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Idaho senator slams LDS adoption agency

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BYE! | 10:56 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

This gets more strange by the hour. I am not going to read anymore nonsense on here. Nonetheless LDS adotion agency person involved should be fired!

To Be Fair | 10:56 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

Cute answer. But you have it wrong the man didn't push the lawnmower over there maybe the girlfriend did. But in any case he never gave it away. He just came out and it was gone. OH the girlfriend said I don't want it to much work, don't want the up keep. I thought we would let a kid down the street do our yard. Man said no I want this lawnmower. I will take care of it. Neighbor says oh well she gave it to us. She has all the say- Go away. You may have helped pay for it but your worthless. Take me to court. Same thing. The birth mother didn't have a child by herself what gives her the right to give the child away by herself. Until God make's women able to have children without the help of man kind then she a partner in the birth of the child. Right

Fredd | 11:19 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I went to the Idaho newspapers. According to them the birth father waffled back and forth for 7 months about keeping or adopting out the baby. The birth mother got tired of his indecision and made the decision herself. The birth father called her the week before the baby was due (Jul 2nd) and found out she deliverd two weeks early. On July 5th he was in court contesting the adoption. he is far from perfect. But the arguement that he waited six months is false. The Neilson's want to do a great theing by adopting an UNWANTED child. Unfortunately they got caught in a bad situation. But they made it WORSE when they didn't acknowledge the birth fathers rights. Who cares if the grand parents raise the child? When the father grows up and gets married he can assume more responsibility. There is right and wrong. Religion---People are quoting scripture and stating the ordinances will benefit the baby. Totally irrelevant. If the birth father wants to raise the baby Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, or atheist it no one elses business. If I were to judge religions by the posts I read I would judge harshly.

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SMART | 11:33 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

This is the worst thing that could happen for this child who would be to be raised by his grandparents. He will grow up and turn out worse than his father. Grandparents can only be grandparents. I have personally watched the damage of children who have been raised by grandparents. This little guy needs a real home. I say, give the baby back to the adoptive parents. I'm adopted and I love my adoptive parents. I don't care to ever ever ever know my BIO parents, who made me from their moment of lust. They did however do the right thing in giving me to a family who has only loved me and been the best parents a kid could have ever been given by GOD.

9 mins vs 9 months | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I believe that when a young boy gives 9 minutes of love and affection, probably to satisfy his needs, while the girl is thinking that he actually loves her, and then poof, he is gone. She then gets to have a 9 month reminder of that boys 9 minute contribution and that he is not ready to be a father, so she decides to do what is best for that child, let a stable mature couple raise it. We have couple in our ward who was on the road, about a 7 hour drive, to pick up a baby, a couple of hours before they arrived, they got a call saying that the girl had changed her mind. To me, that doesn't sound like someone tore that baby out of the birth mothers arms, sounds like a couple who had their hopes up had their hearts torn apart.

RE;SMART | 11:55 a.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I'm glad you went to a good home. But why do you see most adoptee's want to know their natural parents? This child is going to grow up not trusting anybody. It's alright to take what is not your. And your father wanted you but your adopted parents thought they would play God, judge and jury and kept you. Most adoptions are wonderful and that is great but any time there is a parent saying what I want my child and you take that child anyways like the Nielson This is stealing. NIelson Family if you are reading this give the child back, do the right thing. Adopt a child where both natural parents give you theirï¿½ blessing. Give a good home to a foster child.

MK | 12:14 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I am the father of two adopted children. I love them both and would help them find their birth parents if that was their choice when of legal age. My daughter's birth mother did not want to be found and the birth father denied paternity.

My wife and I went through LDS Social Services to adopt. Private adoption would have been financially not feasable for us.

I am glad that both birth mothers decided to cary them both to term.

Fredd | 12:41 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

Dear Smart: I'm raising my grandson. Glad to know I'm so incompetent! My daughter goes to college and works and we all pitch in. I bet my grandson is the smartest most well adjusted kid you've met. Then again i'm prejudiced!!! FYI, his Dad is in his life and the goal is they'll form a happy family when its feasible. So far, so good.

