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Is woman with cloned pups the '77 kidnapper of LDS missionary?
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NICK | 4:30 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
If she is that quick to snap when asked who she is, she has to be that perv from
30 years ago! This story is hilarious!
So, yeah | 4:32 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Where are the comparative pictures to go with the story?
come on des news | 4:36 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
This is the junk that should be found in the national inquirer. My goodness.
I'm going to check out the sltrib and see if they have news that is
pertinent to anything, because this article is totally irrelevant to any normal
person
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John Pack Lambert | 4:34 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Nothing like this ever happened in my mission!
Wowee! | 4:38 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Very interesting story. What a woman.
Anonymous | 4:36 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Where does a freak like Joyce McKinney get $50,000 to clone a dog?
sarah jane | 4:40 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
It is unfortunate that this story has been reported again and completely unfair
to the missionary who was abducted. I see no reason that his name needed to be
used. Why should his family and children, if he has any, have to read about
this mess.
Same on Deseret News.
Same on Deseret News.
bb | 4:58 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Get real Deseret News. What are you now, the Enquirer or the Globe or what?
Over in England, where the missionary incident took place, this is called Yellow
Journalism. Put yourself in the shoes of the missionary and then 30 years later
the story is dragged up again. Maybe this is something people would like to
forget about. Maybe I should have my dog cloned and they will put it in the
paper, oh but what must I do first to get that notoriety.
You are a newspaper, not a gossip column.
You are a newspaper, not a gossip column.
RL | 5:03 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
That is one screwed up person! It makes me sick she got away with it. Just
because she did it to a guy, apparently. Wow, she clearly hasn't gotten a
hold on herself yet either. Craaaazy!
Tabloid headline | 5:14 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
How disgusting to have the headline then a story that repeatedly states it is
all speculation as to whether Bernann and Joyce are one and the same. Not only
that, the whole old story is highlighted to I'm sure the pain of the victim
while there is no positive ID on the woman.
Shame on you, DN.
Shame on you, DN.
i agree | 5:20 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I agree with Sarah Jane. There are laws to protect victims of sexual abuse, but
why does it not apply to him since he's male?
RE: come on des news | 5:19 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I read this article in the Salt Lake Tribune earlier today.
BIG NEWS | 5:24 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
How come this woman was a beuty queen,she doesnt has a little trait of beuty at
all.Anyway,i can understand how she feel about the love she has for the guy,she
was so scared of losing him.Seems she is the type who cant understand that love
cant be forced.Hey,i love her clone puppies.
Greasy | 5:39 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Re John Pack Lambert.
You sound disappointed... I'm sorry! Who in their right mind would ever want to be stalked and kidnapped on their mission. There are better ways to get ones kicks. This is completely insane!
You sound disappointed... I'm sorry! Who in their right mind would ever want to be stalked and kidnapped on their mission. There are better ways to get ones kicks. This is completely insane!
Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I thought it was standard journalistic ethics not to print names of victims of
sex crimes. What gives?
Pictures Please | 6:00 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Where are the pictures? That would have made the story!
John Pack Lambert | 6:58 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I did not make the previous post using this name. Not that anything like this
did happen in my mission, but I feel my identity has been attacked. There is a
very small percentage chance, and I mean very small percentage chance, that the
poster shares my name, but even then it is misleading.
From now on I am going to post as Zelnhelm83. I am not sure this will help anything, but I will then be able to accuse any users of that post of being outright imposters.
From now on I am going to post as Zelnhelm83. I am not sure this will help anything, but I will then be able to accuse any users of that post of being outright imposters.
protect the victim | 7:33 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
please don't name the victims in the article. It is difficult enough for
male victims to be taken seriously in the first place. Many more males
don't report abuse than females because people don't believe them. I
am sure this was something that if he ever disclosed it, he would've wanted
to do it on his timetable and not have his entire family in the headlines again.
Editors, please be more careful in the future to protect victims of abuse. This
isn't Inside Edition or Access Hollywood.
Thanks DN! | 7:45 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
good little behind the news story. I thought this was just a utah "urban
myth" story when I heard it years ago.
HAHA! | 7:48 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
This was a funny story, very entertaining. I've never heard of a man
getting raped. This lady should have a reality TV show.
Zelnhelm83 | 7:49 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Listen John Pack Lambert.. you have no right to use my name to post anything!
RE JOHN PACK LAMBERT | 7:50 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Why you dont admit it?after all its good we have a joke and share laughter
here.I see you're good in giving comments.Hope to see you often Zelnhelm83.
Coincidence? | 8:10 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Former theatre student at BYU and now teaches a college drama class?
I don't believe in coincidence. She is the same woman....
I don't believe in coincidence. She is the same woman....
