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Basic Human Right | 9:52 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
You own your body. It is yours to protect. Self defense, and possession of the
best tool for that defense, is a basic human right born out of self ownership
and self government and the incumbant natural responsibilities. Absent the
right to self defense you are dependent on the State or others who do not value
your life as you do thus making you more akin to a slave then a free person.
utoc-45-44 | 10:07 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
The Spokesman-Review, Spokane, WA, 07/09/04
State: WA
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
Lisa Hansen awoke one morning to the sounds of someone moving around inside her house. Then someone ran up her stairs and attempted to open her bedroom door. "I waited to listen to see how many footsteps I heard," Hansen said. Deciding there was only one intruder, Hansen grabbed her cell phone and reached for a gun she keeps under her bed. She ran out of the room, confronted the burglar and held him at gunpoint until police arrived. The would-be burglar turned out to be a teenager who lives in the neighborhood and had previously done some lawn work for Hansen. The teen said he had entered her home only because he saw a man in there, but Hansen did not believe the explanation. Police later discovered a checkbook belonging to Hansen's cousin in the boy's pocket.
State: WA
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
Lisa Hansen awoke one morning to the sounds of someone moving around inside her house. Then someone ran up her stairs and attempted to open her bedroom door. "I waited to listen to see how many footsteps I heard," Hansen said. Deciding there was only one intruder, Hansen grabbed her cell phone and reached for a gun she keeps under her bed. She ran out of the room, confronted the burglar and held him at gunpoint until police arrived. The would-be burglar turned out to be a teenager who lives in the neighborhood and had previously done some lawn work for Hansen. The teen said he had entered her home only because he saw a man in there, but Hansen did not believe the explanation. Police later discovered a checkbook belonging to Hansen's cousin in the boy's pocket.
Anonymous | 10:07 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Sorry VA, but it doesn't take a degree in psychology to recognize that any
person who focuses on something or someone is going to "get" them if
they aren't carrying a gun, is most definitely a person with paranoid
tendencies.
What we think about expands - and gun freaks obsess on enemies being everywhere.
What we think about expands - and gun freaks obsess on enemies being everywhere.
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utoc-45-44 | 10:08 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
The San Diego Union-Tribune, San Diego, CA, 07/12/04
State: CA
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
A Pacific Beach, Calif., resident heard someone breaking into his home at 1:52 a.m. Fearing for his wife and young child's safety, the homeowner retrieved a gun and fired at the intruder, who suffered a wound to his ankle and fled the scene. Police apprehended the suspect, took him for medical treatment and then to jail.
Richmond Times-Dispatch, Richmond, Va., 7/23/04
State: VA
American Rifleman Issue: 9/1/2004
David Lee Gammon awoke to a car smashing into the porch of his Pittsylvania, Va., home at two in the morning. He retrieved a gun just as three armed intruders broke in and started shooting at him. Gammon returned fire, forcing the intruders to flee. One of them was later found dead of a gunshot wound, and a second was arrested by police.
State: CA
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
A Pacific Beach, Calif., resident heard someone breaking into his home at 1:52 a.m. Fearing for his wife and young child's safety, the homeowner retrieved a gun and fired at the intruder, who suffered a wound to his ankle and fled the scene. Police apprehended the suspect, took him for medical treatment and then to jail.
Richmond Times-Dispatch, Richmond, Va., 7/23/04
State: VA
American Rifleman Issue: 9/1/2004
David Lee Gammon awoke to a car smashing into the porch of his Pittsylvania, Va., home at two in the morning. He retrieved a gun just as three armed intruders broke in and started shooting at him. Gammon returned fire, forcing the intruders to flee. One of them was later found dead of a gunshot wound, and a second was arrested by police.
utoc-45-44 | 10:14 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
The Indianapolis Star, Indianapolis, IN, 4/4/04
State: IN
American Rifleman Issue: 7/1/2004
George Finch, 75, was sleeping in his recliner when he heard the sounds of glass breaking. Someone had broken a back window and was now entering his home. Finch then got his gun and encountered the interloper in his kitchen. "He stepped into the kitchen and he [the intruder] was right there. My dad told him to stop," Finch's daughter, Debbie Skaggs, recalls her father telling her. Finch told her the man 'just kept coming' so he fired one shot, hitting the would-be thief in the leg. The wounded man, later identified by police as Kevin Richardson, made his escape through the same window he had entered, ran a short distance and collapsed. Richardson, who died shortly thereafter, had a history of theft, trespass and prostitution arrests.
