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TheHailstorm | 5:01 p.m. May 26, 2009
I like the fact that Boylen is getting as many top programs as he can. It
should be an interesting year as he has recruited from all over the U.S.
The MWC seems to be rising as New Mexico and Steve Alford has some good recruits as well as Steve Fischer at SDSU and Kreugar at UNLV. I'm not sure about the TDS , seems like Rose just offered scholarships for the decent players in Utah County. Not really a hot bed, but he seems to have a good one in Haws, and that Emery kid from last year should be a reliable point guard. It's a good thing that Taveneri stuck around so that Yners don't lose out or be penalized from the NCAA with a low graduation rate as Ohio State did when Koufas and Odem left early.
All in all it should be a very good year for basketball in the MWC.
I really like the excitement from all of the round ball teams in the state including Utah State , Weber State , SLCC, and even the lady Utes and Tommy Connors Westminster teams.
The MWC seems to be rising as New Mexico and Steve Alford has some good recruits as well as Steve Fischer at SDSU and Kreugar at UNLV. I'm not sure about the TDS , seems like Rose just offered scholarships for the decent players in Utah County. Not really a hot bed, but he seems to have a good one in Haws, and that Emery kid from last year should be a reliable point guard. It's a good thing that Taveneri stuck around so that Yners don't lose out or be penalized from the NCAA with a low graduation rate as Ohio State did when Koufas and Odem left early.
All in all it should be a very good year for basketball in the MWC.
I really like the excitement from all of the round ball teams in the state including Utah State , Weber State , SLCC, and even the lady Utes and Tommy Connors Westminster teams.
Strong and weak | 5:29 p.m. May 26, 2009
A few tough games, but the rest are extremely weak teams. Not really a schedule
to be too proud of. And it wasn't Utah's non-conference schedule that
got them into the NCAA tournament last year, it was winning a very good MWC.
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Ute Basketball is Back | 5:42 p.m. May 26, 2009
Next year will inevitably be somewhat of a rebuilding year, but with only 1 or 2
seniors, the following 2-3 seasons look especially promising.
I can't wait to see what the team will look like with players who've got a full four years under Boylen.
I can't wait to see what the team will look like with players who've got a full four years under Boylen.
Guts? | 5:55 p.m. May 26, 2009
You can't be referring to BYU playing Wake Forest and at Arizona State can
you? Perhaps you are thinking more about SW Baptist State...at home or Idaho
State on the road? Give me a break.
AccraUte | 6:09 p.m. May 26, 2009
It sounds like a well-balanced schedule. Given the loss of Nevill, we have to
expect a bit of a let down, but I still anticipate a very competitive team.
Coaches keep or lose their jobs based primarily on win/loss records, so there is
a temptation to avoid probable losses in the non-conference part of the season.
My hat's off to Jim Boylen for having the faith and cojones to schedule
several top teams. Go Utes!
Guts? | 6:09 p.m. May 26, 2009
All of the state's college coaches will play any team, the problem is most
of the other teams will only play at Utah, because it's an easier place to
win than the Spectrum or Marriott Center.
Re: Guts | 6:10 p.m. May 26, 2009
Let's compare strength of schedules last year shall we? I don't think
you want to go there.
Re: Re: Guts | 6:10 p.m. | 6:35 p.m. May 26, 2009
Yes, we do. I suspect you are going to drivel on about how tough BYU's
season was. If memory serves, and I believe it does, BYU was no where in the
same league as Utah with respect to strength of schedule. So, please go
there...I want to know what your facts are and I'm equally curious to know
how you spin those facts to tell the story you want to convey.
If your comment is not related to BYU's schedule, then please clarify.
Thanks.
If your comment is not related to BYU's schedule, then please clarify.
Thanks.
RE: Gut ?sy Boy | 7:49 p.m. May 26, 2009
Jim Boylen has recruited some very good ball players. 2 from Texas, 1 from
Michigan and another from Georgia , plus he has some 6-11/ 7 foot guys in the
wings. Rose recruited whoever was available in Utah County.
What a pitiful comment about the loss to Southern Baptist.. big deal, they won the MWC tournament , as did baseball, and football?... Those two advances and a Sugar Bowl victory kept the name Utah out in the media for the long stretch. That positive press will pay dividends in the years to come. Meanwhile out where, "The World is our Campuss", YBU lost in the Dust bowl by only holding 6 of the assigned practices, had a fireside with Donko,( standing up your cheerleaders , pep band and fans,) then took the field and lost against an unranked and unsung 5th place Pac 10 team thus embarrassing the entire MWC with your clueless behavior on and off the field.
