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Dick Harmon: Speed gamer: BYU's Collie average on the track, unbeatable on the field
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Agree | 12:15 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Good article, Collie is the real deal, wouldn't be surprised to see him
playing on Sunday in a couple of years. It's amazing how he is always
getting behind the DB's...just like 4 and 18....Go Cougs
az coug | 12:54 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
It does not matter how fast Collie is if Max stares him down and forces passes
to him exclusivly.
Thats waht I saw @ USU. Get the tightends going and
the WRs will come open naturally.
Don't relax Cougs.....another USU effort and the BCS is history...There is no doubt that USU was the best team the entire 4th quarter
New mexico is tough..If the Cougs don't jump in swinging it could be ugly.
BCS glory, money, recognition, future recruits for a decade, and a lot of "I told you so's" are on the line...
If we play perfectly with no mistakes with all our hearts, we might get there.
Buck up boys. Time to play smash-mouth football!!
Thats waht I saw @ USU. Get the tightends going and
the WRs will come open naturally.
Don't relax Cougs.....another USU effort and the BCS is history...There is no doubt that USU was the best team the entire 4th quarter
New mexico is tough..If the Cougs don't jump in swinging it could be ugly.
BCS glory, money, recognition, future recruits for a decade, and a lot of "I told you so's" are on the line...
If we play perfectly with no mistakes with all our hearts, we might get there.
Buck up boys. Time to play smash-mouth football!!
Shutout? | 4:09 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Well said, AZ Coug. New Mexico is a tough team, but being back at home, I
wouldn't be surprised to see BYU pitch another shutout. The Cougs are so
dominant at home, there's no doubt in my mind we'll destroy them.
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Bob in line | 5:00 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I agree with the AZ Coug.
byudog | 5:49 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Collie is the real deal.
I am very glad he is at BYU. Very talented WR.
The 40-time really doesn' matter that much. It doesn't make you a great football player or WR. All it makes you is having a label attached to your name saying you are so fast...
There are lots of fast guys out there, but there are not tons of extremely fast and talented footballers..
A 4.6 is not average speed btw... A 5.3 is about average speed for someone. A 4.6 is fast enough for college and when you throw in how precise Collie is with his routes and his pass catching abilities, you have a very good WR on your hands.
What coaches and NFL coaches should worry about is what was mentioned-how fast you are in pads. That is what matters-your 40-yard time in pads would be a better metric than simply a 40-yard dash.
Some guys have better explosive power, strength, and maybe better running mechanics in pads, than others. Collie is likely one of those guys.
I am very glad he is at BYU. Very talented WR.
The 40-time really doesn' matter that much. It doesn't make you a great football player or WR. All it makes you is having a label attached to your name saying you are so fast...
There are lots of fast guys out there, but there are not tons of extremely fast and talented footballers..
A 4.6 is not average speed btw... A 5.3 is about average speed for someone. A 4.6 is fast enough for college and when you throw in how precise Collie is with his routes and his pass catching abilities, you have a very good WR on your hands.
What coaches and NFL coaches should worry about is what was mentioned-how fast you are in pads. That is what matters-your 40-yard time in pads would be a better metric than simply a 40-yard dash.
Some guys have better explosive power, strength, and maybe better running mechanics in pads, than others. Collie is likely one of those guys.
not sold | 5:52 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
sure, he is having a great career at the Y, but he has dropped too many
catchable balls for me to put him on the list of my favorite Y receivers.
Re: az coug | 6:18 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Brilliant observation. Its obvious that Collie's horrible season is due to
Max Hall staring him down. After all, he's only 7th in the nation when he
should be first.
Clayton Barnes | 6:43 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I really like Max Hall but come on! I was a quarterback in highschool and all
he needs is a ball thrown in his area which I could do easily. I love Max but I
could easily play the QB position on this team.
