?
Shouldn't it be a goal of every sports team to win every game and have a
perfect season?
Facts | 8:59 a.m. June 3, 2009
Long before Donco was a head coach his only good predecessor at BYU -The one and
Only Lavell Edwards-took pride and very good pro BYU Golfers with him. So did
McBride. Tradition was set and appreciated. Now the new "kid" with
moderate success tries to make a statement or change the tradition to fit his
own agenda...losing and an associated excuse for the loss.
Now the BYU athletic Director needs to step up and tell the Narcissist Donco to toe the line and pull from some of the amazing Pro golfing talent whom have graduated from BYU.
Donco is now cheapening the event. I want to see a team play to win and represent well. I don't want to watch a coach and team that compromises competitiveness and makes excuses and then tries to save face by turning the Ute hat around on his head while he fakes singing an opposing fight song.
He is like Luke warm water that you spit out. Stop the Media-Dick Harmon love affair with false and obscure facts to try to make BYU football look good and build a fire under their rears so we can watch some gridiron battles.
Now the BYU athletic Director needs to step up and tell the Narcissist Donco to toe the line and pull from some of the amazing Pro golfing talent whom have graduated from BYU.
Donco is now cheapening the event. I want to see a team play to win and represent well. I don't want to watch a coach and team that compromises competitiveness and makes excuses and then tries to save face by turning the Ute hat around on his head while he fakes singing an opposing fight song.
He is like Luke warm water that you spit out. Stop the Media-Dick Harmon love affair with false and obscure facts to try to make BYU football look good and build a fire under their rears so we can watch some gridiron battles.
re: SJ | 9:41 a.m. June 3, 2009
Wait a minute. According to the Cougar fans on these boards the
"Quest" had nothing to do with football.
Now you're saying it was really about wining all their games and going to the BCS?
What a downer you are for Cougar nation. At least let them live in the bubble in peace and not have to deal with the utter failure of the "Quest."
Now you're saying it was really about wining all their games and going to the BCS?
What a downer you are for Cougar nation. At least let them live in the bubble in peace and not have to deal with the utter failure of the "Quest."
Re: 12;34 a.m. | 10:32 a.m. June 3, 2009
"They wouldn't have had to rely on TCU's kicker, if they were
perfect."
******
Utah relied on TCU's kicker to beat the Frogs the same way they relied on Max Hall to beat BYU.
They intimidated him into making mistakes.
That's how football games are won.
The 2008 Utes were PERFECT. The 2004 Utes were PERFECT.
BYU hasn't been perfect for 24 years.
******
Utah relied on TCU's kicker to beat the Frogs the same way they relied on Max Hall to beat BYU.
They intimidated him into making mistakes.
That's how football games are won.
The 2008 Utes were PERFECT. The 2004 Utes were PERFECT.
BYU hasn't been perfect for 24 years.
Utes can't define QUEST | 11:15 a.m. June 3, 2009
9:41am,
No, the quest is not only about football, but more than that--life. No one expects you capable of understanding the second part of that. But at least understand how it applies to the first part--football.
BYU never called it the season of perfection, it was a quest for perfection. No other goal would improve upon what they had done in the previous two seasons. But missing a goal is no more a failure than never setting the goal. When you are as consistently good as BYU you have to set your goals high. When you are Utah, you don't know what to expect from year to year, so you don't set expectations for yourself at all. That may make you good every fourth year, but after graduation, you are left with the mediocre for the next three years.
BYU's quest is to not have a Utah-like drop off 3 out of every 4 years, but rather to improve on our success from year to year. BYU is doing that. Utah is well on a different quest I guess. On second thought, I don't expect you to understand the quest at all.
No, the quest is not only about football, but more than that--life. No one expects you capable of understanding the second part of that. But at least understand how it applies to the first part--football.
BYU never called it the season of perfection, it was a quest for perfection. No other goal would improve upon what they had done in the previous two seasons. But missing a goal is no more a failure than never setting the goal. When you are as consistently good as BYU you have to set your goals high. When you are Utah, you don't know what to expect from year to year, so you don't set expectations for yourself at all. That may make you good every fourth year, but after graduation, you are left with the mediocre for the next three years.