Now tell me what was Rose thinking ? After all Utah did pour 1.5 million dollars into the athletic budget from BCS wins, surely some would have gone for recruiting instead of buying ice cream for the church singles social.
What a pitiful comment about the loss to Southern Baptist.. big deal, they won the MWC tournament , as did baseball, and football?... Those two advances and a Sugar Bowl victory kept the name Utah out in the media for the long stretch. That positive press will pay dividends in the years to come. Meanwhile out where, "The World is our Campuss", YBU lost in the Dust bowl by only holding 6 of the assigned practices, had a fireside with Donko,( standing up your cheerleaders , pep band and fans,) then took the field and lost against an unranked and unsung 5th place Pac 10 team thus embarrassing the entire MWC with your clueless behavior on and off the field.
Now tell me what was Rose thinking ? After all Utah did pour 1.5 million dollars into the athletic budget from BCS wins, surely some would have gone for recruiting instead of buying ice cream for the church singles social.
Toughest game | 7:54 p.m. May 26, 2009
Nice to see that extremely tough team, Southwest Baptist, off the schedule.
TOUGH SCHEDULE???? | 10:39 p.m. May 26, 2009
The YEWTS said the same thing last season and then went right and LOST to
SOUTHWEST BAPTIST and CSI!!!!!
Mighty tough schedule. What division II school do you dare play this year????
Oh I get it....scared for another REPEAT performance????
HA! HA! HA!
Mighty tough schedule. What division II school do you dare play this year????
Oh I get it....scared for another REPEAT performance????
HA! HA! HA!
so what?? | 12:26 a.m. May 27, 2009
The MWC is a weak conference in both major sports. That you set up 2 or 3 valid
non conf games does nothing for the overall program. You people on the Wasatch
Front think the world revolves around you when most people don't even know
how to find SLC on the map.
Anonymous | 6:46 a.m. May 27, 2009
TOUGH SCHEDULE???? | 10:39 p.m. May 26, 2009
Nevertheless, Utah accomplished as much as the pre-season favorite BYU. Oh wait Utah actually beat a ranked team... never mind of BYU.
Nevertheless, Utah accomplished as much as the pre-season favorite BYU. Oh wait Utah actually beat a ranked team... never mind of BYU.
Anonymous | 6:51 a.m. May 27, 2009
so what?? | 12:26 a.m. May 27, 2009
You people on the Wasatch Front think the world revolves around you when most people don't even know how to find SLC on the map.
Only an idiot couldn't find SLC using Google Map... someone as cleaver as you had no problem finding DNews so your not one of them.
You people on the Wasatch Front think the world revolves around you when most people don't even know how to find SLC on the map.
Only an idiot couldn't find SLC using Google Map... someone as cleaver as you had no problem finding DNews so your not one of them.
JIMMY BALL! | 7:36 a.m. May 27, 2009
How many home games will Disco Stu play this year? Will any of those games
include any D-1 schools?
Champions | 7:47 a.m. May 27, 2009
If we lose to SW Baptist every year and win a MWC Championship, then so be it.
I'm happy.
There are plenty of teams that would be willing to do a home-and-home series or a 2 away / 1 home series with BYU (see Wake Forest for example). If BYU wasn't so scared about playing tough teams on the road it would happen a lot more often.
If I was a BYU fan, I would be very disappointed with the lack of quality opponents that show up on the schedule each year. There is no way I would buy season tickets for 1 good non-conference home game, and a lot of years it is actually zero.
There are plenty of teams that would be willing to do a home-and-home series or a 2 away / 1 home series with BYU (see Wake Forest for example). If BYU wasn't so scared about playing tough teams on the road it would happen a lot more often.
If I was a BYU fan, I would be very disappointed with the lack of quality opponents that show up on the schedule each year. There is no way I would buy season tickets for 1 good non-conference home game, and a lot of years it is actually zero.
re: Guts? | 8:00 a.m. May 27, 2009
Great, so you played two tough games last year, and how did those work out for
you???? LOSSES.
Try beating someone worth note, then you can talk about how Rose schedules. 2 decent games out of what 10-11 before conference? Wow, really preparing his team isn't he.
BYU's best win last year was......UTAH.
Nuff said.
Try beating someone worth note, then you can talk about how Rose schedules. 2 decent games out of what 10-11 before conference? Wow, really preparing his team isn't he.
BYU's best win last year was......UTAH.
Nuff said.
re: Guts? 6:09 | 8:06 a.m. May 27, 2009
Correction. Names will come play Utah because Utah is also a national name.
Unlike the other in-state programs. Losing at Utah, as SEC champ LSU and Sweet
Sixteen team Gonzaga did last year, is not a bad loss because the Utes are a
nationally recognized basketball program. But losing in Cow Valley and Happy
Valley does not look good since neither has a national reputation of winning.