Speedy | 6:56 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Interesting article on how slow Collie is. :)
BYU's bread and butter has always been the short- to mid-range passing game which relies primarily on receivers running precise patterns and being able to catch the ball.
Blazing speed is over-rated. It's fun to have a receiver who can blow by defenders, but the long, deep pass is a low percentage play that you're lucky if you can get it to work more than a couple times per game.
It's nice to have in the arsenal to keep defenses from stacking the shorter routes, but you can't rely on the long ball to move the ball consistently.
New Mexico will bring their pressure defense, with lots of blitzes. This will be a good test for the offensive line to see how well they can protect the quarterback. It'll also be good preparation for what BYU will be facing at TCU a week from today.
It probably won't be another shutout, but if the offense can avoid turnovers, especially in their own territory, BYU's defense will hold the Lobos in check.
BYU 45 NM 10
BYU's bread and butter has always been the short- to mid-range passing game which relies primarily on receivers running precise patterns and being able to catch the ball.
Blazing speed is over-rated. It's fun to have a receiver who can blow by defenders, but the long, deep pass is a low percentage play that you're lucky if you can get it to work more than a couple times per game.
It's nice to have in the arsenal to keep defenses from stacking the shorter routes, but you can't rely on the long ball to move the ball consistently.
New Mexico will bring their pressure defense, with lots of blitzes. This will be a good test for the offensive line to see how well they can protect the quarterback. It'll also be good preparation for what BYU will be facing at TCU a week from today.
It probably won't be another shutout, but if the offense can avoid turnovers, especially in their own territory, BYU's defense will hold the Lobos in check.
BYU 45 NM 10
BYU Receivers | 7:05 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Name any BYU wide receivers that have been successful in the NFL. They are too
slow at that level. They have done OK at tight end but not wide receiver.
BYU Quarterbacks | 7:07 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
BYU has had a long line of great college quarterbacks but very few have
succeeded at the Pro level. Wonder why?
Reed | 7:17 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Michael Reed, Mr. 3rd-down conversion, will be back this week. He's a great
compliment to Collie, especially on 3rd down where defenses tend to double-team
Collie, leaving Michael in single coverage.
Max does need to spread his passes around a little more to keep defenses guessing. BYU can get away with concentrating on two or three receivers against average defenses, but teams like TCU and Utah and whichever BCS team they end up playing, if the Cougars don't stumble, will be able to shut BYU's passing game down if Max doesn't concentrate more on picking up his 2nd and 3rd and 4th options instead of targetting his favorite receivers most of the time.
Max does need to spread his passes around a little more to keep defenses guessing. BYU can get away with concentrating on two or three receivers against average defenses, but teams like TCU and Utah and whichever BCS team they end up playing, if the Cougars don't stumble, will be able to shut BYU's passing game down if Max doesn't concentrate more on picking up his 2nd and 3rd and 4th options instead of targetting his favorite receivers most of the time.
Observant | 7:18 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Having Mike Reed out has enabled defenses to put more coverage on Collie and
Pitta. That won't be the case this Saturday. It appeared to me that
Collie's biggest drop against USU was a case of trying to run before
catching the ball. Like him personally or not he's a great athlete.
He'll have many big games before his career at BYU is over. Don't
forget how tough he is. He came back early form a stress fracture. I
can't wait to see he and Reed playing together Sat.
geezer | 7:29 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
RE; byu dog
I beg to differ. A 5.3 forty time might be "average" if you're a 400 lb. lineman. Most of your typical nerds (I was one of them) on the BYU campus can run a 5.3 forty. Take notice of the 40 teams of other quality division one teams. (Florida, Oklahoma, Utah etc..) 4.6 is not good for a good division one receiver.
I beg to differ. A 5.3 forty time might be "average" if you're a 400 lb. lineman. Most of your typical nerds (I was one of them) on the BYU campus can run a 5.3 forty. Take notice of the 40 teams of other quality division one teams. (Florida, Oklahoma, Utah etc..) 4.6 is not good for a good division one receiver.
casual observation... | 7:29 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
It makes you wonder why there is even a 40 yard dash timed without pads on.