Sandra Mc | 1:53 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I had hoped after the case in Texas where LDSFS saw that it wouldn't be worth not informing the father would get them violations, they would stop this but I see they don't care about anyone or any child. I know that nothing going to change intil State Laws change.
Hey they didn't even fired the social worker who in mine and even a jury's eyes was wrong. And still they stood behind him letting him cont to adopt children out. The damage that LDSFS has done to my family is worse that death. Can you just put yourself's in these father's place. Try not knowing 16 long months where your child is. Begging and asking in court where is he and no one wants to tell you because you haven't got DNA to prove you are the father.Even when you do get DNa and prove the child is your's they still fight you. This is why most men give up the fight for their children because when you do everyone runs you down. And the lawyers tell you that this can take years and the expense. That is why most men run.

ME | 2:12 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

Jimmy Crickets guys,
I was a kid who was dumped out to every relative till I was age 4 and then put in dozen foster homes. I could never figure out why my Mom didn't just do the right thing and put me up for adoption. I would have given anything to possibly had loving parents. So quit complaining! Life could always be really bad. I know! I am who I am ONLY because of me! And I am a great person, because of me.

Jason | 2:16 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I find it ironic that a politician chooses to blame when a politician is the last person on Earth to ever take responsibility for anything. People need to take personal responsibility and quit pointing fingers at an agency.

LIFE is fragile! | 3:12 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

This baby is so darn cute. His photo seems to be reaching out to everyone. All I see is the little kid being traumatized by a bunch of ignorant adults. Why don't the people in this case find a brain and use it for a change, if they have one? and bring all this insanity to an end. I'm talking about biological parents, lawyers and the agency. Ive never seen such a bunch of selfish grown people in all my life. This little kid will someday look back at this crazy stuff- and ask himself, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

Hi Sandra | 6:52 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I can't imagine being in these father's place because I know where my daughters are at all times.

I found a responsible mother, married her, then had children, have treated her respectfully and come home to them every night.

I think that is what families do.

I don't spend my time sleeping in a truck because I can't afford a motel near the courthouse because I have a college education and a good job. My parents taught me all of this while I was growing up.

Maybe your son should have been taught this too. Instead, you help him perpetuate the cycle with your grandson.

Nice.

Anonymous | 6:57 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I agree with the poster regarding the "unseemly" baby ads on the radio. Gag me. Here's an original thought for the youth, um, keep your pants on and or zipped up. Oh, wait, that's just not reasonable nor rational for this generation, is it? This will, however, prevent the who's the daddy ping pong game.

Little Texan's Mom | 7:14 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

To "Appalled by LDSFS:"
I'm appalled that someone can be as short sighted as you are. What is your experience with this or any other agency that you are so ready to condemn them? Do you really believe that adoption is a violation of a father's moral, physical and spiritual rights?
Do you believe that biology trumps all? Should I be concerned about my daughter's biological father's spiritual rights? From your high and mighty perch looking down on all adoptions, would you like to consider my daughters adoption? Should the monster who violently raped my daughter's birth mother have had the right to consent to her adoption? The state of Kansas did, and LDSFS and their attorney made sure that every "T" was crossed and every "I" dotted before petition was made to terminate the man's parental rights. Idaho's laws provide different protection for the birth father, and I understand this is a different situation, but that he did not exercise those rights by providing emotional or material support during the pregnancy, as well as not asserting his rights following the birth until after the statutory limit had expired is not LDSFS's fault.

Helen Wait | 8:08 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

I am wondring after hearing all these many complaints if their is anything we can do to fix this obviously broken system???
If Biological parents choose to give up their children how can we ensure the Birth Children will have access to their Original Birth Certificates and any Medical info they may need??
This is somthing Non Adoptees including myself take for granite everyday, being able to answer the Medical questions in our Doctors offices, being able to have access to what diseases may or may not run in our Medical History, this has opened my eyes to the fact that if your adopted everyone at least in this forum belives the only thing that matters is if the adopted parents pay their tithing and have a temple recommend??? Some how I thought us Utah Mormons were alot less judgmental than half of these self rightouse comments....
Lets ask our selfs what we can do to fix this problem so it doesnt happen to anyone else...
I have a feeling L.D.S. Social Services is not the only adoption agency that has had these problems...

Anastasia | 8:23 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

Adoptions should be sealed, 10 years ago I had a woman call and announce she was my biological sister my Mother had put up for adoption my Mother had already told her she was a Sin and mistake and had been repented of...
She had been sealed to her adopted family and thats all that matters right??
My Mother choose to put this Mistake in her past, and that is where it should have stayed, Unfortunatly someone at L.D.S. social services gave her, the unidentifying information that led her to us... Adoption should be kept Private can you imagine how we would explain that to freinds, neighbors and relatives their is a reason for secrets and this is one of them.............