State: IN
American Rifleman Issue: 7/1/2004
George Finch, 75, was sleeping in his recliner when he heard the sounds of glass breaking. Someone had broken a back window and was now entering his home. Finch then got his gun and encountered the interloper in his kitchen. "He stepped into the kitchen and he [the intruder] was right there. My dad told him to stop," Finch's daughter, Debbie Skaggs, recalls her father telling her. Finch told her the man 'just kept coming' so he fired one shot, hitting the would-be thief in the leg. The wounded man, later identified by police as Kevin Richardson, made his escape through the same window he had entered, ran a short distance and collapsed. Richardson, who died shortly thereafter, had a history of theft, trespass and prostitution arrests.
utoc-45-44 | 10:21 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Anonymous,
Please take your spare tire out of your car,because you are focusing on that your tire will blow up.Take your Fire Extingusher out of your House/Car or any other residence/vehicle you don't need them cuase you are Paranoid.
Cancel your House/Car or any otherwise Insurance because your are a Paranoid Person with some EXTREME Paranoid Tendencies.
Oh, By the Way LEAVE your cell ph at home too.
Get my Point..............
Please take your spare tire out of your car,because you are focusing on that your tire will blow up.Take your Fire Extingusher out of your House/Car or any other residence/vehicle you don't need them cuase you are Paranoid.
Cancel your House/Car or any otherwise Insurance because your are a Paranoid Person with some EXTREME Paranoid Tendencies.
Oh, By the Way LEAVE your cell ph at home too.
Get my Point..............
utoc-45-44 | 10:25 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Detroit Free Press, Detroit, MI, 4/29/04
State: MI
American Rifleman Issue: 7/1/2004
Barbara Holland closed her used car lot for the day and drove home. She had checked to make sure the handgun she has carried since 1992 was loaded after a strange encounter at the car lot left her feeling uneasy. Holland pulled the car into the driveway and, as she entered her side door, Holland bent down to retrieve something she had dropped. Suddenly a man armed with a gun came rushing at her. Holland tried to slam her door on him, but the man shoved the door open and Holland fell back on her landing. Lying on her back, Holland snatched her pistol from its holster, ready to protect herself and her 15-year-old daughter who was home at the time. Her assailant's glare changed. "He looked surprised," she says. Holland recalls firing three times, but authorities later confirmed six shots. Police identified Holland's attacker, who died at the scene, as an ex-con named Clabe Hunt.
State: MI
American Rifleman Issue: 7/1/2004
Barbara Holland closed her used car lot for the day and drove home. She had checked to make sure the handgun she has carried since 1992 was loaded after a strange encounter at the car lot left her feeling uneasy. Holland pulled the car into the driveway and, as she entered her side door, Holland bent down to retrieve something she had dropped. Suddenly a man armed with a gun came rushing at her. Holland tried to slam her door on him, but the man shoved the door open and Holland fell back on her landing. Lying on her back, Holland snatched her pistol from its holster, ready to protect herself and her 15-year-old daughter who was home at the time. Her assailant's glare changed. "He looked surprised," she says. Holland recalls firing three times, but authorities later confirmed six shots. Police identified Holland's attacker, who died at the scene, as an ex-con named Clabe Hunt.
utoc-45-44 | 10:27 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Jefferson Post, West Jefferson, NC, 02/17/04
State: NC
American Rifleman Issue: 6/1/2004
Paul Ham and his son, Jimmy, entered a mobile home on their property to repair a water leak for tenant Kevin Clark. As they walked in, the Hams encountered a couple staying with Clark, William and Kristina Tuell. William Tuell immediately began shooting at the Hams, hitting the elder Ham in the head and shooting Jimmy Ham in the face. Both Hams then ran for their house, with Tuell and his wife on their heels. The attack continued in the Hams' home as Tuell and his wife attempted to shoot the entire Ham family. Kristina Tuell was wrestled to the ground by Ham's daughter, Sherry, but managed to escape. Though wounded, Jimmy Ham finally managed to secure a gun and kill Tuell with one shot. Kristina Tuell was later arrested after a massive manhunt and faces multiple charges, including attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.