Obviously football is played with pads and uniforms, but they are taken off to
get a "40-speed". Why would you want to know how fast someone is
without pads on? Someone needs to come along and measure the 40 speed with pads
on, then the NFL might know what their doing when they draft.
re: BYU Receivers | 7:41 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
John Golden Richards (born December 31, 1950 in Salt Lake City, Utah) is a
former professional American football player who played wide receiver in the NFL
for eight seasons for the Dallas Cowboys and the Chicago Bears. He caught a
touchdown pass from Dallas running back Robert Newhouse in the Cowboys Super
Bowl XII win over the Denver Broncos. He was known for his EXCELLENT SPEED and
punt returning skills.
David W. Spokane | 7:50 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Golden Richards-Dallas Cowboys.
Re: Clayton | 7:51 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Let me guess, Clayton. You could throw a pigskin a quarter mile in '83?
Horrible Story!!! | 7:53 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I'm a huge BYU fan but this story was lame! How many times did they have
to quote Collie about his speed? Makes him sound like a whiner. How many times
did they have to mention track speed vs. game speeed?
They took a story you could crunch into a paragraph and stretched it like taffy. I was wondering if it would ever get good, then I just prayed for it to end.
Boring!
BYU 37 UNM 13
They took a story you could crunch into a paragraph and stretched it like taffy. I was wondering if it would ever get good, then I just prayed for it to end.
Boring!
BYU 37 UNM 13
On Deck | 7:57 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Todd Watkins first tried out for the Raiders in 2004, when he was a junior at
Brigham Young. Not that he or the Raiders knew it at the time.
The "workout" came during BYU's game at USC, where Raiders Coach Lane Kiffin was serving as an assistant coach.
"He was all over the field, beat us on a deep ball," Kiffin recalled. "It was the ONLY DEEP BALL we gave up all year."
Todd is currently listed as the 2nd string WR for the Raiders. Just getting started on his NFL career, but he's in the NFL because of his SPEED.
The "workout" came during BYU's game at USC, where Raiders Coach Lane Kiffin was serving as an assistant coach.
"He was all over the field, beat us on a deep ball," Kiffin recalled. "It was the ONLY DEEP BALL we gave up all year."
Todd is currently listed as the 2nd string WR for the Raiders. Just getting started on his NFL career, but he's in the NFL because of his SPEED.
RE:byudog | 8:08 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
4.6 is slow for a D-1 wide reciever and forget about it in the NFL. When your in
a league where defensive backs are also running 4.6 than your right 40 times
don't matter.. Try it in the SEC and see how that turns out for ya..
Indispensable | 8:20 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
by Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
The 20 most indispensable college football players. The players most essential to their teams, ranked in order of importance in relation to national title and conference championship races:
1._Max_Hall,_QB,_BYU. Another strange season like 2007 (did you watch USC-Oregon State and Ole Miss-Florida?) and unbeaten BYU -- with a stout resume and hot quarterback -- could play for it all.
2._Sam_Bradford,_QB,_Oklahoma.
3._Terrence_Cody,_NT,_Alabama.
4._Chase_Daniel,_QB,_Missouri.
5._Charles_Scott,_RB,_LSU.
6._Daryll_Clark,_QB,_Penn_State.
7._Terrelle_Pryor,_QB,_Ohio_State.
8._Paul_Kruger,_DE,_Utah. He's a quick pass rusher and a microcosm (undersized and aggressive) of the best non-BCS defensive line in the country. Utah's unbeaten season rests on an underrated defense.
9._Joe_McKnight,_RB,_USC.
10._Colt_McCoy,_QB,_Texas.
11._Rennie_Curran,_LB,_Georgia.
12._Brandon_James,_KR/PR,_Florida.
