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blaming 9/11 on the Gays??!?? | 5:52 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
Now I've seen everything, and I'm only 82! Someone on here actually
blames the attacks of 9/11 on gay people, oh my. I seem to remember we were
attacked by religious fanatics who hate gays, by Muslims who decapitate
homosexuals in the public square of their country.
I do not support gay marriage, but I do not oppose civil unions or whatever else people want to call their special friendships. But if you keep blaming the gay Americans for 9/11, I might just volunteer for the gay cause!
Rebeca Sorenson
I do not support gay marriage, but I do not oppose civil unions or whatever else people want to call their special friendships. But if you keep blaming the gay Americans for 9/11, I might just volunteer for the gay cause!
Rebeca Sorenson
Paul in MD | 6:39 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
To re: Brad @11:00 pm 8/12
I'm sorry your experience in the church has been so bad. I've also lived in many wards, and while I have found some people who are as you describe (highly judgmental and unsupportive), my experience has been that LDS are generally not judgmental and are very supportive.
I've also noticed that my own estimation of someone on those counts has been different than other peoples', and often the difference is in our own scores on those two issues. Judgmental people tend to view others as judgmental, and unsupportive people tend to see no support from others.
I'm sorry your experience in the church has been so bad. I've also lived in many wards, and while I have found some people who are as you describe (highly judgmental and unsupportive), my experience has been that LDS are generally not judgmental and are very supportive.
I've also noticed that my own estimation of someone on those counts has been different than other peoples', and often the difference is in our own scores on those two issues. Judgmental people tend to view others as judgmental, and unsupportive people tend to see no support from others.
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Paul in MD | 7:06 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
To anonymous @ 8:44 am 8/13
Loving anyone you meet for the first time or don't share some family ties is VERY difficult for most people. Loving someone who you know does something wrong (I'm not talking about SSA here) is more difficult still.
Parents teach their children to avoid people they know do something wrong because they don't want their kids to pick up on bad behavior. As children grow, that training needs to be tempered so children can learn when to spend time with people who sin and when not to (don't hang out with kids while they're doing drugs, but don't shun them if you see one at church, etc.).
If we don't do that, we teach our children to only interact with sinless people, and eventually they will figure out there aren't any, even their parents.
I think if you look carefully, you'll find a lot of information on this in conference talks. I don't know if there is one specifically devoted to this topic, but I've noticed that almost every talk has reference to loving people.
Loving anyone you meet for the first time or don't share some family ties is VERY difficult for most people. Loving someone who you know does something wrong (I'm not talking about SSA here) is more difficult still.
Parents teach their children to avoid people they know do something wrong because they don't want their kids to pick up on bad behavior. As children grow, that training needs to be tempered so children can learn when to spend time with people who sin and when not to (don't hang out with kids while they're doing drugs, but don't shun them if you see one at church, etc.).
If we don't do that, we teach our children to only interact with sinless people, and eventually they will figure out there aren't any, even their parents.
I think if you look carefully, you'll find a lot of information on this in conference talks. I don't know if there is one specifically devoted to this topic, but I've noticed that almost every talk has reference to loving people.
sunnykc | 8:47 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
While I have compassion for gays I, too, think it arrogant of Affirmative to
feel they can "lobby" the church with their "cause." More
needs to be learned and accomplished about this malady of same sex attraction
but blessing it is not the answer.
I agree that more needs | 11:18 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
to be learned. And I don't think that some religions will ever
"bless" same sex attraction. I applaud "Affirmation" for
trying to make information available to the LDS church and for helping people to
understand who they are and that they are from "God" too. But I feel
that some of them may be better served by going on with their lives and finding
happiness elsewhere than in the LDS church. I had issues with the LDS church
that were different (and yet the same too) as they have and I found happiness
and peace elsewhere.
Paul B. J. | 2:07 p.m. Aug. 15, 2008
Gay people are whiny cry babies. And "BIG" trouble makers. They like
to throw fits about anything and everything, and can as well be very vengeful. I
have known a few of them and I am not impressed with them or their lifestyle
whatsoever! They do however need a lot of counseling. Hopefully some will have
some for a very selfish non giving group of people.
Get some help | 2:19 p.m. Aug. 15, 2008
Mark my word! If men continue to marry men the world will definitely no doubt
come to an end, and that goes for women too. You folks really need to take hold
and repent from your unnatural sexual behavior. God never intended men to have
sex with men. The body is NOT built for such evil practices of total wickedness.
Anonyme | 8:12 p.m. Aug. 15, 2008
Leviticus 15:16-18: Go and wash:
Verses 16 and 17 refer to a man's ejaculation but does not contain a reference to a sexual partner. This is interpreted by some as referring to ejaculation resulting from masturbation while the man is alone. The verses read: "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
Verse 18 appears to refer to a man and woman having engaged in sexual intercourse. It declares that both parties are ritually unclean because of the man's ejaculation of semen. They are both required to bathe. They remain ritual unclean for the rest of the day: The verse reads: "The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
The passage does not condemn the practice. As far as some Church Leaders condemning the practice: they should read the Scriptures.