State: NC
American Rifleman Issue: 6/1/2004
Paul Ham and his son, Jimmy, entered a mobile home on their property to repair a water leak for tenant Kevin Clark. As they walked in, the Hams encountered a couple staying with Clark, William and Kristina Tuell. William Tuell immediately began shooting at the Hams, hitting the elder Ham in the head and shooting Jimmy Ham in the face. Both Hams then ran for their house, with Tuell and his wife on their heels. The attack continued in the Hams' home as Tuell and his wife attempted to shoot the entire Ham family. Kristina Tuell was wrestled to the ground by Ham's daughter, Sherry, but managed to escape. Though wounded, Jimmy Ham finally managed to secure a gun and kill Tuell with one shot. Kristina Tuell was later arrested after a massive manhunt and faces multiple charges, including attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.
utoc-45-44 | 10:31 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Washington Times, Washington, D.C., 10/13/04
State: AL
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
A homeowner in Shelby, Ala., found four men breaking into his home, so he retrieved a gun, fired and wounded one man. The four burglars fled, and the wounded suspect was later taken to a hospital, where he was taken into custody. It was later learned the man was one of four inmates who had escaped from a Georgia prison.
State: AL
American Rifleman Issue: 10/1/2004
A homeowner in Shelby, Ala., found four men breaking into his home, so he retrieved a gun, fired and wounded one man. The four burglars fled, and the wounded suspect was later taken to a hospital, where he was taken into custody. It was later learned the man was one of four inmates who had escaped from a Georgia prison.
kodiak5bears | 10:35 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
To those that think dialing 911 to come and rescue you, I ask, what would you do
when a 150lb 4-LEGGED animal attacks you or your significant other? You see,
this almost happened to me and my 7yr old daughter one day. I happened to be
carrying, and was glad I did that day. You see having that firearm gave me
another option of defending myself and my daughter! Fortunately, I did not have
to shoot the VERY LARGE DOG, however I was prepared. Just like many others have
said, why do you have a smoke detector, why do you go to the store to stock up
on necessary items when a storm is coming? It is NOT about being paranoid!
Just like anything else in this world, one has to be educated. You don't
let your child just get in a car and drive, right? I had my first firearm given
to me when I was 8yrs old as a birthday present, 30yrs later with owning
firearms, I have not once shot anyone. (Guess that makes me a
"nut-case". SARCASM)
Anonymous | 11:09 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Just curious. Are any of these posters really "Super-Dell Schantz" in
disguise?
utoc-45-44 | 11:24 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I wish I could Post the Sign I saw today on usacarry.com under the Thread called
- Busted Buster Sign.
It says WARNING and underneath it is a Gun with a circle around it and a line across it making the sign stating that Guns are not allowed.
In the Circle and the crossline it says "POTENTIAL HIGH CRIME AREA !" "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK !"
"CRIMINALS WELCOME"
Under neath that it says
"YOUR LIFE MAY BE IN DANGER!".
"By denying law abiding citizens their right to carry concealed weapon, this establishment is extending an open invitation to theives, murderers,rapists, drug users,gang-bangers,pedophiles and other assorted felons!
Beneath that it says "Remember,when seconds counts, the police are minutes away
It says WARNING and underneath it is a Gun with a circle around it and a line across it making the sign stating that Guns are not allowed.
In the Circle and the crossline it says "POTENTIAL HIGH CRIME AREA !" "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK !"
"CRIMINALS WELCOME"
Under neath that it says
"YOUR LIFE MAY BE IN DANGER!".
"By denying law abiding citizens their right to carry concealed weapon, this establishment is extending an open invitation to theives, murderers,rapists, drug users,gang-bangers,pedophiles and other assorted felons!