13._Matt_Grothe,_QB,_South_Florida.
14._Tyrod_Taylor,_QB,_Virginia_Tech.
15._Javon_Ringer,_RB,_Michigan_State.
16._Jahvid_Best,_RB,_California.
17._Donald_Brown,_RB,_Connecticut.
18._Jimmy_Clausen,_QB,_Notre_Dame.
19._Armanti_Edwards,_QB,_Appalachian_State.
20._Rodney_Landers,_QB,_James_Madison.
The 20 most indispensable college football players. The players most essential to their teams, ranked in order of importance in relation to national title and conference championship races:
1._Max_Hall,_QB,_BYU. Another strange season like 2007 (did you watch USC-Oregon State and Ole Miss-Florida?) and unbeaten BYU -- with a stout resume and hot quarterback -- could play for it all.
2._Sam_Bradford,_QB,_Oklahoma.
3._Terrence_Cody,_NT,_Alabama.
4._Chase_Daniel,_QB,_Missouri.
5._Charles_Scott,_RB,_LSU.
6._Daryll_Clark,_QB,_Penn_State.
7._Terrelle_Pryor,_QB,_Ohio_State.
8._Paul_Kruger,_DE,_Utah. He's a quick pass rusher and a microcosm (undersized and aggressive) of the best non-BCS defensive line in the country. Utah's unbeaten season rests on an underrated defense.
9._Joe_McKnight,_RB,_USC.
10._Colt_McCoy,_QB,_Texas.
11._Rennie_Curran,_LB,_Georgia.
12._Brandon_James,_KR/PR,_Florida.
13._Matt_Grothe,_QB,_South_Florida.
14._Tyrod_Taylor,_QB,_Virginia_Tech.
15._Javon_Ringer,_RB,_Michigan_State.
16._Jahvid_Best,_RB,_California.
17._Donald_Brown,_RB,_Connecticut.
18._Jimmy_Clausen,_QB,_Notre_Dame.
19._Armanti_Edwards,_QB,_Appalachian_State.
20._Rodney_Landers,_QB,_James_Madison.
K.O.Y. | 8:21 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Austin is a great asset to BYU. I agree he has missed too many easy catches
though. I expect that to happen less in the future.
As for the clown who thinks he could play QB for BYU becuase he played in high school-dream on buddy!
This article was interesting but a bit rambling and repeatative. If you need to fill space how about more high school athelete special interest stories.
Doug Robinson is the Best!
As for the clown who thinks he could play QB for BYU becuase he played in high school-dream on buddy!
This article was interesting but a bit rambling and repeatative. If you need to fill space how about more high school athelete special interest stories.
Doug Robinson is the Best!
Run the ball | 8:26 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Can someone please tell Robert and Bronco that we need a little more balanced
attact. It is great we are passing the ball all over the place, but if we
can't run the ball this year we will be in trouble abainst Utah and TCU.
The defense was on the field a long time against Utah State and we kept passing
the ball. We have yet to see Unga or Fui have a 100 yard day. This is not a
good balance to me we need to put a little more effort in the run game in my
humble opinion!
To: On Deck | 8:29 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The NFL is not like MLB. You don't have years to wait for your turn to
shine. If Watkins is a 2nd stringer for the Raiders (who by the way are
horrible) he isn't going anywhere in his Pro career. Time is already
passing him by........
JOE | 8:32 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Who cares? The DB on a team are usually the fastest guys on the team in
football if you have a fast team you will always be a contender speed gives a
tremendous edge in sports all you people who disagree just do it to feel better
about your team but you know its true speed gives an individual a tremendous
edge if not why is it everyone wants the fast guy on their team?
Re: Clayton | 8:39 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I'll bet you $10 bucks you can't throw a football over timpanogos
mountian.
Speed over-rated | 8:42 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
When #1-ranked and defending national champion Miami visited Provo in 1990, the
Miami broadcasters were heard to say they couldn't believe how BYU's
slow receivers were open all over the field against Miami's speedy
defensive backs.
