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Makes me wonder | 1:44 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
If this story is accurate, it makes me wonder whether Affirmation didn't
set this whole deal up so that they could get more media attention and complain
at Sunstone! If they turned down an earlier meeting date to have one in August,
the timing seems interesting, to say the least.
Affirmation | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Wow all these demands from this organization. And what is it they have to offer?
Sounds to me they want to screw up even more youth with their ideas on
sexuality. It is my strong belief that people have choices. They can choose to
be heterosexual, they can choose to be homosexual or what ever floats their
boat. There are a variety of life styles one can choose to live.
With that said, they are going about their negotiating all wrong. Trying to strong arm the Mormon Church in the media is probably not the smartest approach. That is if they were serious about their demands. Looks to me they are more interested in media attention than there �proposed� agenda.
With that said, they are going about their negotiating all wrong. Trying to strong arm the Mormon Church in the media is probably not the smartest approach. That is if they were serious about their demands. Looks to me they are more interested in media attention than there �proposed� agenda.
David | 2:00 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
While the Church does teach being homosexual is not a sin, acting out with
behavior of such is indeed a sin. Apparently that end portion seems to be
skipped over again and again. Just as "Promiscuous mormons seek Church
approval" would also be rejected even if desire to be promiscuous was
something you were born with. If you wish to argue about promiscuity and
homosexuality, please argue with the CDC and the World Health organization.
Oh, and no, I'm not LDS nor do I belong to any religion.
Oh, and no, I'm not LDS nor do I belong to any religion.
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LdsNana-AskMormon | 2:09 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Affirmation are a group of fringe LDS members - who truly believe that it has
always been heavy peer pressure that has caused the Church to change policy and
even doctrine.
This is an incredibly arrogant group of people, who believe that by taking this further into the the public arena - "they" can force a policy change regarding same-sex relationships/homosexuality in the LDS Church.
I do not believe that "revelation", nor the ability to Stand for Something - are things which are well understood here?
I am happy to see that the Church has decided NOT to be bullied by this small sect of members/non-members who oppose the official position regarding homosexuality in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Kathryn Skaggs
Please DIGG this story!
This is an incredibly arrogant group of people, who believe that by taking this further into the the public arena - "they" can force a policy change regarding same-sex relationships/homosexuality in the LDS Church.
I do not believe that "revelation", nor the ability to Stand for Something - are things which are well understood here?
I am happy to see that the Church has decided NOT to be bullied by this small sect of members/non-members who oppose the official position regarding homosexuality in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon
Kathryn Skaggs
Please DIGG this story!
Interested Member | 2:22 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I personally feel for those who struggle with same-gender attraction. I am glad
it is not a trial I've had to face. Many may consider me bigoted to call
it a 'struggle' or a 'trial', but to live righteously it is
a desire that must meet strong personal-resistance, and I thus consider it such.
This said, I find it interesting that Affirmation seeks to "lobby" the church as though it were a government. This is not an organization made "by the people, for the people", rather, it is made "by God, for His children".
I do hope those in the church and the church itself will work to help people overcome their homosexual tendencies. (It is something to be overcome, not just lived with. Easier said than done, granted, but doable.) I believe largely this happens. Truly there is room for improvement - we are imperfect people, so there always will be. But the church is not about to be "swayed by every wind of doctrine," and I hope Affirmation doesn't seek that, because it will only cause them trouble.
This said, I find it interesting that Affirmation seeks to "lobby" the church as though it were a government. This is not an organization made "by the people, for the people", rather, it is made "by God, for His children".
I do hope those in the church and the church itself will work to help people overcome their homosexual tendencies. (It is something to be overcome, not just lived with. Easier said than done, granted, but doable.) I believe largely this happens. Truly there is room for improvement - we are imperfect people, so there always will be. But the church is not about to be "swayed by every wind of doctrine," and I hope Affirmation doesn't seek that, because it will only cause them trouble.
Just Remember | 2:41 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Its important to be kind to everyone, even if they live a different way or have
different beliefs than you. It is also important to stand up for things that
are right and what you believe in. To do both of these you must walk a fine
line...but it is very possible.
John Pack Lambert | 2:49 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
The postponing of the meeting to coincide with the sunstone Symposium strkes
me as interesting to say the least.
To act like same gender attraction is the only issue that children fall into that mothers blame themselves for without any justification just shows that this group is narrowly fixated on one issue while ignoring other issues.