Beneath that it says "Remember,when seconds counts, the police are minutes away
dennis | 11:43 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
What you think about expands.
Seems to me when you focus on "thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles and other assorted felons!" ...
this might adversely affect one's personality.
Seems to me when you focus on "thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles and other assorted felons!" ...
this might adversely affect one's personality.
Jeff | 11:56 a.m. Oct. 24, 2007
So anonymous, how would you describe a person that has no knowledge of the
training or shooting abilities of these people deciding that they are all a
danger to that person? Are all of the gun owners out to get you? How would you
describe someone that claims to know the motivation of people they have never
met? How would you describe someone who claims to know the fears of someone they
have never spoken to? You seem to have spent a lot of time thinking about this,
so who is obsessed?
utoc-45-44 | 12:14 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
dennis,
I was just "quoting" the Sign as I saw it.
Expands ??? What do you mean ??? Give examples, Please.
I was just "quoting" the Sign as I saw it.
Expands ??? What do you mean ??? Give examples, Please.
Anonymous | 12:25 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
My sense of compassion always goes out to those who don't recognize they
are the cause of their own problems. In this case, if all one thinks about
are:
"thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles, and other assorted felons" I would suggest turning off the TV for starters.
"thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles, and other assorted felons" I would suggest turning off the TV for starters.
Anonymous | 12:38 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Carry an arsenal of weaponry around with you Jeff.
Doesn't affect, my life one way or the other.
Start a militia too if it makes you less frightened.
Doesn't affect, my life one way or the other.
Start a militia too if it makes you less frightened.
dennis | 12:53 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Dear utoc,
What you think about expands: focus, concentration, center of activity, attention, etc. Tiger Woods has this phenomenon down pat - he becomes the ball.
Now what do you think would happen if one's focal point is: "thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles, and other assorted felons?"
What you think about expands: focus, concentration, center of activity, attention, etc. Tiger Woods has this phenomenon down pat - he becomes the ball.
Now what do you think would happen if one's focal point is: "thieves, murderers, rapists, drug users, gang-bangers, pedophiles, and other assorted felons?"
Anonymous | 12:56 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I'm another anonymous, & I'm not necessarily anti-gun, but I do
think Anonymous has a point.
How many of you are concerned, afraid or paranoid that the government has the power, the means & the will, to rescind the 2nd amendment?
And before you jump all over me, it's just an innocent question.
How many of you are concerned, afraid or paranoid that the government has the power, the means & the will, to rescind the 2nd amendment?
And before you jump all over me, it's just an innocent question.
Hey wife of a police officer | 12:56 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Not all cops are super low speed hi drag like your husband? Infact some of the
best tactical shooters in the country came from non LEO backrounds. Rob Leatham,
Doug Koenig....etc... The list coudl probable go on. PS did you every see the
video of the "ONLY Qualified Man in the room to handle his GLOCK
.FOYTE" Man he had a lot of training. Just because you wear a badge
dosn't mean that you have some super power over non LEO types. NYPD
shooting at a man 127 times rings a bell. Along with the Bank of america Shoot
Out in LA where you had police fire over 1,000 times. I'm not saying cops
are poorly trained I'm saying not all civilians are as poorly trained as
you assume, infact in most IPDA matches I participate in. Civilians usually
finish in the top 5. Any LEO's that attend are in the teens. This
competition imitates Hi stress with shoot No-shoot senarious.
Miggy | 1:20 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Why we carry?
1. We don�t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety.
Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don�t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don�t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don�t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
1. We don�t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety.
Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don�t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don�t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don�t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
Miggy | 1:21 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
2. We don�t think we are cops, spies, or superheros.
We aren�t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don�t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don�t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren�t here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We�ll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extrordinary circumstances your business is your business, don�t expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
We aren�t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don�t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don�t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren�t here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We�ll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extrordinary circumstances your business is your business, don�t expect us to help you out of situations you could have avoided.
Miggy | 1:30 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Please do a Google Search for "Who are we and why we carry" (with the
quotes marks)
That is us. No Billy The Kids, no Dirty Callahans, no Rambos, just average folks who made a conscious decission about our persona safety.