I'm quite certain that Miami's defensive backs were as fast or faster than any defensive backs in the SEC.
Precise routes and good timing are more important than pure speed.
I'm quite certain that Miami's defensive backs were as fast or faster than any defensive backs in the SEC.
Precise routes and good timing are more important than pure speed.
just wait | 8:49 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
BYU will have speed with pads on or off -- game time or practice next season
when Mckay gets back. He is faster than Austin with or without pads and will
prove to be every bit the football player Collie is and probaby more.
St. George Aggie | 8:49 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
A 4.6 40 is not going to get you playing on Sundays.
If you watch the BYU - USU game again, that play where he caught that hook pattern and broke it down the sideline and stiff-armed the safety and scored. Watch that play and tell me that a 4.6 is good! Collie got ran down by the safety on the other side of the field.
You have to credit Collie for stiff-arming the guy, but watching that one play makes me think that if that a 4.6 40 is not good. If that was a bigger safety coming at him, I don't think the stiff-arm would have worked and his speed would have cost the Cougs a td.
I don't buy into this "game time speed" stuff, never have.
Putting a little twist on a popular Bill Parcells quote, "You are as fast as your 40 says you are."
A 4.6 40 is good for you and me but not for a WR
If you watch the BYU - USU game again, that play where he caught that hook pattern and broke it down the sideline and stiff-armed the safety and scored. Watch that play and tell me that a 4.6 is good! Collie got ran down by the safety on the other side of the field.
You have to credit Collie for stiff-arming the guy, but watching that one play makes me think that if that a 4.6 40 is not good. If that was a bigger safety coming at him, I don't think the stiff-arm would have worked and his speed would have cost the Cougs a td.
I don't buy into this "game time speed" stuff, never have.
Putting a little twist on a popular Bill Parcells quote, "You are as fast as your 40 says you are."
A 4.6 40 is good for you and me but not for a WR
Not NFL caliber | 8:52 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
If you want to look at the last great WR to come out of this state, you have to
look at Kevin Curtis. Kevin was able to run a 4.30 40 time.
Collie has other intangibles along with his size that might give him a shot, but I don't see any Jerry Rice comparisons in his future.
I'll predict that he makes the Cowboys scout team and has a clash of ego's with Terrell Owens that sends him running home after two weeks.
Collie has other intangibles along with his size that might give him a shot, but I don't see any Jerry Rice comparisons in his future.
I'll predict that he makes the Cowboys scout team and has a clash of ego's with Terrell Owens that sends him running home after two weeks.
Golden Richards | 8:54 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
finished playing at Hawaii, not BYU. He was kicked out and went there to
finish.
BYU has _never_ had a wide become an established receiver in the NFL and it's all because of speed. They've had few precise/possession receivers who contributed in CFL and NFL, and almost exclusively in limited play.
BYU has _never_ had a wide become an established receiver in the NFL and it's all because of speed. They've had few precise/possession receivers who contributed in CFL and NFL, and almost exclusively in limited play.
re: Clayton | 9:00 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Yeah, I'm sure the only difference between your passes and Max's would
be timing, velocity, and accuracy -- late, slow, telegraphed floaters in the
general area of the receiver easily picked off by defensive backs.
We're all great arm-chair quarterbacks, but it's a little different when you strap on the pads and have to make a quick read and accurate throw with a 275-lb defensive lineman bearing down on you at full throttle.
We're all great arm-chair quarterbacks, but it's a little different when you strap on the pads and have to make a quick read and accurate throw with a 275-lb defensive lineman bearing down on you at full throttle.
Anonymous | 9:01 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
It's hard to run the ball when teams stack 8 in the box. That's the
formula to beat BYU. Stack 8 in the box and make the receivers beat you. All
these Ute fans need to give Collie a break. Jerry Rice dropped a few easy balls
and the only reason you don't think the other BYU great receivers dropped
balls is because it was so long ago.
