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seattleman | 1:32 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
BYU did well against teams with a losing record. Facing good competition they
did well for a half and then buckled 3 times in second half. It's one
thing to lose- but they were really destroyed in all 3 games. They weren't
even respectable games and leaves a bad taste in the offseason. We need to put
less pressure on Max, Harvey, Dennis and Austin and develop more talent around
them next year.
cougdude | 1:37 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
The O-line lost endurance and were weak in 4th quarters the second half of the
season. Max was not getting good protection late in games. I attribute this to
loss of focus/strength- these guys should be conditioning all season and it
looked like they lost gas the critical 3rd and 4th quarters. When Max gets hit-
you can count on 3 and out very quickly.
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Blue Man | 1:36 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Lets not substitute prejudice and emotion for rational thought. BYU had an
excellent offense this year and a poor defense. The offense managed to pull out
some victories despite the fact that defense was busy handing out points. Look
at the stats for offense. BYU was at the top.
The defense had no pass rush and even mediocre QB's were able to sit back and pick apart the secondary. The strength of TCU's team was clearly an excellent defense. They did not play that well on offense against BSU, but they won anyway thanks to a superior defense.
Max Hall is not to blame. It is simplistic and stupid to blame every loss on the QB. If the defense had played well against any of the teams in the second half of the season then BYU would have won in a walk. As it was they struggled with bad field position and the requirement to continually score to keep pace.
In 2007 the offense scored 17 against Utah and Max Hall is a hero. Why? Because the defense allowed 10. In 2008 BYU scores 24 against Utah and Hall is a goat. Why? Because the defense allowed 48.
The defense had no pass rush and even mediocre QB's were able to sit back and pick apart the secondary. The strength of TCU's team was clearly an excellent defense. They did not play that well on offense against BSU, but they won anyway thanks to a superior defense.
Max Hall is not to blame. It is simplistic and stupid to blame every loss on the QB. If the defense had played well against any of the teams in the second half of the season then BYU would have won in a walk. As it was they struggled with bad field position and the requirement to continually score to keep pace.
In 2007 the offense scored 17 against Utah and Max Hall is a hero. Why? Because the defense allowed 10. In 2008 BYU scores 24 against Utah and Hall is a goat. Why? Because the defense allowed 48.
Anonymous | 1:34 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
You know what folks, you're right. BYU did nothing wrong all year. Nothing.
They don't need to change any thing at all. Stay the course. Please! :)
They don't need to change any thing at all. Stay the course. Please! :)
G. Quagmire | 1:41 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
re: re:two issues | 6:37 a.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Just another example of the truth hurts and most Zoobs (in the words of Jack N in "A few good men") can't handle the truth.
Just another example of the truth hurts and most Zoobs (in the words of Jack N in "A few good men") can't handle the truth.
HSFAN | 1:44 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
ANOTHER BYU QB CONTROVERCY????
SETTLED!!!!
Its official....
Hall is gone!!
Riley Nelson is here to take BYU to the Promised Land!
Go Riley......
Bronco? Wake the heck up!!
SETTLED!!!!
Its official....
Hall is gone!!
Riley Nelson is here to take BYU to the Promised Land!
Go Riley......
Bronco? Wake the heck up!!
RE: True BYU | 1:27 p.m. | 1:53 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
"This is the reason why the MWC will never be considered for an automatic
bid"
REALLY? So the reason the MWC won't ever be considered for an auto bid is because our bowl game in New Orleans,amidst a horrendus economy,is not sold out?? Hope you didn't go into debt for you BYU education...It wasn't worth it..
Cause I thought it had something to do with the fact that Utah is the only team in the conference (OK maybe TCU) That can make it to the BCS and carry the conference on a National Stage.
Nice showing in Vegas, thanks for your help in convincing the Nation that our conference is NOT overrated.
REALLY? So the reason the MWC won't ever be considered for an auto bid is because our bowl game in New Orleans,amidst a horrendus economy,is not sold out?? Hope you didn't go into debt for you BYU education...It wasn't worth it..
Cause I thought it had something to do with the fact that Utah is the only team in the conference (OK maybe TCU) That can make it to the BCS and carry the conference on a National Stage.
