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Thomas S. Monson named as new LDS Church president
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Intrigued | 8:15 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
President Uchtdorf has a history with Germany. Pope Benedict XVI has a history
with Germany. Maybe, the LDS church is trying to hint/show something here to
the public.
Farrell Family-Toronto, Ont | 8:17 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
This gospel is true and we are bless to have Pres. Monsoon and his counsellors
to guide us in these latter days.
CougarKeith | 8:19 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
We must remember that President Monson was foreordained to be the Prophet, Seer,
and Revelator in this day and age, and President Eyring and President Uchtdorf
as his councilors! That is how the Lord has planned it, and prepared it. They
each made the choices necesary through their agency to be where they are now.
The Lord has called each of these men, no man has called them to their
positions, it is done through the Lord. The Church went forth from the death of
the Prophet Joseph Smith and every Prophet through to President Monson in an
un-broken chain of Authority, and it will continue long after President Monson
joins the other 15 beyond the veil. In all my days on this earth I will always
sustain and defend the Leaders of the Lord's Church, and Always stick with
the Majority of the 12 as instructed from the beginning of the Last Dispensation
of the Fulness of Times. Thank God we live in this wonderful day and age with
the restored gospel to the earth.
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John Lambert, Stelring Heights | 8:29 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I for one get excited when there are comments in foriegn languages. Tenemos
mucho felicidad cuando hay palabras aqui en Espanol, Aleman, Portugues, Chino y
otras idiomas. Lo siento que equivo mucho en mi espanol.
Christine | 8:31 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I felt a sweet peace when I heard the names of the counselors to our new
President. The Lord has spoken and the work with smoothly and effectively go
forward.
Fredd | 8:38 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
CougarKeith,
How can they be foreordained and still had free agency? Free agency by definition means God cannot control your actions, which should mean he cannot predict your actions. If the common belief I read on this thread, that the apostles are chosen and then prepared by their service, then the election of your president is no news. Who cares? We all knew Monson was the successor as long as he didn't die. What should truly inspire you is the selection of the new apostle. It could be anyone. If he is relatively old he confirms the younger apostles are still the future. If a young man is selected you are probably looking at a future prophet.
How can they be foreordained and still had free agency? Free agency by definition means God cannot control your actions, which should mean he cannot predict your actions. If the common belief I read on this thread, that the apostles are chosen and then prepared by their service, then the election of your president is no news. Who cares? We all knew Monson was the successor as long as he didn't die. What should truly inspire you is the selection of the new apostle. It could be anyone. If he is relatively old he confirms the younger apostles are still the future. If a young man is selected you are probably looking at a future prophet.
karl | 8:37 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
We thank thee oh God for a prophet!
Scott in Texas | 8:46 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fredd,
We believe that when the president of the church extends a calling to a new Apostle to join the Quorum of the Twelve, that choice is made through inspiration and revelation. That Apostle may or may not live to become the President of the Quorum of the Twelve, or the most senior Apostle (examples would be Elder Faust, Elder Maxwell and Elder Haight most recently), but we believe that those who do and are in that position when the president of the church leaves this life are the ones God intended to take up the mantle and lead the church on earth at that given time. An all-knowing God has the foreknowledge of who that should be and orders things so that they take place in his own time to accomplish his purposes. We believe that God inspired the president of the church in 1964 to call Thomas S. Monson to be one of his Apostles knowing that he would eventually succeed President Hinckley in 2008. If we believe in a God for whom all things are possible, that's not too great of a stretch of the imagination. I hope that helps.
We believe that when the president of the church extends a calling to a new Apostle to join the Quorum of the Twelve, that choice is made through inspiration and revelation. That Apostle may or may not live to become the President of the Quorum of the Twelve, or the most senior Apostle (examples would be Elder Faust, Elder Maxwell and Elder Haight most recently), but we believe that those who do and are in that position when the president of the church leaves this life are the ones God intended to take up the mantle and lead the church on earth at that given time. An all-knowing God has the foreknowledge of who that should be and orders things so that they take place in his own time to accomplish his purposes. We believe that God inspired the president of the church in 1964 to call Thomas S. Monson to be one of his Apostles knowing that he would eventually succeed President Hinckley in 2008. If we believe in a God for whom all things are possible, that's not too great of a stretch of the imagination. I hope that helps.