Erod | 9:03 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Clayton, please keep telling yourself and everyone else thqt you could be
BYU's QB, your kids love it I am sure.
BYU quarterbacks in the NFL not having much success. Steve Young, Hall of Fame, League MVP (2), Super Bowl Champ (1) as a starter, and all time career passer rating leader.
Jim McMahon, lead team to a Superbowl victory in 1985. Had a very successful career.
Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer all had long careers in the NFL. All started for their teams, but may not have been starters for a long time. But, they are all receiving retirement checks from the NFL.
So please, don't tell me that BYU QB haven't succeeded in the NFL. There is not a lot of other schools that can boast 2 starting QBs that won Superbowls for their teams. That alone is a sign of success.
BYU quarterbacks in the NFL not having much success. Steve Young, Hall of Fame, League MVP (2), Super Bowl Champ (1) as a starter, and all time career passer rating leader.
Jim McMahon, lead team to a Superbowl victory in 1985. Had a very successful career.
Gifford Nielsen, Marc Wilson, Ty Detmer all had long careers in the NFL. All started for their teams, but may not have been starters for a long time. But, they are all receiving retirement checks from the NFL.
So please, don't tell me that BYU QB haven't succeeded in the NFL. There is not a lot of other schools that can boast 2 starting QBs that won Superbowls for their teams. That alone is a sign of success.
Come on, pro? | 9:04 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Why does everyone always assume that if you do well at BYU, you'll be
playing pro? Isn't this the kid who made the moronic comment last year
about "being righteous and living right" was the reason the cougs beat
the Utes? Let's wait and see if yet another "top" BYU player does
NOT make it pro.
Re: To: On Deck | 9:11 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I'm not sure what you're talking about. 2nd stringers regularly get
into games in the NFL as they rotate players in and out all the time to keep
them fresh. If the original poster was referring to Watkins being a 2nd stringer
because he never plays but is perhaps just an injury away from playing, then
that's a different story.
Golden Richards? | 9:14 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
does the fact that when he was drafted by the Cowboys in 1973 in the second
round even matter to you guys that he was drafted from the University of
Hawaii?? it's a sad story and not worthy of Cougar fans clinging onto as a
proud alumnus
Re: On Deck | 9:16 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Very few NFL players are significant contributors in their first couple of years
in the league. Most take a little while to break into the starting lineup.
Todd Watkins ran a 4.41 in the NFL combines coming out of college -- plenty fast enough to play in the NFL.
Todd Watkins ran a 4.41 in the NFL combines coming out of college -- plenty fast enough to play in the NFL.
CougarKeith | 9:18 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
You really want to know how fast Mark Collie is? I'll prove my point about
his devotion to this team, and his true character when you see how fast he jumps
ship for the NFL draft come April! Remember he has another year of eligibility,
but that won't change the fact the kid is thinking Dollars not sense! Every
BYU guy who leaves early is a FAILURE in the NFL, which for BYU early leavers
equals "Not For Long" when you bail out on your team, look at Luke
Staley and others! Stay in school and don't bail! That will show how
devoted he is to the school, it's football program and everything else.
Look at Plaistead, he will be in Europe most likely, or the "Utah
Flash" league, and that is failure for a guy like that who needed another
year of maturity. When will these kids learn??? Keep the pro scouts out of
practices, and away from our Juniors! They are doing more harm than good!
Especially these greedy agents who want the quick buck and could care less about
our athletes! Word of Wisdom for BYU athletes, "Don't Listen To Their
Siren Song!!!"
Can't wait | 9:23 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
We now know who you are Collie. We will be waiting for you in the backfield this
year. Keep talking your smack. We are listening to every word. Make sure you
have a good disability policy come Nov. 22nd.