Beyond this to try and demand that a female, not a male, give the talk seems quite audacios. Their demand for a talk that specifies that same gender atraction is not a sin in and of itself ignores the fact that Elder Holland wrote a very eloquent article on this topic that appeared in the October 2007 Ensign. If people do not read the Ensign as much as they listen to general conference, that is not the fault of the leaders of the church, and since this talk can be accessed from lds.org even many church members who do not subscribe to the Ensign may access it.
I think it was the height of hubrus for this group to go public with its demands when the reason the meeting was postponed was totally a result of an unforseen staff cahnge.
To act like same gender attraction is the only issue that children fall into that mothers blame themselves for without any justification just shows that this group is narrowly fixated on one issue while ignoring other issues.
Beyond this to try and demand that a female, not a male, give the talk seems quite audacios. Their demand for a talk that specifies that same gender atraction is not a sin in and of itself ignores the fact that Elder Holland wrote a very eloquent article on this topic that appeared in the October 2007 Ensign. If people do not read the Ensign as much as they listen to general conference, that is not the fault of the leaders of the church, and since this talk can be accessed from lds.org even many church members who do not subscribe to the Ensign may access it.
I think it was the height of hubrus for this group to go public with its demands when the reason the meeting was postponed was totally a result of an unforseen staff cahnge.
My List | 3:45 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Quid pro Quo - Here's my list of wants from Affimation.
1. Speak out in the news or at General Conf. against homosexual practises and lifestyle. Affirming that although a person may have strong feelings for sexual intamacy toward someone of the same sex that it is in fact a sin to enguage in such practises.
2. Admit that the lifestyle is a dangerous one for people to be involved in. Even though one may be gay, staying closer to the Lord and his commandments will provide a surer protection thoughout their lives.
3. Explain, without excusing homosexual acts, the feelings of being gay in society and the feeling of how one is treated within his or her Mormon family, ward, and church as a whole. Help church members understand and be comfortable around someone who has these attractions and is chosing to remain in the Church and follow the Lord instead of the "natural man".
4. Affirm that "Affirmation" is a safe haven for those who are gay but that are looking for assistance to not pursue homosexual acts or it's lifestyle. And invite everyone with desires to understand more (gay or strait) to join.
1. Speak out in the news or at General Conf. against homosexual practises and lifestyle. Affirming that although a person may have strong feelings for sexual intamacy toward someone of the same sex that it is in fact a sin to enguage in such practises.
2. Admit that the lifestyle is a dangerous one for people to be involved in. Even though one may be gay, staying closer to the Lord and his commandments will provide a surer protection thoughout their lives.
3. Explain, without excusing homosexual acts, the feelings of being gay in society and the feeling of how one is treated within his or her Mormon family, ward, and church as a whole. Help church members understand and be comfortable around someone who has these attractions and is chosing to remain in the Church and follow the Lord instead of the "natural man".
4. Affirm that "Affirmation" is a safe haven for those who are gay but that are looking for assistance to not pursue homosexual acts or it's lifestyle. And invite everyone with desires to understand more (gay or strait) to join.
Michael Aaron | 4:28 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Mr. Graham,
At least put your name to your rants.
At least put your name to your rants.
The stand | 4:35 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Affimation is confused with statements from the church. It is not a sin to be
attracted to the same gender, it is a sin to act on that. Similarly it is not a
sin for a young man to be attracted to a young woman, however it would be sin to
pursue intimacy without being married.
Affirmation will never (even with public media harrasment) change the churches stance on their behavior. It will always be considered a demeaning, damaging, destructive and dark sin.
Affirmation will never (even with public media harrasment) change the churches stance on their behavior. It will always be considered a demeaning, damaging, destructive and dark sin.
Don't forget this! | 6:19 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
It is a sin for a man or woman to think about being, or be sexually intimate
with a member of the opposite sex to whom they are not married to. Don't
forget that it is also a sin for homosexuals to think about being, or be
sexually intimate with a member of either sex (unless of course, they happen to
be thinking about their spouse who is the opposite sex to whom they are legally
married to). Homosexuals may get twitterpated when they see some
"hot" member of the same sex, but it needs to stop there and the
thoughts and actions need to stay clean. I get the feeling that
"Affirmation" is just working towards having people let them be gay
and have it be accepted. Unacceptable.
being gay is a sin, no? | 6:22 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Can some one please help me understand how being gay is not a sin? Jesus said to
lust is a sin. Wouldn�t you think that in order to be
sexually attracted to something you lust after it? Ether that be a woman, a man
or a rock? In that case you have sinned. And we know from scripture that every
one has sinned. So, just exactly how is being gay not a sin? Are the Mormon
church leaders wrong or am I just not understanding what they are saying. I
understand how it�s a sin when acted upon but there is a
sin that occurs in the heart before the action.