NY | 8:10 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
My goodness, leave the poor girl alone (as well as the missionary and his
family) and let everybody involved keep moving ahead with their lives.
Not impressed | 8:29 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I'm surprised Deseret News would stoop to publishing such a worthless
article; nothing more than gossip.
I used to work with a member of Mr. Anderson's family, and this person said the media coverage had devastated their family. Not only did this young man have to go through the horror of the experience, but he has to be made the butt of callous jokes and news articles. I'm ashamed that Deseret News would bring up such a trite matter as this woman's dogs so that Mr. Anderson's name has to be dragged through the press again. Deseret News owes him an apology.
Stand a lot taller DN--we expect more from you than a two-bit newspaper.
I used to work with a member of Mr. Anderson's family, and this person said the media coverage had devastated their family. Not only did this young man have to go through the horror of the experience, but he has to be made the butt of callous jokes and news articles. I'm ashamed that Deseret News would bring up such a trite matter as this woman's dogs so that Mr. Anderson's name has to be dragged through the press again. Deseret News owes him an apology.
Stand a lot taller DN--we expect more from you than a two-bit newspaper.
anon | 9:21 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Lock the woman who did it to him up and throw away the key. Pay the victim
compensation by selling all of her property and stock give it to the victim as
well as all her saving and retirement fund. That is if it really is her or not.
Sadly names are reported. | 9:25 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
My cousin was murdered about 30 years ago, it was a very brutal murder. They
guy was on death row in Utah, I don't think he is anymore, but every time
that they have had an article about the guy in prison, they mention my cousins
name. It hurts to have to read or see that on the news, but that is the news,
his mother wrote for DN. How many of us read this article? Part of the
newspaper's business, is to get people to read. If they had an article
that Gov Huntsman stubs his toe, I just don't think it would get a lot of
readers. All of you and myself are voyers and we want to hear those stories and
see those pictures. Oh, by the way, I saw her pictures on Fox news, it is the
same person, too many distinctive features that both had. I am sure that this
young man has moved on with life and sadly like many others, he was a victim and
there will be things that happen once in a while to haunt him, like this.
Tiny Tim | 9:50 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Quit picking on Des-News...they do there best to entertain us folks out here. I
rather enjoy these lame brain articles. Keep em come in D-N......it gets rid of
me watch boring TV.
Bob | 9:53 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
How do you rape a GUY?
Anonymous | 9:52 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Stuff like this has no place in this paper. I would think that somewhere up the
chain of command the editor and publisher would have to report to the General
Authorities of the Church.
Not impressed either | 10:21 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
Don't be a Tribune; namely, don't swim in the sewer.
CC | 10:30 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
So, who really cares about this. With all real news in the world, who cares
about something that happened 30 years ago. What does it matter only to hurt
some innocent person, like the missionary's family or children who may or
may not know about this. It shows poor judgement by the the paper that this
even was reported on. Shame, shame, shame
Rico | 11:40 p.m. Aug. 7, 2008
I thought I'd gone to the national inquirer
Anonymous | 12:27 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Bob, if a guy is handcuffed and unable to move, use your imagination. Guys being
raped is common than you think.
GK from England | 1:12 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I agree with many commenters here that the victim's name should not have
been mentioned. As for the comments about some readers deciding to
'read' the Salt Lake Tribune instead of the DN because of this
article...sorry to disappoint you but the SLT also featured the story.
relax des news readers. | 3:14 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Just jumped into the deseret news for a change and found myself in la la land
again. No wonder I read the trib. RELAX all you uptight regulars in this forum
of being offended all the time. News covers the gamit. This story should not be
shame on the deseret news. This newspaper needs more balance, as does BYU. Maybe
then, you zoobies could join the earthlings.
ditto relax man | 3:17 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
The National Enquirer is disney gone dirty. Some of the comments above that
compare these types publications to the deseret news are missing the point.
Fiction and non-fiction are two different things. Not all news is pleasant to
those with blinders on.
english exile | 3:22 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
well, if it is her, she's still a wanted criminal in the UK. She jumped
bail and disappeared.No wonder she doesn't want to be identified.
Secondly, HaHa, it's far from a laughing matter. the whole story made the Church and being a member of the church in Britain a subject of intense ridicule for a long while, and caused untold heartache to a young man and his family. The Daily Mail newspaper was on the receiving end of a Press Commission judgment against it some years back,after the Church reported the paper after one article, and takes every opportunity to make life misersble for the Church and it's members. Kidnap victims (and remember for some days no-one knew what happened to him- everyone was praying and fasting) are no exception.
