Reader comments: Were Utahns killing-spree victims?
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Camille | 5:21 a.m. July 3, 2008
What a senseless act! I'm so glad that the person who did this is off the streets. I have a hard time even trying to figure out why any person would beat a 93 yr. old man til he dies and then to end the life of a sweet 2 yr. old boy. But his mom is with him forever now and they are in such a better place to never have to see this kind of evil again.
Another good guy | 5:31 a.m. July 3, 2008
"Without drugs, without alcohol, Nick is kindhearted. He's caring. He has respect for people."
If that were true, he wouldn't do the drugs and alcohol
because of what it did to him.
Substance abusers need to quit using the drug for an escuse, they were sober when they took the first drink or popped the first pill. they are responsible.
If that were true, he wouldn't do the drugs and alcohol
because of what it did to him.
Substance abusers need to quit using the drug for an escuse, they were sober when they took the first drink or popped the first pill. they are responsible.
Jake | 7:22 a.m. July 3, 2008
We can no longer afford to sit by and watch this country fall victim to criminal behavior. This story is heart-wrenching. It's so horrific that we don't want to believe it or associate it, but the truth is it could happen to any one of us and our loved ones at any given time. In the words of McGruff it's time to "take a bite out of crime." A deeper, fiercer bite into crime.
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Am tired of this... | 8:26 a.m. July 3, 2008
They were always nice guys before they commit some sore of heinous act. QUIT BLAMING THE DRUGS! Quit blaming the "too much medication, not enough medication, or no medication at all". Quit blaming your hard childhood, your drinking binges, your whatever you want to blame it on. These types of killers are killers by choice... it is THEIR CHOICES that led them to this act. Quit blaming everyone else and take responsibility. You are a cancer in our society. Hopefully, you will be wiped out soon.
Amen | 9:13 a.m. July 3, 2008
I have to agree with Am Tired of This. It is time people started taking responsibility for their actions. They make the choices, they need to take the responsibility and quit blaming everyone and/or everything else.
Time for a gun | 9:55 a.m. July 3, 2008
Time for a gun to be in my pocket at all times.
Scary how this could happen.
Scary how this could happen.
Anonymous | 10:03 a.m. July 3, 2008
I agree with Am Tired of this and Amen. They were not under the influence when the decided to take the "drugs" so the consequences of their rational decision are a just punishment for their actions. I too am tired of hearing these crimes blamed on drugs or alcohol. They make the choice to take the drug or drink the alcohol, they make the choice to leave where they are, by getting behind the wheel of a vehicle. By the time they commit the crime, they have had 2 choices. The first choice was enough. We need to get tough on criminals especially our young ones if we ever expect to reduce crime. If the punishment is not harsh enough to make them think twice about doing it again and suffering the punishment, whey should they stop. Afterall, they have a place to stay at night, great food to each, and basically they can watch TV, do sporting activities, etc. Other than being locked up, whatelse could you ask for. It is only a matter of time and they will be out on the streets again.
Anonymous | 10:22 a.m. July 3, 2008
Don't know why alcohol can be a legal substance when it has the ability to prompt this kind of violent behavior. It is unbelievable how many lives are torn apart and forever altered because of this substance but yet we still legalize it. Alcohol has the same impact on a person as illegal drugs, so I am not quite sure how we justify legalizing it. I pray for the families of these victims.
Alcohol | 10:57 a.m. July 3, 2008
Alcohol does not make you a murderer. Alcohol may assist in bringing out the murderer that is already in you but it does not make you a murderer. I have been drinking alcohol for 20 years and I have never done anything that I didn't want to do. People just use it as an excuse but really, you know exactly what you are doing when you are drunk or stoned.
Magnifiers | 11:13 a.m. July 3, 2008
Jerk + Alcohol = Drunk Jerk
Jerk + Drugs = Drugged Jerk
Jerk + Money = Rich Jerk
No matter what is added, it only magnifies what you really are. This jerk was a killer & he/they are using the alcohol/drugs as an excuse, but really those things only magnified what he really is!
Jerk + Drugs = Drugged Jerk
Jerk + Money = Rich Jerk
No matter what is added, it only magnifies what you really are. This jerk was a killer & he/they are using the alcohol/drugs as an excuse, but really those things only magnified what he really is!
geezzzzzzzz | 11:47 a.m. July 3, 2008
this guy learned it , maybe in prison, who knows..alcohol was once banned but the man found out money was the plan...the system creates rage...just ask the little children...what a disgrace to his race...times are a changing ..better get ready because some don't even need alcohol or drugs and might even have a legal permit too. it's the desyntization of human life that we all have to worry about.
