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Anonymous | 12:36 a.m. March 6, 2008
Great speech, Real America.
Now why don't you request that those "government experts telling us that they could fix every thing"
put an end to the illegal and immoral preemptive war on Iraq that is bankrupting our self-reliant country?
Now why don't you request that those "government experts telling us that they could fix every thing"
put an end to the illegal and immoral preemptive war on Iraq that is bankrupting our self-reliant country?
Thank you | 8:25 a.m. March 6, 2008
It seems from reading this comment board that there is one "liberal"
poster (using several titles or names) and several "conservative"
posters.
The "liberal" seems only to use rhetoric and baseless trepidation in arguments. The "liberal" is ironically and yet blatantly doing to others exactly what he/she is accusing the �conservatives� of doing to the country.
I am not affiliated with any political party. I did not vote for Bush. I am educated and able to discern that I would not want to debase myself by aligning with the �liberal� �arguments� being posted on this message board.
So, I thank the �liberal� for showing me the light (or in this case the lack thereof) thereby inadvertently (certainly) preventing my intellectual demise.
The "liberal" seems only to use rhetoric and baseless trepidation in arguments. The "liberal" is ironically and yet blatantly doing to others exactly what he/she is accusing the �conservatives� of doing to the country.
I am not affiliated with any political party. I did not vote for Bush. I am educated and able to discern that I would not want to debase myself by aligning with the �liberal� �arguments� being posted on this message board.
So, I thank the �liberal� for showing me the light (or in this case the lack thereof) thereby inadvertently (certainly) preventing my intellectual demise.
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Anonymous | 8:59 a.m. March 6, 2008
Conservatives are a very confused people. In this case, their argumentative
stance (they exist to fight)disallows even a common ground within their own
dysfunctional group. Like a severely dysfunctional family.
John Birch Society Conservative
Ronald Reagan Conservative
Barry Goldwater Conservative
William F. Buckley Conservative
Rush O'Hannity Conservative
The above types of conservatives listed above have now so thoroughly confused these poor souls that they are now forced to search for what in fact "a real conservative" (the title of this blog).
I wish them good luck in their search.
John Birch Society Conservative
Ronald Reagan Conservative
Barry Goldwater Conservative
William F. Buckley Conservative
Rush O'Hannity Conservative
The above types of conservatives listed above have now so thoroughly confused these poor souls that they are now forced to search for what in fact "a real conservative" (the title of this blog).
I wish them good luck in their search.
liberal is not conservative | 9:14 a.m. March 6, 2008
The liberals I know are very interested in conserving: fresh air, more space,
cleaner water, certain species if possible, oil, water sources, and for the most
part, an overall better way of life.
Now, please tell me what conservatives wish to conserve?
Now, please tell me what conservatives wish to conserve?
Bookaholic | 10:26 a.m. March 6, 2008
Way to go Thomas and Magnus! It's nice to read some of the fine minds on
the conservative team.
The liberals are just America haters, fear-mongers. If what they want ever came into being, it would be a horrible day for America.
If you admire what they propose, just jump the line. Head for Cuba or France. It's waiting for you there.
The liberals are just America haters, fear-mongers. If what they want ever came into being, it would be a horrible day for America.
If you admire what they propose, just jump the line. Head for Cuba or France. It's waiting for you there.
Anonymous | 12:36 a.m. Mar. 6, 2 | 10:44 a.m. March 6, 2008
Why should I request that those "government experts telling us that they could fix every thing"
put an end to the illegal and immoral preemptive war on Iraq that is bankrupting our self-reliant country?
There are already enough Peace-nicks marching around! The Libs control the legislative branch currently. Why don't they just stop funding the war? That is their constitutional option for ending any armed conflict.
It is typical for Libs to whine about everything, but they just never seem to follow up with action.
"Liberals" 9:14am 3.6.08 | 11:04 a.m. March 6, 2008
Conservatives, are both intellegent and realistic enough to understand that that the process of conserving fresh air, more space, cleaner water, certain species if possible, oil,and water sources can not be accomplished with broadstroke, shortsighted government intervention.
It is ignorant movie stars with bumpersticker solutions for saving the planet that are either blowing things out of perportion, or making up facts to support their wild claims. If Liberals are truly worried about saving the planet, they should euthanize themselves' to reduce the human footprint.
BTW, Libs said the Alaska pipeline would kill off the caribou. Well, not only was that assumption false, but it actually had the opposite affect.
