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Viking Fan | 8:37 p.m. Feb. 2, 2009

Way to get back to the top, PG! But why is Lone Peak ranked ahead of Skyline?

Panther Fan | 9:18 p.m. Feb. 2, 2009

I love you boys!!!

Just make sure you don't get too confidant.

I'm Just a Girl but... | 9:41 p.m. Feb. 2, 2009

Bingham jumped 5 spots after winning one game... thats impressive... gotta love the ranking system

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Skyline? | 10:25 p.m. Feb. 2, 2009

Why is Lone Peak ranked ahead of Skyline? Because Lone Peak is better? I don't know seems pretty logical to me... Why do you think Skyline should be ranked ahead of Lone Peak is the real question. I would love to hear an explanation for that.

Tiger | 10:45 p.m. Feb. 2, 2009

Please explain to me why PG, with wins over spanish fork and timpanogas, goes from #9 to #4? Are those impressive victories? They have lost 5 games and will lose their 6th to LP on friday. They are rated 4th? Orem has only lost two games, and beat spanish fork by 27 points and PG beat them by 8. Orem beat Timpanogas @ Timpanogas by 12 and PG won by 12 so why are they ranked so far ahead of orem who is 10th. Also Orem's two losses have come from #1 rated Provo, and a close game to timpview @ timpview where things just didnt go their way (refs) and only lost by 2.... doesn't make sense.

Jazzfan | 12:59 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

I can't wait to see someone on Alta step up as a leader on offense. Once this happens, Alta will be a much better team. Everyone needs to stop complaining about these rankings. They mean nothing. Win games, that means something. Go Alta!

Big Bear | 6:21 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Maybe next year B.R. should just schedule all non-league games???? You just play the schedule that you have. By the way maybe these 5A teams should be ranked higher than Provo, after all they are only playing 4A teams!......Same logic?

D News Ranking System Flawed | 7:02 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

The D News Ranking system is not a good predictor of the states teams. PG should not be ranked third in 5A especially after only winnin two games over very mediocre teams last week. Does anyone remember how PG was dismantled by Riverton? How are they ranked above them especially with more losses. On the same note, how is Bingham ranked above Riverton when Riverton beat them? The system has no merits and a Kindergartner pulling names out of a hat could come up with a better ranking sceme! PG will lose this week which will knock them down again (or maybe not with how these rankings go)!

Dartman | 7:08 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

OK... so Davis loses a close one on the road against a really solid Clearfield squad and they drop 8 spots from 6th to 14th. Riverton, on the other hand, loses a tough OT game on their home floor to a not-so-solid, in fact pretty bad, Copper Hills team and they only slide 2 spots to #6. Nice one Dnews.

Skyline & Lone Peak | 7:10 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Lone Peak's only loss in the state of Utah was @ Provo in double OT. Its pretty obvious right now who the best team is in 5A.

Wow! | 7:17 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Who cares just go out and support your team, why do the rankings have to be exactly how you think they should be? So you can brag about it at work or chrch??? Get Real!! And just enjoy the season!

RE: Dartman | 7:41 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Let me start by saying that I am not a CH fan in any way, shape or form. They are alot better team than any one in region 3 would have thought at the beginning of the year. If you take a close look at Davis you will see that they have only beaten 1 ranked team in the 5 games they have had against ranked teams. I think you should be happy with the ranking you have if you look at how they have played against randed teams. Clearfield is not much better they also have only 1 win in 3 games against ranked teams. A 25% winning record is not that good. CH has that percentage also. Davis and Clearfield each have more winns than CH only because you play in a week region. If every team played cupcakes they would all have 11-3 and 10-4 records. Case in point 6 of those 7 loses are against ranked teams

Problems | 7:50 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

D. News rankings are flat out bad. It seems to be the same mentalilty as the individuals that are running the BCS! After Riverton beats Bingham this Friday for the third time in a row will the D. News/BCS logic put Riverton at #10? Come on, PG at #4. Right now Jordan, West, or Bear River could destroy PG, straight up!