Story covers only a part | 6:44 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
There are several other magazines and newspapers coving this story. This
happens to be the most pro-Affirmation article I've read (beating out the
one from an on-line gay news paper- On Top Magazine).
This story brought up strong points from Affirmation such as LDS mothers need to know that a child with SSA is not their fault. I agree, but they have also asked for other things like telling mothers that their child doesn't need to be "fixed".
While a meeting with Affirmation may not be a bad thing from Pres. Monson, I strongly discourage such an act. It gives Affirmation way too much publicity, media attention and recognition as a legitimate cause. Their policies are NOT doctrinal, and they should be dealt with as an organization that is trying to destroy the Church.
This story brought up strong points from Affirmation such as LDS mothers need to know that a child with SSA is not their fault. I agree, but they have also asked for other things like telling mothers that their child doesn't need to be "fixed".
While a meeting with Affirmation may not be a bad thing from Pres. Monson, I strongly discourage such an act. It gives Affirmation way too much publicity, media attention and recognition as a legitimate cause. Their policies are NOT doctrinal, and they should be dealt with as an organization that is trying to destroy the Church.
Robert | 7:17 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I know, why don't these people start their own church! They could take what
commandments they wanted from the mormon church and then add what they
wanted!
But they are not interested in that, because they are miserable and full of the devil, they want to destroy the church, that is there purpose!
But they are not interested in that, because they are miserable and full of the devil, they want to destroy the church, that is there purpose!
moxie tenn | 7:17 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Thanks "My List" -- My heart goes out to all affected by this; these
items help LDS be more likely to want to help, and not fear. Very reasonable.
MY SLC | 7:48 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
My advice to any gay members of the church: If you are in Utah find a way out!.
I am the son of a bishop and RM. I left the state for 15 years and it was the
best thing I did. I did move back to SLC on a relocation for business. My
partner and I of 9 years own a house, live in downtown SLC and are very happy.
My family is acceptive (not always approving) but no one plays the guilt
game.
Face it, the LDS church officially will not accept you but it will surprise you how many individual members will and they can be very supportive.
What the church tells its members is their business. As long as the church tries to influence a constitutional amendment that affects US citizens rights I will fight it as I can.
I do not hold any expectations of the church changing but who is to say what holds when we pass on to the other side of the veil?
Face it, the LDS church officially will not accept you but it will surprise you how many individual members will and they can be very supportive.
What the church tells its members is their business. As long as the church tries to influence a constitutional amendment that affects US citizens rights I will fight it as I can.
I do not hold any expectations of the church changing but who is to say what holds when we pass on to the other side of the veil?
Hummer | 7:52 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Affirmation should get their morality straight before making church demands!
John | 8:11 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
While it is talked about as a sin, there are many members that are holyier than
thou! Look in the mirror and see if you are so perfect..... Don't pretend
like everything is right for you and your family. We are here on earth to help,
not bash. The good Lord can take care of himself and will see fit how things
should work out. If it is ment to be for this group to talk about things that
bother them, let them talk. maybe they need help that the church can give them.
Instead you judge and think there is a choice in all of this. There is not!
Would you like us to judge you for your bad cooking or hairstyle?
wyoming native | 8:13 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
To think that this group is trying to tell the church leaders what needs be
addressed in the next general conference is almost something to be laughed at.
Do they not understand that topics of conference addresses are not assigned but
prayed about and pondered about. If they are expecting the church to change
it's position towards homosexuality it's not going to happen and if
they want a good resource to look at they can go to lds.org and read all that
the church has put out concerning this. There is an excellent statement given
by Elder Oaks of the twelve and Elder Wickman of the seventy concerning this
issue, if you have time I would suggest going to the newsroom of the church
website, click on public issues and then click on same gender attraction, it
gives very good insight to the church's stance.
John Lambert | 8:33 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I have a family member who has struggled with same-sex attraction for many
years. As a family, we were compassionate, understanding and let him know that
we loved him unconditionally.
Through many years of counseling with Church leaders and prayer, this person no longer suffers with same-sex attraction and is scheduled for a temple marriage in November.
Never give up on loved ones. Show them unconditional love and support. Pray for them and ask for guidance. I truly believe that anyone dealing with same-sex attraction can be healed by living gospel principles and faith.
Through many years of counseling with Church leaders and prayer, this person no longer suffers with same-sex attraction and is scheduled for a temple marriage in November.