In EVERY state that concealed or open carry was apprved, the Brady Bunchers and the Nay Sayers predicted Wild West Shootouts and blood on the streets... IT-NEVER-HAPPENED. We are now what? 34, 35 states with CWPs and the anti-gunners keep repeating the same tired mantra and you guys keep buying it? Who is the crazy? who is the fool?
That is us. No Billy The Kids, no Dirty Callahans, no Rambos, just average folks who made a conscious decission about our persona safety.
In EVERY state that concealed or open carry was apprved, the Brady Bunchers and the Nay Sayers predicted Wild West Shootouts and blood on the streets... IT-NEVER-HAPPENED. We are now what? 34, 35 states with CWPs and the anti-gunners keep repeating the same tired mantra and you guys keep buying it? Who is the crazy? who is the fool?
Concerned | 1:31 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I have two points to make.
1. I am for Leagally armed citizens. The part I don't like about the open carry is that these people are not required to be trained on firearm use. I don't think that any person able to buy a gun should be allowed to carry it. I think that if you want to carry a gun in Utah, you should be trained first. And I don't mean point, aim, fire. There is more to gun use that hitting a target on a gun range. Plus, gang bangers could just start openly arrying. There needs to be some investigation and training done.
2. I am a cop and I don't want a bunch of vigilante justice citizens confronting bad guys. Defend yourself? Absolutely! Go hunting? No way! Instances like Trolley Square could go south in a hurry if a bunch of plain clothes citizens start going after shooters. You should barracade yourself and protect those you are with, Then stay put and let cops be cops. Also be prepared to do EXACTLY what the cops tell you to do. They are not going to be happy when they fist spot you with a weapon.
1. I am for Leagally armed citizens. The part I don't like about the open carry is that these people are not required to be trained on firearm use. I don't think that any person able to buy a gun should be allowed to carry it. I think that if you want to carry a gun in Utah, you should be trained first. And I don't mean point, aim, fire. There is more to gun use that hitting a target on a gun range. Plus, gang bangers could just start openly arrying. There needs to be some investigation and training done.
2. I am a cop and I don't want a bunch of vigilante justice citizens confronting bad guys. Defend yourself? Absolutely! Go hunting? No way! Instances like Trolley Square could go south in a hurry if a bunch of plain clothes citizens start going after shooters. You should barracade yourself and protect those you are with, Then stay put and let cops be cops. Also be prepared to do EXACTLY what the cops tell you to do. They are not going to be happy when they fist spot you with a weapon.
Anonymous | 2:08 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I'm not anti-gun either. Only anti-freaky types who are obsessed with
assault rifles and who can hardly contain themselves in wanting to use them. And
judging from some of these postings, there are more than I thought out there. I
really don't feel comfortable around these red-necks.
Anonymous | 2:37 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
This whole nutty "I have a right to own an assault rifle" nonsense is
just a modern-day version of circling the wagons syndrome. Make an enemy out of
everybody and when that supply runs out make enemies out of your own kind.
RE: destow | 2:50 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
"Don't pick on the unfortunate people who have some disability. They
are citizens too"
I'm not picking on them, you're absolutely right, they are citizens. If that's the case why don't give them mentally disabled people? Are they not citizens? It's because it's not safe! The last thing I want is to be around a blind man when he opens fire! It's like I said before, if you can't see what's in front of you, you shouldn't carry a gun. It's about the safety of everybody else!
I'm not picking on them, you're absolutely right, they are citizens. If that's the case why don't give them mentally disabled people? Are they not citizens? It's because it's not safe! The last thing I want is to be around a blind man when he opens fire! It's like I said before, if you can't see what's in front of you, you shouldn't carry a gun. It's about the safety of everybody else!
utoc-45-44 | 2:54 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Concerned,
Another LEO with a Heavy Badge...Dont we just LOVE them.
"You can have a gun...as long as it's stashed away and I can't see it and I can be THE ONLY ONE with a gun"
Another Person that became an Offier so that "I HAVE A BADGE AND THEREFORE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN CARRY A GUN".