Don't bother Yners | 8:53 a.m. May 27, 2009
Last season Utahs SOS was 23, BYUs was 67. Utahs ending RPI was 9th, BYUs was
29th. Utah lost to Southwest Baptist, but they had wins against Oregon, Gonzaga
and LSU. They tied for the regular season conference championship with BYU, but
won the conference tournament. BYU's biggest win was Utah! Every year is
different, but Utah accomplished more than BYU in every sport that matters this
year!
All Hail Ute-dom! | 9:27 a.m. May 27, 2009
Gotta hand it to my fine friends from Salt Lake! The 2008-2009 season was one
for the ages-perhaps a once in a lifetime with championships in football,
basketball, and good heavens even in baseball.
Enjoy it while you can Utes everywhere! Store away the memories for the down cycle years to come. Treasure those Sugar Bowl memories at least for another four years until 2012-since your next bowl games will be in Fort Worth or Albuquerque or San Francisco.
You will be using "2008" for years like BYU fans throw out the magic "1984" and "1996".
Old parables like "even a blind squirrel" or "every dog has his day" come to mind when we think of Utah football. No doubt RES will return to its normal half empty in the autumns to come.
So, we true blue fans around the world salute you for your magnificent season for the ages. Enjoy basking in it for another three months when reality sets in again-another mediocre season.
And since this is a basketball thread, I have only one thing to say: Coach Rose, go thou and do likewise. Give us an OoC schedule to be proud of.
Enjoy it while you can Utes everywhere! Store away the memories for the down cycle years to come. Treasure those Sugar Bowl memories at least for another four years until 2012-since your next bowl games will be in Fort Worth or Albuquerque or San Francisco.
You will be using "2008" for years like BYU fans throw out the magic "1984" and "1996".
Old parables like "even a blind squirrel" or "every dog has his day" come to mind when we think of Utah football. No doubt RES will return to its normal half empty in the autumns to come.
So, we true blue fans around the world salute you for your magnificent season for the ages. Enjoy basking in it for another three months when reality sets in again-another mediocre season.
And since this is a basketball thread, I have only one thing to say: Coach Rose, go thou and do likewise. Give us an OoC schedule to be proud of.
TheHailstorm | 9:48 a.m. May 27, 2009
Does anyone recall the Deseret Dual ? That is where a local credit union keeps
track of all major sports and then assigns points. This year the overall sports
champion between YBU and Utah was,,
Utah 39.5
YBU 26.5
Utah sports was clearly dominant. Numbers don't lie so what if the blue bloods eat some humble pie and have live with this years debacle. Meanwhile Utah can't rest on past performances , but rather should focus on the upcoming year.
Now that that score is history why don't we just all get along and see what this next sports year brings. Should be a dandy. I can't wait for football and see what coach Kyle has for the red blooded Utes!
Go Utes ! ! !
Rise and shout the cougars can pout.
Utah 39.5
YBU 26.5
Utah sports was clearly dominant. Numbers don't lie so what if the blue bloods eat some humble pie and have live with this years debacle. Meanwhile Utah can't rest on past performances , but rather should focus on the upcoming year.
Now that that score is history why don't we just all get along and see what this next sports year brings. Should be a dandy. I can't wait for football and see what coach Kyle has for the red blooded Utes!
Go Utes ! ! !
Rise and shout the cougars can pout.
Question????? | 10:10 a.m. May 27, 2009
Where can I purchase a bunch of Sugar Bowl Videos???
After next seasons basketball and football teams below 500 performances.......I'm sure I can sell them to YEWT fans, so they can having something exciting to watch besides attending the HALF full RES and the HC.
After next seasons basketball and football teams below 500 performances.......I'm sure I can sell them to YEWT fans, so they can having something exciting to watch besides attending the HALF full RES and the HC.
Re: All Hail Ute-dom! | 10:16 a.m. May 27, 2009
"Treasure those Sugar Bowl memories at least for another four years until
2012-since your next bowl games will be in Fort Worth or Albuquerque or San
Francisco."
Well, I guess if history DOES repeat itself as you have described, then in 2012, when the "Top-5 ranked" Utes finish throttling another BCS opponent in the Orange or Rose Bowl, they will have extended their NATION-LEADING postseason win streak to TWELVE games. The Red Rocks, and add'l MWC Titles in Soccer, Tennis, Volleyball, Basketball [M&W], and Baseball will enhance the Nat'l cachet of the Univ. of Utah.