Liberals sit around and wring their hands, fretting about the unknown. Conservatives get off their butts and face it!
Liberals tried to warn you | 11:44 a.m. March 6, 2008
Conservatives are not the brightest people in the world but are most certainly
the nastiest. When warned about where the economy is sure to be heading with an
oil-heavy administration that started a pre-emptive, illegal and immoral war
that is bankrupting the country and is now supposed to last 100 years,
conservatives come up with: "Peaceniks!" "Jane Fondas!"
"Bush-Haters!" "Environmental wackos!" "Dixie
Chicks!" "Troop-Haters!" "America-haters!"
"Communists!"... and my all-time favorite -
"Do-Gooders!"
You know the country is in deep trouble when you have these poor, frightened, wacky people demonizing good deeds.
"Do-Gooders!"
You know the country is in deep trouble when you have these poor, frightened, wacky people demonizing good deeds.
hmmm | 12:36 p.m. March 6, 2008
The "liberal" poster sure is duplicitous! A debater resorts to name
calling when they have lost the argument and they know it.
Knowledgeable people have been warning the �liberals� for years of the historically proven pitfalls of the path they insist we choose.
�We need a real conservative� means we don�t want a �liberal� posing as a �conservative�. Real conservatives do not want bigger government. They do not tax and spend. They do not pander to businesses. They do not start wars, they finish them. Real conservatives would not have needed to join or create a war in Iraq; they would have completely taken care of the Al-Qaida problem with one very effective bomb. No post 9/11 loss of American lives required. When our county is attacked and only when it is attacked true conservatives ACT!
Knowledgeable people have been warning the �liberals� for years of the historically proven pitfalls of the path they insist we choose.
�We need a real conservative� means we don�t want a �liberal� posing as a �conservative�. Real conservatives do not want bigger government. They do not tax and spend. They do not pander to businesses. They do not start wars, they finish them. Real conservatives would not have needed to join or create a war in Iraq; they would have completely taken care of the Al-Qaida problem with one very effective bomb. No post 9/11 loss of American lives required. When our county is attacked and only when it is attacked true conservatives ACT!
I don't think so | 1:03 p.m. March 6, 2008
hmmmm 12:36 -
"Real conservatives do not want bigger government"
This poor soul has been spending 3 hrs a day, 5 days a week listening to Rush Limbaugh spout the usual "liberals want bigger government!" for long now, that they have not noticed the beloved administration that the voted in keeps expanding the federal involvement into state and local affairs. A conservative vision that has resulted in education and welfare policies that have increased the size and scope of government.
Spending has exploded under Bush -- as have budget deficits. The government spent $2.3 trillion and ran a $412 billion deficit in 2004, compared with the $1.8 trillion it spent and the $86 billion surplus it ran in the final full year of the Clinton administration.
Conservatives do not want bigger government? I think you might entertain the thought of turning off Limbaugh and paying attetion to what is really happening in this country.
"Real conservatives do not want bigger government"
This poor soul has been spending 3 hrs a day, 5 days a week listening to Rush Limbaugh spout the usual "liberals want bigger government!" for long now, that they have not noticed the beloved administration that the voted in keeps expanding the federal involvement into state and local affairs. A conservative vision that has resulted in education and welfare policies that have increased the size and scope of government.
Spending has exploded under Bush -- as have budget deficits. The government spent $2.3 trillion and ran a $412 billion deficit in 2004, compared with the $1.8 trillion it spent and the $86 billion surplus it ran in the final full year of the Clinton administration.
Conservatives do not want bigger government? I think you might entertain the thought of turning off Limbaugh and paying attetion to what is really happening in this country.
Q & A | 1:22 p.m. March 6, 2008
Q: What is a real conservative?
A: A person who, when confronted with a contradiction between his or her gut feelings and the conclusion to which logic leads, abandons logic.
A: A person who, when confronted with a contradiction between his or her gut feelings and the conclusion to which logic leads, abandons logic.
What is a real conservative? | 1:30 p.m. March 6, 2008
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never
learned how to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
A conservative is a man who just sits and thinks, mostly sits.
Woodrow Wilson
A conservative is someone who makes no changes and consults his grandmother when in doubt.
Woodrow Wilson
A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time.
Thomas Fuller
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run.
Elbert Hubbard
If you're a Conservative, why aren't you behind conserving the land?