I carry a Gun for protection BECAUSE the Police cannot be there when I need it. By the Way...Law Enforcement is under NO OBLIGATION/DUTY to Protect the Individual.
Goggle: "Police Have NO Duty to Protect Individuals"
"It is, therefore, a fact of law and of practical necessity that individuals are responsible for their own personal safety, and that of their loved ones. Police protection must be recognized for what it is: only an auxiliary general deterrent."
Another LEO with a Heavy Badge...Dont we just LOVE them.
"You can have a gun...as long as it's stashed away and I can't see it and I can be THE ONLY ONE with a gun"
Another Person that became an Offier so that "I HAVE A BADGE AND THEREFORE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN CARRY A GUN".
I carry a Gun for protection BECAUSE the Police cannot be there when I need it. By the Way...Law Enforcement is under NO OBLIGATION/DUTY to Protect the Individual.
Goggle: "Police Have NO Duty to Protect Individuals"
"It is, therefore, a fact of law and of practical necessity that individuals are responsible for their own personal safety, and that of their loved ones. Police protection must be recognized for what it is: only an auxiliary general deterrent."
Jeff | 2:56 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Anonymous,
Why would I need to "carry an arsenal of weaponry"?
Do you think I should keep four spare tires in my truck? One is usually sufficient.
And you are right, it doesn't affect your life. So why are you so worried about it? If your community is so safe that no one has a reason to be armed, then none of the people who are armed will ever have a reason to draw their weapons. If they never draw their weapons they can't accidentally shoot innocent bystanders. If one of them does have a psychotic break and starts shooting innocent people do you think other armed citizens are going to join them? It would be more reasonable to assume that another armed citizen or a law enforcement officer (if any were around) would do what they can to put an end to the situation.
And as far as my being frightened of something, forming a militia would not be a solution. Enlightening those that out of their own fear and ignorance attempt to deny someone their rights is.
Why would I need to "carry an arsenal of weaponry"?
Do you think I should keep four spare tires in my truck? One is usually sufficient.
And you are right, it doesn't affect your life. So why are you so worried about it? If your community is so safe that no one has a reason to be armed, then none of the people who are armed will ever have a reason to draw their weapons. If they never draw their weapons they can't accidentally shoot innocent bystanders. If one of them does have a psychotic break and starts shooting innocent people do you think other armed citizens are going to join them? It would be more reasonable to assume that another armed citizen or a law enforcement officer (if any were around) would do what they can to put an end to the situation.
And as far as my being frightened of something, forming a militia would not be a solution. Enlightening those that out of their own fear and ignorance attempt to deny someone their rights is.
gang bangers | 2:59 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
"Plus, gang bangers could just start openly carrying"
If you mean the gangs where people have felony convictions for assault, drugs, theft etc, then no, they would not be legally permited to open carry, because their possesion of firearms is illegal. That is why gang bangers hide their weapons. They are not supposed to have them.
If you mean the gangs where people have felony convictions for assault, drugs, theft etc, then no, they would not be legally permited to open carry, because their possesion of firearms is illegal. That is why gang bangers hide their weapons. They are not supposed to have them.
Jeff | 3:28 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Anonymous- can you identify the posts by the people that are obsessed with
assault rifles for me? I just scanned through the posts again but I must have
missed them. I don't recall seeing a single one that even mentions assault
rifles, much less wanting to use one.
Gary | 4:05 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
You cannot open carry in Utah without a CCW Permit... Unless it is unloaded.
Anonymous | 4:09 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Jeff, some of us really don't want a society filled with hopped-up angry
NRA freaks just itching to pull the trigger.
Outlaw | 4:19 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
ANONYMOUS.
Re: your questions about those who own assault rifles.
I own an assault rifle: specifically, a fully automatic AK47. That's a machine gun to the uninformed. It�s one of several guns I own. Each of my weapons has a specific purpose. So what�s your question regarding people who own such weapons?
Re: your questions about those who own assault rifles.