Meanwhile, as said history repeats, the tdS will have finished another 4 yrs having never made it out of Las Vegas Bowl, and only winning 1/2 of their appearances. With nothing to look forward to in Football, zoobs will turn their attention to Basketball, where they will again fail to live up to their preseason hype, and bounce out of the NCAA tournament one-and-done every year.
And no one will notice them.
Sad, sad zoobs.
How marvelous!
It's great to be a Utah Alum. Here's to a great future!
GO UTES!!!
Well, I guess if history DOES repeat itself as you have described, then in 2012, when the "Top-5 ranked" Utes finish throttling another BCS opponent in the Orange or Rose Bowl, they will have extended their NATION-LEADING postseason win streak to TWELVE games. The Red Rocks, and add'l MWC Titles in Soccer, Tennis, Volleyball, Basketball [M&W], and Baseball will enhance the Nat'l cachet of the Univ. of Utah.
Meanwhile, as said history repeats, the tdS will have finished another 4 yrs having never made it out of Las Vegas Bowl, and only winning 1/2 of their appearances. With nothing to look forward to in Football, zoobs will turn their attention to Basketball, where they will again fail to live up to their preseason hype, and bounce out of the NCAA tournament one-and-done every year.
And no one will notice them.
Sad, sad zoobs.
How marvelous!
It's great to be a Utah Alum. Here's to a great future!
GO UTES!!!
Who Cares? | 11:16 a.m. May 27, 2009
It's summer time fans, think summer sports and activities. I don't
want to hear about basketball until the middle of football season and both are
far off!
SW Baptist | 11:17 a.m. May 27, 2009
SW Baptist > Utah > Byu
Don't feel too bad Utes. We tried to schedule byu, but they prefer playing Provo High and Lone Peak so they can get their 20 wins and a 9 seed in the NCAA tourney. Can't argue with that strategy, though. They are tough in March.
Don't feel too bad Utes. We tried to schedule byu, but they prefer playing Provo High and Lone Peak so they can get their 20 wins and a 9 seed in the NCAA tourney. Can't argue with that strategy, though. They are tough in March.
Re Jimmy Ball | 11:41 a.m. May 27, 2009
Disco Stu plays most home games against DI schools. There is the occasional
lower tier school but still better than Southwest Baptist. Don't discount
what Stu does. Best coach in the state.
Ceiling | 11:51 a.m. May 27, 2009
I think what is really killing Cougar fans right now is that they have seen this
year what the ceiling is for Utah athletics. Domination in all major sports.
Football
Utah has every reason to believe they can again ascend into the top 5 and win a BCS game versus a big time opponent.
BYU has every reason to believe they can get through a season with 2-3 losses, maybe get to the Vegas Bowl, and maybe beat an average Pac-10 team.
Basketball
Utah has every reason to believe they can again dominate the MWC, and make deep runs into the NCAA tournament. Title game, not likely, but Sweet Sixteen could be just around the corner.
BYU has every reason to believe they can keep winning games at the MC, while losing to most good teams they play. They will annually fall in the MWC tourney, because of the unfair environment in Vegas. And to cap it off, might be able to muster an 8-9 seed in the NCAA tourney, and exit in round one.
If I were a Cougar, I'd be feeling extremely inadequate too.
Football
Utah has every reason to believe they can again ascend into the top 5 and win a BCS game versus a big time opponent.
BYU has every reason to believe they can get through a season with 2-3 losses, maybe get to the Vegas Bowl, and maybe beat an average Pac-10 team.
Basketball
Utah has every reason to believe they can again dominate the MWC, and make deep runs into the NCAA tournament. Title game, not likely, but Sweet Sixteen could be just around the corner.
BYU has every reason to believe they can keep winning games at the MC, while losing to most good teams they play. They will annually fall in the MWC tourney, because of the unfair environment in Vegas. And to cap it off, might be able to muster an 8-9 seed in the NCAA tourney, and exit in round one.
If I were a Cougar, I'd be feeling extremely inadequate too.
re: Re: All Hail Ute-dom! | 12:13 p.m. May 27, 2009
As noted an anomalous year in a typical Utes cycle. Enjoy my friends.
Let's make this perfectly clear-we congratulate you on your once in a decade dominance, but are certain that it will not continue.
You note championships in numerous major and minor sports in 2008-09. Again an anomaly since your major rival 45 miles to the south has totally dominated the annual MWC conference All-sports race for 10 of the 11 years of operation.
In 2008-09 BYU won 9 combined mens/womens championships while Utah won only 5 (including the highly improbable baseball trophy-congrats).
Overall since the inception of the MWC, BYU has won a total of 83 (38 men + 45 women) conference tournament championships while Utah has won a whopping total of 16 (13 women + 3 men). Red Rocks really rock!! Congrats!