Fredd | 9:07 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Scott,
If one accepts That God knew Thomas monson would lead the church in 1964 then did Thomas Monson have free agency since then? But please understand while I do not follow your faith I don't wish to insult. But it is difficult to express my views without seeming to insult a true believer. Please understand my position. i think if the 12 sat down for a week and discussed where the church was and where it needed to go, the history of the presidency etc. Then sat down and prayed and peacefully selected one of their own that would be inspired.
If one accepts That God knew Thomas monson would lead the church in 1964 then did Thomas Monson have free agency since then? But please understand while I do not follow your faith I don't wish to insult. But it is difficult to express my views without seeming to insult a true believer. Please understand my position. i think if the 12 sat down for a week and discussed where the church was and where it needed to go, the history of the presidency etc. Then sat down and prayed and peacefully selected one of their own that would be inspired.
Denver Reader | 9:02 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
To Where?
Pres. Monson did not serve a full-time mission as a young man. He was Navy during WWII and was called to be a bishop at the tender age of 22. His life in the Church has been his mission. He has been a mission prez (Toronto). Not sure of other mission presidencies. Still... doesn't matter. The Lord has spoken through those who are called to lead the Church. Now, it is up to us to know for ourselves (and I know it is the right set). Had a feeling about both counsellors. Most interesting. We move onward and upward from here.
Pres. Monson did not serve a full-time mission as a young man. He was Navy during WWII and was called to be a bishop at the tender age of 22. His life in the Church has been his mission. He has been a mission prez (Toronto). Not sure of other mission presidencies. Still... doesn't matter. The Lord has spoken through those who are called to lead the Church. Now, it is up to us to know for ourselves (and I know it is the right set). Had a feeling about both counsellors. Most interesting. We move onward and upward from here.
Hanna | 9:08 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Now FRED!
You can have your own opinion and that is just fine. But is it alright if we have ours as well? These 3 men were called by God no matter how you think it may be.
Polygamy was not by God! No woman will ever believe this. It was most definitely by men to take the load off of some woman who had lost husbands, in their time of distress� and that is all!
God be with you too.
You can have your own opinion and that is just fine. But is it alright if we have ours as well? These 3 men were called by God no matter how you think it may be.
Polygamy was not by God! No woman will ever believe this. It was most definitely by men to take the load off of some woman who had lost husbands, in their time of distress� and that is all!
God be with you too.
MaryAnn | 9:14 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I am so thrilled at the news of the new Presidency. The variety of
personalities, of histories, of experiences, of it all. There will be great
things accomplished in days to come and the Church will continue to move forward
as the Lord wishes. And I am especially thrilled with President Uchtdorf's
calling. His simple smile and his wonderful countenance made me smile when I
first watched him talk. And I will never forget his boyish wave to his
grandchildren from the pulpit, after he had been admonished by them for not
waiving at the Conference before. Joy is in the world and I know that President
Hickley is happy with the selections as well. I can picture him smiling from
Heaven. God Bless the Presidency and their families and the Quorum of the
Twelve (well, 11 at this time, but the twelvth to be called at General
Conference in 2 months).
Heidi W | 9:18 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Yeah I too with some others got the feeling that the new First Presidency would
include President Uchtdorf (wow thats gunna take some getting use to) when i got
the news me and a friend shouted with joy in my car coming back from lunch I
would have to say I very much enjoy his talks the best I always make sure to be
able to listen to his it just seems like he truly speaks to me however I love
all of the apostles as they are truly called of god but for some reason I feel a
special connection with President Uchtdorf 8-) Maybe its my german heritage in
my blood and I too will Proudly Sustain with vigor our new First Presidency in
April I cannot wait till then!!!
Sister Christian | 9:18 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fantastic! I offer my full support to these men. I know that they are inspired
leaders and will guide the church the way that the Lord would have it guided and
directed. I echo the good sentiments.. We thank thee oh God for a Prophet!