Secondly, HaHa, it's far from a laughing matter. the whole story made the Church and being a member of the church in Britain a subject of intense ridicule for a long while, and caused untold heartache to a young man and his family. The Daily Mail newspaper was on the receiving end of a Press Commission judgment against it some years back,after the Church reported the paper after one article, and takes every opportunity to make life misersble for the Church and it's members. Kidnap victims (and remember for some days no-one knew what happened to him- everyone was praying and fasting) are no exception.
Not so fast bb | 6:01 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Hey bb--lay of the DMN!
I read this story first on the Times of London website. You can also see the pictures there. Definitely the same woman.
I read this story first on the Times of London website. You can also see the pictures there. Definitely the same woman.
David | 6:21 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
First, I think it amusing that she thinks the cloned puppies have the memories
of her original dog.
Second, a man can be raped since it is not only sex, but fear and other emotions that can cause arousal. If against his will, than rape though the law would likely consider it sexual assault.
Second, a man can be raped since it is not only sex, but fear and other emotions that can cause arousal. If against his will, than rape though the law would likely consider it sexual assault.
Sis in TX | 6:22 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I feel it is an interesting little blurb about this woman. But DN shouldn't
have written the story without a positive identification of this woman. Proof
would have made it better. But to name her victim again...thats just horrible,
rude, and uncalled for. DN victimized that missionary and his entire family
again. For that...someone at DN should be making a public apology. I agree
with..shame, shame, shame on DN.
michaelh | 6:32 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I served with the missionary named in this story, good man, crazy kidnapper. You
wouldn't think of naming a female rape victim why do you think men are of
so little worth? If some wako chic wants to spend bricks of cash for a copy of
her fufu dog who cares? Leave any of her supposed victims alone.
What is Rape? | 7:13 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Rape is legally defined as Sexual Assault. It is a crime of aggression. It can
be any unwanted sexual contact, such as unwanted touching, fondling, or groping
of sexual body parts. It a crime committed against a person's will or is
committed with physical force or with a threat to hurt the victim or another
person. Simply put without consent, it's rape.
Regardless of the age, gender or relationship of the victim to the perpetrator, it is a crime of aggression and control.
Having worked as a victim advocate, it was hard enough to encourage them to ask for help or counseling. But pop culture glorifies it so much that it's become a joke whoever the victim is, let alone when the victim is male. When it's supposed humor disappears, reality hits and it is no laughing matter.
Regardless of the age, gender or relationship of the victim to the perpetrator, it is a crime of aggression and control.
Having worked as a victim advocate, it was hard enough to encourage them to ask for help or counseling. But pop culture glorifies it so much that it's become a joke whoever the victim is, let alone when the victim is male. When it's supposed humor disappears, reality hits and it is no laughing matter.
A.L.Martin | 7:23 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Where was the umbrella of protection that all missionaries have while serving?
orion | 7:28 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Why dredge the incident up at all? Isn't 30 years long enough for a person
to be able to move beyond past behavior? Evidently she has kept her nose clean
otherwise, no doubt, it would have been plastered on the pages of this
newspaper.
As for the victim and his family, I cannot imagine their feelings at this time. How cruel.
Thanks Deseret News, for your part in making a number of lives miserable today.
As for the victim and his family, I cannot imagine their feelings at this time. How cruel.
Thanks Deseret News, for your part in making a number of lives miserable today.
JEff | 7:44 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Cloned woman kidnapped by a 77-year-old missionary? What next?
Too Harsh | 7:51 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
To all who criticize the Des News for running this story, I remember when this
incident took place in the 70s. It was big news, and this is a valid follow up.
But I wish the DN hadn't run the victim's name. Now he has to deal
with sideways looks and questions from a whole new generation. And most who
remember the story wouldn't have remebered his name.
Reporter Elsewhere | 7:52 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
C'mon! Its a great story. We've been reporting about the clones -
this twist is amazing. I was wondering who would be unstable enough to pay that
much money for puppies.
I well remember the original case from 77. I'd hadn't thought about it back then - BUT - his name should never have been used, now or then. Back then, the idea of a man being sexually assualted was fairly rare. Now we know it happens often, but usually by other males.
The story would have been just as valid today without the victim's name being dredged up. I wish they hadn't done that.
I well remember the original case from 77. I'd hadn't thought about it back then - BUT - his name should never have been used, now or then. Back then, the idea of a man being sexually assualted was fairly rare. Now we know it happens often, but usually by other males.
The story would have been just as valid today without the victim's name being dredged up. I wish they hadn't done that.
Nebraska | 7:56 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I agree with many of the posters here who think the DN should offer an apology
to Mr. Anderson and his family. His name did not need to be dragged through the
dirt again. The story would have been just as good without having his name in
it.
Who cares, | 7:56 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
What rediculou article. DN you are sure in need of news.
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Joyce McKinney, pictured Nov. 11, 1977, before her pretrial hearing in Epsom, England, was accused of abducting an LDS missionary.
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