In reality overall-Cougars dominate in every sport (except women's gymnastics) major and minor.
Get over it. One year does not a pattern make.
And we will see about 2012! Hope it happens, but highly doubtful....
Let's make this perfectly clear-we congratulate you on your once in a decade dominance, but are certain that it will not continue.
You note championships in numerous major and minor sports in 2008-09. Again an anomaly since your major rival 45 miles to the south has totally dominated the annual MWC conference All-sports race for 10 of the 11 years of operation.
In 2008-09 BYU won 9 combined mens/womens championships while Utah won only 5 (including the highly improbable baseball trophy-congrats).
Overall since the inception of the MWC, BYU has won a total of 83 (38 men + 45 women) conference tournament championships while Utah has won a whopping total of 16 (13 women + 3 men). Red Rocks really rock!! Congrats!
In reality overall-Cougars dominate in every sport (except women's gymnastics) major and minor.
Get over it. One year does not a pattern make.
And we will see about 2012! Hope it happens, but highly doubtful....
Huge Ute Fan | 12:44 p.m. May 27, 2009
Whew!!! I sure am glad to see we don't have to play Southwest Baptist and
Idaho St again this year. I'd sure hate to lose to them again!! And that
#12 seed Arizona sure was a toughy, too.
re: 12:13 | 1:16 p.m. May 27, 2009
Here's the reality of your claims. NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF
FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL.
BYU is terrific at the intramural events which is where they pad those stats. Congrats to them.
Sorry, but I think the "dominating" in major sports from the Cougars is a figment of your imagination, or maybe something Bronco printed on a T-Shirt and is selling out of the Deseret Industry stores. 5 of 7 in football, which includes 2 BCS wins. Head to head basketball has gone the Cougs way the last few years, and yet they still can't get over that hurdle of ROUND 1 in the NCAA.
Face it, Utah has blown right past BYU and the rest of the MWC.
BYU is terrific at the intramural events which is where they pad those stats. Congrats to them.
Sorry, but I think the "dominating" in major sports from the Cougars is a figment of your imagination, or maybe something Bronco printed on a T-Shirt and is selling out of the Deseret Industry stores. 5 of 7 in football, which includes 2 BCS wins. Head to head basketball has gone the Cougs way the last few years, and yet they still can't get over that hurdle of ROUND 1 in the NCAA.
Face it, Utah has blown right past BYU and the rest of the MWC.
Huge Cougar Fan | 1:17 p.m. May 27, 2009
Whew!!! I sure am glad that Utah doesn't participate in 1/3 of the sports
team we field lest our Conference Championship totals severely drop. And good
thing for sports nobody watches or cares about since that's really the only
sports we dominate in.
I really wish we had the talent, success, and national cache that the Utes have in the sports that people ACTUALLY enjoy WATCHING, but alas, we're just going to have to learn to count our blessings.
Sure, Football and Basketball revenues have been utilized to fund the remainder or our athletic teams, and we haven't even sniffed the degree of success our rivals in SLC have experienced. And sure, our program only has the national following of the LDS culture. Even though our fanbase is the only culture that recognizes the '84 Championship as legitimate, yet the whole nation laudes the Utes for '04 and '08, and we basically have been relegated to "also ran" to them, and...wait...what was my point?
Oh yeah. We suck! We're the top of the mountain of conference "pretenders". I wish I were a Ute.
But alas, I'm but a sad zoob.
I really wish we had the talent, success, and national cache that the Utes have in the sports that people ACTUALLY enjoy WATCHING, but alas, we're just going to have to learn to count our blessings.
Sure, Football and Basketball revenues have been utilized to fund the remainder or our athletic teams, and we haven't even sniffed the degree of success our rivals in SLC have experienced. And sure, our program only has the national following of the LDS culture. Even though our fanbase is the only culture that recognizes the '84 Championship as legitimate, yet the whole nation laudes the Utes for '04 and '08, and we basically have been relegated to "also ran" to them, and...wait...what was my point?
Oh yeah. We suck! We're the top of the mountain of conference "pretenders". I wish I were a Ute.
But alas, I'm but a sad zoob.
re: re: 12:13 = BB + FB champs | 1:48 p.m. May 27, 2009
Did you mean 5 of 7 or did you mean 5 of 10? Why not look at only the last
three years which equates to BYU 2:1 in Football and BYU 3:1 in basketball
(counting the one shared).
Very interesting how Ute fans love to twist stats to show supposed recent trends.
Over the past ten years: BYU and Utah are exactly tied in number of championships in the two sports you note.