Nice showing in Vegas, thanks for your help in convincing the Nation that our conference is NOT overrated.
An observation | 1:53 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
It's 1:57 p.m. as I type this comment. There is a story about Utah
football and one about BYU. The Utah story has 17 comments and the BYU story
has 54, many by self-proclaimed Utah fans chastizing BYU and everything
associated with it. I guess it really is true. There is no such thing as a
Utah fan--just BYU haters.
Bobby Jones | 2:00 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
To true BYU....do you know how far away New Orleans is? Do you know how bad
money is right now? Do you know how much New Orleans does not care if 17,000
sober Utah fans come to their city? Embarrassed? Hardly, Utah is playing one
of the best teams in college football today. BYU played one of the worst teams
in the PAC 10 in one of the weakest years ever. That is embarrassing.
Geoff | 2:03 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
TCU thumped BYU, but the Cougars shoud have beaten the Utes and Arizona. They
din't and they fell short of their potential. When coaches say that they
take full responsibility it's another way of saying, "We blew
it," but I'm a big man to say it was all my fault.
Bronco had better not let his assistants drag us to mediocrity. Make the tough personnel changes. Loyalty to assistants is not an admirable quality if they cost us games.
Saying that football is fifth is down right silly. When they practice and play it had better rank first.
Bronco had better not let his assistants drag us to mediocrity. Make the tough personnel changes. Loyalty to assistants is not an admirable quality if they cost us games.
Saying that football is fifth is down right silly. When they practice and play it had better rank first.
honest observation | 2:07 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Coach Mendenhall is a average coach, not a great coach. His in game management
is below average, I feel is preperation is above average. The recruiting is ok,
but he needs to work on his arragance as he shouldn't say BYU can get
anybody in the state it wants and the reason BYU turned things around is because
of the friday night firesides. Remember, Mendenhall is 2 lucky plays from being
0-4 against Utah! I still feel he will get better as a coach as the years go on
2009 | 2:07 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Cougars will roar back to the top with a crushing performance over the utes in
the regular season finale.
anomymous | 2:12 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Nope....not BYU haters..most people are just tired of BYU whining
QB Coach | 2:29 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Just an observation from watch the last couple of games. Coach Doman has been
flying under the radar. He has not had his quarterback prepared. His inability
to help Hall improve and make adjustments is apparent to me at least. But he is
young and maybe learning how to be a QB coach on the fly. But what do I know
other than being an observer. Also, I am not a Utah native and not a BYU grad,
but it is interesting to see all the Ute fans on this message board do all the
whining when they are have a such a great season. Shouldn't the Ute fans be
happy with their success without having to grind BYU. Boy there is some hatred
there. What is this all about?
Same old story | 2:39 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
There you go again...hating on BYU. Say something about your team and how good
they are instead of how BYU is a bunch of whinners and we're always
over-rated (whine, whine, whine, and whine some more) Utah played great this
year and ya'll should be proud of your boys, not proud that BYU boys
didn't do so well.
to 2:12 pm | 2:45 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
I hate to tell you, but every team is critical of the factors that causes that
team to lose or not perform to their potential. Wasn't last year that
every Utah fan was calling for Whittingham's head after the UNLV lost? You
just can't admit that you're not a true Utah fan, you just love to
hate on BYU for whatever pyschological reason you may have. My advice to you is
to get over it and start praising your team and the future you'll have.
If only Bronco would read this | 2:49 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
It�s embarrassing!!!!!! Not that we limped home, but how
we speak.
Bronco has said:
-we have 'higher priorities' than football,
-our players are higher caliber in character,
-he didn't watch the TCU-UU game because it was his 'date night',
-athletes aren�t our #1 priority,
-he doesn�t spend extra time in the office because he is a family man.
It sends the wrong message and it is arrogant. The scriptures are littered with pride, boasting, and self righteousness, and it is never good. Bronco, shut up about how your faith drives you. You try too hard to say you/program are unique. Let your actions speak louder than your corny talk. If I hear you say �manifest� one more time in a football context I�ll throw up!
Your players get mixed messages. Work is hard and sometimes things get out of balance, but that isn't always bad (it just shouldn't stay that way indefinately).