Never give up on loved ones. Show them unconditional love and support. Pray for them and ask for guidance. I truly believe that anyone dealing with same-sex attraction can be healed by living gospel principles and faith.
CP | 9:04 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Ok to the people of Affirmation and those who are supporters: Get it thru your
skulls. IT'S WRONG - IT'S A SIN! There's no way around it. The
LDS Church isn't going to back you up and support any of this. It's
totally against everything. God created Eve to be a companion and help meet for
Adam. He didn't create another Adam. Got it! I always knew that animals
were smarter then humans because they don't go after those of the same sex
- cause they know it's not right or normal. so why can't people who
are supposed to be smarter get that thru their heads.
wrz | 9:01 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
The stand | 4:35 p.m.:
"Affimation is confused with statements from the church. It is not a sin to be attracted to the same gender, it is a sin to act on that."
In other words, two people (one gay, one straight) sitting down to delicious meals in front of them... one can eat with the Church's blessing and one can only look... and drool.
"Affirmation will never (even with public media harrasment) change the churches stance on their behavior. It will always be considered a demeaning, damaging, destructive and dark sin."
If the Church capitulates on this, all sins are on the table.
"Affimation is confused with statements from the church. It is not a sin to be attracted to the same gender, it is a sin to act on that."
In other words, two people (one gay, one straight) sitting down to delicious meals in front of them... one can eat with the Church's blessing and one can only look... and drool.
"Affirmation will never (even with public media harrasment) change the churches stance on their behavior. It will always be considered a demeaning, damaging, destructive and dark sin."
If the Church capitulates on this, all sins are on the table.
Still not affirmed | 9:20 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
The positions and aims of Affirmation would truly be laughable if they were not
so selfish and self-centered. As has been mentioned before, this group has
absolutely no credibility. NONE. When, as a group, they allow people who
clearly believe in child abuse and pedophilia to be members of the group, and
when members of the group are not held responsible for the harm and injury that
they have afflicted on others over the years, then SORRY - this group does NOT
have a leg, much less a position to stand on.
Mike Richards | 9:22 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Change the topic from homosexuality to tithing or to personal worthiness or to
qualifications required to serve a mission, and the stance made by homosexual
activists becomes very hollow, indeed.
How many people would ask the "Church" to allow them to attend the temple, even though they disagreed with the need to attend meetings regularly? How many people would ask the "Church" to allow them to be baptized, even though they believed the Book of Mormon to be total fiction?
Those of us who believe in the fact that God restored His priesthood and His authority to His "Church" and established a living prophet of God know that it is up to us to conform to God's requirements; that it is up to us to change our thoughts and our way of life when there is a "difference of opinion".
We measure ourselves against God's standards and don't ask God to lower His standards so that we can live "outside the law". We know that accepting God's way of life automatically requires us to let go of any non-complying thoughts or actions.
To us, who claim to be disciples of Christ, the price is worth the effort.
How many people would ask the "Church" to allow them to attend the temple, even though they disagreed with the need to attend meetings regularly? How many people would ask the "Church" to allow them to be baptized, even though they believed the Book of Mormon to be total fiction?
Those of us who believe in the fact that God restored His priesthood and His authority to His "Church" and established a living prophet of God know that it is up to us to conform to God's requirements; that it is up to us to change our thoughts and our way of life when there is a "difference of opinion".
We measure ourselves against God's standards and don't ask God to lower His standards so that we can live "outside the law". We know that accepting God's way of life automatically requires us to let go of any non-complying thoughts or actions.
To us, who claim to be disciples of Christ, the price is worth the effort.
Wow! | 9:24 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
After reading these comments, I would wonder why anyone would want to be a
member of the Church.
Cats | 9:35 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Affirmation's argument is NOT with the Church, it is with GOD.
Affirmation members clearly need to seek another church composed of "the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture." There are plenty of Churches like that out there.
Unfortunately, we don't get to make up our own rules. God makes the rules. God tells us what is right and true. His commandments will not be rescinded to accomodate Affirmation.
These people will find love and healing within the LDS Church if they choose to live the commandments. However, God and the Church cannot accept immoral behavior, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.
Since, by going public, Affirmation has not acted in good faith, I don't think the Church is under any obligation to follow through with a meeting at a later date.
Affirmation members clearly need to seek another church composed of "the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture." There are plenty of Churches like that out there.
Unfortunately, we don't get to make up our own rules. God makes the rules. God tells us what is right and true. His commandments will not be rescinded to accomodate Affirmation.
