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Doug Robinson: Miss California spoke for silent majority

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Brian | 12:08 a.m. April 28, 2009

"Political correctness" is about taking from another one of our most precious freedoms, the freedom of speech. Intimidation and coercion are the tactics of those who can not win the argument with reason and civility.

NotmissNCorCalifan | 12:12 a.m. April 28, 2009

She randomly picked the judge as well as the question that came along with the judge. She also did not answer the question fully of whether each state should legalize same sex marriage. She just gave her opinion based on how she was raised not stating if other states should follow suit. Watch the video, she picked the judge and see if she answers the question.

Stenar | 1:28 a.m. April 28, 2009

HARDLY! Y'all are a very loud MINORITY.

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Why? | 4:57 a.m. April 28, 2009

Why do we feel obligated to make idiots like Hilton into celebrities?
What have they done to earn the honor of judging a pageant, let alone getting media air time?
I attended the Miss America pageant where Kayla Barclay (Miss Utah) competed and was impressed with the judges and their respect for the contestants. This just goes to show that the Miss America organization is head and shoulders above Miss USA.
The reigning Miss America won after singing a religious song for her talent. Wouldn't have happened at Miss USA.

John | 5:17 a.m. April 28, 2009

I for one congratulate Miss California. Shame on the person who asked the question to set a trap. The LBTGs movement is feeling a little "heady" because of what they see are victories for gay rights. I personally am getting quite tired of this small minority group with so much to say and so morally berift in saying it.

Spoc | 5:25 a.m. April 28, 2009

It appears to me that the Pageant Staff is as much at fault as Hilton (real name is Mario Lavandeira). He has done very little professionally but push the gay agenda and by choosing him for the judging panel, they knew he would play that hand. They are the ones that should be apologizing to the American public for sacrificing their program for a political agenda. And then to ask her to retract her honest answer? They have lost all credibility in being able to run an honest contest.

Dan M. | 7:15 a.m. April 28, 2009

You are absolutely correct, Doug.

Prejean, thank you for your courage, your honesty, and your morality. You do represent the majority, although, as Doug said, certain factions would have you believe otherwise.

The crown you lost is soiled, and is therefore probably something you don't want to wear anyway.

@NotmissNCorCalifan | 7:34 a.m. April 28, 2009

Isn't it a little dishonest to say that "she" picked the judge and the question. She had nothing to do with who asked the question or what the question would be. Donald Trump says the publicity created by this fiasco was good for his Miss USA pageant. Any contest rests on the fairness and validity of the judges and the process. Mr. Trump exposed his pageant as possessing neither.

Silent Majority? | 8:22 a.m. April 28, 2009

That's about an accurate statement as original reporting by Doug Robinson.

puh- leeze.... | 8:32 a.m. April 28, 2009

if you watch the video she picked a card out of a bowl for the question, so it was hardly "set-up".

also, like stenar said, I would hardly classify the anti-gay marriage people as "silent"....

Jesse Harris | 8:42 a.m. April 28, 2009

How is it that Perez Hilton, a man who makes his living saying atrociously offensive things about other people, can be so easily offended by a simple statement of opinion free of the profanity, name-calling, and obscene pictures he so heavily relies on? I think he doth protest too much.

Mom | 8:53 a.m. April 28, 2009

I'm not a fan of pageants; however, Miss California caught the attention of our family. We discussed with admiration how she handled herself against the agenda and intolerance of a minority who imposes reverse discrimination. My children were very impressed with her courage and poise as she stood as a witness in defense of her beliefs. We don't care that she didn't win the silly crown. She is a winner in our eyes. Thanks, Miss California, for being a role model in a world where very few exist anymore.

If you don't stand for something | 9:08 a.m. April 28, 2009

You'll fall for anything. It's so important to stand up for your moral beliefs. I applaud her for not rescinding her statement! Most people never have to face that kind of pressure on their values, and I think what she did was admirable.

Utah | 10:39 a.m. April 28, 2009

the great thing about this whole fiasco is that Miss California would not get the attention she has if she would have gone against her principals and said the PC answer. By stangind up for what is right, she has had 100 times the amount of publicity she would have had even if she would have won the pagent. I usually don't care at all about Miss USA, Miss America, Miss Universe or whatever, I think it is all stupid. But because she stood up for what is right, I actually have followed her in interviews and read articles like this one that I normally would have skipped over

Jenny | 11:09 a.m. April 28, 2009

If they win based on looks and not brain, then it was obvious she lacked brains based on the way she answered. Her answer was clumsy - then again it fit the "blonde" mentality

Hatuletoh | 11:28 a.m. April 28, 2009

Beauty pageants? They still hold beauty pageants? And the opinion of one the contestants about a straw-man social issue made the news? Did some science experiment go horribly awry and teleport then entire world back 1952? Wow, daddy-o. Far out.

encore for Hat | 12:02 p.m. April 28, 2009

Right on Hatuletoh. I think Robinson missed the reality boat.