You misspeak when you say talent isn't the 1st thing you look for. It should be, but there are critical additional factors that play into who you really recruit. To say athleticism is #1 hurts your players and you not to mention it makes you look silly!
Bronco has said:
-we have 'higher priorities' than football,
-our players are higher caliber in character,
-he didn't watch the TCU-UU game because it was his 'date night',
-athletes aren�t our #1 priority,
-he doesn�t spend extra time in the office because he is a family man.
It sends the wrong message and it is arrogant. The scriptures are littered with pride, boasting, and self righteousness, and it is never good. Bronco, shut up about how your faith drives you. You try too hard to say you/program are unique. Let your actions speak louder than your corny talk. If I hear you say �manifest� one more time in a football context I�ll throw up!
Your players get mixed messages. Work is hard and sometimes things get out of balance, but that isn't always bad (it just shouldn't stay that way indefinately).
You misspeak when you say talent isn't the 1st thing you look for. It should be, but there are critical additional factors that play into who you really recruit. To say athleticism is #1 hurts your players and you not to mention it makes you look silly!
Utes 1st AGAIN! | 2:53 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Well, it appears that the Utes are first again. The first to honor an apostle
of The Lord with his initials on their helmets at a BCS BOWL. . . The IRONY!!
Go Utes!
Go Utes!
Re: Bobby Jones | 2:55 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
"Do you know how much New Orleans does not care if 17,000 sober Utah fans
come to their city?"
There aren't even 17,000 sober fans that show up at the RES on any given Saturday are there?
If you expect to be a national program with a storied history, then your fans have to follow. BYU and TCU would have sold those 17,000 tickets and as many more as they could get their hands on. Have the Utes ever played in a bigger game? It's a once in a lifetime opportunity and no one wants to be there?
You can attack the Cougs all you want, but this is just another example of why Utah is a second tier program with a couple of good years every once in a while.
There aren't even 17,000 sober fans that show up at the RES on any given Saturday are there?
If you expect to be a national program with a storied history, then your fans have to follow. BYU and TCU would have sold those 17,000 tickets and as many more as they could get their hands on. Have the Utes ever played in a bigger game? It's a once in a lifetime opportunity and no one wants to be there?
You can attack the Cougs all you want, but this is just another example of why Utah is a second tier program with a couple of good years every once in a while.
Oregon Ute! | 3:02 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
To all the fans of both BYU and Utah who think it's fun for the other team
to have a poor year (like BYU did this year) - you need to understand that the
BEST thing for BYU is Utah having a great season and the BEST thing for the Utes
is for BYU to have a great season. BYU's success (last century) pushed
Utah up to match their great seasons. Now the shoe's on the other foot and
TCU's and Utah's success will push BYU on to bigger and better things.
I'd love to see BYU come into the Utah game undefeated every year - and
then lose to Utah. I appreciate the quality of both the players and coaches for
both BYU and Utah - it's some of the Jr. High fans that make me sick!
akk | 3:07 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Too many BYU fans just don't get it. That's why you are so easy to
hate. Mendenhall is an average coach who does an average job. He says what he
thinks his bosses want to hear. Too many BYU players and fans ARE arrogant and
think they are better than the rest of us. News flash you are not... You can out
spend teams on a regional basis... but in the end you get outcoached and
outplayed... get over yourselves.
Ernest T. Bass | 3:17 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Most seasons arrogance is a huge problem for byu. They never admit their
opponent has beaten them, instead they disrespect their opponents by saying that
they just beat themselves.
Considering the team takes on the personality of the coach, arrogance is going to be a real problem for byu for the forseable future.
They don't even use all the practices allowed and never even prepare for a team based on the team's strengths and weaknesses.
"The best is yet to come" -BM.
It did for Utah but is not likely for BYU.
Bronco's best team was built by another coach, Gary Crowton.
They'll keep being arrogant and not understand why they don't ever beat good teams, as proven by the bowl record and their record against top 25 teams.
Considering the team takes on the personality of the coach, arrogance is going to be a real problem for byu for the forseable future.
They don't even use all the practices allowed and never even prepare for a team based on the team's strengths and weaknesses.
"The best is yet to come" -BM.