Fredd | 9:23 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Hanna,
I never mentioned polygamy, but it certainly WAS NOT to alleviate"the load off some women who had lost husbands". Unless you count husbands sent off on missions as lost. If polygamy was "not by God" then most of your founders and at least first three prophets were sexual deviants! I think you should stick to believing it is an eternal principle, just not for these times. I really don't care what consenting adults do, and I have a pretty moral view of consenting. I don't believe in taking advantage of folks in distress like poor widows!
I never mentioned polygamy, but it certainly WAS NOT to alleviate"the load off some women who had lost husbands". Unless you count husbands sent off on missions as lost. If polygamy was "not by God" then most of your founders and at least first three prophets were sexual deviants! I think you should stick to believing it is an eternal principle, just not for these times. I really don't care what consenting adults do, and I have a pretty moral view of consenting. I don't believe in taking advantage of folks in distress like poor widows!
Scott in Texas | 9:32 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fredd,
I appreciate your respectful words, and I also appreciate your position. To further illustrate mine, I believe that forordination, foreknowledge and agency all go hand-in-hand. I can see my eight-year old son in a particular situation and can pretty much predict how he is going to react and what he will do (although he surprises me occasionally). I can do this because I know my son and have known him his whole life. Just because I know what he will do, however, doesn't mean that I'm controlling him; it just means that I have a unique perspective as his father that others don't have. God has an infinitely greater perspective with his children, and he knew even before the world was created who his prophets would be. Can such foreordained prophets still exercise their agency and lose their calling? Absolutely; the scriptures as well as church history contain some poignant examples of such men. Pres. Monson, however, righteously exercised his agency as God knew he would, choosing service over selfishness, and because of his righteous exercise of agency along with his foreordination, he is now the Lord's prophet, seer and revelator. I find this process truly inspiring.
I appreciate your respectful words, and I also appreciate your position. To further illustrate mine, I believe that forordination, foreknowledge and agency all go hand-in-hand. I can see my eight-year old son in a particular situation and can pretty much predict how he is going to react and what he will do (although he surprises me occasionally). I can do this because I know my son and have known him his whole life. Just because I know what he will do, however, doesn't mean that I'm controlling him; it just means that I have a unique perspective as his father that others don't have. God has an infinitely greater perspective with his children, and he knew even before the world was created who his prophets would be. Can such foreordained prophets still exercise their agency and lose their calling? Absolutely; the scriptures as well as church history contain some poignant examples of such men. Pres. Monson, however, righteously exercised his agency as God knew he would, choosing service over selfishness, and because of his righteous exercise of agency along with his foreordination, he is now the Lord's prophet, seer and revelator. I find this process truly inspiring.
c | 9:33 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I know these men are called of God. They will do a wonderful job. I sustain them
fully!
Fredd | 9:43 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Scott,
I have a 19 year old and a 21 year old. I will say a prayer for you and your 8 year old. mostly for you. because while 8 year olds are fairly predicable, wait until they become teenagers!!! I'm sure your son will grow to be a fine man, but good luck. I still don't follow the logic that "foreordained prophets still exercise their agency and lose their calling" with "Monson, however, righteously exercised his agency as God knew he would". If foreordained prophets lose their calling then did God know they would lose their calling and foreordain them anyway? Just an exercise in semantics I guess.
I have a 19 year old and a 21 year old. I will say a prayer for you and your 8 year old. mostly for you. because while 8 year olds are fairly predicable, wait until they become teenagers!!! I'm sure your son will grow to be a fine man, but good luck. I still don't follow the logic that "foreordained prophets still exercise their agency and lose their calling" with "Monson, however, righteously exercised his agency as God knew he would". If foreordained prophets lose their calling then did God know they would lose their calling and foreordain them anyway? Just an exercise in semantics I guess.
Hi Fredd | 9:53 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Many are called, few are chosen. Many that have been called to high positions
of church leadership have been excommunicated through their free agency. If
President Monson did something repugnant to his calling a church court would be
held.