Both have exactly four (4) football championships to include shared. And both have exactly five (5) basketball championships to include shared.
Seems like a lot of equity (as it should be), but somehow twisted by typical Ute mentality to favor your favorite team.
Bottom line: both schools are pushing hard to become major national players in not only these two major sports, but in many of the minor sports as well.
Overall dominance-BYU wins hands down.
Please cease trying to twist statistics to show something that exists only in your imagination.
Very interesting how Ute fans love to twist stats to show supposed recent trends.
Over the past ten years: BYU and Utah are exactly tied in number of championships in the two sports you note.
Both have exactly four (4) football championships to include shared. And both have exactly five (5) basketball championships to include shared.
Seems like a lot of equity (as it should be), but somehow twisted by typical Ute mentality to favor your favorite team.
Bottom line: both schools are pushing hard to become major national players in not only these two major sports, but in many of the minor sports as well.
Overall dominance-BYU wins hands down.
Please cease trying to twist statistics to show something that exists only in your imagination.
Phony hype | 2:54 p.m. May 27, 2009
To call this schedule hard is to make a joke of the season. Let's
see--Oklahoma, Michigan and LSU might be tough. USU and WSU would be on the
schedule anyway as instate rivals. Where is the tough schedule in this?
@ 1:48 p.m. | 3:04 p.m. May 27, 2009
How many BCS trophies have BOTH teams earned this past decade?
How many Top-5 Football finishes have BOTH teams earned this past decade?
How many Sweet-16 appearances have BOTH teams played in this past decade?
Overall, who has DOMINATED these accolades? Please answer IF YOU DARE, and use only FACTS, not circular zoobie logic-emotion.
If you fail to respond, I'd consider that a tacit admission of defeat.
How many Top-5 Football finishes have BOTH teams earned this past decade?
How many Sweet-16 appearances have BOTH teams played in this past decade?
Overall, who has DOMINATED these accolades? Please answer IF YOU DARE, and use only FACTS, not circular zoobie logic-emotion.
If you fail to respond, I'd consider that a tacit admission of defeat.
Domination | 4:22 p.m. May 27, 2009
BYU Dominates intramuaral activities, which cost the school money and keeps
regular students active.
Utah has a clear advanatage on a national stage in what matters....Football and Basketball.
You tell me what means more to the two Universities; Winning the Track & Field championship, or Winning a BCS game, twice.
Utah has a clear advanatage on a national stage in what matters....Football and Basketball.
You tell me what means more to the two Universities; Winning the Track & Field championship, or Winning a BCS game, twice.
re: @ 1:48 | 4:40 p.m. May 27, 2009
The only twisted circular logic belongs to you my fine Ute friend.
You continue to point to two great years (and one good year) out of ten. Just as you accuse Cougars of pointing to 1984/1996/2001, you keep dangling 2004 and 2008 in our faces. The only emotion and twisted logic lies with you and your on-going inferiority complex-trying to keep up with your beloved rivals to the south. Typical little brother syndrome (aka Avis syndrome) always wanting what big brother already has.
And we admit that the two best years EVER for Utah have been in the last five years-of course mingled in with a couple of mediocre years. Utah is indeed making huge strides in its athletic department and we congratulate you on your two BCS victories. No doubt that BYU will have BCS trophies of its own within the next few years. Count on it!
But remember who it was that set the pace for the WAC/MWC/Utah with a dominant nationally respected football program for the majority of three decades.
Personally welcome the re-emergence of both programs on the national level and hope it continues for many years.
You continue to point to two great years (and one good year) out of ten. Just as you accuse Cougars of pointing to 1984/1996/2001, you keep dangling 2004 and 2008 in our faces. The only emotion and twisted logic lies with you and your on-going inferiority complex-trying to keep up with your beloved rivals to the south. Typical little brother syndrome (aka Avis syndrome) always wanting what big brother already has.
And we admit that the two best years EVER for Utah have been in the last five years-of course mingled in with a couple of mediocre years. Utah is indeed making huge strides in its athletic department and we congratulate you on your two BCS victories. No doubt that BYU will have BCS trophies of its own within the next few years. Count on it!
But remember who it was that set the pace for the WAC/MWC/Utah with a dominant nationally respected football program for the majority of three decades.
Personally welcome the re-emergence of both programs on the national level and hope it continues for many years.
RE: BB + FB Champs | 5:02 p.m. May 27, 2009
So mr. Zoob, you say the utes and Cougs have exactly four football championships
to include shared. I seem to recall, and tell me if I am wrong here the utes
have 6. Those one bowls that you hear so much about. Ya know the Fiesta, and
Sugar Bowl Championships. The one's that really count. Oh and how many
undefeated seasons do the Utes football team have in the past decade. two, adn
YBU has how many.... HMMM... I'm waiting! No Response. I guess that means
ZERO.
re: 4:40 | 5:14 p.m. May 27, 2009
"Count on it!"