It did for Utah but is not likely for BYU.
Bronco's best team was built by another coach, Gary Crowton.
They'll keep being arrogant and not understand why they don't ever beat good teams, as proven by the bowl record and their record against top 25 teams.
....Hey True BYU..... | 3:20 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Until BYU gets invited to a BSC game, please hold your comments about how Utah
handles its invitation.
As for bowl games Utah, has carried this conference both in terms of results and financial considerations. So please don't embarrass yourself by speaking of things of which you know nothing.
As far a an auto bid for the conference, if BYU wants a BSC bid they can earn it like Utah has. Utah has been invited to more BSC bowls than most teams in BSC conferences. Alas, sadly for you BYU has never been able to perform to the standards of a BSC participant.
As for bowl games Utah, has carried this conference both in terms of results and financial considerations. So please don't embarrass yourself by speaking of things of which you know nothing.
As far a an auto bid for the conference, if BYU wants a BSC bid they can earn it like Utah has. Utah has been invited to more BSC bowls than most teams in BSC conferences. Alas, sadly for you BYU has never been able to perform to the standards of a BSC participant.
All about the Y | 3:25 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
I can't speak for all BYU fans, but I think it's the best compliment
when you have a whole fan base who hates your team. Just like the Yankees,
Lakers, Cowboys, etc. they have huge followers who love to hate them. Why is
that? Cause they're the best. I'm not saying BYU is the best of the
best, but we sure are the best in the state. Keep on hating U fans, makes us
even more arrogant.
Is anyone really surprised? | 3:31 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
That the Utes can't get 17,000 fans to New Orleans? In most years when
they are predicable medicore, they can't even get 17,000 fans to drive
across SLC in the snow on a Saturday?
Southern Cougar | 3:35 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
10-3 sounds great, but it was a very disappointing season. I wonder if things
have just gone to some players' heads (Hall, for one). It just didn't
look like the team played with any heart the last 1/2 of the season, and I
wonder where their desire has gone. It's hard to believe that just 2 years
ago we were riding the top of the world after the win over Oregon. I expected
there'd be ups and downs, but didn't expect that BYU would lack
motivation or that the team would get their feathers ruffled so easily. In many
ways, I wonder if the problems are more of an issue with psyche than they are
with skill. My Cougars, please, please tell me that you will learn from this
experience!
fan support | 3:41 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Utah can't sell 17,000 seats to one of the two biggest games in their
history and yet BYU gets to play Oklahoma next year in the brand new Dallas
Cowboy billion dollar stadium? I wonder who has more respect in the nation?
Keep on whinning yewts
Keep on whinning yewts
Cougar from the South | 3:42 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
'Dart Down the Lane', BYU will never be a school that is 24/7
football, and if that's who you want, it's time to find another school
to cheer for. I don't expect nor do I hope BYU will ever go that way, all
I want is to see some heart in their play...which was lacking this year. I
think a lot of the players need to take a good, long look in the mirror and
figure out what they're about, along with the realization that just because
you step on the field doesn't mean you win, doesn't mean you walk on
water (i.e., get over yourselves), and doesn't mean that you're going
to secure the MWC. The conference is getting better, BYU, you've got to
step it up in all areas, both in and out of the geme.
NCBYUFAN | 4:25 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
For years we have heard about the superiority of BYU because of the return
missionaries being older and more mature. (Except when they lose.) Perhaps a 18
to 21 year old who has not had the missionary experience would be a better
player. Reason #1.Coachability. #2. No family distractions #3.Hasn't
learned that the coaches aren't always right. #4. Doesn't know his
limitations. There are alot more but I shall cease and decist. BYU alum and fan
till I die...then if hey have football...aaaa never mind.
Re: Ernest T. Brash | 4:28 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
I'm glad that us hypocritical Y fans have someone who is so righteous and
knows all the right answers to everything to lecture us on humility. I mean we
are pretty arrogant, it's time that we follow coach whittinghams truly
perfectly humble example.