These people will find love and healing within the LDS Church if they choose to live the commandments. However, God and the Church cannot accept immoral behavior, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual.
Since, by going public, Affirmation has not acted in good faith, I don't think the Church is under any obligation to follow through with a meeting at a later date.
The Rock | 9:51 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I learned long ago that it is possible to control my feelings. Husbands are
commanded to love their wives (Eph 5). 1 Corinth. 10:13 tells us that God does
not give us any commandment we cannot obey.
Much depends upon the definition of words. An adulterer is one who commits adultery. If a person has repented they are no longer an adulterer.
If "Homosexual" is defined as a person who has ever felt even a fleeting desire to have sexual relations with one of the same sex, then I would fall into that catagory (it lasted less than 5 seconds). (I call that fleeting desire a temptation and it wasn't much of one.)
If "homosexual" is defined as a person who has sexual relations with another of the same gender, then a homosexual is guilty of a sin. When they repent, just like the adulterer, they are no longer homosexual.
Problem is that both of the above definitions could reasonably apply.
When any temptation comes knocking, it is our duty to drive it from our minds. We must know entertain it.
The gay community can control their feelings just as I can control mine, difficult though it may be.
Much depends upon the definition of words. An adulterer is one who commits adultery. If a person has repented they are no longer an adulterer.
If "Homosexual" is defined as a person who has ever felt even a fleeting desire to have sexual relations with one of the same sex, then I would fall into that catagory (it lasted less than 5 seconds). (I call that fleeting desire a temptation and it wasn't much of one.)
If "homosexual" is defined as a person who has sexual relations with another of the same gender, then a homosexual is guilty of a sin. When they repent, just like the adulterer, they are no longer homosexual.
Problem is that both of the above definitions could reasonably apply.
When any temptation comes knocking, it is our duty to drive it from our minds. We must know entertain it.
The gay community can control their feelings just as I can control mine, difficult though it may be.
Wow-wee! | 9:49 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Sadly enough, looks like I got on the wrong blog. I thought I was on the bicycle
and mirror-less truck site. There is a big fight goen on over there too. Maybe
the same people ride those bikes.
Cats | 9:55 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
To WOW: The reason people want to be members of the LDS Church is because it is
true. That's why the members of Affirmation want to remain in the Church.
Unfortunately, they are in denial about what they are doing and want the Church
to accomodate their unacceptable behavior.
These people are sadly broken and need help. I hope they will sincerely seek help rather than continuing to deny that they need it.
These people are sadly broken and need help. I hope they will sincerely seek help rather than continuing to deny that they need it.
Re WOW: | 9:59 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
OK fellow GLBT's (an initialism referring collectively to lesbian, gay,
bisexual) have you read the comments on this board and the hopes of
Affirmation?
Why would you want to be associated with a church or group like this?
Why would you want to be associated with a church or group like this?
Plenty of talks | 10:14 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Not sure why they want yet another conf talk about gays, as there have been
plenty already not to mention it clearly gives an example of Sodom &
Gomorrah in the Bible being destroyed hint hint. Sorry but the church being led
by God himself will never change his mind on this issue.
I do believe that not only Mormons but Christians as a whole could be much nicer to gays and try to be good examples to them instead of hating them.
As I see it the next door neighbor who sleeps around compared to a gay person sleeing around are both fornication so why do we treat them so differently??? Both should be loved the same as God loves them and both should have similar consequences in regards to church membership.
I do believe that not only Mormons but Christians as a whole could be much nicer to gays and try to be good examples to them instead of hating them.
As I see it the next door neighbor who sleeps around compared to a gay person sleeing around are both fornication so why do we treat them so differently??? Both should be loved the same as God loves them and both should have similar consequences in regards to church membership.
Feddie | 10:19 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
To wyoming native:
I read the referenced Church authority's statement. Two comments: Much of the argument against was circuitous. There is no (zero) statement re cure through Priesthood blessing.
I read the referenced Church authority's statement. Two comments: Much of the argument against was circuitous. There is no (zero) statement re cure through Priesthood blessing.
wrz | 10:22 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
CP | 9:04 p.m.:
"I always knew that animals were smarter then humans because they don't go after those of the same sex - cause they know it's not right or normal."
You don't know the bovine animal very well, do you?
"I always knew that animals were smarter then humans because they don't go after those of the same sex - cause they know it's not right or normal."
You don't know the bovine animal very well, do you?
SZD | 10:21 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Thank you Mike Richards for your simple, brillant, truthful posting at 9:22pm.