BYU's quest is to not have a Utah-like drop off 3 out of every 4 years, but rather to improve on our success from year to year. BYU is doing that. Utah is well on a different quest I guess. On second thought, I don't expect you to understand the quest at all.
Hello Trolls | 11:33 a.m. June 3, 2009
I wonder if Whittingham will continue to bring local pros, or bring players now
that Bronco has stated that he'll bring players again next year. He kind of
called him out by saying that.
re: 11:15AM | 12:01 p.m. June 3, 2009
Correction.
BYU has reached their potential. Good years with 10 wins, not getting any better. In fact, looking at last years embarrassments against TCU, Utah and Arizona, you could easily argue the team is regressing. The defense is slow and unathletic. The best WR in BYU history is gone. Max is great against Wyoming, and folds against good teams.
On the other hand, Utah has now reached their ultimate potential 2 of the last 4 seasons. Of course there is a downturn at the end of the Fiesta and Sugar Bowl. You can't be PERFECT every year.
But wouldn't it be nice if the Cougars could back up their talk and be PERFECT even once?
Your defense of Donko's Quest is ridiculous. Of course he meant football. He is a FOOTBALL coach. He gave this message to his FOOTBALL players. His FOOTBALL team yelled "BCS" when breaking huddles in spring. Stop the insanity. Have the stones to call it what is was. A Quest to be undefeated, get to the BCS, and do what Utah had already done. Too bad the Utes accomplished the Quest again before BYU could get there once.
BYU has reached their potential. Good years with 10 wins, not getting any better. In fact, looking at last years embarrassments against TCU, Utah and Arizona, you could easily argue the team is regressing. The defense is slow and unathletic. The best WR in BYU history is gone. Max is great against Wyoming, and folds against good teams.
On the other hand, Utah has now reached their ultimate potential 2 of the last 4 seasons. Of course there is a downturn at the end of the Fiesta and Sugar Bowl. You can't be PERFECT every year.
But wouldn't it be nice if the Cougars could back up their talk and be PERFECT even once?
Your defense of Donko's Quest is ridiculous. Of course he meant football. He is a FOOTBALL coach. He gave this message to his FOOTBALL players. His FOOTBALL team yelled "BCS" when breaking huddles in spring. Stop the insanity. Have the stones to call it what is was. A Quest to be undefeated, get to the BCS, and do what Utah had already done. Too bad the Utes accomplished the Quest again before BYU could get there once.
re: Trolls | 12:02 p.m. June 3, 2009
Bronco showed his personality. If you can't win, bring in an excuse for
losing. Just like last year. He gets kicked in the head by TCU & Utah,
then proclaims that football is his teams 5th priority.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Are you serious? | 12:18 p.m. June 3, 2009
8:37 a.m. -- If there were no clouds, there would not be any rain. There are
clouds. There is rain. And the Utes do not have any national championships.
The Utes have some great highs during this decade -- two BCS wins is a great
accomplishment. They have also had that blanking against UNLV two seasons ago.
Personally, I would rather have two BCS wins in 5 years, than 30 wins in 3
seasons, but both are great accomplishments. As for this season, I would rather
be BYU than Utah. Utah's only decent win last year on the road was against
an Alabama that did not take them seriously. Good luck at Oregon, TCU, and BYU
with all the seniors you lost.
Mike | 12:22 p.m. June 3, 2009
"BYU's quest is to not have a Utah-like drop off 3 out of every 4
years, but rather to improve on our success from year to year."
Are you crazy? I have had season tickets to BYU for over 25 years and I want BYU to get to the top. That's what Lavell wanted his whole career, that's what he did, why change things now? Please fans, don't continue to buy the garbage that Bronco is selling: That we're just fine without winning the big games, we have consistency. YUCK!!! The guy has won one non-conference road game, and that was against Washington. Please stop buying his mantra that we've reached the top because we win in conference. BYU needs to get back on the national stage, and you do that by beating big time teams out of conference, and by winning bowl games. It crushes me that he is lowering expectations so much, and it pains me even more that many fans are buying it. If this continues it will be the end of the legacy that Lavell built.