Sorry Fredd, you seem to be working the church with your head. Just ask to be able to hear the spirit with your heart. I mean, if you care, just ask.
It's gotta be worth a shot. If you can feel it, it would be nice, don't you think?
And I personally see this whole church debate as a quick fix for this earth only. Once we pass through to the other side, don't you think things will seem diferent, and organized religion will no longer be necessary. That's why your questions are important on this side of the veil, so that we can cross over ready.
Good luck there bud.
Sorry Fredd, you seem to be working the church with your head. Just ask to be able to hear the spirit with your heart. I mean, if you care, just ask.
It's gotta be worth a shot. If you can feel it, it would be nice, don't you think?
And I personally see this whole church debate as a quick fix for this earth only. Once we pass through to the other side, don't you think things will seem diferent, and organized religion will no longer be necessary. That's why your questions are important on this side of the veil, so that we can cross over ready.
Good luck there bud.
Fredd | 10:00 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Well time for bed. I hope your snow melts soon! Go Jazz good beat on new
orleans.
It's True! | 10:06 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
It's hard for me to belive that pres. Hinckley is gone. He was truly great.
Pres. Monson and his counselors are equally great men and will lead the church
by the hand of god, just as pres. Hinckley has done. I can only Imagine how
these three men must feel as they prepare for the years ahead of them. How
amazing it must be to be at such a high spiritual point. How utterly
discouraging it must be to see the world in the shape it's in. God has
chosen these men for a reason and his church will go on strong and ever
increasing.
God speed the right!
God speed the right!
Dave | 10:11 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
pres uchtdorf was just at our stake conf. what a wonderful man! i was very
pleased, excited, and grateful that he was selected to join pres monson and pres
eyring. what an awesome, awesome presidency. onward and upward!
Proud LDS | 10:24 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fred,
I respect your right to have your opinions and I am sure there are many venues for you to voice them. However, please respect the intent of this thread, to honor our new First Presidency and say farewell to our beloved President Hinckley.
These are matters of FAITH. You cannot debate us away from our FAITH. Please allow us to mourn at our loss and rejoice in our blessings in peace.
God bless you!
I respect your right to have your opinions and I am sure there are many venues for you to voice them. However, please respect the intent of this thread, to honor our new First Presidency and say farewell to our beloved President Hinckley.
These are matters of FAITH. You cannot debate us away from our FAITH. Please allow us to mourn at our loss and rejoice in our blessings in peace.
God bless you!
Scott in Texas | 10:41 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fredd,
My eight-year old is my youngest, and you're right...my two teenagers and my daughter throw me for a loop continually! As far as my logic goes, I think it boils down to the phrase "Many are called but few are chosen." God does indeed foreordain many whom he knows will not live up to their potential and will fail, and that applies to callings at all levels (prophets, apostles, bishops, stake presidents, missionaires, home teachers). He wants, however, to give us the chance to reach that potential. We believe that God sends all of his children into this life to be tested even though he knows that the vast majority will not attain eternal life, but he gives us all that chance. Agency is the key; there has to be the possibility of making choices with eternal consequences or we can't become like him. The Lord knew that Thomas S. Monson would succeed up to this point and become our prophet; however, there is no gurantee that Pres. Monson will continue down that path. He must continue to endure to the end like everyone else. My point is that God already knows whether he will or not.
My eight-year old is my youngest, and you're right...my two teenagers and my daughter throw me for a loop continually! As far as my logic goes, I think it boils down to the phrase "Many are called but few are chosen." God does indeed foreordain many whom he knows will not live up to their potential and will fail, and that applies to callings at all levels (prophets, apostles, bishops, stake presidents, missionaires, home teachers). He wants, however, to give us the chance to reach that potential. We believe that God sends all of his children into this life to be tested even though he knows that the vast majority will not attain eternal life, but he gives us all that chance. Agency is the key; there has to be the possibility of making choices with eternal consequences or we can't become like him. The Lord knew that Thomas S. Monson would succeed up to this point and become our prophet; however, there is no gurantee that Pres. Monson will continue down that path. He must continue to endure to the end like everyone else. My point is that God already knows whether he will or not.