Ken Kesey
Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
Franklin D. Roosevelt
A conservative is a man who just sits and thinks, mostly sits.
Woodrow Wilson
A conservative is someone who makes no changes and consults his grandmother when in doubt.
Woodrow Wilson
A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time.
Thomas Fuller
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith
A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run.
Elbert Hubbard
If you're a Conservative, why aren't you behind conserving the land?
Ken Kesey
Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles, and see that the world is moving.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
definitions of a conservative | 1:26 p.m. March 6, 2008
Conservatism exists to preserve the power held by established institutions.
It's not about balanced budgets or families or pulling yourself up by your
bootstraps. All that is claptrap designed to make it confuse otherwise
goodhearted people.
Conservatism is about keeping the power in the hands of the people who currently hold it. Liberalism, on the other hand, is about extending power to those who do not have it.
Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson
Conservatism is about keeping the power in the hands of the people who currently hold it. Liberalism, on the other hand, is about extending power to those who do not have it.
Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson
no thank you | 1:32 p.m. March 6, 2008
Rush Limbaugh
Bill O�Reilly
Sean Hannity
Ann Coulter
Pat Buchanan
These are your REAL conservatives.
To which I respectfully say,
ah, er, ... um ... no thanks.
Bill O�Reilly
Sean Hannity
Ann Coulter
Pat Buchanan
These are your REAL conservatives.
To which I respectfully say,
ah, er, ... um ... no thanks.
chris | 1:41 p.m. March 6, 2008
Real conservative, who like Regan, cut taxes but don't stop the spending?
Bush cut taxes but don't stop the spending! CLINTON, Raise taxes and
balance the budget,hmm who controls spending. BUsh again, start a war no funding
for it, cut taxes, and never veto one not one spending bill! Stop drinking the
Kewl Aid Utah, Republicans want to spend more and more and more, they just
don't want to pay for it!
Mary Hoopes | 3:04 p.m. March 6, 2008
What are you thinking? This was the most ridiculous piece of writing I have ever
read! Read a basic text in Political Science or is that too liberal for you?
dead give-away | 3:42 p.m. March 6, 2008
Mary Hoopes, too, is an avid disciple of Limbaughism. The liberal slam is always
the tip-off.
If you've been paying attention, you will see that is the only thing of "substance" conservatives have going for them. Whining about liberals day in, day out. 24/7. All the live-long day. ad nauseum. Forever and ever. For all eternity. It's all they've got. And they know it.
If you've been paying attention, you will see that is the only thing of "substance" conservatives have going for them. Whining about liberals day in, day out. 24/7. All the live-long day. ad nauseum. Forever and ever. For all eternity. It's all they've got. And they know it.
Anonymous | 4:21 p.m. March 6, 2008
The biggest spending items in congress came from the liberals: Social secruity,
Welfare, new deal, etc.
Which are spiraling out of control.
There is only one question liberals should ask themselves:
How much of your money and freedoms are willing to give up in order have a mommy/daddy government take care of you from cradle to grave?
And remember whatever you give up becomes power and control you give someone over you.
Which are spiraling out of control.
There is only one question liberals should ask themselves:
How much of your money and freedoms are willing to give up in order have a mommy/daddy government take care of you from cradle to grave?
And remember whatever you give up becomes power and control you give someone over you.
Conservatives voted for him | 4:55 p.m. March 6, 2008
The Bush administration's budget reveal an anticipated budget deficit of
$450 billion for the current fiscal year, up another $151 billion since
February. Supporters and critics of the administration are tripping over
themselves to blame the deficit on tax cuts, the war, and a slow economy. But
the fact is we have mounting deficits because George W. Bush is the most
gratuitous big spender to occupy the White House since Jimmy Carter. One could
say that he has become the "Mother of All Big Spenders."
The new estimates show that, under Bush, total outlays will have risen $408 billion in just three years to $2.272 trillion: an enormous increase in federal spending of 22 percent. Administration officials privately admit that spending is too high. Yet they argue that deficits are appropriate in times of war and recession. So, is it true that the war on terrorism has resulted in an increase in defense spending? Yes. And, is it also true that a slow economy has meant a decreased stream of tax revenues to pay for government? Yes again.