Re: Jesse Harris | 12:35 p.m. April 28, 2009

It's called cognitive dissonance.

CobaltBlue | 12:36 p.m. April 28, 2009

Miss California has the guts and courage to say what she believes in front of the entire nation. This "politically correct" movement has gone too far. The gays, who represent a tiny minority of citizens nationwide, have become belligerent little crybabies whenever someone exercises his right to free speech. As citizens of the United States, the gays ought to respect the Constitution and honor our right to state what we believe, but they do not. THE GAYS APPARENTLY BELIEVE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE SPEECH. FURTHER, THEY USE THE MEDIA TO STEP ON THE REST OF US. What about Miss California's rights? What about MY rights? Where is the justice in THAT?? It's my Constitution, too.

The majority will find its voice | 1:20 p.m. April 28, 2009

What will happen if the vocal minority continues screaming too loudly?

rsp | 1:30 p.m. April 28, 2009

wow Doug!I'm glad you're not afraid to stand up to the gay mafia. They'll be coming for you next.

Re: CobaltBlue | 1:50 p.m. April 28, 2009

Your rights? You have rights! What about the people who are denied basic employment protections, legal protections, hospital visitation rights, adoption rights, etc., etc. because of who they are? Miss California has every right to speak her mind, but so does everybody else.

Veni, vidi, vici. | 1:55 p.m. April 28, 2009

Miss California has the right to express her opinion that is freedom of speech. I have the right to tell her she is wrong that is freedom of speech.

It's not the Gay's fault that more and more people are coming to realize that being hateful, bigoted, and acting superior towards Gays is wrong, That Gays aren't out to get anybody and are really no different from everyone else in that they want to live their lives with someoney they love...
there-by creating a small minority(I refuse to call it a silent one) of people who thinks it's perfectly Ok.

Anonymous | 2:00 p.m. April 28, 2009

just a question... I'm not saying I agree with him, but doesn't Perez Hilton have freedom of speech as well???

mamiejane | 2:21 p.m. April 28, 2009

Ummm..did anyone listen to how badly Miss California expressed herself. She was an embarrassment to anyone with an education who knows how to put words together into a sentence. Pro-life or pro-choice, the idea that someone that inarticulate could come close to winning puts the pageant world and conservative values to shame.

ABC DVM PhD MD MPH | 2:25 p.m. April 28, 2009

WHAT??? Robinson, you mean you didn't watch the NBA playoffs? Instead, you decided to watch a beauty pageant? I hope that you haven't switched teams on us real men. WHOO-RAW!!! Grunt, grunt.

By the way, did you happen to hear the winner's answer to the same question that Miss Cal was blindsided with? If you would take the time to look at different aspects of the story you might be more appreciative of the situation. Real men do those kind of things you know.

realitycheck | 2:30 p.m. April 28, 2009

what's really funny is that Miss California thinks she lost the pagent because of her answer on same-sex marriage.

The fact is, she could barely put 10 words together for a sentence, so she shouldn't win, and didn't win.

She (and you) can talk all you want that she lost due to her answer on same-sex marriage, but the fact is, she was an attractive dim bulb. Maybe she should run for governor of Alaska...

Funny | 2:46 p.m. April 28, 2009

Here is something interesting and funny -

This controversy is over one person using his right of free speech to state that he disagrees with the comment someone else made when exercising her right to free speech.

She has a right to her opinion.
He has a right to his opinion.
Nobody is shutting anybody up.
Both of them are getting airtime for their respective causes.

Ya'all have been played...

so sad | 2:54 p.m. April 28, 2009

I feel bad for the mormons and other strict religions. 20 yrs ago, everyone would be commenting in your favor and against gays.

now you're lucky to have one or two that agree with you. It must make you sad to see the world changing before your very eyes, in a way you disapprove of...

welcome to our planet, and the 21st century. You'll get used to it...

thanks to Miss California | 3:03 p.m. April 28, 2009

Very very thankful for Miss California standing up for morality, and Christian values amidst a nauseating sewer of left wing political correctness. What Miss California did will live on well into the future and will provide a shinning example for millions of young women who are struggling with their core values. Geez, this is what America is all about - defying the odds and standing up for the what is right. This was a "Mr Smith goes to Washington" moment were James Stewart played the freshman congressman who had to stand up for what was right amidst congressional corruption. This beautiful young women showed how a woman can be both beautiful on the outside and morally strong on the inside. What a great moment in America!!