Dave | 10:45 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Pres. Uchtdorf quoted Harry Potter in his last fireside talk I attended. Nice to
know we have a well-read and open minded man in the presidency. I also met Pres.
Eyring in Atlanta at a stake conference, and his entire talk was in response to
a question I had asked him at lunch just an hour earlier. Great men, may the
Lord bless them through this transition time, and with the worldwide growth of
the church
RE:FREDDY FANS | 10:53 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Fredd has posted in several blogs how happy he is to make a silly, off the wall
statement and watch the mormons come running wearing baptismal clothing, only to
find he was just laughing at them.
Fredd | 11:00 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I lied I haven't gone to bed yet. But I'm going to right now and
I'll read responses tomorrow. Scott, you are like many of my Mormon
friends, i would love to share a BBQ with you (but I'm drinking a couple
beers!) Don't worry I'll cook. Proud LDS, I mean no disrespect but
this is where these opinions of idolarty (sp) about your leaders are expressed.
i could join haters at the SLTRIB but I like to dialogue with folks who believe.
I learn more that way. Good luck and God bless I have to go to work in the
morning.
Bookaholic | 11:07 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
While Pres. Hinckley will always be dear to our hearts and we'll miss him,
I am really excited about our new First Presidency.
Pres. Monson is a very spiritual, dear man whose talks have always been touching and thought-provoking for me. I think the world of Pres. Eyring, too. It will be really interesting to get to know Pres. Uchtdorf in the years ahead.
I'm thrilled that we will have a member of the First Presidency from outside the USA. I think highly of all our General Authorities. But, it is particularly nice to see people from other nations and ethnic groups embracing the gospel, maturing spiritually, and taking their place in positions of leadership within the Church.
General Conference will be interesting and a little different this year. I'm looking forward to it--as always.
Pres. Monson is a very spiritual, dear man whose talks have always been touching and thought-provoking for me. I think the world of Pres. Eyring, too. It will be really interesting to get to know Pres. Uchtdorf in the years ahead.
I'm thrilled that we will have a member of the First Presidency from outside the USA. I think highly of all our General Authorities. But, it is particularly nice to see people from other nations and ethnic groups embracing the gospel, maturing spiritually, and taking their place in positions of leadership within the Church.
General Conference will be interesting and a little different this year. I'm looking forward to it--as always.
I'm Puzzled | 11:18 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Do the 'brethern' practice the way that they should look for each
occasion?? I mean only yesterday they were all looking so sad, like it would
take them years of grief for them to be happy again and then today when they are
anounced as the new First Presidency they are smiling as if they have just won
the grand lottery.
San Diego | 11:33 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
I will deeply miss President Hinckley -- I still miss President McKay and all of
the others. But President Monson will take his rightful place with spirituality
and action befitting a prophet. God bless you all!
Prez | 11:39 p.m. Feb. 4, 2008
Booya! This is gonna be dope! The future is great. These guys are amazing!
I'm so happy!
Jane | 12:03 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Dear A Long-Inactive Member: I was thrilled to read your comments tonight and I
do so hope that you will come back to church and find joy in doing so. I will
be praying for you and for those in your meetings. I pray they will treat you
with respect and kindness. My greatest joy is when I am in church with others
who feel as I do. I have become converted over many years and now feel the
Gospel is my greatest joy. Please know you are loved.
Therese | 2:32 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Hello, I must say that I'm a kind of a pionner for I was baptised in 1972
in Paris France. Let me remind you that there were about 2 millions members
troughout the world at that time. now we're about 13 millions and for sure
Joseph Smith was a prophet. Now I'm so greatfull for the new worldwide
presidency. The Church of our Lord Jesus-Christ is for His children here on
earth. God bless all His children with this great new presidency. I love so much
His Church and all the good it brings all around the World. May we all pray for
peace on this earth especially for the little ones who suffer because of the
wrong decisions of adults not govern by Love and peace. I bear my testimony that
this Church is true and is directed by our Lord Jesus-Christ. As someone told
above, I will kneeled down and pray to make sure these good men are the one that
the Lord has chosen. May God bless all of us. I love you.