This years "Quest For Perfection."
We all know how that prediction ended.
So either you think BYU will upset Oklahoma, FSU, TCU and Utah this year to go undefeated, or you think Riley Neilson will lead you to a BCS game once Maxie leaves.
Not sure which one of those is more ridiculous. I'll leave that to you to decide.
This years "Quest For Perfection."
We all know how that prediction ended.
So either you think BYU will upset Oklahoma, FSU, TCU and Utah this year to go undefeated, or you think Riley Neilson will lead you to a BCS game once Maxie leaves.
Not sure which one of those is more ridiculous. I'll leave that to you to decide.
Living in the past | 7:03 p.m. May 27, 2009
Ever since Utah became an (occasional) football powerhouse-oh about five years
ago, it always accused BYU fans of living in the past-now look at
yourselves-sounding just like your kissing cousins down in Provo.
Be interesting to see what half-Whitt comes up with this year to replace BJ and the boys. You can rest assured that there will not be any BCS bowl or top ten finish this next year or three. Ain't gonna happen! Another year or two of mediocrity before another breakout season. Better make your reservations now for Fort Worth or San Fran.
Be interesting to see what half-Whitt comes up with this year to replace BJ and the boys. You can rest assured that there will not be any BCS bowl or top ten finish this next year or three. Ain't gonna happen! Another year or two of mediocrity before another breakout season. Better make your reservations now for Fort Worth or San Fran.
RE: Living in the past | 11:06 p.m. May 27, 2009
For the blue bloods remember what Satchel Paige said, " Don't look
back..someone might be gaining on ya ".
It is so pitiful reading the Yners notes about their glory years. How about another cliche of " Get over it " , or how about, " Live for today " !
It is so pitiful reading the Yners notes about their glory years. How about another cliche of " Get over it " , or how about, " Live for today " !
@ 4:40 | 6:36 a.m. May 28, 2009
I said "...use only FACTS, not circular zoobie logic-emotion" but you
couldn't do that. In other words, you've admitted defeat and
inferiority to the Utes.
The poster to whom I was responding, Mr. "re: re: 12:13 = BB + FB champs | 1:48 p.m. May 27, 2009" was speaking in the terms of the last decade; or in other words, from the genesis of the MWC to the present. The only reason you bring up the WAC is because you have accomplished NOTHING in the MWC. Even in 2001, you couldn't beat a ranked team. Nor could you finish undefeated. '06 and '07 were simply just more of the same -- can't go undefeated, can't win the big game, and can't beat a ranked opponent. Except of course for the '06 TCU squad, who the Utes beat as well. You have done NOTHING! And your bowl record still stinks.
Make no mistake: During the period of the last decade, since the inception of the MWC, the Utes have racked up more wins over BCS teams than any non-AQ program. And more bowl wins.
And are the 11th winningest program in Div. 1-A.
The poster to whom I was responding, Mr. "re: re: 12:13 = BB + FB champs | 1:48 p.m. May 27, 2009" was speaking in the terms of the last decade; or in other words, from the genesis of the MWC to the present. The only reason you bring up the WAC is because you have accomplished NOTHING in the MWC. Even in 2001, you couldn't beat a ranked team. Nor could you finish undefeated. '06 and '07 were simply just more of the same -- can't go undefeated, can't win the big game, and can't beat a ranked opponent. Except of course for the '06 TCU squad, who the Utes beat as well. You have done NOTHING! And your bowl record still stinks.
Make no mistake: During the period of the last decade, since the inception of the MWC, the Utes have racked up more wins over BCS teams than any non-AQ program. And more bowl wins.
And are the 11th winningest program in Div. 1-A.
Bitter, bitter zoobs | 7:26 a.m. May 28, 2009
To all zoobs who want to incorporate their WAC records into their MWC
"legacy", I'd like to point out that, as was mentioned, during
the last decade, the Utes are the 11th winningest program in Div. 1-A. The tdS
isn't even in the Top-20. In other words, without your WAC years, you
might as well be Wyoming.
Serious question here: Do zoobs who like to point to their heyday of the '80s as evidence of "program dominance" want to postulate the WAC of yore was a more competitive conference than the MWC of today? Hmmm? Zoobs? What say you?
Serious question here: Do zoobs who like to point to their heyday of the '80s as evidence of "program dominance" want to postulate the WAC of yore was a more competitive conference than the MWC of today? Hmmm? Zoobs? What say you?