I own an assault rifle: specifically, a fully automatic AK47. That's a machine gun to the uninformed. It�s one of several guns I own. Each of my weapons has a specific purpose. So what�s your question regarding people who own such weapons?
utoc-45-44 | 4:21 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Anonymous,
Don't call us "red-necks" here in Utah. The "red-neck" States are too far away from here. Politically correct "Red-necks" are Appalachian Americans.
If you don't feel comfortable around us, which is your Right, MOVE to a place that you feel comfortable with. Email me and tell me and we will move there so that I will NEVER worry about ANY Criminal activity...It's not gonna happen.
By the Way Anonymous,here in the State of Utah a 14 year old can carry a Long Gun Openly with just Permission from Legal Guardian/Parent (written permission is suggested).
76-10-509. Possession of dangerous weapon by minor.
(1) A minor under 18 years of age may not possess a dangerous weapon unless he:
(a) has the permission of his parent or guardian to have the weapon; or
(b) is accompanied by a parent or guardian while he has the weapon in his possession.
(2) Any minor under 14 years of age in possession of a dangerous weapon shall be accompanied by a responsible adult.
(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of:
(a) a class B misdemeanor upon the first offense; and
(b) a class A misdemeanor for each subsequent offense.
Don't call us "red-necks" here in Utah. The "red-neck" States are too far away from here. Politically correct "Red-necks" are Appalachian Americans.
If you don't feel comfortable around us, which is your Right, MOVE to a place that you feel comfortable with. Email me and tell me and we will move there so that I will NEVER worry about ANY Criminal activity...It's not gonna happen.
By the Way Anonymous,here in the State of Utah a 14 year old can carry a Long Gun Openly with just Permission from Legal Guardian/Parent (written permission is suggested).
76-10-509. Possession of dangerous weapon by minor.
(1) A minor under 18 years of age may not possess a dangerous weapon unless he:
(a) has the permission of his parent or guardian to have the weapon; or
(b) is accompanied by a parent or guardian while he has the weapon in his possession.
(2) Any minor under 14 years of age in possession of a dangerous weapon shall be accompanied by a responsible adult.
(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of:
(a) a class B misdemeanor upon the first offense; and
(b) a class A misdemeanor for each subsequent offense.
utoc-45-44 | 4:25 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
76-10-509.4. Prohibition of possession of certain weapons by minors.
(1) A minor under 18 years of age may not possess a handgun.
(2) Except as provided by federal law, a minor under 18 years of age may not possess the following:
(a) a sawed-off rifle or sawed-off shotgun; or
(b) a fully automatic weapon.
(3) Any person who violates Subsection (1) is guilty of:
(a) a class B misdemeanor upon the first offense; and
(b) a class A misdemeanor for each subsequent offense.
(4) Any person who violates Subsection (2) is guilty of a third degree felony.
Amended by Chapter 80, 1995 General Session
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(1) A minor under 18 years of age may not possess a handgun.
(2) Except as provided by federal law, a minor under 18 years of age may not possess the following:
(a) a sawed-off rifle or sawed-off shotgun; or
(b) a fully automatic weapon.
(3) Any person who violates Subsection (1) is guilty of:
(a) a class B misdemeanor upon the first offense; and
(b) a class A misdemeanor for each subsequent offense.
(4) Any person who violates Subsection (2) is guilty of a third degree felony.
Amended by Chapter 80, 1995 General Session
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Outlaw | 4:25 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Jeff:
Perhaps it was you and not Anonymous inquiring about assault rifle owners. If so' I'll repeat my post
I own an assault rifle, a fully automatic AK47 to be specific. It�s one of several guns I own. Each of my weapons has a specific purpose. So what�s your question regarding people who own such weapons?
Perhaps it was you and not Anonymous inquiring about assault rifle owners. If so' I'll repeat my post
I own an assault rifle, a fully automatic AK47 to be specific. It�s one of several guns I own. Each of my weapons has a specific purpose. So what�s your question regarding people who own such weapons?
Dave | 4:34 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
No need to carry guns today, concealed or legal or otherwise. Apologies are
needed from the gun toting crowd that thinks they need,,, a what?? for what??
C'mon, it's your ego, you think you're a frontiersman,
c'mon.