Re: Wow! | 8:06 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

If you don't like what you read about the rankings stay out of the comments section and just take your team flag and go wave it on Friday night!

Know Facts | 8:14 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Riverton lost at Copper Hills. All these rankings are for is to sell ad space it does not mean anything. It all gets settle on the court at the state tornament.

PG | 8:24 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

I am going to agree that the P.G. ranking is a joke! Their league is so weak this year that P.G. is almost guaranteed 6 wins just by playing AF, Timp, and Spanish Fork. They cannot beat Lone Peak, and they have proven that they cannot beat quality teams from other 5A leagues. (Other than Alta, they have lost every game against a DNews ranked quality opponent in the top 15.) Not only are they ranked too high, but they are not deserving of a top 10 ranking in my opinion. Riverton absolutely dismantled P.G. and they are ranked ahead of Riverton? It makes no sense. Oh wait, I think P.G. has a guy going to Washington.... ah, now it makes sense!

RE: Problems | 8:25 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Wow I have to agree. Riverton has beaten Bingham and PG but both are ranked ahead of Riverton. It might be because Riverton is more team players than individuals. The D. News loves the teams that have an individual that will shoot 100 times a game to score 30 points. PG has been beaten by 5 teams that are ranked and only beaten two ranked teams, not very immpressive for the #3 ranked team in the state.

Jag man | 9:11 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Watch out the jags are going to start clicking come tourney time and i still see them as a contender in the tournament race.

Anonymous | 9:26 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Riverton lost at Copper Hills, in fact to a very good Copper Hills team. Why don't you come watch them play before you make assumptions about how good they are. Don't worry though, you'll get that chance. CH will take the deceiving 4th seed (seeing as how tough the region is compared to region 1) from region 3 and play the 1st seed from region 1, which will either be Davis or Clearfield. I smell an upset coming.....
Riverton did not have a bad game, they played very well. This was a hard fought game between two very good teams and Copper Hills happened to come out on top. If you are going to make an argument between Davis, why don't you refer to Riverton's loss at home to Viewmont, and very close wins at Hillcrest and Weber? Those are alot more telling than the OT loss to CH.

point and case... | 9:27 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Amen Big Bear, Amen!

Hurricane? | 9:34 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Granted, the Tigers have won 9 straight but let's recall they got beat by #18 Lehi by 30 back in December. I can't believe they could make it a game with my Pioneer team even though we've dropped games this past week. Look at the strength of schedule!

PG Fan | 10:07 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

if you wanna complain about the refs being bad for orem your a joke. go watch film of pg's games then you'll actually see bad reffing pg would beat any team out there the way they are playing now they played their scrubs against spanish and cjdidnt even play, they were up 23 the whole game against timp until they put the jv in at the end so quit complaining about pgs ranking they are a very good team

I'll put it all to rest... | 10:14 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

by saying this: if your team has played Spanish Fork and you have not won by at least 20, that team of yours is not good.

re: Big Bear from Provo student | 10:18 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

i Think the reason Provo is ranked above all the 5a teams is becaue they are better than any one in the state. They beat Lone Peak, Pleasant Grove and all of their region and now have to go back through it. Talk all the crap you want about Provo but they are better than any lame LP team and sorry Haws to beat you two years in a row. I personally thought it to be funny that alot of people compare Haws to Kyle Collinsworth. Yes Haws is good but he is a senior, Kyle on the other hand is a junior and has some very impressive skills that he will develop this year and hopefully carry next years team to another championship. making it drury's 10th, when they win his 9th this year.... Same logic? NO! and D news ranking system is spot on! they do a wonderful job! Good job guys!