Your same wisdom and counsel could apply to the throngs of offended, reactionary, murmuring folks who just may have to leave (or try to change) the Church because of Julie Beck's talk in last October General Conference.
Here's a little story about some other people who didn't like what the Lord had to say through His servant:
"Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear. And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center."
Sound familiar?
This scripture was written for OUR day.
You probably don't have to spend too much time trying to figure out why!
Your same wisdom and counsel could apply to the throngs of offended, reactionary, murmuring folks who just may have to leave (or try to change) the Church because of Julie Beck's talk in last October General Conference.
Here's a little story about some other people who didn't like what the Lord had to say through His servant:
"Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear. And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center."
Sound familiar?
This scripture was written for OUR day.
You probably don't have to spend too much time trying to figure out why!
Sue | 10:26 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
As the mother of a son who in the 3rd grade felt homosexual tendencies and after
hours of research, prayer, pondering and reviewing scientific research, I have
come to believe that sexual orientation is indeed in the brain, there are
definitely biological and genetic differences from heterosexuals as evidenced by
autopsys performed on gay and lesbian people. My family has literally feared for
my son's life, even though I cannot understand what they feel, my duty is
to love everyone as Jesus loves. Repeatedly, gays that try to marry into a
heterosexual lifestyle can't take it and freak out. Many commit suicide
because they are so ashamed, so afraid to tell their families. We should be
more loving, understanding, less judgemental in our homes and bring the Spirit
of the Temple in our homes. What would Jesus have us to do, I choose to believe
like the lady at the well, he said "Go and sin no more" Everyone no
matter their challenge in life needs to be loved especially in the Church.
There is room for all, they need fellowshipping and a haven of friends as do we
all. No one chose this- to be gay.
Doug the flamer | 10:26 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Oh and yes I would also like the church to allow us to smoke, drink coffee, and
watch porn. Seriously folks, either adhere to the teachings or go to a different
church. Don't try to change their beliefs. As far as I have heard only the
real Catholic Church (not the ten million offshoots) and LDS agree that
practicing homosexuality is evil. There are millions of other churches where you
can all out do all kinds of kinky things and get away with it.
MY SLC to Cats | 10:29 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Dear Cats,
I am gay - but not as you say "sadly broken and need help. I hope they will sincerely seek help rather than continuing to deny that they need it."
Although I can not imagine that I would ever again step inside a Mormon Church or Temple I consider myself to be a Mormon and faithful member.
There are many of us out here who have quietly slipped away from the organized activities of the church. We keep track of the happenings and news regarding the church but keep quiet publicly so not to bring attention to ourselves.
Please remember this when you state comments on sites such as this. You will be considered by many as a spokesperson for the church and their beliefs and may be conceived to be thoughtless or worse.
I am gay - but not as you say "sadly broken and need help. I hope they will sincerely seek help rather than continuing to deny that they need it."
Although I can not imagine that I would ever again step inside a Mormon Church or Temple I consider myself to be a Mormon and faithful member.
There are many of us out here who have quietly slipped away from the organized activities of the church. We keep track of the happenings and news regarding the church but keep quiet publicly so not to bring attention to ourselves.
Please remember this when you state comments on sites such as this. You will be considered by many as a spokesperson for the church and their beliefs and may be conceived to be thoughtless or worse.
II | 10:35 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Olin Thomas (in the photos dealing with the article), sports a ring on the
finger traditionally reserved for a wedding band. Is he married (to a female)
or what? Just curious.
John Pack Lambert | 11:25 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
This idea dawned on me when I read a blog I found elsewhere. Every time that
any of Affirmations demands are met they make more demands.
They are not happy with Elder Holland's article and "God Loveth His Children".
Why? Is it because they feel that mothers still blame themselves, or is it really because they want same-sex marriage legalized and are mad at the church for opposing it becoming a government rcognized institution?
They are not happy with Elder Holland's article and "God Loveth His Children".
Why? Is it because they feel that mothers still blame themselves, or is it really because they want same-sex marriage legalized and are mad at the church for opposing it becoming a government rcognized institution?
ahma | 11:27 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
As one who lived the gay "lifestyle" for 15+ years and then left it to
join the LDS Church I just want to say thank you to those of you who stand
beside people like me who have lived or who continue to live through this
horrific struggle. Change is possible but not always desirable. The only reason
it's desirable is because one believes that Joseph Smith is a true prophet
of God and that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. That's what changed
me, changed my heart and the reason I wanted to change my life. I didn't
choose to have these feelings, however I can choose whether or not to obey the
gospel of Jesus Christ. We all have a "cross to bear" is this life.