Verses 16 and 17 refer to a man's ejaculation but does not contain a reference to a sexual partner. This is interpreted by some as referring to ejaculation resulting from masturbation while the man is alone. The verses read: "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
Verse 18 appears to refer to a man and woman having engaged in sexual intercourse. It declares that both parties are ritually unclean because of the man's ejaculation of semen. They are both required to bathe. They remain ritual unclean for the rest of the day: The verse reads: "The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
The passage does not condemn the practice. As far as some Church Leaders condemning the practice: they should read the Scriptures.
TM | 11:50 p.m. Aug. 15, 2008
To Sue!
Awww Sue, I Love you for your comment and I wish you luck with you and your son!! Now that's what all LDS memebers hearts need to be!! Sue understands both parts and she has knowledge of the gospel , I just wish I had a mother like you, because My mother keeps asking so I guess she has an Idea but I still Love my beautiful mother! and she will still except me but I just dont want to break her heart ya know!! idk Its hard I love the church and have a testimony and I want to serve my mission as well but its hard to decide because I am gay and I so want to go and its a good thing if I go and its also a good thing not to go because of my orientations so idk.....
Awww Sue, I Love you for your comment and I wish you luck with you and your son!! Now that's what all LDS memebers hearts need to be!! Sue understands both parts and she has knowledge of the gospel , I just wish I had a mother like you, because My mother keeps asking so I guess she has an Idea but I still Love my beautiful mother! and she will still except me but I just dont want to break her heart ya know!! idk Its hard I love the church and have a testimony and I want to serve my mission as well but its hard to decide because I am gay and I so want to go and its a good thing if I go and its also a good thing not to go because of my orientations so idk.....
Kathryn | 9:48 p.m. Aug. 17, 2008
wrz | 10:22 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
CP | 9:04 p.m.:
"I always knew that animals were smarter then humans because they don't go after those of the same sex - cause they know it's not right or normal."
You don't know the bovine animal very well, do you?
***********
How about Bonobos or rabbits.
CP | 9:04 p.m.:
"I always knew that animals were smarter then humans because they don't go after those of the same sex - cause they know it's not right or normal."
You don't know the bovine animal very well, do you?
***********
How about Bonobos or rabbits.
TBA | 5:02 a.m. Aug. 19, 2008
I'm amased at the astounding amount of ignorance and hatred (which is
un-Christlike) on the subject of homosexuality combined with Christianity in
this blog. Before posting comments, how about reading and studying facts first
as reality is, and not as what you perceive it to be. There are so many books
and other information available on this subject such as websites. Did those who
made untrue, inflammatory comments towards the Affirmation group or Christian
gays actually go to the website and read what it is all about before flying off
their handles? What are the people here so afraid of?
concerned reader | 9:51 a.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Thank you to those readers who are successfully overcoming SSA. What inspiring
comments! If you can make such headway, then we all can in our own areas of
needed change!
adam to steve | 10:38 a.m. Aug. 28, 2008
Obviously some Mormons are very confused, there is no such thing as "Gay
Marriage" in the LDS Church; there are no "Gay Mormons" and no
"Gay Rights." We have members that are faithful, and those who are
not. Our doctrine is made clear on family issues and the prophets have now
spoken. Be assured, I sustain all faithful Latter-day Saints, including those
gay or straight. Homosexuality is still a sin and freedom of choice is
ultimately your own decision -- CTR.
All human rights are protected under civil laws and they are equal for everyone. Your sexual preference and personal taste is not a function of the federal government. Our Religious Freedom is a guarantee under the Constitution. People finding it rather
difficult to reconcile their own sexual orientation and Religious beliefs are free to choose some other way. No one is being held against their own will, so what's the problem?
Affirmation should stop trying to change that which
they cannot change. Now get over yourself and stop complaining!
All human rights are protected under civil laws and they are equal for everyone. Your sexual preference and personal taste is not a function of the federal government. Our Religious Freedom is a guarantee under the Constitution. People finding it rather
difficult to reconcile their own sexual orientation and Religious beliefs are free to choose some other way. No one is being held against their own will, so what's the problem?
Affirmation should stop trying to change that which
they cannot change. Now get over yourself and stop complaining!
Anonymous | 4:59 p.m. Sept. 2, 2008
@Mormon psycho a fraud. 23 years as a psychiatrist? Time to go back to school,
this time to study humility. Many disorders people have are not textbook, but
cross boundaries in complex ways. I myself have suffered from hallucinations,
delusional thoughts, paranoia, loss of affect, and a whole lot of schizophrenic
symptoms, along with many other symptoms. I know of the problem you're
talking about with inability to form coherent words. I have done my own studies
on schizophrenia. I had a problem myself sometimes with being unable to express
myself in a coherent manner, but this was far from complete. I have always been
very strong in writing, and for the most part remained that way throughout the
time I was psychotic. So Mormon Psycho's post doesn't match your idea
of a textbook case? Grow up! Realize that many cases will not!
again, | 5:02 p.m. Sept. 2, 2008
AND the comment "Mentally ill people do not refer to themselves as
"psycho." Whatever. I commonly refer to myself as psycho. I've
heard loads of mentally ill people refer to themselves as psycho. Some mentally
ill people actually have a sense of humor. I find it funny.
Fabio | 5:54 p.m. Sept. 6, 2008
I am interested to have the official view of the Church on this subject. Where
to find it?
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