Are you crazy? I have had season tickets to BYU for over 25 years and I want BYU to get to the top. That's what Lavell wanted his whole career, that's what he did, why change things now? Please fans, don't continue to buy the garbage that Bronco is selling: That we're just fine without winning the big games, we have consistency. YUCK!!! The guy has won one non-conference road game, and that was against Washington. Please stop buying his mantra that we've reached the top because we win in conference. BYU needs to get back on the national stage, and you do that by beating big time teams out of conference, and by winning bowl games. It crushes me that he is lowering expectations so much, and it pains me even more that many fans are buying it. If this continues it will be the end of the legacy that Lavell built.
re: Facts | 1:39 p.m. June 3, 2009
"Instead of loading up with pro players, a tradition started at the end of
the LaVell Edwards-Ron McBride era..."
Hey Facts maybe you forgot to read the article. The above statement from the story seems to indicate exactly the opposite of your "facts" about LaVell and McBride always using pro players. Next time instead of posting as "Facts" please use "Stuff I Just Made Up".
Hey Facts maybe you forgot to read the article. The above statement from the story seems to indicate exactly the opposite of your "facts" about LaVell and McBride always using pro players. Next time instead of posting as "Facts" please use "Stuff I Just Made Up".
Rediculous | 1:50 p.m. June 3, 2009
This is a story about a charity event and you all act like it is for conference
supremecy. I am a Utah man I love the Utes, Hate the Cougars. But give them
both credit. One had to save a storied program from the Crowton era and one had
the largest shoes in Non-BCS shcool vacancies to fill and both have done
admirably. They both bring credit to their programs, schools and communities.
I like the idea to play with players and not pros. GO UTES!!!!!
Broncos outwitted U | 1:51 p.m. June 3, 2009
Awesome! If an event pits BYU against Utah then Utah should have the guts to
show up and play with their own players. Otherwise, singing the other teams
fight song has no meaning. Might as well sing the professional golfers praise.
Utes always want respect they don't deserve.
Oh, and Bronco sung the song the way Utes should sing it, because everyone knows all that spite really comes from BYU envy. I love it!
Oh, and Bronco sung the song the way Utes should sing it, because everyone knows all that spite really comes from BYU envy. I love it!
re: Class Act | 2:01 p.m. June 3, 2009
I have to agree with Class Act who made some good points. I think the kind of
players Whittingham brought to the charity event in order to ensure a mostly
meaningless win speaks volumes about his level of maturity and sportsmanship.
The reasons for inviting these coaches to the event are to help others have a
good time, help generate interest in the event by virtue of their presence, and
help raise some money for charity. It is not necessarily to "win".
Whittingham doesn't seem to get this while Mendenhall's decision
indicates that he does. Based on this, Mendenhall was the true winner at the
event.
Re: re: Facts | 2:27 p.m. June 3, 2009
Are you serious? Do you know what that sentence you provided means? Please take
an elementary school english class. You proved exactly waht "Facts"
was saying. I am almost at a loss for words at how you completely misunderstood
that quote. It is hilarious.
@ 2:01 p.m. | 2:41 p.m. June 3, 2009
"Based on this, Mendenhall was the true winner at the event."
Based on the score, the true winners are:
#1-The charity
#2-Whittingham/Utah
#3-Zoobie spindoctors
#4-BronKo/tdS
And there you have it. BronKo/tdS finished in 4th place in a 2-man contest. Poor zoobs.
Perhaps BronKo should defer all of his future competitions to just the Special Olympics...where EVERYBODY gets to be a winner!
Based on the score, the true winners are:
#1-The charity
#2-Whittingham/Utah
#3-Zoobie spindoctors
#4-BronKo/tdS
And there you have it. BronKo/tdS finished in 4th place in a 2-man contest. Poor zoobs.
Perhaps BronKo should defer all of his future competitions to just the Special Olympics...where EVERYBODY gets to be a winner!
Floyd the Ute | 2:45 p.m. June 3, 2009
As a Ute fan I want a coach who is unapologetically competitive when it comes to
BYU.
I expect Kyle to recruit the very best golfers he can to represent the Utes. And I expect him to beat BYU.
If Bronco has different priorities than winning, and if he wants to pretend to sing Utah Man, then that is his prerogative.
I expect Kyle to recruit the very best golfers he can to represent the Utes. And I expect him to beat BYU.
If Bronco has different priorities than winning, and if he wants to pretend to sing Utah Man, then that is his prerogative.