Tetefano Blake | 11:58 a.m. July 3, 2008
Some times I think the death penalty is too severe. When things like this happen I think that perhaps that is the best justice available to the criminal who sinks so low.
Clare | 12:04 p.m. July 3, 2008
Dear Alcohol,
How do I know what it is you didn't want to do? Alcohol is a nasty drug. It destroyed my parents marriage and has had caused me to have emotional problems because of it. Children of alcoholics are affected in ways that you probably don't know about. May I suggest you do a little research on the affects of alcoholics on others. I suppose if you never had a family and lived in a shack in the mountains, you probably have had caused little or no damage to others.
How do I know what it is you didn't want to do? Alcohol is a nasty drug. It destroyed my parents marriage and has had caused me to have emotional problems because of it. Children of alcoholics are affected in ways that you probably don't know about. May I suggest you do a little research on the affects of alcoholics on others. I suppose if you never had a family and lived in a shack in the mountains, you probably have had caused little or no damage to others.
rvalens2 | 12:16 p.m. July 3, 2008
If just one of these victims had had a weapon, we might today be talking about the death of this jerk; instead we are left with a tragedy and a roll call of the names and innocent lives taken.
I grieve for the families, the victims and especially the little ones who never got a chance to live their lives.
I grieve for the families, the victims and especially the little ones who never got a chance to live their lives.
Wingnut | 12:22 p.m. July 3, 2008
So this guy is kindhearted, unless he's brutally beating people to death. What a joke. If these had been my family members, this clown wouldn't make it 10 steps from the courthouse.
banning substances | 1:28 p.m. July 3, 2008
to Anonymous 10:22
There are any number of substances, chemical and natural that can trigger acts of aggression, irrational thought, inability to discern accountability - think puberty. Allergies to foods and chemicals can do the same. These are side effects listed for many legal pharmaceuticals. Are we to ban all potential triggering substances? No.
However, I think it is our responsibility as family, friends and community to confront those whose behavior gets wildly affected and take steps to help them find help, overcome the problems, or deal with their triggers in a way that is safe for themselves and others. Generally though, in these types of articles, those interviewed are always stunned at the behavior of someone they thought they knew. Apparently it's not easy to recognize the signs of trouble brewing.
There are any number of substances, chemical and natural that can trigger acts of aggression, irrational thought, inability to discern accountability - think puberty. Allergies to foods and chemicals can do the same. These are side effects listed for many legal pharmaceuticals. Are we to ban all potential triggering substances? No.
However, I think it is our responsibility as family, friends and community to confront those whose behavior gets wildly affected and take steps to help them find help, overcome the problems, or deal with their triggers in a way that is safe for themselves and others. Generally though, in these types of articles, those interviewed are always stunned at the behavior of someone they thought they knew. Apparently it's not easy to recognize the signs of trouble brewing.
Mountain Man | 3:11 p.m. July 3, 2008
This act is the sole work of this so called man so stop trying to blame it on drugs or whatever. This man needs to be beaten just like those he beat and killed. Its sickening what our sociaty has come to. We make excuses for everything. I feel for the families of those killed.
Numb | 10:10 p.m. July 3, 2008
Kenneth was my best friend growing up and it is numbing to think that someone would choose to end his life. Not only his life but possibly seven others including a toddler. But it happens everyday in our 'great' country. What is the answer to stop it? How can we allow family members 'nice guys' to escalate to this point? Are we really this self involved to not see them spinning out of control? Why do we not step in on their path of self destruction? It is quite clear that Nick Sheley's family (and our police force) knew of his continuous 'problems'. It is even harder to forgive them for not making the decision to protect him as well as the eight others he possibly killed. God forbid we would have taken any of his rights away, bleeding hearts. Maybe he can still change? (sarcasm) All I can say is Rest In Peace Kenneth and I hope you can watch over and protect your baby as he grows up without you.
sad and disgusted | 11:04 p.m. July 3, 2008
This guy had a rap sheet a mile long and already served a term...I don't believe he was a "nice guy". Think of all the suffering he caused. My deepest sympathy to those he beat to death, and to all those family and friends who love them.
Rich | 8:34 p.m. July 5, 2008
Judges and parole boards are constantly letting criminals out into society. Either we should totally revamp our criminal system, working to help criminals overcome their problems and addictions, or we should lock them up and throw away the key, especially when they show signs of violence.
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