Ding Dong | 10:19 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Jags have 3 Division 1 players and have 4 losses? They got blown out by Bingham? Who has a young team? This tells me these players are a lil overrated if your a D1 prospect you should be dominating and having 3 on the same team you should be killing teams

Refs?/ | 10:32 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

I love complaints about referees in any sport. The fact is that players and coaches are at a much higher level both in skills and knowledge than the referees in any given sport. "if you cant play and cant coach then might as well ref" I will admit that there are a handful of officials out there that have actually played and understand the sport they are involved in, but the vast majority have absolutely no clue what they are doing.

PGHS | 10:35 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

GOTTA GO WITH THE HOT HAND. PG has bee playing very well lately, and has that balance that it needs to wins games. It's not just C.J. anymore like it was. Other people are finally starting to step up.

Tiger | 10:39 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Pleasant Grove is a good team but NOT #4. They have 5 losses. Soon to be 6 loses, against L.P. on Friday. We had our scrubs in too against spanish and Timp. Dont be an irrational homer for PG.

Tiger | 10:42 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

And why if PG is so good do they have 5 losses? I'll check back later for your answer.

Anonymous | 10:55 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

They didn't play their scrubs. They were lucky to win that game. If a couple of calls had gone SF's way, and some shots gone down PG would have lost, CJ was hurt! Probably a good thing. Spanish isn't as good as they have been in the past, but those group of Boys are a lot of fun to watch because they play so hard. A lot of teams could learn a lot from these boys. Keep it up DONS! You've been fun to watch all year.

Provo v. LP | 11:06 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Too bad we won't get to see a rematch. Collinsworth is a nice player, but to say he is better than Haws is kinda ridiculous don't you think? Yeah he has one more year to develop, but let's talk next year at this time if you want to compare. These two are most likely going to play together at the next level in about 4 years...so that will be fun to watch!

I'll just throw this out.. | 11:08 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Kyle Collinsworth is better than haws..... last year provo beat them as well as this year... dont say supporting cast is the reason they won either because last year LP was stacked and still lost, and this year LP is still up there with personel. Im no LP or Provo fan either. So i think its fair to make that opinion.

Re: I'll just throw this out... | 11:19 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Have you seen either Haws or Collinsworth play? You say Collinsworth is better, but your reason makes no sense! Is it because he is a better shooter, athlete, defender, team player, transition player? What is it? Because his team won two times? Watch each of them play numerous times and then "just throw it out there". Anybody else have an opinion on who is better that knows what they are talking about?

Coach | 12:15 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

I've played against both players, and right now I would give the nod to Haws because he is a year older and plays more under control. That doesn't mean that Collinsworth won't be better this same time nest year. They are two similar, but different players. I would love to see both of them play with eachother though, that would be a lot of fun, especially in Rose's System. They would sure be a tough backcourt fo any team to handle.

Provo, WOW!!! | 12:31 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Provo is ranked 14th in the nation!

Way to go Bulldogs!

Those who knows | 12:43 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

All you need to look at to know that Collinsworth is better is who is recruiting him. Haws committed to BYU. Fine, that is a decent D1 team. Collinsworth is being recruited by major teams in better conferences. He has already received phone calls from Kansas and Washington State among many, many others. These recruiters are paid solely to judge talent. That, my friend is why Collinsworth is better.

PG who? | 12:44 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

When is the last time Pleasant Grove won a state tournament game? They peak way too early every season and will not be a factor at tournament time! Look for that trend to continue this year! Sorry Viking fans but it looks like another early exit at the big dance for you!!!!

Dartman | 12:45 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

TO: RE: Dartman | 7:41 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009
You're missing the point. I am not arguing the ranking. I am arguing the CHANGE in the ranking. It makes no sense. Also, what's with all the double talk? First you point out that Davis played 5 ranked teams then you go on to criticize them for playing nothing but cupcakes. Finally, you can say what you want about Region 1, we heard all the same talk last year. Then, in the tournament region 1 advanced more teams into the second round than any of the other 5A regions.

