Will the Texas CPS insanity ever end? Texas will pay and pay dearly for the kidnapping of over 450 children from their natural mother’s arms. Repercussions will be felt for years to come. Some of those children's lives will be ruined and others will need therapy because of CPS and the courts actions. Was it worth it? Governor Perry, you have no evidence of wrong doing and if you did you would let the innocent go free. You have no mandate to force an entire community of citizens to bow before the State and blackmail them to sign over their parental rights in court. Now go and do the politically correct thing, Governor Perry, and let those people go back home. Persecution is UN-American, even in Texas, isn't it?

Same old story day after day.
The FLDS people need to learn some new lines to try to get more sympathy for themselves.

CPS, Let the children go home

This Bi--- Meisner "To our knowledge, we can't identify that we have her," Meisner said.

No doubt. Can we toss her in the slammer for a few days for this? When is CPS going to have to take some responsibility and be held accountable for their actions? I'd be firing people by now.

No matter how wrong the Courts are
They never admit guilt for their wrongs
Many innocennt people are in JAIL because the Courts have un wise Judges
I am talking about Utah as well

My goodness, it really stinks when you have to actually present your evidence of underage brides, and oops the are mostly adults. Citizens of TX get your gov. to put a leash on CPS they obviously have too much power. Do the right thing. Send the kids home to their mamas now.

Texas continues to investigate if "sarah was a hoax?" What a waste of taxpayer money since even I have caller i.d. and access to my phone records. Why the lie about a need for investigation? Oh wait, TX authorities want moer time to investigate FLDS finances...the real reason for the removal of the children since it seems most of the female "minors" were actually legal adults that had drivers licenses and birth certificates that were IGNORED by CPS.

While many of you chose to ignore this travesty, the issue stopped being abut Polygamy long ago (especially given that TX stated it would not prosecute polygamy) but $$$$.

As this case -- that began so well -- drags on and on, with so little particularized evidence produced, I worry that the State of Texas is setting itself up to become a very substantial beneficiary of the FLDS, perhaps even larger than the Utah and Arizona welfare rolls.

The Texas Attorney General seems to be learning, a little late, perhaps, what his Arizona and Utah counterparts learned long ago; this secret combination, whose purpose is to get [financial and sexual] gain, is extremely skillful in the use of deception, dissimulation, and duress against both its own people, and legally constituted authorities. In short, in their warped view of the universe, FLDS leaders easily justify as holy any means to preserve their ungodly prerogatives.

Here's hoping the Arizona and Utah Attorneys General are providing to the embattled Texas authorities all the evidence, assistance, and expertise they have accumulated over the years.

Isn't it interesting that not only are they punishing EVERY family for this one (or two) underage girl, but they are punishing her too and trying to take her other baby. Heartless and cruel. This is a parental punishment agency not child protection. I pray that someone will give this girl and the ladies jobs that pay good and can allow flexibility to visit/take care of their children and homeschool if they choose (it can be done in a single parent home albiet very hard) if their husband's can't or won't do the economic side of the relationship to support these children. I feel real sorry for these mothers of 11 children (or any size) now single moms trying to support them.. I think CPS knows a single mom CAN'T see all 11 children 900 miles away from each other and get a suitable job and home alone. Cruel. We can help recompense by helping these ladies fulfill Texas's obligations and not letting them stand alone and thrown to the wolves and loose children. We can fight back for innocent families by calling all reps and high officials and calling them to the carpet on perversion of justice--harming the innocent.

We don't have enough people in Texas mad enough or fighting hard enough or Representatives that have the guts to stand up to CPS. I thought we had judges and officials that had Texas strength. They are letting all Texan's down. So far, only the innocent are being punished (and very very severely at that) and the guilty are long gone... This is a perversion!!! These moms are having to do the impossible to MAYBE get their children back...

So interesting the FLDS were accused of teaching their children that people on the outside were evil. Now CPS has proven to those kids how evil the people outside really can be. I do hope these kids can make some bonds with their host families so they will know that we aren't all as evil as CPS. I have always taught my kids that the police are our friends, they are there to protect us from bad and evil people. Too bad these marshalls and sherriffs had to turn on the kids and forcfully take them from the only people who they felt secure with. Talk about abuse!

"I chose to stay away and let them have a better life" What page if that on in the Book of Mormon instruction manual on how to be a good father? What chapter? "How to have children and abandon them?" So this isn't a ghetto thing? It's a religious thing!! A patriarchal one at that. Surprise surprise.

Hello people....