Who is at Fault? | 11:08 p.m. Dec. 30, 2007

It is funny to me that the senator has blamed LDSFS for this. LDSFS said they followed every law in doing this adoption. So if the Laws were followed and there is still a problem, wouldn't that be the fault of the law makers? Wouldn't that be this Senators catagory?

meri | 5:57 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

To Fredd: Please post the name or link to the paper where you read this. I live in a different part of the country and have no idea of the town or paper to search for. I onlyh know that it is in Idaho. I would like to read about it there.

Kati | 10:05 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

I don't understand how everyone can be so full of hate. The issue is what is going to happen to this child. He was given to this family because the birthmother couldn't care for him in a way she would've liked to and the birth father absented himself from the process. She told him what was happening and he didn't file the paperwork in time.

That child belongs with the adoptive family. They have already bonded with him and love him. I understand the birthfather wants to have that chance himself but he's just a kid. How is he supposed to take care of a baby when he can't even fully take care of himself?

I am a birthmother. I have seen the joy that adoptive parents feel when they are told they have been chosen to receive a child. To take that away from them is cruel and unusual punishment. On top of that, the birthmother showed more maturity and love for that child in placing him than she ever could've in keeping him. I understand that isn't the answer for everyone. I can tell you her decision is based on love for the child.

Anonymous | 10:41 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

Dear Kati, I agree with you completely. Thank you for your keen insight. The father is not showing the true interest of this child. It looks as though his Mom and Daddy (GRANDPARENTS) are still raising him as well. Not a good situation for the baby. I see can very well the selfishness in this whole ordeal. Shame Shame!

Good luck to the adoptive parents who have given this baby 6 months of their lives and bonded deeply with him. I will pray for them and the sweet baby.

Been there too | 10:57 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

First Kati is my hero! You are correct the child has now bonded to his hopeful adoptive parents. This makes a clearer direction. While things may have been different at different times, now is the time to put this innocent child first. Change the laws for the future (but study the range of circumstances first). My (adopted, so I know this process too) son had to have his paternal rights (which were established) removed by a court and as hard as that seems it was the right thing to do for the circumstances that existed AT THE TIME. Drugs alcohol and incarceration all played into this, these were his choices. Sadly for him, but thankfully for his bio baby the 'best' (and this is hard to predict) happened. Each situation is and will be different, judges, laws and adoption agencies will all be involved and 'try' their best. I'm sure similar situations as have been posted happen all over the country. Let's learn and grow! Again Kati and all those birth moms who come to a resolution of their choice and all the adoptive parents, HEROS!

Fredd | 11:05 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

To Meri: I googled Coeur d'Alene adoption and got a link to a story. try cdapress (dot) com (you can't post links here) I still find it appalling that folks are hiding behind the law. This mentality helps clear up why utah is the leader in fraud and multi level marketing schemes. I guess if you are technicallly within the law you can rip off your neighbors. I think if those of you who are faithful LDS pray about this you would realize that you can't steal a child from its father, even if he's young and dumb. He has a support network.

Fredd | 11:23 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

Did you know there is no adoption here? The Neilson's have NOT adopted the baby. They were told within two weeks of taking physical possesion of him that the birth father would not consent. They should have given him back then. Been there too: So you're saying the despicable behavior of the potential adoptive parents becomes the basis for making the judgement on what's best for the baby? So if I kidnap a newborn and the police don't find me for six months I get to keep the child because he bonded with me? If you were pregnant and in a car crash and the doctors couldn't identify you so adopted out your baby (you are unconscious) and two weeks later you come too but whoever has your baby won't give him back. After repeated court orders to return your baby the people who have him say "oh, we've bonded now. Think about what's best for the baby." You'd go along with that?

Way to go FREDD | 11:58 a.m. Dec. 31, 2007

You are so right. This baby can't be adopted. They were told within 2 weeks and they thought that if they kept him long enough then people like the one's above would feel sorry for them. What the Neilson's are doing is against the law. The judge ordered the child back to the true father. Say this father doesn't get his son back but has visitaion then the child will have his last name if there isn't a adoption is this how they want to live.
The Neilson family would feel different if this was happening to their brother or family member.

to: Way to go FREDD | 1:35 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

The Nielsons are not breaking the law. The adoption agency followed the law. The judge is interpreting the law incorrectly. If the law states what you must do and you do not do it then as sad as it is that is law. If Tennison would have followed the law none of this would have happened. The Nielson are hoping someone steps in and follows the law to sort this whole thing out.