Anonymous | 4:36 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Oh give me a break, Jeff. You know that the abundance of assault rifles in
America is at the bottom of the arguments people have with the NRA people.
AZ Shooting Instructor | 4:39 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
No place in the article did it ask if the people they talked to were trained or
not. I would guess that they regularly practice and train. I am a 44 year old
woman who carries her Glock every place I am legally able to carry it. Sometimes
open and sometimes concealed. If someone is going to carry a gun for self
defense they know the laws. Since a background check is done before the gun is
able to be purchased, you know that they are already law-abiding. It is a shame
to listen to people who disagree with the rights that our founding fathers gave
us (2nd amendment). It is an individual right and you don't have to use it,
but don't snub your nose to those who do. You never know when they will be
the person who saves your loved ones because the police are not there.
xmirage2kx | 4:42 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Gary... Unloaded in utah is full mag, not chambered
Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I agree. I also don�t want, (as you put it);
�a society filled with hopped-up angry NRA freaks just
itching to pull the trigger�: or for that matter, any other
type of irresponsible angry �freeks�.
But how about the vast majority of NRA members and other gun owners who are
neither, "angry", �freeky�
nor have any desire to shoot anything other than paper targets or game animals
during hunting season? It appears your real problem is with anyone who falls
outside of your narrow preconcieved notion of what�s
�normal�. YOU are the one who
appears to have the problem; not the vast majority of resopnsible gun owners.
Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
To: Outlaw
Say, you wouldn't mind hanging a sign around your neck telling everyone that you have an assault gun, would you?
I really don't want to get caught up in any Rambo fantasy of yours.
Say, you wouldn't mind hanging a sign around your neck telling everyone that you have an assault gun, would you?
I really don't want to get caught up in any Rambo fantasy of yours.
Rambo | 5:08 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
The people who want assault weapons banned can't provide any evidence that
they're used for criminal activity. See, you can't use common sense as
evidence.
Assault is a dirty word | 5:10 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
This is mainly a semantic problem. If assault rifles were called 'fun
rifles' or 'quick rifles,' there wouldn't be all this
outrage.
Me too | 5:12 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
If the criminals are going to have assault rifles, I should, too. Actually, can
I have a better one than they do?
Yeeeee-hawww! | 5:21 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
People who brag about having to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands were
advocates of a free and independent militia who like to hold special events for
kids in places like Brooklyn, Bronx.
Way too much TV-watching.
Way too much TV-watching.
Come clean | 5:23 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
Come on Super-Dell. Admit that you are doing more than your fair share of
postings on this subject.
Nobody will hold anything against you for this.
Nobody will hold anything against you for this.
Outlaw | 5:44 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
To: Anonymous:
Re; your suggestion I advertise owning an assault rifle:
Actually, most of the people I know are aware I own an assault rifle; the reasons why I own it, and have no problem with it. The fact that you know nothing about me other than your own fantasies, means I could care less about your opinions. They�re fantasies in your own mind with no basis in reality. But since you seem fearful of living in an armed society, I invite you to move to the UK where guns are banned. I�m sure you�ll feel safer there, even though, since the 1997 gun ban, violent crime increased 45%, surpassing that of the US. Lotsa luck.
Re; your suggestion I advertise owning an assault rifle:
Actually, most of the people I know are aware I own an assault rifle; the reasons why I own it, and have no problem with it. The fact that you know nothing about me other than your own fantasies, means I could care less about your opinions. They�re fantasies in your own mind with no basis in reality. But since you seem fearful of living in an armed society, I invite you to move to the UK where guns are banned. I�m sure you�ll feel safer there, even though, since the 1997 gun ban, violent crime increased 45%, surpassing that of the US. Lotsa luck.
OU_Gryphon | 5:57 p.m. Oct. 24, 2007
I'm curious to know where Anonymous got his training as a psychiatrist
since he seems so certain that we're all suffering from a mental illness.
Childishly insisting we are all paranoid is not an argument, it is a cheap shot
and an insult. So is calling us "red necks". If you have an actual
argument to make, then do so. Otherwise, you are just making a fool of
yourself.
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