POLYGAMY IS AGAINST THE LAW.... AND THESE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS..... I HEARD IT FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS... "WE HAVE BROKEN NO LAW, WE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS"

THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN TOOOO MANY YOUNG GIRLS IN THE WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED UNDERAGED!!

THIS CRAZINESS MUST STOP!!!!!

IT WILL TAKE AN ACTION LIKE THIS TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE...

LOOK CLOSELY HOW MANY OF THESE MOTHERS AND CHILDREN ARE ON STATE ASSISTANCE AND THEN LOOK INTO THEIR CHURCH BANK ACCOUNTS..... HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY FIND IN THE VEHICLE WARREN JEFFS WAS DRIVING AROUND IT? WHAT KIND OF VECHILE WAS HE DRIVING AROUND IN???

C'MON SOMEONE MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The people of the state of Texas are not interested in what is right or even just. They, abetted by the good "Christians" of El Dorado county are interested only in eradicating a religious (sect, cult or not)from their midst. They cannot abide a community near them that is independant and uninterested in seeing faith through "Christian" (read Baptist) eyes. The power structure of the Bible belt is in full sway here, and no broken record complaint is going to alter their mindset against these people. If there are guilty among the FLDS, prosecute, but thus far the house of cards which is the CPS, is beginning to fall. Only the spin doctoring remains to be done.

Many of us in Texas HAVE been writing letters to our government officials begging for help for these people. If you live in Texas you know power of CPS. You also know that it is impossible to get Rick Perry to act against wrong. He is at the helm of this investigation and it is looking like a smoke screen more and more every day. What are you hiding, Rick Perry, that lets the innocent suffer such atrocities as kidnapping by their government disguised as officials, and imprisionment without proper representation? The lawyers are trying. The Law is there but Texas defies the law and hides behind a ficticious girl for some unknown reason that is not polygamy. I don't think it is abuse either. How many girls in Texas date young? Engage in sex young? Have children young? Do we go kidnap them or their parents, who must be grooming them to act in those ways? Hmmmmmmm Where are honest leaders? Not Texas

Working in law enforcement, I am torn with this situation. I understand the difficulty of taking a child from a mother as I have had to do the same. When this first unfolded; I understood the legal basis for why and what they did, but it over-reaching to almost the extreme.

There is no way they can protect the civil rights of these families.

This should have been done on a case by case basis which they are now trying to do amidst confusion and chaos they created. You can't tell me that religious prejudice is not playing its part.
I hope they can root out those that deserve punishment without ruining entire families and setting a precedent for trampling on religious rights.

"Texas child welfare authorities maintain that children on the ranch were abused or at risk of abuse. During one hearing on Tuesday for a 1-year-old boy, it was revealed that the child's mother is 17. Theoretically, that means she was 15 when her son was conceived. The baby's father did not show up in court. The hearing was continued because the mother is eight months pregnant now. "We've always known that there are one or two or three examples of that out there," Parker told the Deseret News. "What I've always been denying is there are 26 or 31 examples, which is what CPS has claimed.""

A 17-year-old mother, with a one-year-old child, and eight months pregnant, and her "loving" husband and the father of her one-year-old couldn't be bothered to show up in court to fight for custody of his child.

Of course, the FLDS attorney tries to minimize this as just one example.

Exhibit #1 of how unimportant individual women and children are in the overall plan of the controlling FLDS men to marry as many women and father as many children as possible.

When it comes to actually being fathers to these children... fathers are MIA!!!

No matter how you slice it...what the state of Texas did to these families is wrong, wrong, wrong! Due process is NOT holding one hearing with 359 lawyers, 100 in a jam packed court room, and 259 in an auditorium with a video feed...and trying to determine if 463 individual children should be taken from their families! What a sham!!! Judge Barbara Walther has set herself apart by being the only judge in the history of the United States, to trample on this many U.S. citizens Constitutional rights during a single hearing. This judge needs to be impeached...NOW! And every CPS worker involved, who had a hand in this American Tragedy needs to be summarily fired! The state of Texas has given itself a black eye, by painting this entire community of citizens with such a broad brush. They've made a mockery of the criminal justice system, and history will not be kind to such ham-fisted tyrants. These poor people have been slandered and maligned by the media, and raked over the coals by their government. Behavior like this should not be tolerated from our civil servants! Shame on Texas, and shame on America for allowing it to happen.

TX authorities have already stated, repeatedly, that they will not prosecute for polygamy. Besides, polygamy is the legal taking of multiple wives while the FLDS only spiritually marry.