Rodger SKMO | 4:46 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
My fondest memories and thoughts go to President Hinckley. What a wonderful
man, a great spokesman, and a powerful prophet of the Lord. I will always
remember proudly a moment when I got to begin an impromptu verse of "We
Thank Thee O God For a Prophet" as he left a devotional at BYU.
Having met President Monson at a Boy Scout camp in Colorado in the late 1970s I must say I'm excited about his leadership as well. I have always loved to listen to him tell stories. Men such as these humble me and make me feel insignificant while they simultaneously lift me to heights of great glory and hope at the same time. I am proud to be affiliated with men such as these even though I am at the ends of the Earth.
Having met President Monson at a Boy Scout camp in Colorado in the late 1970s I must say I'm excited about his leadership as well. I have always loved to listen to him tell stories. Men such as these humble me and make me feel insignificant while they simultaneously lift me to heights of great glory and hope at the same time. I am proud to be affiliated with men such as these even though I am at the ends of the Earth.
Trea | 5:53 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Each of us follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, Whomever is called to lead His
church as prophet, seer, & revelator will be his mouthpiece on this earth to
all peoples. We will be blessed to have President Monson stand as the Prophet
and President of the Church of Jesus Christ today. His wit, his love, his
talents will be a strength to us all who as we follow his guidance and
direction. Likewise his counselors are men of faith, stature and humble, firm
leaders.
moxie tenn | 5:59 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
God be with you.
Christine Sukie | 8:34 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
I loved President Hinckley, he will be missed. But what a blessing to know the
process continues, inspired by God to call these great men to lead and direct
us. How grateful I am to know we are being led by a Prophet of God. The great
work continues, Christ is the Head of this great Church. SUSTAINED!!
Proud LDS | 9:48 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Fred,
Please do not ever let our expressions of love for our leaders allow you to believe that we worship them. We worship Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ. We pray to our Heavenly Father, not our prophet. We believe that salvation comes only through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our leaders are MORTAL. We love them but do not consider them diety.
Please do not ever let our expressions of love for our leaders allow you to believe that we worship them. We worship Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ. We pray to our Heavenly Father, not our prophet. We believe that salvation comes only through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Our leaders are MORTAL. We love them but do not consider them diety.
Fredd | 10:53 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Proud,
I know, but whew, were you folks pouring it on in these blogs. I understand your grief over Pres Hinckley, he was a dynamic leader after some rather lackluster years. And I'm sure these new (relatively) gentlemen will lead you well also. I just thought folks were going over the top.
Re: freddy fans,
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I like to try and ask pointed questions on controversials issues so I can hear what the rank and file say. Sometimes I can be a little rude, I try not to be, but on other, less respectful topics (alcopops etc) some people's attitudes put me over the top as well. Anyway I've learned a lot since DMN started these blogs.
I know, but whew, were you folks pouring it on in these blogs. I understand your grief over Pres Hinckley, he was a dynamic leader after some rather lackluster years. And I'm sure these new (relatively) gentlemen will lead you well also. I just thought folks were going over the top.
Re: freddy fans,
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I like to try and ask pointed questions on controversials issues so I can hear what the rank and file say. Sometimes I can be a little rude, I try not to be, but on other, less respectful topics (alcopops etc) some people's attitudes put me over the top as well. Anyway I've learned a lot since DMN started these blogs.
BDog | 11:40 a.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Dear Puzzled-
I felt exactly the same way as the brethren's outward appearance showed - very distraught last week at the loss of one of my favorite people in the world, and rejoiced today to see the mantle falling upon President Monson. I didn't practice, it's natural to be picked up by the spirit after you mourn when there is work to be done.
I felt exactly the same way as the brethren's outward appearance showed - very distraught last week at the loss of one of my favorite people in the world, and rejoiced today to see the mantle falling upon President Monson. I didn't practice, it's natural to be picked up by the spirit after you mourn when there is work to be done.