Dartman | 1:12 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Anonymous | 9:26 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009
I was going to play the Viewmont card but D-News only allows for 200 words.
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Look, it's easy to say A beat B, and B beat C, so clearly A is much better than C, Right? We all know that just leads us down a never ending bunny trail of nestled loops, and in the end, every team has a claim of being #1. Bottom line is everyone's favorite team is probably not quite as good as we think. The great regions are probably not quite as dominant as we believe, and the weak ones are likely a bit better than we all think.
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Now, having said all that... Davis is clearly #1!!
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Go Darts!
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svfan | 1:16 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

The Sky View girls could probably beat the Sky View boys team. So Bountiful and mountain crest losing to them is not sign of a good team! Region 5 is WEAK!

Re: Dartman | 1:22 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

First of all, you take one more team to the tourny than 2 of the other 3 regions, and 2 more than the fourth.
Second of all, first round match ups are different every year. Yes Clearfield upset a very good PG team last year, but every other matchup was between very mediocre teams.
This year you are going to match up against 4 very good region 3 teams. Region 3 will go 3-1 in the first round if not 4-0. One more month and you will see the light....enjoy the wins while they last

Re: Those Who Knows | 1:23 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

You don't have a clue, do you? Collinsworth has received "phone calls from Kansas and Washington State?" Are you kidding?! Phone calls mean nothing. Tyler received phone calls from all the big boys...Wake, NC, Duke, UCLA. Did you actually bring up Washington State? Phone calls from Washington State don't mean anything! Let the recruiters judge the talent. You, my friend, are clueless!

RE: | 1:40 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Big Bear | 6:21 a.m. Feb. 3, 2009

One difference. Provo has beaten elite 5A teams. Bear River has beaten very weak 4A teams and a weak 5A team.

Same logic? If BR had beaten, say Orem or Provo and was not ranked higher, you might be right.

haws over collingsworth | 1:47 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

haws is better the kyle day in and day out. collinsworth will go to byu anyways thats where his bro is. haws got calls from everywhere in the nation

Re: Dartman | 1:48 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Im not really sure how you came up with that response to my posting. It really has nothing to do with anything I was saying. Actually what I was doing was trying to help your argument as to why Riverton should have dropped farther. Arguing the loss to CH wasn't the best way to go. I never mentioned anything about anyone being #1, only that CH is a more quality opponent to lose to than Viewmont, and the close games with non playoff teams Hillcrest and Weber.
Now I will say this, the fact that Viewmont went 2-5 in pre-season play and then 5-2 in region shows how weak region 1 is this year. Im sure they have gotten better as the season has progressed, but its clear that Region 3 is much stronger at this point in the season than Region 1.
Provo #1! (Im not sure how you can really argue that. Im not even close to a fan of theirs, but gotta give credit where credit is due.)

Big Bear from Provo student | 1:52 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

the only reason you think they are doing a good job is cause you are at the top if you werent you would be like the rest of us. and by the way id bet that br could beat provo. and im not even a br fan but those guys up there are the real deal ya they may have struggled in one or two games but they step up when the pressure is on

Re: Big Bear | 2:02 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

That's a big stretch...BR over Provo? Such a bold prediction when it will never happen. Provo would win by 30 on a bad day!

Anonymous | 2:22 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

Provo win by 30??? doubt it im pretty sure it would be less then to IF Provo beat BR

My opinion | 3:43 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

1. Lone Peak
2. Skyline
3. Riverton
4. Davis
5. Bingham
6. West Jordan
7. Alta
8. PG
9. Clearfield
10. Jordan

This is as of right now. I know some teams are ranked higher than a team that they have lost to, but this is currently

Riverton 3 ? | 5:08 p.m. Feb. 3, 2009

No one loses to Copper Hills, how can Riverton even be ranked after that loss. Your next loss comes this Friday when Bingham beats you by 15 pts. Keep dreaming Silverwolves you have won nothing but the smack talk award.

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