Ute Secondary
Ute Secondary
Jerry Rice | 9:23 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Many players have gone on to have stellar NFL careers after recording a
"disappointing" 40 time -- for example:
Jerry Rice reportedly ran a 4.71 second 40-yard dash (regarded as a mediocre figure for a wide receiver).[1] He went on to play in 13 Pro Bowls, win 3 Super Bowls, and break numerous NFL receiving records NFL records (at the time of his retirement he had 28 NFL records). Said former teammate Ronnie Lott, "Jerry may have been a 4.6 or a 4.7, but he was a 4.2 on Sundays." Rice was also generally noted for being able to run as fast a 40-yard dash under the weight of heavy NFL padding as he could in track gear.
Jerry Rice reportedly ran a 4.71 second 40-yard dash (regarded as a mediocre figure for a wide receiver).[1] He went on to play in 13 Pro Bowls, win 3 Super Bowls, and break numerous NFL receiving records NFL records (at the time of his retirement he had 28 NFL records). Said former teammate Ronnie Lott, "Jerry may have been a 4.6 or a 4.7, but he was a 4.2 on Sundays." Rice was also generally noted for being able to run as fast a 40-yard dash under the weight of heavy NFL padding as he could in track gear.
utah sports kill me | 9:26 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Re: Speed over-rated
Miami was formerly of the Big East, now playing in the ACC. Not an SEC team bud
Miami was formerly of the Big East, now playing in the ACC. Not an SEC team bud
KOZ | 9:31 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
That statement is not true. Koslowski played for the Bears for a number of years
and had a very repectable career.
You go BYU!! | 9:37 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
BYU will NOT finish the season undefeated. In fact, they won't enter the
game with Utah undefeated. Fact is, BYU can't win on the road. Spin it Y
fans, but BYU struggled away against a PATHETIC UW team (Sagarin rating #108)
and couldn't run up the score against the Aggies (#124). The Y's best
win is against UCLA (#74). Lucky the game was scheduled in the Bubble. Their
other home wins - Northern Iowa #110 and Wyoming #144.
BYU is deserving of its ranking.
BYU is deserving of its ranking.
Give it up loser | 9:43 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
Golden Richards may have finished his senior year at Hawaii, but he spent most
of his college career at BYU.
His official NFL bio, from NFL.com lists only BYU:
Golden Richards
Height: 6-1 Weight: 181 Age: 57
Born: 12/31/1950 Salt Lake City , UT
College: Brigham Young
Experience: 7 Seasons
His official NFL bio, from NFL.com lists only BYU:
Golden Richards
Height: 6-1 Weight: 181 Age: 57
Born: 12/31/1950 Salt Lake City , UT
College: Brigham Young
Experience: 7 Seasons
JD | 10:13 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
The article also says Collie ran a 4.4 The difference between a 4.6 and 4.4
sometimes is the timer. Give Collie some credit, he is open an awful lot so he
obviously has some tools. As far as the NFL, wait and see...I wouldn't rule
it out just yet.
Real Speed Next Season | 10:16 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
BYU will have a wealth of experience and talent returning next season at WR
(everywhere really). Haffoka and Ashworth are in the Collie/Glen Kozlowski
traditional BYU WR mold (tough, precise, good hands, decent speed) and will be
very good. But we have some genuine track speed competing for Reed's
playing time in RM McKay Jacobson and O'neill Chambers. Those two give us
legitimate punt and kickoff return threats and some unusual (for BYU) speed at
the WR position.
Quarterbacks | 10:23 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I wouldn't consider Detmer, Wilson or Nielson as making a difference in the
NFL. Outside of Utah, no one would know who they were. Virgil Carter had a
better career than those three and he is an unknown.
Comparing | 10:26 a.m. Oct. 9, 2008
I hope you are not comparing Collie to Jerry Rice? That would be crazy. Jerry
Rice ran a 4.4 40. Where did you get 4.71.....Was that when he had a pulled
hammy?
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