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GeeBee | 1:07 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
So enough with all this conservation and attempts at cleaning up our air...
Lew Jeppson | 1:43 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Every day on KSL radio Sean Hannity repeats the "global warming hoax"
mantra. Whereas at the last University of Utah commencement Nobel Prize winner
Mario Capecchi reaffirmed the reality of global warming and its fix - reduction
in CO2 emissions. Are you saying I should believe Hannity over Capecchi?
You've got to be kidding.
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Grimble | 3:13 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Well then, if someone from Nephi said it in a letter to the editor, it must be
true. Forget about all those scientists!
Jason | 5:52 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
People who continue to deny the fact that global warming exists are fools! And
this letter writer is a good example of that! When will people start waking up?
100+ degree weather this summer in Utah? Are you kidding me? I've lived
here 30+ years and have never experience a summer like this before. The evidence
is overwhelming. The only reason why the naysayers are saying no is because they
hate Al Gore and that is the only reason to even attempt to debunk global
warming because it came from Al Gore. Scientists for decades have warned us
about global warming, long before Al Gore got on the green bandwagon. He did not
invent the idea. Give me a break. Typical conservative stupidity!
Doug | 6:04 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Basically, if we hadn't had global warming, we'd still be in an Ice
Age with glaciers covering the planet. The question now is..how much impact
does Human activity have on the change..based on temperature readings since the
1800's ..very little, if any! For my part, I believe the global warming
scare is another "DDT"/"End of the World" scam.
Nathan Seegmiller | 6:23 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Global warming is a hoax....It's just a ruse to get a global carbon tax
imposed on the peoples of the world.
Nathan Seegmiller | 6:30 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Global Warming is a hoax...It's just a ruse to impose a global carbon tax
on the peoples of the world.
Anonymous | 6:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
So what do conservatives like Russell aim to conserve anyway?
@Ron | 6:51 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
That comment reflects your lack of scientific understanding. No worries mate,
very few others demonstrate much thought on this page.
Matthew | 6:59 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Regardless of the evidence that weather is changing (and the idea that change is
new), CO2 has not been successfully (scientifically) tied to the changes
we've seen (I know it�s hard to believe based on what
we hear).
It has been stated and argued that "all things being equal" an increase in CO2 will cause an increase in temperature. However, the atmospheric feedback mechanisms involved, whether positive or negative, are under-studied and not understood. See publications by climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer for clarification.
The most impressive erroneous belief, held by many scientists and laymen alike, is the idea that we are approaching a tipping-point or a �point of no return.� This conclusion is based on a numeric model (singular within the IPCC report) and assumed �climate sensitivity� variables. See a recent, peer-reviewed publication by Lord Monckton of Brenchley for a thorough analysis of this portion of the IPCC report.
This is GOOD NEWS, folks.
It has been stated and argued that "all things being equal" an increase in CO2 will cause an increase in temperature. However, the atmospheric feedback mechanisms involved, whether positive or negative, are under-studied and not understood. See publications by climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer for clarification.
The most impressive erroneous belief, held by many scientists and laymen alike, is the idea that we are approaching a tipping-point or a �point of no return.� This conclusion is based on a numeric model (singular within the IPCC report) and assumed �climate sensitivity� variables. See a recent, peer-reviewed publication by Lord Monckton of Brenchley for a thorough analysis of this portion of the IPCC report.
This is GOOD NEWS, folks.
Scientists | 7:04 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
I will go with the Majority of scientists on this issue. Stop the ignorance and
educate yourself- at least respect the earth and try to do your part in keeping
the air and water clean
Anonymous | 7:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Oh brother.
Yet another wacked-out Limbaughite spouting partisan party BS.
Yet another wacked-out Limbaughite spouting partisan party BS.
Fry | 7:29 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Are you related to the Bender on Futurama? I'm betting on it!