Proud LDS | 12:55 p.m. Feb. 5, 2008
Fred,
Sorry if you feel our comments were over the top, but that is the norm when someone passes, is it not? I wish you the best and will take you at your word that you mean no harm.
By the way, I was born in Arkansas and love BBQ. Just make mine a Root Beer, please.
Take care!
Sorry if you feel our comments were over the top, but that is the norm when someone passes, is it not? I wish you the best and will take you at your word that you mean no harm.
By the way, I was born in Arkansas and love BBQ. Just make mine a Root Beer, please.
Take care!
Been There Done That | 4:22 p.m. Feb. 6, 2008
You are all a bunch of sheep who will follow anything. Make that
"swallow" anything. When your "prophet seer and
revelator's" prophecies fail (eg. when Joseph Smith preached the
Second Coming would occur within their lifetimes), or become no longer
politically correct (polygamy, blacks holding the priesthood), or downright
ignorant ("Lamanites" came from Jerusalem), you just dismiss them and
follow the next "prophet" (make that old man)blithely down the garden
path singing "All is well, all is well!"
Rachel | 10:22 a.m. Feb. 7, 2008
So many of you suggest that those of us who do not see inspiration or revelation
or the "hand of the Lord" in the succession in the Church Presidency
should pray about it. That is good advice if you sincerely mean it. How you
respond to what follows will determine your sincerety:
In all genuineness, I did that. And although you will doubtless condemn me for reporting my results, I got the opposite answer! I genuinely petitioned our Father in Heaven after much fasting, prayer, and tears, and here is what He revealed to me: His Kingdom is within me, not in some building or corporate organization; He will speak to me directly by His Spirit, not by some person in a role in an earthly, corporate organization; His kingdom IS cut out "without hands," and that means it is a kingdom that resides in people's souls, not an organization you can point to that has tax-exempt status and a leadership hierarchy and office buildings; His peace comes from His love, which is manifest directly in my heart, not in the rote programs and meetings of a Church.
I hope your hearts are open to this answer. I love God.
In all genuineness, I did that. And although you will doubtless condemn me for reporting my results, I got the opposite answer! I genuinely petitioned our Father in Heaven after much fasting, prayer, and tears, and here is what He revealed to me: His Kingdom is within me, not in some building or corporate organization; He will speak to me directly by His Spirit, not by some person in a role in an earthly, corporate organization; His kingdom IS cut out "without hands," and that means it is a kingdom that resides in people's souls, not an organization you can point to that has tax-exempt status and a leadership hierarchy and office buildings; His peace comes from His love, which is manifest directly in my heart, not in the rote programs and meetings of a Church.
I hope your hearts are open to this answer. I love God.
Heidi | 11:02 a.m. Feb. 7, 2008
I liked the comment about how we could pray for ourselves and receive an answer
from the Lord that President Monson was called directly from Him!
I believe he is a prophet of God, but I'm going to have my family pray for that confirmation so we can all KNOW the truth.
These are exciting and scarey times and I'm glad we have a strong First Presidency to help us through!
I believe he is a prophet of God, but I'm going to have my family pray for that confirmation so we can all KNOW the truth.
These are exciting and scarey times and I'm glad we have a strong First Presidency to help us through!
Anonymous | 2:52 p.m. Feb. 7, 2008
Hopefully, President Monson can help out Utah and it's NOT so humble
people. Utah needs a big face lift. Try a tummy tuck as well.
I feel sorry for what the Prophet has to deal with here in Utah...too much hatered!
I feel sorry for what the Prophet has to deal with here in Utah...too much hatered!
imperfect member | 3:10 p.m. Feb. 7, 2008
converted 14 years ago, I am heavy hearted to hear the coldness of some
disbelievers. In the Oldtestament and the BookofMormon you will find that the
Lord called Prophets from out of nowhere only when there was no order and
anarchy. They, like Joseph were given the crash course and told what to do.
Some resisted as you do now, but the good thing is that you are reading and
listening and will be held accountable for your knowledge. I resisted as well,
but could not deny the truthfulness of this gospel. The people in this Church
are not perfect we all sin, and if someone has harmed you, I apologize for them.