Get real, the first thing Coach Mendenhall ever does after a win or loss is to give credit to the other team, and what they did well. Then the time comes to acknowledge what BYU did to win or what they could have done to win. The post game always evaluates both sides of the story. We're not as closed minded as most Ute fans portray themselves to be. BYU, like most teams, acknowledges what they do well and what they can improve on. They don't make dumb claims like our receiver will win the heisman when he's a freshman, our running back will have more moves than your running back will EVER have, and we are DEFINETLY talented enough to play in the national championship. Not to mention we don't kick onside kicks when we are up by 40+ points.
Honestly, if BYU is arrogant and pompous WHAT DOES THAT MAKE UTAH? Seriously don't kid yourself.
Get real, the first thing Coach Mendenhall ever does after a win or loss is to give credit to the other team, and what they did well. Then the time comes to acknowledge what BYU did to win or what they could have done to win. The post game always evaluates both sides of the story. We're not as closed minded as most Ute fans portray themselves to be. BYU, like most teams, acknowledges what they do well and what they can improve on. They don't make dumb claims like our receiver will win the heisman when he's a freshman, our running back will have more moves than your running back will EVER have, and we are DEFINETLY talented enough to play in the national championship. Not to mention we don't kick onside kicks when we are up by 40+ points.
Honestly, if BYU is arrogant and pompous WHAT DOES THAT MAKE UTAH? Seriously don't kid yourself.
Re: "fan support," Is anyone.... | 4:45 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
...really surprised"
What is your connection between the Utes selling 17,000 tickets and BYU scheduling a football game with Oklahoma, a game that BYU will likely get slaughtered at? By the way, any team would have a hard time selling tickets and going 2,000 miles to a game right now in this economy. Do you think BYU would have had 17,000 fans go there from Utah? Fat chance. There wouldn't be more than 1,000 or so fans from Utah who would actually fly or drive there. BYU would get the members of the LDS church in the Louisiana, Texas, and Mississippi areas to all buy up the tickets and travel the 2 or 3 hour drive it takes to New Orleans. They've done that in every other far-away bowl game that they've been to. BYU has a huge advantage in that regard, young Kooger fan.
Your jealousy at the Utes' success this year is sickening.
What is your connection between the Utes selling 17,000 tickets and BYU scheduling a football game with Oklahoma, a game that BYU will likely get slaughtered at? By the way, any team would have a hard time selling tickets and going 2,000 miles to a game right now in this economy. Do you think BYU would have had 17,000 fans go there from Utah? Fat chance. There wouldn't be more than 1,000 or so fans from Utah who would actually fly or drive there. BYU would get the members of the LDS church in the Louisiana, Texas, and Mississippi areas to all buy up the tickets and travel the 2 or 3 hour drive it takes to New Orleans. They've done that in every other far-away bowl game that they've been to. BYU has a huge advantage in that regard, young Kooger fan.
Your jealousy at the Utes' success this year is sickening.
Old Cougar Fan | 4:47 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Let's put the Football season behind us & move on to Basketball
JAS | 4:59 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
2009 Points to focus on
Harvey: Run straight to the end zone. Stop dancing at the LOS
Max: Stop throwing interceptions and fumbles. Look off receivers. Don�t force a play or the ball. Learn to become more patient and be a strong leader on the field. Someone has to be the man on the field.
Coaches: Get the team ready to play and stop making excuses after every game that you did not have the team ready to play. The team lacks the killer instinct on the field. Let�s play smash month football on Saturday.
There are many defending the 10-3 season. This was a GOOD season but not a GREAT season. This team had the potential to be great. I went to every home game and to AF, Utah and the LV Bowl. This year�s team was only ready for one game, the UCLA game. If BYU would play with the same passion and fire they did for the UCLA, we will have a great team.
I think Bronco is a great coach and belongs on the sideline many more seasons to come. I also think the Cougars need some fire and passion before next season.
Harvey: Run straight to the end zone. Stop dancing at the LOS
Max: Stop throwing interceptions and fumbles. Look off receivers. Don�t force a play or the ball. Learn to become more patient and be a strong leader on the field. Someone has to be the man on the field.
Coaches: Get the team ready to play and stop making excuses after every game that you did not have the team ready to play. The team lacks the killer instinct on the field. Let�s play smash month football on Saturday.