As for your belief that "OOOO MANY YOUNG GIRLS IN THE WHO HAVE BEEN MARRIED UNDERAGED!!" The facts show that only one girl was 15 and there is still no evidence that she got pregnant in TX and therefore illegal. The remainder of the "minors" seem now to be getting listed as adults, which they originally stated but which CPS refused to acknowledge DESPITE the fact they were offered BOTH drivers licenses and birth certificates. Yet, CPS claimed the FLDS were lying. The courts are now validating that the FLDS WOMEN were telling the truth about their ages.

Also, NONE of the mothers and children are on state assistance in TX and this action is taking place in TX. Any other state action is IRRELEVANT. Are you also aware that the FLDS have a government contract in which they earn $1,000,000 per year and that is only one account? Oh wait, that is fact so you ignore it...gotcha!

Agnostic

""My client could be asked to denounce Jesus Christ and worship Thor," Kathryn Jeffs' lawyer Nancy DeLong said. [Nice strawman -- attorneys love to create the most bizarre hypotheticals]

Kolb asked that language be added to the plan, guaranteeing his client's constitutional right to worship freely. The judge solved at least part of the problem.

"I'm not sure there is a conflict if everyone agrees here that physical, sexual and emotional abuse of children are inappropriate regardless of your religious tenets," she said."

The FLDS can't seem to understand that Texas isn't trying to get them to abandon all of their religious beliefs. Texas is only trying to get the FLDS to abandon religious practices that abuse children -- forcing underage marriages of girls and indoctrinating boys to become child abusers -- but the FLDS are so convinced that there is nothing wrong with these practices, that they see this as nothing more than an assault on their religious beliefs.

Warren Jeffs should be proud that he has created such mindless, guiltless, child-abusing followers.

Who is it that said all laws are just! What business does the goverment have to tell me how to live my life. Let's take the Seat Belt law for example. What right does the goverment have telling me I have to wear a Seat Belt??? You think the goverment cares about my safety? Is that why I was drafted, and sent to Vietnam to have folk I did not know Shoot at me, because the goverment cared for my Saftey???? I am told that the goverment owns the road so they make up the rules. Wrong! We own the roads! We bought them with our tax dollars! Do You care if I wear a Seat Belt? No! I know you don't!

I really don't care if these guys have more than one wife. It is none of my business anyway. How is that any different than having more than one girlfriend? These FLDS folk have better morals than I have. For what it is worth they marry them.

Remember your wedding Vow "Till Death do you part"? Divoriced: Remarried? Haha! In God's eyes you have two wives! This is what I call mixed values.

Check out your sources of info before you accuse. Is it the MEDIA?? Go to the county records and see for yourself how many of those mothers were on assistance. Texas knows that the Ranch paid taxes even though they could have filed exemptions. What did all THAT money go to? To support those now persecuting THEM!! They paid six digit taxes and no mothers were on assistance. Check it out for yourself--CHILDREN ARE PAYING A HIGH PRICE BECAUSE PEOPLE ACCUSE WITHOUT INVESTIGATION! SHAME ON TEXAS, SHAME ON ALL AMERICANS AS LONG AS THIS GOES ON!!!!!!

This case isn't about polygamy; it's about child abuse masquerading as the right to sexually abuse underage girls in the name of religion.

Their just living in sin like the rest of America ... according to the Law of the Land.

Get a life all you grumblers, and ONE wife may help you as well. Things go better when people live by the laws of the land.

And NOW the Texas officials are thinking of billing the FLDS for this raid??? Their stupidity never ends. They will get to buy 50 Ranches for the FLDS before this is over--Frog Meet Boiling Water!!!!!

institutionalized pedophilia...
welfare fraud...
oppressed and uneducated women...
abandoning teenage boys...
"fathers" who wont step up and show their faces...

why these people engender so much sympathy from so called Mainstream Mormons, I will never understand.

Let's take all the women and children away from Harlem next. Many men there impregnate multiple women and then abandon the chilren or abuse them. Let's make a sweep there too. Where should we hit next? I don't believe what is happening in the FLDS community is right, but there are many areas in this country that are even in worse trouble. This was not the way to solve the problem. It's taking away right blatantly.

Re: To polygamy is against the law | 8:24 a.m.

"The facts show that only one girl was 15 and there is still no evidence that she got pregnant in TX and therefore illegal."

So, according to your logic, and even assuming that your assumptions that the abuse occurred in another state, if somone abused a 15-year-old girl while he was in another state, and then moved to your state, authorities in your state would be powerless to remove his children from the home of their abusive father, simply because the abuse had occurred in another state?