Oil's made a bundle too! | 7:40 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
This writer accuses Al Gore of making a bundle on perpetuating public acceptance
of the science behind global warming. But haven't the oil companies made a
bundle too in denying global warming, defeating fuel efficiency standards in
cars, and making us more dependent on oil? Haven't George Bush and Dick
Cheney profited (their investments, retirement funds, etc.) from setting
policies that keep America dependent on oil? Haven't the oil companies
made a bundle on a resource that pollutes the air and funds terrorists, Mideast
oil barrons, and Venesuela? What's worse -- believing in global warming OR
sticking with the status quo that profits some, but threatens America's
security and quality of life?
Gee Ron | 8:09 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Hey Ron- the Pine Beetle is more prevelant in southern states like GA, MS, AL,
FL, SC, etc. These are areas that may get a hard freeze every 5 years. It's
not global warming that helps the beetles. It's enviros that enact
legislation to keep foresters from thinning the dead pine trees that helps grow
the beetle population.
dcc | 8:10 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
The real bundle is made by the oil companies. They had record profits last
quarter. They are certainly not concerned with driving the US economy into the
ground. I prefer to drive less, buy less gas and thumb my nose at the oil
companies and the Saudi's.
Mc | 8:18 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Ron,
It's just part of the natural cycles that the earth has always gone through. Warming periods followed by cooling periods. Something to adjust to, not panic over, especially since man really has no control.
It's just part of the natural cycles that the earth has always gone through. Warming periods followed by cooling periods. Something to adjust to, not panic over, especially since man really has no control.
Karl | 9:05 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Yes, I filthier the air the better I like it.
Please, please, keep having large famlies, and do not try and make things on earth inhabitable for future generations.
Lets hurry and distroy the earth because we have our God given rights.
Please, please, keep having large famlies, and do not try and make things on earth inhabitable for future generations.
Lets hurry and distroy the earth because we have our God given rights.
DL Rupper | 9:12 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Global warming is all about control. Control of you and me. What a hoax.
Anonymous | 9:20 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
I've come to believe that many who dismiss global warming are selfish and
lazy. It's way easier to maintain the status quo than accept any lifestyle
change.
@ Lew Jeppson | 9:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Are you saying I should give any weight to recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize?
Al Gore, Yasser Arafat. You have got to be kidding!
Brian | 9:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Search You Tube for Global Warming...and get an education.
MEB | 10:00 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Right, Grimble, forget about all of those scientists who have been saying all
along that man's contribution to global warming is negligible. Forget all
of those scientists who signed onto the original IPCC findings, but have since
retracted based on new findings. Only listen to the scientists who are
pandering for more Federal funding.
MEB | 10:02 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
I don't know, Anonymous 6:44, why don't you support a liberal use of
our resources?
wrz | 10:06 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
"Are you saying I should believe Hannity over Capecchi? You've got to
be kidding." - Lew Jeppson
Lew, too funny. Hannity is not a scientist. When he talks global warming he is referencing other scientists.
There's logical arguments on each side of the issue. One thing's for sure. The earth has had hundreds of heating and cooling periods over the last 400,000 years... But only this one man-made??? Um, quantum leap.
Lew, too funny. Hannity is not a scientist. When he talks global warming he is referencing other scientists.
There's logical arguments on each side of the issue. One thing's for sure. The earth has had hundreds of heating and cooling periods over the last 400,000 years... But only this one man-made??? Um, quantum leap.
Anonymous | 10:07 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
are we still having this discussion? I haven't noticed too many global
warming stories this summer - on account of it being so cool I imagine
Sleepin' in the bed we made | 10:09 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
American schools have done a terrible job teaching students how science works.
We've become a nation of science-illiterates.
Mr. Bender is a perfect example.
One more time, people. AM radio blowhards gassing about a "hoax" and sneering about Al Gore does not constitute a valid rebuttal to the research done by professional climate researchers.
Mr. Bender is a perfect example.
One more time, people. AM radio blowhards gassing about a "hoax" and sneering about Al Gore does not constitute a valid rebuttal to the research done by professional climate researchers.