Re: Veni, vidi, vici | 3:10 p.m. April 28, 2009

Miss California has a right to express her opinion. You have a right to express yours, HOWEVER, you don't have the right to say her opinion is WRONG. So get off of your hypocritical, hateful horse and understand that YOU don't define right and wrong. YOU have your opinion. She has hers and I have mine. There is ONE who can define right and wrong... we've been over this one a hundred times so I won't rehash it, but understand that you CANNOT say she was wrong. Only that her opinion differs from yours. We'll save the "right" and "wrong" discussion for another day (since we have these posts about every other week it seems like.)

Pete in Texas

It's funny | 4:43 p.m. April 28, 2009

watching bigotted gays call the rest of us bigots. By the way, marriage is not a right, it's a privilege, thats why you have to get a license to do it.

to Re: Veni, vidi, vici | 3:10 p | 5:00 p.m. April 28, 2009

["Miss California has a right to express her opinion. You have a right to express yours, HOWEVER, you don't have the right to say her opinion is WRONG."]

of course the poster has a right to say Miss California's opinion is wrong. Just like I can say your opinion is wrong. It's called free speech.

live with it, Pete.

Veni, vidi, vici. | 5:26 p.m. April 28, 2009

"Miss California has a right to express her opinion. You have a right to express yours, HOWEVER, you don't have the right to say her opinion is WRONG."

Yes I do *rolls eyes* It's my opinion that she is wrong...I wonder... Do you feel that i'm WRONG???

"There is ONE who can define right and wrong..."

Yeah, Apparently you...

re - It's funny | 4:43 p.m | 5:29 p.m. April 28, 2009

["By the way, marriage is not a right, it's a privilege, thats why you have to get a license to do it."]

fine - it's a privilege. so you can't withhold privileges simply because you disagree with someone.

it's a privilege to sit at the front of the bus too...

to Pete | 6:05 p.m. April 28, 2009

you crack me up... and since the ONE that can define right and wrong (I assume you mean God) hasn't had anything new to say in a couple of thousand years, and the old writings don't address this issue, it's really just your opinion, now isn't it...

Re: to Pete @6:05 | 6:44 a.m. April 29, 2009

If you are assuming that God HASN'T said anything about the gay issue, then you obviously aren't reading the same Bible I am. (King James version BTW...) He did have a pretty strong opinion of it back then and that is the funny thing about right and wrong.... just because it's a couple of thousand years later, THOSE words and what they represent, NEVER change. I can almost hear your conversation with your parents as a kid:

Parents: "Why did you steal that candy?"

You: "I wanted it."

Parents" "Haven't we told you it was wrong to steal?"

You: "Duh... like 2 years ago. How am I supposed to stay current on what's wrong and right unless you tell me every week??"

To the other posters that said I'm deciding about what is wrong and right, you need to re-read my post. I don't define right and wrong. Anything I come up with, (and that you come up with for that matter), are opinions against or for right and wrong. Those values have already been set. Now we voice our OPINIONS about them.... but they won't change.

Pete in Texas

To Pete in Texas | 8:33 a.m. April 29, 2009

In reference to your 6:44 post this morning: There are a great many things mentioned in the King James version of the Bible that we, as a society, no longer practice.

We no longer enslave our enemies, we wear mixed fabrics, parents don't beat their children to death for sassing them, and men no longer marry their brother's widows. (Just to name a few...)

Where in the Bible does it ever say those things no longer have to be practiced but other things do? How do we know what still applies and what doesn't?

TO -Re: to Pete @6:05 | 6:44 a.m | 10:02 a.m. April 29, 2009

["If you are assuming that God HASN'T said anything about the gay issue, then you obviously aren't reading the same Bible I am."]

you assume God wrote the bible, when in fact men wrote the bible. And you assume the people that translated the bible got it right, when it's been translated from multiple different languages.

The greeks had a specific word for gays, and that word is found no where in the greek translations of the bible. why is that?

realitycheck | 10:04 a.m. April 29, 2009

Pete -
If God thought being gay was wrong, He wouldn't have made 2%-3% of the population gay.... what about that do you not understand?