Day after Day and the same Texas justice is rolling on and keeping mothers and children hostage. When will the tide turn and families without any proven abuses be united. People are being harmed and the hurt goes on. Same on Texas!

impeach that governor, Rick Perry. Fire the child abusing CPS workers. Where is the love of innocent children. This is so wrong, wrong wrong.

FLDS - you are extremeists. You are more Taliban than American. We don't like it in Afganistan, and we despise it here.

You greatly restrict freedom of movement. You restrict freedom of choice even more. You allow no dissent. You condemn the outer world as evil. Women are second-class. Children, indoctrinated from birth, are allowed no outside influence, no opportunity for a life of their choosing. Any attempt to do so results in severe reprecussions and banishment as apostates (or as your bretheren say, infidels.) All in the name of religion. I leave out all the accusations as they are just accusations. The above is fact, and more than enough to put you in the Taliban camp.

And you are trying to impose your all-consuming, freedom-destroying, individuality-removing religious extremeism on an entire generation of innocent children in that compound.

This is America. We believe in freedom, more than you thought. We believe all people, especially children, have the right to choose their own path, without fear or prejudice.

We are fighting freedom-denying religious extremeists across the globe, in case you hadn't noticed. Did you really think we wouldn't fight for the childrens future freedoms here?

So far Taxas has not provided anyone with any substantial evidence to say that the marraiges were so "many" and "all the time" underage. I'll bet every person in this United States knows of one underage marraige or knows someone that should have married but didn't, just went on with their lives. Your children weren't taken because you knew that or even suspected. CPS has finally given the FLDS the list AND AGES of those they hold in captivity. THEY HAVE 22 (NOT INCLUDING THE ONES THEY HAVE ALREADY RELEASED) ADULTS-PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 18!!! And why do they have them? Because they suited their purposes to say "SO MANY." Give us a break!! Those children were not abused, they were happy!! GIVE THEM BACK TEXAS. Oh!-- now have you heard their latest atrocity? They are going to bill the FLDS for this Raid????!!!! Get Real-Texas start paying for what you have done-INSTEAD OF MAKING THESE SWEET CHILDREN PAY!!!! One would thing they have paid enough for POLITICAL MISTAKES (STUPIDITY!)!!!!

by the way - how many FLDS men and women actually serve in the armend forces, fighting for the freedoms and constitution you say you hold so dear (yet deny your most vulnerable citizens)?

I know, I know - it's a religious thing. Isn't it always.

The 18 year old girl with one child and another on the way is real life evidence of the abuse allegations. This poor girl was raised to believe that she was nothing but a “honey” and the absence of her “husband” in court is evidence of that. Supporting slime bags like this by justifying their absence as self-preservation just proves my point. My husband would step out in front of a moving bus to protect me and my children – he is a REAL man.

The actions of these former members – showing up trying to get their kids as “plan B” supports the allegation that FLDS members have become mindless, spineless followers of a crazy, controlling leader. Who just walks away from their family because they are TOLD too? What kind of woman allows herself to be REASSIGNED? What kind of mother would abandon her children or allow them to be raped?

It is ironic to me that the FLDS want individualized service plans (no word doc templates!!) but not INDIVDUALIZED MARRIAGES.

I travel from my home to attend church meetings – why can’t they? Living with child abusers is a requirement of their religion?

Thanks for clearing up all the lies this person wrote and told. Seems like the FLDS are painted guilty without any evidence and some don't want to see the evidence of no guilt when it comes out.

Dear Deaf Ears,

"Repercussions will be felt for years to come." So true. And you polygamy lovers will be feeling them. Stop by and see me in Abilene, Texas, any time.

Have a nice day!

Polygamy and accusations of underage sex were used to get the foot of CPS in the door but that is not what CPS is attacking .The CPS workers have said they are against homeschooling which is legal in Texas. Mormon bibles have been conviscated from the children by CPS workers. As a condition of the return of the children CPS is demanding all the mothers become employed. The FDLS mothers are being treated like convicts by the CPS workers. the actions of the state are showing strong bias against stay-at-home moms , homeschoolers, and Mormons.

You sound like a product of public school. Don't have your facts straight but you are bullying onward thinking you are right.

what about the 100 kids they can't match to any parents?????

Texas, lean on these lecherous pedophiles till they go to mexico

"So, according to your logic, and even assuming that your assumptions that the abuse occurred in another state, if somone abused a 15-year-old girl while he was in another state, and then moved to your state, authorities in your state would be powerless to remove his children from the home of their abusive father, simply because the abuse had occurred in another state?"