Ernest T. Bass | 10:19 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Why is it the repugs think its a hoax but actual scientists, the ones who study
physics, chemistry and climate believe it's real?
The repugs need to remove their repug goggles and see the world and it's problems for what they are.
Republican 'leadership' is taking us every so quickly downhill.
Besides that, many of the republicans around here believe in actual hoaxes.
The repugs need to remove their repug goggles and see the world and it's problems for what they are.
Republican 'leadership' is taking us every so quickly downhill.
Besides that, many of the republicans around here believe in actual hoaxes.
Agki | 10:22 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Roy Spencer believes that the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine petition
actually means something. He said (in 2007) that the signatures of the 19,000
"scientists" are being ignored. Of course! The petition is a hoax as
is the OISM!
Tommie | 10:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
I am honestly getting SICK AND TIRED OF THIS! WHY is it okay for liberals, democrats, and anybody but conservatives to have any view they want and not be an ignorant, naive, wackjob, but of course conservatives are crazy because of their views?
Honestly, STOP IT! Don't attack the person, as most do in this forum, maybe attack the idea, and give reasons why the writer is wrong, which I don't is possible because the evidence suggesting it doesn't exist is very large( Like the fact that the ice caps and glaciers aren't melting, or that Volcanoes let out more C02 naturally than humans have produced since the begining of the industrial age to present combined).
MAN MADE global warming is a farce, and regardless of what you believe on this issue, don't attack a person because they don't hold your views.
Grimble | 10:33 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Matthew cites one outlier scientist, Roy Spencer. The overwhelming scientific
consensus makes Spencer look like a moonbat.
To McCain a sentence from Wikipedia: "With the July 2007 release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists[!], no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate."
So, we have every national and international body of scientists on one side. We have Roy Spencer and the letter writer from Nephi on the other.
Hmmm....
To McCain a sentence from Wikipedia: "With the July 2007 release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists[!], no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate."
So, we have every national and international body of scientists on one side. We have Roy Spencer and the letter writer from Nephi on the other.
Hmmm....
wrz | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Oil's made a bundle too! 7:40 a.m. - "This writer accuses Al Gore of
making a bundle on perpetuating public acceptance of the science behind global
warming. But haven't the oil companies made a bundle too in denying global
warming..."
First, I don't think you can say oil companies have denied global warming. I think you'd be hard pressed to show they have said anything about it. Further, there is nothing illegal about making a bundle. These companies are owned by stockholders for whom they work, and it's their charge to maximize profits. It's called the American free enterprise system.
First, I don't think you can say oil companies have denied global warming. I think you'd be hard pressed to show they have said anything about it. Further, there is nothing illegal about making a bundle. These companies are owned by stockholders for whom they work, and it's their charge to maximize profits. It's called the American free enterprise system.
thats funny | 10:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
mc were supposed to be in a cooling period
Sue | 10:53 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
"I've come to believe that many who dismiss global warming are selfish
and lazy. It's way easier to maintain the status quo than accept any
lifestyle change."- So true, so true!! And to selfish and lazy, I'd
add "ignorant."
Tommie | 11:17 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
To Ernest T. Bass:
There are plenty of scientists that have proof it is a hoax. Liberals just don't like to cite their findings.
There are plenty of scientists that have proof it is a hoax. Liberals just don't like to cite their findings.
Oh Please | 11:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Fact: average air temperature has increased 1.33 degrees since 1910.
(Temperature long-term trend between 1400 AD and 1900 AD was virtually
invariable.)Fact: CO2 has increased from 315 to 385 ppm since 1960. What these
numbers signify, I don't know. But global warming is not a
"hoax," it is a measurable and well-established fact.
Anonymous | 12:23 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Most the anti global warming arguments I've read break down when I research
them. Once cold fusion was touted. After peer review cold fusion became a joke.
Science weeds out bad science.