BYU is always the team to beat | 2:52 p.m. June 3, 2009
Mike @ 12:22,
Only fans expect perfection every year. What a coach wants (& makes his team's quest) and what a coach expects are two entirely different things. BYU expects to win the conference, has done so 2 out of the last 3 years, and is the most likely to do so again this year. Consistently being the best always trumps a good year here and there.
Lavell absolutely loves the success Bronco has had and would have been very happy achieving what Bronco has achieved in his early years. Undefeated seasons are rare, but will have more stock when your always the frontrunner (like 1984 was). While Lavell and Bronco don't expect perfection every year (they strive for it), they can appreciate the close years too.
Fans shouldn't buy into their own trumped up expectations of what you want BYU to be, and instead be happy considering who they are. BYU is expected to win the MWC, year after year, because that's who BYU is. Bronco has never shied away from lofty expectations. Every team is on a quest to win every game, but BYU is bold enough to expect the possibility given the reality.
Only fans expect perfection every year. What a coach wants (& makes his team's quest) and what a coach expects are two entirely different things. BYU expects to win the conference, has done so 2 out of the last 3 years, and is the most likely to do so again this year. Consistently being the best always trumps a good year here and there.
Lavell absolutely loves the success Bronco has had and would have been very happy achieving what Bronco has achieved in his early years. Undefeated seasons are rare, but will have more stock when your always the frontrunner (like 1984 was). While Lavell and Bronco don't expect perfection every year (they strive for it), they can appreciate the close years too.
Fans shouldn't buy into their own trumped up expectations of what you want BYU to be, and instead be happy considering who they are. BYU is expected to win the MWC, year after year, because that's who BYU is. Bronco has never shied away from lofty expectations. Every team is on a quest to win every game, but BYU is bold enough to expect the possibility given the reality.
re: team to beat | 3:30 p.m. June 3, 2009
Gotta love Cougar spin:
"Consistently being the best always trumps a good year here and there."
Yeah, those "good years" just produced about $1,000,000 to the BYU program courtesy of the Utes. They also put the Utes on the college football map, as the nation watched Barry Switzer squirm all over the set as Utah destroyed Bama.
Being the best means beating the best doesn't it? Not beating up on Wyoming, CSU, Northwest Iowa School for the Blind, and the worst team in the country (Washington). When the mighty Cougars can improve on their 1-25 records versus ranked opponents, you can claim to be the best. Until then you are just one of many in line behind the non-BCS program who has won the most games versus BCS teams, and busted the BCS twice. THE UTES.
"BYU is bold enough to expect the possibility given the reality. " Correction. BYU is arrogant enough to print the term "Quest For Perfection" on T-Shirts, knowing full well that their defense is slow and unathletic and would get torched by UNLV, CSU and Washington. I won't even talk about what happened with TCU and Utah.
"Consistently being the best always trumps a good year here and there."
Yeah, those "good years" just produced about $1,000,000 to the BYU program courtesy of the Utes. They also put the Utes on the college football map, as the nation watched Barry Switzer squirm all over the set as Utah destroyed Bama.
Being the best means beating the best doesn't it? Not beating up on Wyoming, CSU, Northwest Iowa School for the Blind, and the worst team in the country (Washington). When the mighty Cougars can improve on their 1-25 records versus ranked opponents, you can claim to be the best. Until then you are just one of many in line behind the non-BCS program who has won the most games versus BCS teams, and busted the BCS twice. THE UTES.
"BYU is bold enough to expect the possibility given the reality. " Correction. BYU is arrogant enough to print the term "Quest For Perfection" on T-Shirts, knowing full well that their defense is slow and unathletic and would get torched by UNLV, CSU and Washington. I won't even talk about what happened with TCU and Utah.
Mike | 4:24 p.m. June 3, 2009
To BYU is always the team to beat - Thank you for proving my point, that Bronco
has so watered down expectations that he has convinced many BYU fans that this
is the best it can get. And I really don't understand wanting BYU's
recent record as opposed to Utah's. Where is Utah supposed to go after
perfect seasons? Of course they go down, but they come right back up. Bronco
is consistent. He is consistently not taking BYU to the BCS. If we are
building toward something big, then I'm all for it. But to hear him and
some BYU fans talk, this is it. What is so hard to understand about getting to
the top. Those that do are better than those that don't. There's no
room for arguement. I for one will not continue to support a coach who refuses
to accept the challenge to be a top program, and that is to go to, and actually
win, BCS bowl games.