There are many defending the 10-3 season. This was a GOOD season but not a GREAT season. This team had the potential to be great. I went to every home game and to AF, Utah and the LV Bowl. This year�s team was only ready for one game, the UCLA game. If BYU would play with the same passion and fire they did for the UCLA, we will have a great team.
I think Bronco is a great coach and belongs on the sideline many more seasons to come. I also think the Cougars need some fire and passion before next season.
Re: Bobby Jones | 2:55 p.m. | 5:05 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
What you fail to admit is that for Utah fans to follow their team, they have to
traverse 2/3 of the country, rent hotel rooms, rent cars, and budget enough
money to eat. It is costly.
Had BYU gone to the Sugar Bowl, the same number of fans from Utah County would have made the trip but BYU would have sold their allotment of tickets. Why? Because BYU fans live in every venue their team could play in. There are members of the church in NO who would go to the game and enable BYU fans to brag about their ticket being sold.
Utah County people, what makes you so lovable is the way you can spin a good story without letting details and facts get in the way. BYU's following can be easily explained.
Maybe next year BYU will be responsible enough to actually not embarrass the MWC by getting blown out by a poor team from a not so great conference. I'll be there are a good number of BYU fans who wish they had not spent the money to go to Vegas.
Had BYU gone to the Sugar Bowl, the same number of fans from Utah County would have made the trip but BYU would have sold their allotment of tickets. Why? Because BYU fans live in every venue their team could play in. There are members of the church in NO who would go to the game and enable BYU fans to brag about their ticket being sold.
Utah County people, what makes you so lovable is the way you can spin a good story without letting details and facts get in the way. BYU's following can be easily explained.
Maybe next year BYU will be responsible enough to actually not embarrass the MWC by getting blown out by a poor team from a not so great conference. I'll be there are a good number of BYU fans who wish they had not spent the money to go to Vegas.
Really? | 5:10 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
"I think Bronco is a great coach and belongs on the sideline many more
seasons to come. I also think the Cougars need some fire and passion before next
season."
Really? The guy seems to be comatose the entire game. Good luck next year.
Really? The guy seems to be comatose the entire game. Good luck next year.
fan support | 5:12 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
No jealousy whatsoever brother. They point is BYU fills stadiums and Utah can
barely fill their 45,000 seat stadium. Looks like jealousy is all yours, since
you brought that up. Keep living the dream...keep living the dream...
re true BYU | 5:16 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
So you're telling me you spent literally thousands of dollars to cruise
down to Vegas? Really be realistic here. Getting to the game and getting
accomadations costs over $1500 as it is. That's just for one person and not
necessarily counting in tickets to the game, food, and fun. Until you war
kittens have to make it to a real bowl game that's more then five hours
away give it a rest. If you really want to put it in perspective take a look at
this. There were more Ute fans in Tempe AZ (where we had to go for the first BCS
bowl game, you wouldn't know what it's like) Then there have been BYU
fans at any of the 4 Vegas bowls. Don't be a hypocrite and get a life. As
for the rest of your comments I agree.
Anonymous | 5:18 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Salt Lake County people, what makes you so lovable is the way you can spin a
good story without letting details and facts get in the way. All we're
trying to say is that we have fan support from all over the country.
That's saying a lot about a university. You're the ones who put all
that in our mouthes. Just as "is anyone...." said, "You're
jealousy at the (Y's success over the past 30 years) is sickening."
re fan support | 5:29 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
It's funny you can try to bash us. Couple of points to consider. It's
easy to fill a stadium when the people there aren't all even fans
(what's up with the old ladies knitting at the game anyways). If all ute
fans had youth groups and about six kids they were taking that would fill a lot
of seats. I like how you left those points out. As far as filling the stadium...
I saw RES filled with red and one tiny sliver of blue in the southwest corner.
My drive from south mountain isn't that much farther then the drive from
Lehi or AF or Alpine so what's the deal?
bowl games? | 5:32 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Are you really talking about fan support for the Vegas bowl? Vegas bowl is a
middle of the pack bowl game and yet BYU sells that baby out every year we
go(and yes it has been 4 straight years). So all you Utah fans who think
that's a small feat, wasn't last year you went to San Diego and barely
had 10,000 fans go? Stop trying to argue about fan support. BYU wins.