Tommie | 12:55 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
The idea that volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans is false. Please google
USGS volcanoes carbon dioxide to find out that humans produce 130 times the CO2
of volcanoes annually.
MEB | 12:58 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
@Ernest - Google "Global Warming Scientists" and the first thing you
come to (you can even hit "I feel lucky") is a Wikipedia list of some
of the hundreds of scientists who have come out against the global warming hoax.
And don't lecture me about science until you can tell me what 3 Trillion divided by 300 Million turns out to be. I think you still believe it's 1 million!
And don't lecture me about science until you can tell me what 3 Trillion divided by 300 Million turns out to be. I think you still believe it's 1 million!
dcc | 1:08 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Tommie:
the right-wing talking heads started the name calling and you didn't seem to find that objectionable. Now it's coming back at you and you don't like it. Well TOO BAD and get used to it!
Go find the scientists.
the right-wing talking heads started the name calling and you didn't seem to find that objectionable. Now it's coming back at you and you don't like it. Well TOO BAD and get used to it!
Go find the scientists.
Grimble | 1:11 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Tommie and others:
The reason liberals tend to use strong language is because conservative won't listen to simple reason, reasonably stated. There is an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming -- those that dispute it are in the very, very tiny minority. But they are very, very loud, because they are given a megaphone by Limbaugh and the oil industry.
So when conservatives here in the Utah bubble call anything they don't agree with a media conspiracy, because they simply can't fathom that the right-wing media has been so unbelievably wrong and misleading, forgive us liberals for raising our voices every so often.
The reason liberals tend to use strong language is because conservative won't listen to simple reason, reasonably stated. There is an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming -- those that dispute it are in the very, very tiny minority. But they are very, very loud, because they are given a megaphone by Limbaugh and the oil industry.
So when conservatives here in the Utah bubble call anything they don't agree with a media conspiracy, because they simply can't fathom that the right-wing media has been so unbelievably wrong and misleading, forgive us liberals for raising our voices every so often.
Mark | 1:14 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Matthew, my fellow synoptic, only someone delusional could interpret the
increase in CO2 and attendant climate change as "good news". Please
do not malign a perfectly good phrase that is associated with the Gospel.
Enron | 1:15 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Gee Ron, by your reasoning, the healthiest forests in the world are the
one's most managed by humans, and the forests "where the hand of man
has never set foot", are doubtless weak and struggling, almost dead.
I'm pretty sure I read this in National Geographic.
To Utah Hannity lovers | 1:43 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
To many people, especially in the state of Utah love to believe in Hoax's.
And they hate to actually use ligitimate sources for their information.
They prefer to listen to the radio, and use reading sources that only agree with their illogical conclusions, and usually the ideas are set forth by shills for the oil companys, and other such trash.
They hate the idea of peer reviewed science that the majority of scientists use to study and make their conclusions.
This non-thinking is learned in church usually.
It is called "ward speak". Along with Global warming Red Utah loves to believe false rumers about the (black guy) Obama being a secret shill for the muslims and other such trash.
Grow up Utah. Why don't you care about the earth?
And they hate to actually use ligitimate sources for their information.
They prefer to listen to the radio, and use reading sources that only agree with their illogical conclusions, and usually the ideas are set forth by shills for the oil companys, and other such trash.
They hate the idea of peer reviewed science that the majority of scientists use to study and make their conclusions.
This non-thinking is learned in church usually.
It is called "ward speak". Along with Global warming Red Utah loves to believe false rumers about the (black guy) Obama being a secret shill for the muslims and other such trash.
Grow up Utah. Why don't you care about the earth?
Charles | 2:11 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Jason,
Thanks for the laugh. Hot in Utah this summer? We haven't even had 5 days over 100, the average! Last year we had 17 days over 100.
Talk about ignorance on the subject.
And there is no, none, nada, scientific data that says any global warming is caused by man. Isn't it wonderful to have high's today, August 16th of high 70's and low 80's and many Maple trees on 3rd East in Draper are changing their colors as of yesterday.