I say this with all the love I have to give. I may have offended someone as
well and hope that my actions have never interfered with someone getting to know
God personally. Members of this wonderful Church hope you pray with a broken
heart and contrite spirit, truly wanting to know the truth. Yes we all figured
President Monson would be called as you did. I only pray you can forgive
yourself and whomever offended you. I was in tears reading and feeling your
plight.
Pooh Bear | 3:50 p.m. Feb. 7, 2008
re: imperfect member
Thanks for your nice comment.
I have been a member all my life and I do not sin, but I am a very grummpy person. This is Utah, and people here have harder shells then any where else. You, however, are a nice person and that is good for the church. The church needs more humble people like you. Keep up the good work. However living in Utah, you learn to take the punches as they come and not all members are nice, humble and kind to each other--- I am sorry to say.
Although, I would have to agree with Anonymous 2:52 pm. We are in great need for a belly and face-lift.
Perhaps this most wonderful Prophet President Monson will help us accomplish this.
Thanks for your nice comment.
I have been a member all my life and I do not sin, but I am a very grummpy person. This is Utah, and people here have harder shells then any where else. You, however, are a nice person and that is good for the church. The church needs more humble people like you. Keep up the good work. However living in Utah, you learn to take the punches as they come and not all members are nice, humble and kind to each other--- I am sorry to say.
Although, I would have to agree with Anonymous 2:52 pm. We are in great need for a belly and face-lift.
Perhaps this most wonderful Prophet President Monson will help us accomplish this.
John Lambert, Sterling Heights | 8:52 p.m. Feb. 7, 2008
Maybe others do not sin but I know I do. Some of my statements in this comments
sectio have at times been given in sinful wrath and I would like to apologize
for being too hasty to judegement.
On the other hand I have to say it is hard to be a faithful person who is looking to read of peoples encoragement and inspiration and to find people who mock the church of God. I would encorage people to avoid responding as often to mocking statements, but when people have sincere questions, to not treat them as idiots for asking them.
There are good and bad people everywhere, but I will assure you that Utah has no monopoly on either side. However I think some people could learn to be less judgemental and more kind. Of course people who are mocking and rude do not help the sitation either.
On the other hand I have to say it is hard to be a faithful person who is looking to read of peoples encoragement and inspiration and to find people who mock the church of God. I would encorage people to avoid responding as often to mocking statements, but when people have sincere questions, to not treat them as idiots for asking them.
There are good and bad people everywhere, but I will assure you that Utah has no monopoly on either side. However I think some people could learn to be less judgemental and more kind. Of course people who are mocking and rude do not help the sitation either.
A Long-Inactive Member | 9:20 a.m. Feb. 8, 2008
Thank you to those who responded to my note in such interesting and diverse
ways. One or two of you perceived a depth of spirit behind what I wrote that
frankly surprised me - and based on such a scrap of writing! How characteristic
of the Few and the substance of what I miss. Thank you. But that aside, the
hope expressed in my first note was for an expanded tolerance for diversity
among the general church membership and lower leadership levels, but led from
the top, and based on personal impressions on those themes of President Monson.
The Saints are a straight and narrow people. Necessarily so in many things for many reasons. But we are also too often a hard and intolerant people indeed. Your responses hearten me ... and chill me.
The Saints are a straight and narrow people. Necessarily so in many things for many reasons. But we are also too often a hard and intolerant people indeed. Your responses hearten me ... and chill me.
Greg | 11:35 a.m. Feb. 8, 2008
RE: FREDD
You seem to be a regular on these posts, and everyone seems to know a little bit about you. What keeps you from joining the church? I cannot understand why you blog with Mormons. You must like a little something about us. Maybe there is hope that you joining someday :o)) Good luck with whatever you decide. Mormons care about everyone.
You seem to be a regular on these posts, and everyone seems to know a little bit about you. What keeps you from joining the church? I cannot understand why you blog with Mormons. You must like a little something about us. Maybe there is hope that you joining someday :o)) Good luck with whatever you decide. Mormons care about everyone.
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