People with this struggle are precious sons and daughters of Heavenly Father but
they are spiritually and emotionally broken and only the Savior can heal them.
It is up to them to come to Him though. Consider volunteering or making a
donation to Evergreen International evergreeninternational.org. They are an LDS
organization dedicated to helping people like me overcome SSA. I would not have
made it without them.
Brian | 11:41 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
One thing that no one here has made clear, is that Affirmation's National
leadership travelled through to Salt Lake City at their own expense this past
weekend to participate at the Sunstone Symposium; the meeting with
representatives from the LDS Church was set up to coincide with that.
The LDS Church cancelled the meeting when Fred Riley, one of the men assigned to meet with Affirmation, stepped down from his position as the director of LDS Family Services. Affirmation requested a meeting with an alternative representative, but the LDS Church were unable to comply with that, and asked that the meeting be postponed until a later date. Affirmation's hope was, even at the last minute, that someone from the LDS Church would arrive to meet with them as originally planned. When that did not occur, they presented some of the ideas they would have shared with LDS leaders at a Press conference.
The requests are few: that members and leaders should be better educated about these issues; that there be fewer suicides, and less ignorant rhetoric; more love; and that a safe space be created where both those who are celibate OR in loving, committed relationships may come worship.
The LDS Church cancelled the meeting when Fred Riley, one of the men assigned to meet with Affirmation, stepped down from his position as the director of LDS Family Services. Affirmation requested a meeting with an alternative representative, but the LDS Church were unable to comply with that, and asked that the meeting be postponed until a later date. Affirmation's hope was, even at the last minute, that someone from the LDS Church would arrive to meet with them as originally planned. When that did not occur, they presented some of the ideas they would have shared with LDS leaders at a Press conference.
The requests are few: that members and leaders should be better educated about these issues; that there be fewer suicides, and less ignorant rhetoric; more love; and that a safe space be created where both those who are celibate OR in loving, committed relationships may come worship.
Misinformation | 12:49 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
I can see by reading this, that few of you actually know the churches stand on
this issue..
Before you comment, you might read an interview by aks Dallin H. Oaks and Elder Lance B. Wickman and the public affairs dept.
There is NO sin against Same sex attraction. I personally struggle every day with my obsession to other women, I will prob live with it every day till Im dead. The draw is powerful to be immoral, though ,I somehow keep sin at bay.
Some will struggle with the Addiction of eating, some will struggle with all sorts of pulls..
but we are all expected to allow our will to be swallowed in into the fathers.. Just like Christ.
Please cut this people some slack. It would be NO fun at all to have this issue and be a member of the church. Its also not that easy to change.
Be kind to all. I have 3 friends with gay children , its very painful for all involved.
Before you comment, you might read an interview by aks Dallin H. Oaks and Elder Lance B. Wickman and the public affairs dept.
There is NO sin against Same sex attraction. I personally struggle every day with my obsession to other women, I will prob live with it every day till Im dead. The draw is powerful to be immoral, though ,I somehow keep sin at bay.
Some will struggle with the Addiction of eating, some will struggle with all sorts of pulls..
but we are all expected to allow our will to be swallowed in into the fathers.. Just like Christ.
Please cut this people some slack. It would be NO fun at all to have this issue and be a member of the church. Its also not that easy to change.
Be kind to all. I have 3 friends with gay children , its very painful for all involved.
Helen | 12:50 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
What a bunch of bigots you Mormons are.
Re: ahma | 12:53 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
Thank you so very much! Me too, I am doing the same thing as you and I can
identify with you as a brother! I am still tempted but I live the law of
chastity now by CHOICE! As time goes on,and I resist temptations, I find the
temptations get weaker. For the first time in my life I am free of the
dispicable acts I was once a slave to. I "fell" into same sex activity
out of curiousity and lust. To be honest,it brought me no happiness. In fact,
for me, just the opposite was true. I used to feel so lonely and so terrible
after I participated in things that I knew were wrong. I feel the power of the
Lord at my side (only I would know that). Your courage has inspired me to keep
moving ahead! May God bless you! To all others who struggle with this issue, if
you WANT to do it, you can! If I can do it, anyone can because I am the weakest
of all who can be called saints.
More understanding, more love | 1:12 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
Ii wonder if this isn't a beam and mote scenario.