The new estimates show that, under Bush, total outlays will have risen $408 billion in just three years to $2.272 trillion: an enormous increase in federal spending of 22 percent. Administration officials privately admit that spending is too high. Yet they argue that deficits are appropriate in times of war and recession. So, is it true that the war on terrorism has resulted in an increase in defense spending? Yes. And, is it also true that a slow economy has meant a decreased stream of tax revenues to pay for government? Yes again.
liberal spending is right | 5:15 p.m. March 6, 2008
In spite of repeated promises of fiscal responsibility by the Bush
administration and congressional Republicans, things are bad and getting worse.
After years of Republican reign, it's time for small-government
conservatives to acknowledge that the GOP has forfeited its credibility when it
comes to spending restraint.
"After 11 years of Republican majority we've pared [the budget] down pretty good," Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) once crowed during ongoing budget deliberations. But nothing could be farther from the truth, at least since the GOP gained the White House in 2001. During his years at the helm of the nation's budget, the president has expanded a wide array of "compassionate" welfare-state, defense, and nondefense programs. When it comes to spending, Bush is no Reagan. Alas, he is also no Clinton and not even Nixon. The recent president he most resembles is in fact fellow Texan and legendary spendthrift Lyndon Baines Johnson�except that Bush is in many ways even more profligate with the public till.
"After 11 years of Republican majority we've pared [the budget] down pretty good," Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) once crowed during ongoing budget deliberations. But nothing could be farther from the truth, at least since the GOP gained the White House in 2001. During his years at the helm of the nation's budget, the president has expanded a wide array of "compassionate" welfare-state, defense, and nondefense programs. When it comes to spending, Bush is no Reagan. Alas, he is also no Clinton and not even Nixon. The recent president he most resembles is in fact fellow Texan and legendary spendthrift Lyndon Baines Johnson�except that Bush is in many ways even more profligate with the public till.
reality check | 5:21 p.m. March 6, 2008
Bush is a "liberal". His policy proves it. His spending proves it. He
is NOT a "conservative". Reagan was an actor;
doesn�t that make him a
�liberal� by association?
To the one AND apparently only "liberal" poster... too bad you can't read as well as you spew!
I never listen to Rush or any of the others. I am not a Republican. I didn�t vote for a Bush, either one. I am educated enough to see through your propaganda and defiant enough to respond to your libel. Have you checked into a �free� clinic? Those who talk to themselves (giving questions and then the answers without making any sense to others) should see a qualified psychiatrist. Those that have delusions of grandeur (read �liberal�) need medication or a reality check. The reality check will come soon enough when one of the three �liberals�, currently front runners in the race for the President wins. The only boot straps a �liberal� has to pull themselves up by were provided for them by their daddy or uncle (read Uncle Sam). The welfare and amnesty provided by the �liberals� are bankrupting this once great country.
To the one AND apparently only "liberal" poster... too bad you can't read as well as you spew!
I never listen to Rush or any of the others. I am not a Republican. I didn�t vote for a Bush, either one. I am educated enough to see through your propaganda and defiant enough to respond to your libel. Have you checked into a �free� clinic? Those who talk to themselves (giving questions and then the answers without making any sense to others) should see a qualified psychiatrist. Those that have delusions of grandeur (read �liberal�) need medication or a reality check. The reality check will come soon enough when one of the three �liberals�, currently front runners in the race for the President wins. The only boot straps a �liberal� has to pull themselves up by were provided for them by their daddy or uncle (read Uncle Sam). The welfare and amnesty provided by the �liberals� are bankrupting this once great country.
You voted for him Conserv | 6:27 p.m. March 6, 2008
With all due respect, liberals warned you.
It was YOU that voted for BushCo and now you get to reap what you've sown.
It was YOU that voted for BushCo and now you get to reap what you've sown.
Anonymous | 8:26 p.m. March 6, 2008
I get the biggest kick out of conservatives.
They voted the guy in and now refuse to take responsibility for it.
I don't know how to break this do you, but liberals didn't vote for BushCo.
They voted the guy in and now refuse to take responsibility for it.
I don't know how to break this do you, but liberals didn't vote for BushCo.
magnus | 10:37 p.m. March 6, 2008
A "liberal" is a person who spends all day chatting on message boards
and talking about "the problem with ..." without ever offering a
solution.
I can't believe I fell for it.
I can't believe I fell for it.
An Example of Democrat Control | 12:20 a.m. March 7, 2008
Illinois Local, County, and State politics are dominated by the Democrat Party.