Poor deluded Yewties | 11:20 a.m. May 28, 2009
Not sure what you don't understand about BYU's five MWC basketball
championships and four MWC football championships in the past decade.
Go ahead Mr. Yewt-totally ignore BYU's 83 total MWC championships compared to Utahs 16 total. Oh sure, not all sports are created equally you note, but overall it sure sounds like total DOMINANCE. And in the sports that count in your eyes (FB-BB) the two schools are dead even over the past decade while the Cougs lead the last three seasons.
We understand how difficult it is for you to understand basic math, as well as to need to try so hard to compensate for your inferiority complex, but get a grip buddy.
Actually, except for deluded yewties like yourself the Utah athletic program is making remarkable strides and we congratulate you (not you personally) but the university.
Go ahead Mr. Yewt-totally ignore BYU's 83 total MWC championships compared to Utahs 16 total. Oh sure, not all sports are created equally you note, but overall it sure sounds like total DOMINANCE. And in the sports that count in your eyes (FB-BB) the two schools are dead even over the past decade while the Cougs lead the last three seasons.
We understand how difficult it is for you to understand basic math, as well as to need to try so hard to compensate for your inferiority complex, but get a grip buddy.
Actually, except for deluded yewties like yourself the Utah athletic program is making remarkable strides and we congratulate you (not you personally) but the university.
Re: Poor deluded... | 12:13 p.m. May 28, 2009
"And in the sports that count in your eyes (FB-BB) the two schools are dead
even over the past decade while the Cougs lead the last three seasons. We
understand how difficult it is for you to understand basic math."
Basic Math: The Utes beat the tdS in Football in 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008. That's 6 wins, 4 losses. 6 > 4. Therefore the tdS is 2 games short of reaching "dead even" status with the Utes. Ha ha!
The tdS HAS gone 2-1 vs the Utes during the last 3 yrs, BUT the UTES lead the last SEVEN games 5-2. You can have your "2-1" record; I'd rather cling to our "5-2". Ya know what? Here's some more "basic math" for ya..."5-2" > "2-1".
There's also "2-0" in BCS Bowl games > "0-0".
"8-game postseason WINNING streak" > "1-game postseason LOSING streak".
"0.786 postseason record" > "0.333 postseason record"
Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah Math!
Poor deluded zoobs!
GO UTES!!!
Basic Math: The Utes beat the tdS in Football in 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2008. That's 6 wins, 4 losses. 6 > 4. Therefore the tdS is 2 games short of reaching "dead even" status with the Utes. Ha ha!
The tdS HAS gone 2-1 vs the Utes during the last 3 yrs, BUT the UTES lead the last SEVEN games 5-2. You can have your "2-1" record; I'd rather cling to our "5-2". Ya know what? Here's some more "basic math" for ya..."5-2" > "2-1".
There's also "2-0" in BCS Bowl games > "0-0".
"8-game postseason WINNING streak" > "1-game postseason LOSING streak".
"0.786 postseason record" > "0.333 postseason record"
Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah Math!
Poor deluded zoobs!
GO UTES!!!
BYU dominates in...... | 1:33 p.m. May 28, 2009
All of the activities sponsored by the college to appease intramural
athletes.
Yay Cougars!
You argument is like saying that China has the best athletes in the world. Didn't they win the Badminton, Table Tennis, Fencing, Water Aerobics and Synchronized Diving Gold Medals this last Olympics?
Only a BYU fan would brag about Track & Field titles. Do you think University of Florida fans talk about SEC titles they've won in swimming? No, only the Cougars do.
I used to think Cougar fans still living in 1984 were ridiculous, but you my friend have taken that title from them. At least 1984 involves an actual "Sport."
Yay Cougars!
You argument is like saying that China has the best athletes in the world. Didn't they win the Badminton, Table Tennis, Fencing, Water Aerobics and Synchronized Diving Gold Medals this last Olympics?
Only a BYU fan would brag about Track & Field titles. Do you think University of Florida fans talk about SEC titles they've won in swimming? No, only the Cougars do.
I used to think Cougar fans still living in 1984 were ridiculous, but you my friend have taken that title from them. At least 1984 involves an actual "Sport."
#1 Ute fan | 4:51 p.m. May 29, 2009
And you can add the 2009 National Championship for our beloved Red Rocks
women's gymnastics team. They said they would win the National
Championship, and they totally did. Isn't that right?
I'm hoping we can find a big tall center from Australia again this year. They have been magical for us in the past. Isn't that right, mate?
I'm hoping we can find a big tall center from Australia again this year. They have been magical for us in the past. Isn't that right, mate?
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