TO:Way to go Fredd | 2:24 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

This case might go the way with the Nielson's and they get to keep the baby. And the father might be able to get visitaion. This child is going to geow up known that his father wanted him let's see the Nielson's explain that.
What needs to change is these adoption agency bringing in birth mothers to have the baby and hid where they are from the father and this is a known fact and if you agree with that you are sick. Sad fact is you know the adoption agency didn't tell the father he needed to file with the state. Look when it's all said and done what are they going to say to our maker. I went by the rules and even though I knew the father wanted the baby I chose to take him anyways. Your right different states have different time limits and the registry needs to be out there more and adoption agencys should tell both the mother and father about it. What do you think should have happen if the father did file in time as the man from Texas did and the adoption agency (same one) took the child anyways? What

Let Mr. Jorgenson Know | 2:34 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

Email Mr. Jorgenson just google his whole name and it will give you a government email address. I'm sure he would love to hear from each of you on this important issue. I don't think he has researched it well enough. So help him out by sending him your opinions, facts and anything else you wish to tell him

Kati | 2:47 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

To Fredd: The situations you are describing are entirely different and therefore have no bearing on this topic.I am a "faithful LDS". I put my daughter up for adoption because it was the right thing to do. She needed a mom AND a dad and a stability that I couldn't provide her. My parents offered to let me stay with them and keep her. I had a support network. The prophet councils unwed mothers to place. To: Way to go Fredd-They did not break the law. A birthmother is only required to notify the birthfather by registered mail or a phone call a month prior to her due date. After that, the adoption agency checks the paternity registry for Utah and whatever state the birthfather is in to see if he's established paternity. This boy failed to do that in time.

Going through adoption is not easy on anyone. Statistically, a child is more likely to succeed and avoid the mistakes of his/her parents if he/she is put up for adoption. That's the reality.

Every situation is different. I'm just glad I'm not the judge that has to break someones heart.

Fredd | 2:58 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

To Kati: I respect your decision. I hope you didn't do it because the prophet reccomended it but because it was what you felt to be the right thing to do independently. You say no laws have been broken, are court orders not the force of law? There has been no adoption. I mean that sincerely, the state of Idaho will not adopt this baby out. Given the State (law)has rule in a court of law that the child should be returned then what is your objection? For over five months the Neilsons have defied the law. I feel bad for them. It would be terrible to be in their shoes. I have said some mean spirited things about them myself. I apologize. But that doesn't change the facts. This is about them not wanting to feel the pain of losing a child they thought was theirs. Its about THEIR pain. It is much worse today then five months ago. It is worse because they stood on a technicality instead looking inward and knowing what they would have felt if it was their baby whisked away without their knowledge or consent.

Foster Kid | 3:08 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

This whole ordeal is blatantly unjust. As morale agents, we should be concerned with the welfare of this sweet child. His life depends on and will be affected forever by all those who have made this horrible mistake. I hope and pray that this little guy gets a home where he has TWO loving parents. Also, has the chance to learn better grammar than mine and yours. The stuff posted on here is very hard for me to understand in many cases. I have very bad dyslexia, and I hope that I have done a bit better.

Blessings for the baby!

To Kati | 3:24 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

I'm glad things worked out for you and you and the father chose that. I have a daughter that when she get's married really will have to adopt. But in no way will she or anyone in our family would want to take a child knowning that the father wants his child. There are so many more children out there that needs a home.Foster care, children born with handicaps, drug babys ect. I'm sick of seeing where everybody says to give them to a mom and dad. Divorce also happens in LDS familys.
But I'm telling you it wouldn't have matter if this father had signed (LDSFS would have still placed the child and made the father fight for his child) LAWS need to be changed. And from what i have saw and read adoptee's even from the best of homes want to meet the birth parents .

Anonymous | 3:33 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

This baby was not stolen. The law says the father must come forward before birth, not two weeks after. Who was supposed to keep the baby in the meantime? No one knew for sure the father would come forward. What if he had waited six weeks? What if he had waited six months? Doesn't it make sense that there should be a time constraint? Guess what? There is and he did not make it. Like it or not, this father abandoned his baby just as much as if he had left it in a dumpster. The fact that he changed his mind several months later is meaningless.