Step back and think clearly in terms of revealed doctrine. It seems clear that same-sex attraction (SSA) is not a learned/chosen propensity, any more than a propensity toward alcoholism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, drug addiction, overeating, tobacco, self-mutilation, bizarre behavior, or any other tendency to which if we abandon ourselves would end in either spiritual or physical destruction. The adversary would love to convince individuals and parents that: a) it's a defect, and b) it's our fault.
Sheri Dew notes in "God Wants a Powerful People" that nearly all of us struggle with some sort of physical appetite, many of us more than one. If you don't, that my be YOUR life challenge--to not pass judgment on the rest of us. OUR life challenge is to learn to rely on the Savior to overcome whichever tendencies/weaknesses with which we've been blessed (Ether 12:27).
I didn't learn/choose my particular weaknesses (heaven forbid they get shouted from the rooftops!), I doubt you did, and I don't believe SSA folks did either. So get off your high "learned/chosen" horse, get to work on your own salvation and turn your weaknesses into strengths.
Step back and think clearly in terms of revealed doctrine. It seems clear that same-sex attraction (SSA) is not a learned/chosen propensity, any more than a propensity toward alcoholism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, drug addiction, overeating, tobacco, self-mutilation, bizarre behavior, or any other tendency to which if we abandon ourselves would end in either spiritual or physical destruction. The adversary would love to convince individuals and parents that: a) it's a defect, and b) it's our fault.
Sheri Dew notes in "God Wants a Powerful People" that nearly all of us struggle with some sort of physical appetite, many of us more than one. If you don't, that my be YOUR life challenge--to not pass judgment on the rest of us. OUR life challenge is to learn to rely on the Savior to overcome whichever tendencies/weaknesses with which we've been blessed (Ether 12:27).
I didn't learn/choose my particular weaknesses (heaven forbid they get shouted from the rooftops!), I doubt you did, and I don't believe SSA folks did either. So get off your high "learned/chosen" horse, get to work on your own salvation and turn your weaknesses into strengths.
Gay LDS Male | 2:03 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
I go to church, pay my tithing, and do mot have sex with anyone.
Both my Bishop and Stake President know about all of this.
I attend the temple weekly. As for callings, they had me in the Library, but know I am the Elder's quotum secrataty.
We all have temtations, the idea is not to act upon these temptations,
I'm happy with who I am. I can accept myself. Why can't so many of you.
Sorry, but I have sat by many of you in the temple.
My male friends can't understand my willingness to do what it takes to follow the Lord. I, on the other hand find it easy, I know for a fact the gospel is true,
Both my Bishop and Stake President know about all of this.
I attend the temple weekly. As for callings, they had me in the Library, but know I am the Elder's quotum secrataty.
We all have temtations, the idea is not to act upon these temptations,
I'm happy with who I am. I can accept myself. Why can't so many of you.
Sorry, but I have sat by many of you in the temple.
My male friends can't understand my willingness to do what it takes to follow the Lord. I, on the other hand find it easy, I know for a fact the gospel is true,
Here's a new reason | 4:02 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
Well, here is a new reason to not subscribe to the Des News - its constant water
carrying for these insignificant groups who would otherwise receive, at most, a
few mentions in fringe independent sources.
C'mon, Des News. You're better than this.
C'mon, Des News. You're better than this.
RE: Helen | 5:55 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
If you are going to read these comments, try to explain your frustrations.
Simply calling names dosn't accomplish anything. Too much anger not enough
love and compassion!
Gay | 6:08 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
This is my name.Gay, it meant happy and lively in the 60's. Today another
meaning. Still as I've read these commements, I feel such compassion and
love for those who suffer wtih SSA. We are all God's children. Let the Lord
be our judge not each other!!! As for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday
Saints,it is a church of love and compassion. All good members know this and
understand this. Enough Said.
J | 6:51 a.m. Aug. 12, 2008
As a younger man I would make derogatory comments about homosexuals. As I have
gotten older I have changed my attitude to realize that these people are
children of our Heavenly Father and should be treated as such, with kindness and
respect. Accepting them as people does not equate to accepting their life
style. Though I think in many minds it does. The NT talks about visiting those
in prison, (Matthew 35:36), does that mean we condone their actions or accept
them as children of God?
With that being said, the Lord tells us that he cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. Immorality is wrong regardless if it is with someone of the same sex or the opposite sex.
Regardless of our personal trials, we are all in need of healing. Christ came to minister to the sick, because those that are whole need no physician.
With that being said, the Lord tells us that he cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. Immorality is wrong regardless if it is with someone of the same sex or the opposite sex.
Regardless of our personal trials, we are all in need of healing. Christ came to minister to the sick, because those that are whole need no physician.
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