First, the issue is not abuse. Second, if age of consent is allowed in the state that such occurred, no crime was even committed. Third, if a crime did occur and you could prove it occurred in that state one must file to have the criminal brought to the state in which the crime occurred. Fourth, there are still plenty of states that allow for what you consider "underage marriage" as completely legal as well as first cousin marriages.

I've asked this question several times on other articles here, yet have only gotten one response which was "she wouldn't do that". Please don't insult our intelligence by saying it again. I'm not CPS and the web is anonymous...

FLDS mothers and fathers -
If your daughter decided she didn't like wearing long johns in the summer, didn't like all the restrictions of your order, wanted to go to college, pick her own (perhaps non-FLDS) husband, and get a tattoo of a butterfly on her ankle, would she still be welcome in your home, or not? Could she come home for the holidays, or would she banished as an infidel?

Answer honestly.

Our understanding at this point is that if she showed up on your doorstep in a pair of shorts and a tattoo on her ankle, you would tell her to repent from afar. She would no longer be your daughter.

Please tell us, truthfully. (And this really is a yes/no question. Saying "she wouldn't do that" isn't an answer, it's a cop-out.)

We would like to understand your definition of freedom, since that is what this is all about.

I seriously doubt I will get an answer.

FLDS Fathers: please come forward for your families sake.
Be a hero and identify yourself as a FATHER of your children.
The situation you have put your family in is entirely your fault. If YOU fathered a child with an underage wife YOU should and MUST face and bear the consequences.
YOU must take the heat off these wives and children. YOU must insist on the proper way: charge the Fathers and let the wives/children reumes their freedoms.
just talk to your attorney(s), set up some strategy, contact State Attorney General with a plan, and say to these jerks: LET MY CHILDREN GO!
be a hero.
To do anything less or allow the same to continue keeps you on par with the drug dealer ghetto father bwho NEVER faces responsibility.
Remember: If you fail to provide for your family you are worse than an infidel. To do less will damn you, and rightfully so.
..Do What IS Right....Let The Consequence Follow.

It's to bad the men are not the hostages of Texas authorities, instead of the women and children. The FLDS men show about as much love and respect for their FLDS polygamist women as they do for their lazy farm Jackass.

I guess some of you dont get it, THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL.. they do not have to put evidence up
a judge signed the order to remove the kids
this is just hearings to get parenting plans for each child and to try and get the families back together.. I disagree with there life style but
I do believe they will start putting these kids back with there mothers soon

This is far from over. Hopefully, CPS knows that it still needs to justify the removal of so many children. If not, the children should be returned sooner than later. First, there was the hoax phone call which justified the raid. Then, there were underage pregnant girls which justified the removal of all of the children since CPS couldn't tell which children were from the abusive families. Now as things are going, there doesn't seem to be many underage pregnant girls.

So far 1) some of the children did not get birth certificates, 2) the younger children were not immunized 3) their education is expected to be deficient 4) parents advocate an illegal lifestyle 5) the parents don't hold paying jobs are undereducated and don't support their children 7) some boys may have been molested by other boys 8) double the norm on broken bones 9) some girls were raped 10) they worship a sexual predator, obey his commands and live in his housing 11) about 29 boys are missing 12) the fathers would rather abandon the children than risk going to jail 13) 100 kids have no parents 14) adults don't recognize or report abuse

"impeach that governor, Rick Perry. Fire the child abusing CPS workers. Where is the love of innocent children. This is so wrong, wrong wrong."

Spam, Spam. SPam.

Spamming this blog with messages to get rid of CPS and fire the governor simply ignores the fact that you FLDS have serious child abuse issues that you need to deal with pronto.

Even if/when you get your kids back, the problem won't go away until you fix (that is abandon) your child abusing practices.

"why these people engender so much sympathy from so called Mainstream Mormons, I will never understand."

What is your source for the religious identity of every person who supports the FLDS?

The people speaking out about religious persecution and the civil rights of the FLDS could just as easily be Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, agnostic or atheist for all you know.

THINK, before making broad accusations.

"Let's take all the women and children away from Harlem next. Many men there impregnate multiple women and then abandon the chilren or abuse them."

Strawman argument, wholly irrelevant to this case.

While you're at it, why not include global warming, high gas prices, and natural disasters as examples of child abuse that CPS should look into.

RE: root of problem -

...and your facts come from Fox "propaganda" News or lying Texas authorities? Only indoctrination I see is your spreading gossip. Rather un-christian isn't it?

"This is America. We believe in freedom".... Uh, tell that to 460 FLDS children kidnapped and held hostage by the state of Texas apparently not through any illegal act of theirs or their parents but at the whim of the state.

Recommend reading- The US Constitution and Bill of Rights.