In fact, we are just about a single party state. If, you don't count the
state minority leadership, all statewide office holders are Dems. The State
maintains a steadilly growing multi-billion dollar deficit. The governor is
hell-bent on a corporate gross receipts tax, and then bemoans the private sector
for migrating out of state. It took the Dems 10 months to finally agree on the
annual budget.
Cook County just increased the sales tax to 10.5%. They maintain a several hundred million dollar deficit. The board is 97% Democrat, and has two or three convicted felons elected to serve on the board.
The City of Chicago has a larger deficit than at least ten states. The Mayor can commission 200 million dollar projects, allow 250 million in cost over runs without anyone blinking an eye!
Now, the Federal Republican Party has nothing to brag about fiscally. President Bush has sold his soul to the Democrat Party over health care, immigration, earmarks, global fear mongering, and various other social engineering causes. But, if you believe the Dems will do anything different, you are in for a real suprise!
Cook County just increased the sales tax to 10.5%. They maintain a several hundred million dollar deficit. The board is 97% Democrat, and has two or three convicted felons elected to serve on the board.
The City of Chicago has a larger deficit than at least ten states. The Mayor can commission 200 million dollar projects, allow 250 million in cost over runs without anyone blinking an eye!
Now, the Federal Republican Party has nothing to brag about fiscally. President Bush has sold his soul to the Democrat Party over health care, immigration, earmarks, global fear mongering, and various other social engineering causes. But, if you believe the Dems will do anything different, you are in for a real suprise!
they were warned | 6:00 a.m. March 7, 2008
Conservatives are just jealous of liberals because liberals have been warning
them about what will happen - but they voted for Bush anyway.
Now they whine even louder than usual.
Now they whine even louder than usual.
Old Joe | 2:54 p.m. March 7, 2008
The term 'socialism' is so outdated, it's gone the way of the
rusty old tanks of the USSR. Please come up with a new term and one that
actually makes sense in the 21st century.
"They were Warned" | 3:44 p.m. March 7, 2008
When were we warned? All I can remember is Jimmy Carter Driving the economy to
the brink, and Showing the Ruskies who's who by boycotting the 1080
olympics. Boy, that really did the trick.
Or was it when President Bubba' was allowing terrorists to kill servicemen at their leasure? Oh, Maybe it was while he was using his office to pick up chicks?
I know I'm in for a zinger of a comeback, but The Liberals are Cowards!
Or was it when President Bubba' was allowing terrorists to kill servicemen at their leasure? Oh, Maybe it was while he was using his office to pick up chicks?
I know I'm in for a zinger of a comeback, but The Liberals are Cowards!
A definition | 4:26 p.m. March 7, 2008
Old Joe -
The word socialism is the new claptrap word our conservative brothers and sisters like to use today that is supposed to be another variation of the word liberal. In other words - The Bad Guys. (But don't ask them to explain this, they are having a difficult time enough trying to define the word conservative amongst themselves.
But I respectfully would like to offer this definition:
Conservatism exists to preserve the power held by established institutions. It's not about balanced budgets or families or pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. All that is claptrap designed to make it confuse otherwise goodhearted people whom all one has to do is wave a flag at them and they become dancing clowns.
The word socialism is the new claptrap word our conservative brothers and sisters like to use today that is supposed to be another variation of the word liberal. In other words - The Bad Guys. (But don't ask them to explain this, they are having a difficult time enough trying to define the word conservative amongst themselves.
But I respectfully would like to offer this definition:
Conservatism exists to preserve the power held by established institutions. It's not about balanced budgets or families or pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. All that is claptrap designed to make it confuse otherwise goodhearted people whom all one has to do is wave a flag at them and they become dancing clowns.
you reap what you sow | 5:02 p.m. March 7, 2008
They were warned - 3:44
Conservatives voted for Bush/Cheney.
Not the progressives.
Now all but the war-profiteers and oil barons are suffering.
Conservatives voted for Bush/Cheney.
Not the progressives.
Now all but the war-profiteers and oil barons are suffering.
We're coming from a | 7:34 p.m. March 7, 2008
Different place! There are people that are scared that if we start to have
anything similar to other countries that we will turn into them! We will not
because we have started differently. A great example of this is healthcare. We
will not have the same types of systems as "socialistic" governments
just because we desire to include everyone in the healthcare system. We will be
learning from the good ideas and will try and improve upon them. It is always
hard when people have to change their points of views. But change, we must! We
are approaching 50 million without and this is not acceptable!
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