Mother of my son | 4:02 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

As a mother who lost her son to adoption in the sixties and had no help whatsoever to keep him from being adopted.

WE as a nation NEED to look at adoption and what it really does to people. Why aren't people concerned about the baby?

Or keeping a family intact.

mother

To: Fredd | 4:55 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

The Nielsens are not breaking a law. The Idaho court that ordered the baby to be returned to the birthfather did not have jurisdiction over them. Until the birthfather sues the Nielens for custody in the state of Utah and wins, the Nielsens have custody of the child legally. Also, nobody awarded custody to the biological father until a few weeks ago, not 5 months ago. Did you read the article about the charges facing the birth father? I wonder how you would feel about handing your grandson over to a man like that, biological or not. Wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop it? Wouldn't you at least wait for a judge in authority to order you to return the child?

Kati | 5:00 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

To Fred: No I didn't do it just because the prophet says so. You just challenged any faithful LDS and I was making a point. I do agree that the only thing that has been focused on here is the pain of both the adoptive family and the birthfather's family. No one is taking any vested interest in the well being of the baby.

When I said that statistically speaking he's got a better chance with a two parent home, I meant it. I looked up the statistics when I was considering adoption. It is more likely for a child to succeed in a two parent home than a single parent home. Those are the facts.

Out of all of this, the bottom line should be what is best for Harvey.

I don't mean to be contentious with anyone and I would never force someone else to see things my way. I also didn't mean to steer the topic away from the real story by injecting tidbits of mine. I'm truly glad that I don't have to be the judge. Whatever happens here, I hope someone unbiased and without a political agenda will make the best choice for Harvey.

blah | 5:03 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

Hate to break it to some of you but working for an adoption agency myself, and no it is not LDS adoption agency. But, we do not go looking for birth mom's to take their children. They come looking for us. Begging us to help them find a good home for their children. We would never think of searching for women who are pregnant and ask them to adopt their child out, get real. We have A LOT of birthfathers who sign over all their right also. If the birthfather has not signed over we look for him.
Adoption is a wonderful thing. We hear back from our children who were adopted once they are older and tell us thanks for helping their birthparents find a good home for them.
This birthmom in this story sounds like she was concerned about her baby and that is why she chose adoption.

I'm Adopted | 5:04 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

I have never wanted to meet my birth parents. They have a right to their privacy, as I do. Just leave it alone! To those who no nothing about adoption. I love my adopted parents. The greatest people in the world. Unlike those who are born into homes who feel they were a mistake and burden all their lives......I know my adopted parents wanted me.

I have adopted | 7:27 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

Thank you for the response above. My husband and I have adopted and it is such a wonderful thing. To many people on here are making it sound like adoption is not good and everyone should stay with their birthfamilies. We are very glad that our child's birthparents chose the best decision for our child and for them. Adoption is all done in love.

To Blad | 8:13 p.m. Dec. 31, 2007

I'm glad your a good social worker LDS needs some. But what would you do if a father said I want my child would you tell him about the registry or keep your mouth closed?. It's about love said it for the birth parents, they are unless you are a father and say you want to keep your son, then your not for it.
Read up on your paper work in Jan and see if that social worker Texas injoyes his punishment for not in forming the birth father or even putting any notices in the paper (nothing). If you follow his ways hopefully you will lose your job. And by the way on the ICPC don't lie, I thought this adoption agency is backed by the church. If you know the father and his wherabouts put it down. Don't have the birth mother not put his name on the birth records.
TO let Mr J- He's been sent the proof that most likly even if MR T had registry in time the baby still would have been taken. Like in the Texas case.

Cousin | 1:30 a.m. Jan. 1, 2008

I have a cousin who was adopted before my Aunt and Uncle could have their own daughter. It was always special to us, and we always admired our adopted cousin, who was very bright, beautiful and talented. I'm LDS, and I have had some experience with the LDS Family Services. I have read all of these messages this evening. I haven't done my homework to read all the facts about the Texas case and others sited, but I do believe that the LDS church has abided by the laws to have Harvey adopted legally and in his best interest. There have been some very responsible fathers speak up about taking the right steps in becoming fathers in a family. I think that the comments coming from church members regarding Primary songs, scriptures and other quotes from the church were given as an attempt to soften abrasive remarks, which are unnecessary and hurtful. It is the point! I appreciate the comments of those who are a product of successful adoptions. This is a very emotional topic, and we should be considerate of those who are happily and lovingly living as a result of LDS Family Services and other adoption agencies.