Doesn't mean that BYU is better, because Utah proved that on the field this
year.
Strength & Conditioning Right ! | 5:34 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
This was the weakest team ever in D1 football. There just was hundreds of
examples of BYU players being over-powered by the other side of the ball. Coach
Olmer should be fired. Even when players are trained by him at all they get
hurt. $40,000,000 training facility. Let's get these weak wet noodles
lifting heavy and explosively for once! Weakness is a glaring concern to
trained eye Cougar fans.
If....... | 5:45 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
If we could just stop beating ourselves, we would be undefeated.
I can't remember the last time I thought that the other team was actually better. Byu just makes mistakes to loose.
I can't remember the last time I thought that the other team was actually better. Byu just makes mistakes to loose.
Jerry Thompson | 5:42 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
BYU definitely had some issues. I believe it was a combination of Max Hall and
Robert Anae. Max wasn't taking care of the ball and Anae needed to be more
innovative in his play selection, but I have issues with Jeff Call saying that
the "Y" simply played against bad teams the first half of the season.
For instance: New Mexico beat Arizona early in the year and barely lost to
Utah. Wyoming lost to the major Mountain West teams handily, however, they beat
Tennessee. Tennessee beat Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Mississippi State in the
SEC. Vanderbilt beat the Mississippi Rebels in Oxford, and Jeff should know who
Mississippi beat at Gainesville. It was none other than the Florida Gators who
went on to defeat the Alabama Crimson Tide. That's right Mr. Call.
Wyoming went into a hostile stadium in Knoxville, Tennessee in front of 90,000
screaming Vols and were victorious. I know this may mean nothing to you, but it
downright miraculous to me, and it's definitely a feather in the cap of
this 'bad team' as well as the Mountain West Conference.
seattleview | 5:56 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Just checking to see if I have been "blocked" from making posts. My
last couple of modest posts dont appear to still be around.
Apparantly, simulately curse words H___ and critcisum of BYU wont pass the "respectful" standard for making posts.
Apparantly, simulately curse words H___ and critcisum of BYU wont pass the "respectful" standard for making posts.
Who really cares! | 5:57 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
about the Y and U football programs! Have you looked at your Investment
portfolio's and all the fraud thats going on in DC and Wall street? we need
to do something about it or their won't be anymore Y and U games!
Re: fan support, Anonymous | 6:00 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
The fan support you're both talking about is from members of the LDS church
throughout the country. Yes, that is a huge advantage. If there is a bowl game
in, say, the Bay Area, the Church can offer tickets to those Church members
living in that area and those members can go to the games with only having to
pay for the cost of the tickets. In this Sugar Bowl game there are 6 of us who
are spending $2,000 apiece for flight, hotels, food, etc. How many of you BYU
fans living in Utah would do the same? BYU fans from Utah don't travel to
the far-away games. BYU relies on local church members living in the area of
the bowl game to buy tickets. That's no secret. It's a huge
advantage for BYU. As for the 45,000 Utah fans, they make twice the noise as
the 60,000 fans at Edwards stadium. I know, I attended games at both places
this year.
And to "fan support," we will keep living the dream. It's called 2 BCS bowl appearances in the last 5 years. How many BCS games has your team been in?
And to "fan support," we will keep living the dream. It's called 2 BCS bowl appearances in the last 5 years. How many BCS games has your team been in?
anonymous | 6:12 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
Watched the USU-BYU game on BYU-TV internet feed.
They did a puff piece on Max Hall. Every person stated that Max Hall may seem arrogant, but that it was just confidence based on performance.
When every person, (Bronco & assorted players) mention Hall's arrogance, errrr, "confidence", that may be the source of some of the issues. HMMMM.
They did a puff piece on Max Hall. Every person stated that Max Hall may seem arrogant, but that it was just confidence based on performance.
When every person, (Bronco & assorted players) mention Hall's arrogance, errrr, "confidence", that may be the source of some of the issues. HMMMM.
TruBYUfan | 6:15 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
The only sad thing is BYU played exactly to it's potential.
Slow Mos | 6:36 p.m. Dec. 26, 2008
To BYU fans who still think they are the best, may I quote some guy who once
played for your team: "scoreboard"
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