BYU crowned best long before BCS | 4:27 p.m. June 3, 2009
The Utes will be forgotten history starting this year. Talk while you can. Oh,
and the Utes have never beaten the best! Barry Switzer's Oklahoma refused
to play BYU in 1984; but Florida would have gladly killed the Utes last year.
BTW-the Utes had a quest for perfection last year or they wouldn't have won out. It isn't arrogance/confidence to make that a goal in writing. It's called pursuing a goal.
Your Utes better strive to win every game this year too, or else they might as well not even get on the field. Your arrogant fans paint a bigger target on your team every day. The Utes are the ones who think no one can top them.
I'll take Top 25 finishes in half of the last thirty years over the Utes two success stories. Convenient spin you've got on BYU's top25 wins. The one win you mention must be the one against top ranked Miami.
If I only had to listen to the Utes talk everytime they had a top25 finish it would amount to about 5 times in fifty years, compared to BYU's 15 in 30 yrs.
BTW-the Utes had a quest for perfection last year or they wouldn't have won out. It isn't arrogance/confidence to make that a goal in writing. It's called pursuing a goal.
Your Utes better strive to win every game this year too, or else they might as well not even get on the field. Your arrogant fans paint a bigger target on your team every day. The Utes are the ones who think no one can top them.
I'll take Top 25 finishes in half of the last thirty years over the Utes two success stories. Convenient spin you've got on BYU's top25 wins. The one win you mention must be the one against top ranked Miami.
If I only had to listen to the Utes talk everytime they had a top25 finish it would amount to about 5 times in fifty years, compared to BYU's 15 in 30 yrs.
Re:BYU crowned........ | 6:13 p.m. June 3, 2009
Baaaaaaaaaaaa-----all those words and nothing but rabble?
Ignorant BYU fan | 10:13 p.m. June 3, 2009
What does "tds" stand for?
Ignorant???? | 7:41 a.m. June 4, 2009
Toads down south!!!!!!
re: Facts 2:27pm | 9:13 a.m. June 4, 2009
Ummm...actually it sounds like U are the one who needs remedial English and
completely misunderstood the quote from the story. The "re: Facts"
poster at 1:39pm got it right. The original Facts poster said LaVell and Ronnie
used pro players. The quote from the story says the tradition of using pro
players started at the END of their era. See the difference now? Maybe not.
Sheesh, do we have to explain EVERYTHING to yoot fans??
sick and tired | 9:37 p.m. June 4, 2009
Seriously. I havent read any of the comments but i know they are ridiculous as
always. They went and played golf for charity. Positive comments appreciated.
TDS answer | 5:56 p.m. June 6, 2009
Team Down South...a slogan left over from the Urban Meyer years.
Old Coach | 7:32 a.m. June 9, 2009
Dear Class Act: Go away. Shame on you for what you say. Lack of sportsmaship?
Immateurety and grow up? By the time you have written what you did you should
have at least read all the comments to know that the only change in the format
was a BYU decision, not Utah's. Fine for both. Shame on all of you who say
the rude and lying things that you do. Please stop this kind of thing. Are some
of you so immature yourself that you must live in these blogs as you do? Get a
life and be gone. I tire of all of it.
Re Howard | 11:51 p.m. June 12, 2009
Whittingham has totally changed how the NKF golf tournament is supposed to work.
He breaks the rules and the spirit of the tournament. It was never intended to
be pros vs football players. It is a school vs school thing. Non pros and the
coaches play. It was this way from the beginning of the tournament, until Urban
and Kyle came along. Now Whittingham thinks it special and wonderful to bring
2 and sometimes 3 pros to compete. He ends up looking like a fool. There
should only be 1 guy with a handicap lower than 9 on a team. The team handicap
needs to total 44 minimum. And each player needs to use 3 tee shots. Kyle
using 3 tee shots? Not likely for sure. So cheat to win because it is such a
jock mentality. Kyle first, NKF second. What a great accomplishment. I am not
sure why the NKF pits up with this.
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