my 2 cents | 11:58 a.m. Jan. 2, 2008

It seems to me that Senator Jorgensen should excuse himself from this issue since he knows the Tenneson family, and is not just "interested in this issue".
I would think that would be a concern of bias that should not be involved in something as important as this issue is. We are talking about the life of a child, who is happy where he is, and a father that had 9 months to take a stand!
I am not sure how the judge, this Idaho Rep, etc. can make a decision that is not based on law? I appreciate that the law may need to be changed in Idaho, however, at the time of this case it hasn't been so therefore should be judged according to the current status of the law. LDSFS did what was required of them by law. If they had done something other than what was required and it backfired then we would have reason to be upset, however, no one can predict the future, no one knows the details of each adoption and therefore LDSFS could only do what was required by IDAHO LAW!

lala | 4:52 p.m. Jan. 2, 2008

Some kids want to meet their real parents and some kids don't! Its up to the child to decide!

give the kid back | 1:51 a.m. Jan. 3, 2008

to his daddy .. whats wrong with YOU people..

he is with his daddy | 4:36 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008

He is with his daddy and mommy. The daddy and mommy that wanted him from day one. If his biological daddy wanted him so bad he would have signed those papers when he was told to, he would have told the birth mom that he wanted him, or he would have did something way before he did. So if you ask me he is with his dad and his mom.

Romany | 4:49 p.m. Jan. 3, 2008

I grew up in a loving home with two devoted parents. I've been a loyal taxpayer for nearly 40 years. I can vote, I can get credit, I can even own a gun.

What I don't understand is why I can't be trusted with my OWN birth certificate and knowledge of my OWN heritage. It isn't about looking for another mommy. It's about learning my OWN identity - something that in most states is illegal.

If you are an adoptee and don't want your original birth certificate - no one is going to shove it in your face. But at least restore that right to those who do want it.

I live in an open records state - but because I wasn't BORN there, I am forever subject to the closed record state where I was born and adopted.

adoptee/adopter in ID | 9:45 p.m. Jan. 5, 2008

If the agency followed the law, and the judge doesn't like the law, then I agree with what an earlier post stated, the judge can work with lawmakers to change legislation, but is still obliged to follow the law.

I am both an adoptee and an adoptive parent. There is so much more that goes into being a parent than just sharing biology. That couple legally, morally and emotionally are the parents of that child. I hope they appeal and can keep their baby.

To adoptee | 12:58 p.m. Jan. 6, 2008

Like I have said before it would not have mattered if the father had filed the putative father registry this adoption agency would have took the child anyways they have proved this in the Texas case. Atleast his child was hid from him for 16 months. The nielson's signed a high risk placement saying that the adoption agency might have to take the child back. When the adoption agency knew the father wanted the child they should have ordered the child back then it would have only been with this couple for a couple of weeks. There is no such bond. Do you remember your parents before the age of 3 (no)? So the adoption agency and the Nielson family need to give the child back.

Adoption Laws | 12:51 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008

Vary from state to state. First off, I don't know if any adoption is finalized when the adoptive parents take custody. And for those who say, "Come on, they only had the child a few days, just give it back," you're obviously not yet capable of love.

LDSFS followed the law, and did absolutely nothing wrong. For a senator to suggest otherwise makes one question his intelligence.

In no state is it required that the bio father be party to the procedings. In most states, in order for the bio father to assert his rights, me must prove one of three things. 1) Is/was he married to the bio mother at time of conception? 2) Did he live with bio mother for at least six months with the intent of having a child? Or 3) Did he contribute support during the pregnancy? Answer no to all three and bio dad has absolutely no rights to the child. At least in Idaho he has a fourth option of putting his name on a registry. Matt answers no to all three important questions, and failed to put his name on the registry. Case Closed.

To Adoption laws | 3:42 p.m. Jan. 8, 2008

It wouldn't have matter what matt would or could have done.LDS family services still would have took his son just like they did in Texas. In that case the father was not proved un fit, or any of the charges in order to have his right termated. So this father should have had his son returned no questions asked. LDSFS tells these mother's not to put the fathers names on the birth records and they sure don't tell the fathers about the putative father registry so they need to get off thinking they are doing such a good job. Case might be closed but I hope when this little boy grows up and starts looking for his true and natural family he understands that the Nielson family did this to him because of love , because if he doesn't feel that way then they have raised a child to dislike them

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