Re: comment @8:33 | 10:19 a.m. April 29, 2009

I'm a little fuzzy on what you are saying..... you're saying that God says homosexual relationships are right? Yeah, I DEFINITELY have a different bible than yours.
As for my comments, I still stand behind what I said. Your opinion and my opinion are obviously at odds. However, you seem to have such an inflated ego that you are willing to tell someone else that their opinion is wrong while your opinion is right. That is the problem with the gay agenda. They have no way of saying their cause is "right/correct". They can argue that they have a LEGAL right to state their opinion. So do I. However, they cannot say their opinion is any more "right" than mine. If all we need to do to determine if something is "right" is to vote on it, then we've changed the meaning of "right" to mean "popular" or "what the crowd likes to do" and the word "right" loses it's meaning. So don't pretend that you can tell me Ms. California's opinion was wrong. It was opposite of yours. That is all you can say.

Pete in Texas

Anonymous | 10:38 a.m. April 29, 2009

If there IS a "silent majority" like this, the best thing that could happen is for them to STAY SILENT!

Dave | 10:43 a.m. April 29, 2009

What is wrong with our society when the freaks are the ones dictating what is ok to say out loud in public. I told my kids after I heard about this pageant that if anyone ever asked them their opinion they should be honest and tell whoever is asking the truth, regardless of what the reaction may be. Too many people are afraid to say the truth, and the truth hurts those who are wrong, but the truth has to be trumpeted and defended. Good for Ms. California!!!!!

Katelyn | 10:44 a.m. April 29, 2009

Thanks for your courage, Miss California! If the gay agenda would be up front and be happy with civil unions, I would support that. But they, themselves, have stated that they work towards the legalization of marriage in all states! Civil Unions are the crack in the doorway to getting that!And there's nothing "civil" about what they do to people who disagree with them.

Big Texan? | 10:45 a.m. April 29, 2009

Pete,

I guess they are right, everyting IS bigger in Texas, including the ignorance!

"That is the problem with the gay agenda. They have no way of saying their cause is "right/correct"."

The "opinion" of gays and lesbians is simply this: As citizens of the United States of America, they should enjoy equal protection under the laws. They should not be discriminated against on the basis of their private preferences (whether sexual, religious, or political) that have nothing to do with taxes, benefits, and all the other privileges heterosexuals enjoy through the rite of marriage.

That moral stand is unassailable. It is not a mere opinion. It is the fundamental principle upon which this nation was founded and upon which hundreds of nations have now built their forms of democracy.

That is not a "legal" position, nor a "religious" position. It is a MORAL position and one against which you fight in vain because all you can foist against it are religious bigotry and personal OPINION (called "faith").

I hope someday Texans such as yourself and GWBush grow something big besides EGO and BIG-OTRY!

ironic | 10:53 a.m. April 29, 2009

Hollywood used to complain about Joseph McCarthy's bully tactics - now they have perfected them for use in their own causes.

Anonymous 10:38 is a great example of the hypocrisy.

Ease up on the hate...... | 11:23 a.m. April 29, 2009

Sheesh folks... it may be time for some of ya'll to take your meds.

I'll get to each of you as quick as I can-

Re: realitycheck-
So you're ready to equate the condition a person is born with to whether or not God believes it's right? Using that arguement; explain cancer, leukemia, SMA. Not a very solid response.

Re: Big Texan,
You're assuming that there should be "rights" afforded any individuals that are of a like-mind. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't have an issue with gay's having civil unions. I don't agree with homosexual lifestyles since they are perverse (look it up in Websters) nor do I agree with the fact that they can adopt children and bring them into their perverse lifestyles leading them to think it's normal. If they want to get joined as partners for the rest of their lives, I don't care. I DO care when they try to portray it as normal and right.

I don't hate gays.... just their ideas of "entitlement" for perverse behavior.

Pete in Texas

realitycheck | 12:14 p.m. April 29, 2009

and your idea of "perverse behavior" is what others consider perfectly normal. Since 2%-3% of all people born are gay, you are saying that 2%-3% of all people born are perverse.

so while you may be stuck in the old days where everyone was the same and gays hid in the closet, I guess 2%-3% of the population has had enough of the hiding, and would like to be treated just like every one else. And if you can't understand that, then you are not really thinking with your brain, you are thinking with your bible.

I just hope none of your kids or grandkids are gay, because you will make them feel like dirt their entire lives, just to feed your need that everyone be just like you. how sad.

Marriage rocks! | 12:33 p.m. April 29, 2009

Traditional marriage is the way to go...the problem with other types of marriage is that they lead to uncivilized societies and the breakdown of families...which is what forms the backbone of our civilized world.

wrong reality check | 12:55 p.m. April 29, 2009

2%-3% of humans decide they are gay, or decide that being gay feels better because now you don't have a moral diemma. You don't have to worry about doing the wrong thing morally because you already have.

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