Grimble and ETBass continue to show huge ignorance on all issues. Just liberal political hacks who spew their garbage each day....
to Oh Please and temperatures during the last 7-8 years have decreased. So what make you of those facts....well-established? in your ALgore mind maybe but not the rest of the world who can think for themselves...
The debate isn't over, the consensus was a joke....
Thanks for the laugh. Hot in Utah this summer? We haven't even had 5 days over 100, the average! Last year we had 17 days over 100.
Talk about ignorance on the subject.
And there is no, none, nada, scientific data that says any global warming is caused by man. Isn't it wonderful to have high's today, August 16th of high 70's and low 80's and many Maple trees on 3rd East in Draper are changing their colors as of yesterday.
Grimble and ETBass continue to show huge ignorance on all issues. Just liberal political hacks who spew their garbage each day....
to Oh Please and temperatures during the last 7-8 years have decreased. So what make you of those facts....well-established? in your ALgore mind maybe but not the rest of the world who can think for themselves...
The debate isn't over, the consensus was a joke....
What's amazing | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
is the intellectual contortions required to avoid acceptance of any
responsibility for the health of the planet.
Some day we're going to have to pay the piper for our over-consumption and it's not going to be pretty.
We can't live on credit forever....
What's even more amazing is that you can deny that the climate is changing as a result of human activity, but you can believe in a supernatural being in the sky. Wow.
Our species has a long way to go.
I hope we get there.
Some day we're going to have to pay the piper for our over-consumption and it's not going to be pretty.
We can't live on credit forever....
What's even more amazing is that you can deny that the climate is changing as a result of human activity, but you can believe in a supernatural being in the sky. Wow.
Our species has a long way to go.
I hope we get there.
wrz | 2:36 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Increases in CO2 merely means we've cut down too much forest. Reseed
vigorously and the problem mostly goes away.
Mike Richards | 2:37 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
There is a lot of controversy about the "scientists" that support
global warming.
From Wikipedia:
"The work of the IPCC has attracted controversy and criticism, including some from experts invited by the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] to submit reports or serve on its panels.
In blog posts, Roger A. Pielke contends that the IPCC distorted the evidence by not including scientific results that questioned anthropogenic [caused by humans] global warming. These criticisms have been described as "failed" by William Connolley. Pielke also perceived a conflict of interest in the IPCC assessment process, since the "same individuals who are doing primary research in the role of humans on the climate system are then permitted to lead the assessment! ... Assessment Committees should not be an opportunity for members to highlight their own research." There is no obvious solution to this problem, since scientists with sufficient knowledge of the field to serve on the IPCC and scientists who have written noteworthy papers in the field are essentially the same group."
From Wikipedia:
"The work of the IPCC has attracted controversy and criticism, including some from experts invited by the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] to submit reports or serve on its panels.
In blog posts, Roger A. Pielke contends that the IPCC distorted the evidence by not including scientific results that questioned anthropogenic [caused by humans] global warming. These criticisms have been described as "failed" by William Connolley. Pielke also perceived a conflict of interest in the IPCC assessment process, since the "same individuals who are doing primary research in the role of humans on the climate system are then permitted to lead the assessment! ... Assessment Committees should not be an opportunity for members to highlight their own research." There is no obvious solution to this problem, since scientists with sufficient knowledge of the field to serve on the IPCC and scientists who have written noteworthy papers in the field are essentially the same group."
Grover | 3:09 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008
Hey,hey why waste all these characters on Global Warming and just create more
heat? If we fix problem of our dependence on foreign oil, we will become the
world leader and model of greenhouse gas control at the same time. HENCE, no
controversy! Unless you also deny our dependence on terrorist oil?
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The Rocky mountain Pine beetle is killing alot of Lodgepole pine in Utah and Colorado.
What kills the Pine Beetle? COLD WINTER WEATHER and we are not having the winters to kill the beetle so they are killing the forest.