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Pat Henry | 2:19 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Mr. Burns,
In your Letter to the Editor you asked for help in understanding how we can subsidize alcohol.
There are other examples besides booze: Tobacco, high-fructose corn syrup, poor quality health insurance, worthless health foods. Big Alcohol is just one of a number of rich special-interest groups that make enough money to influence the choices made by our Congressmen inside the Beltway.
The answer to your question is ... Lobbyists!
In your Letter to the Editor you asked for help in understanding how we can subsidize alcohol.
There are other examples besides booze: Tobacco, high-fructose corn syrup, poor quality health insurance, worthless health foods. Big Alcohol is just one of a number of rich special-interest groups that make enough money to influence the choices made by our Congressmen inside the Beltway.
The answer to your question is ... Lobbyists!
Drink up | 4:31 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
I'll drink to that Burnsie.
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Robert Oh | 5:24 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Have you been living in a bubble?
Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers.
They have fewer heart attacks and strokes.
Moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine or distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer hypertension or high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, Alzheimer's disease and the common cold.
Sensible drinking also appears to be beneficial in reducing or preventing diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, bone fractures and osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, poor cognition and memory, Parkinson's disease, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, macular degeneration (a major cause of blindness), angina pectoris, duodenal ulcer, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, gallstones, liver disease and poor physical condition in elderly.
Most of the world’s population uses alcohol responsibly. If that’s something you don’t want to do fine, but don’t make up lies about it being completely devoid of benefits.
Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers.
They have fewer heart attacks and strokes.
Moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine or distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer hypertension or high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, Alzheimer's disease and the common cold.
Sensible drinking also appears to be beneficial in reducing or preventing diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, bone fractures and osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, poor cognition and memory, Parkinson's disease, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, macular degeneration (a major cause of blindness), angina pectoris, duodenal ulcer, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, gallstones, liver disease and poor physical condition in elderly.
Most of the world’s population uses alcohol responsibly. If that’s something you don’t want to do fine, but don’t make up lies about it being completely devoid of benefits.
Anonymous | 6:16 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
I'll help you understand. Alcohol doesn't ruin families, careers and
take lives for the vast majority of drinkers.
So please keep your judgments to yourself.
So please keep your judgments to yourself.
Well Jacob | 6:23 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
When you have a need for the juice at the end of the day (or all day as with Sen
Kennedy) , it is hard to argue against its use. Why so many people think they
are free because they can use alcohol, they really are slaves to it. As one
lady told me, "I just like to unwind at the end of the day". I
suggested that she just take some Valium instead. It produces the same effect
essentially. Her response was "I can't do that, then I would be a
drug addict". While she would not technically be a drug addict, she did
realize that alcohol is a drug. One does become tolerant and potentially
dependent upon it. When you take alcohol everyday, how can you tell your
children not to use other drugs? If you try that you are a hypocrite. Your
children see right through that. Its hard to be a good parent. Its even harder
when you set a bad example.
Where ye error | 6:53 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Alcolol taken in moderation is a life enhansor for some people. The problem is
that some people are generically disposed to abuse alcohol.
I was taught in church that the wine of the new testament was non alcoholic. However the words of the New Teatament do not concur.
When Jesus made wine, he was questioned by the "lord of the feast", why did he provide the best wine after people were well drunk. Ususlly the best wine is provided first.
The New Testament tells us that Bishops are not supposed to be wine drinkers. Were it the case that no one was supposed to drink wine, this statement would have been un-necessary.
Writer of this article, you error in supposing that alcohol use has no legitimate uses beyond medicine.
I was taught in church that the wine of the new testament was non alcoholic. However the words of the New Teatament do not concur.
When Jesus made wine, he was questioned by the "lord of the feast", why did he provide the best wine after people were well drunk. Ususlly the best wine is provided first.
The New Testament tells us that Bishops are not supposed to be wine drinkers. Were it the case that no one was supposed to drink wine, this statement would have been un-necessary.
Writer of this article, you error in supposing that alcohol use has no legitimate uses beyond medicine.
drug substitution | 7:08 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Right.
Don't drink.
But follow the leader (conservative leader, Rush Limbaugh) and pop OxyContin all day long.
LOL!
Don't drink.
But follow the leader (conservative leader, Rush Limbaugh) and pop OxyContin all day long.
LOL!
To Well Jacom 6:23 | 7:11 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
You're making up lies.
HaHa | 7:25 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Do we spend money and pass laws to encourage consumption? Methinks you see this
issue through a religious filter, jacob.
Tell you what. I'll admit no one is personally responsible enough to have a dozen beer in their home if you'll admit they are also not personally responsible enough to have an assault rifle in their home.
Tell you what. I'll admit no one is personally responsible enough to have a dozen beer in their home if you'll admit they are also not personally responsible enough to have an assault rifle in their home.
Where Ye ERRor? | 7:26 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Have you been sipping a little? Kinda early, ain't it? But don't
worry *hic!* you'll be ok on your morning drive to *hic!* werk, I mean
work.
And how does Rush enter this foray? You libs really need some counseling to help you get past this guy.
And how does Rush enter this foray? You libs really need some counseling to help you get past this guy.
S2 | 7:41 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Men who drink beer or liquor on a regular basis may face a heightened risk of
several different types of cancer, according to a Canadian study.
Researchers from McGill University in Montreal surveyed nearly 3,600 Canadian men aged 35 to 70 and found those who averaged at least a drink per day had higher risks of a number of cancers than men who drank occasionally or not at all.
Many studies have suggested that moderate drinking -- usually defined as no more than a drink or two per day -- can be a healthy habit, particularly when it comes to heart disease risk.
But the current study suggested that even such moderate drinking levels are linked to higher risks of certain cancers, at least when the alcohol of choice is beer or liquor.
Alcohol is a drug. It kills brain cells, which do not regenerate. It is a barbituate, slowing things down. It lowers inhibitions and distorts sensory perceptions, reason, and physical reactions. It is a major factor in divorce, abuse, crime, lost productivity, and many illnesses and accidents. It is addicting, physically and socially. It is a tool. I have never 'missed out' on a moment due to abstinence.
Researchers from McGill University in Montreal surveyed nearly 3,600 Canadian men aged 35 to 70 and found those who averaged at least a drink per day had higher risks of a number of cancers than men who drank occasionally or not at all.
Many studies have suggested that moderate drinking -- usually defined as no more than a drink or two per day -- can be a healthy habit, particularly when it comes to heart disease risk.
But the current study suggested that even such moderate drinking levels are linked to higher risks of certain cancers, at least when the alcohol of choice is beer or liquor.
Alcohol is a drug. It kills brain cells, which do not regenerate. It is a barbituate, slowing things down. It lowers inhibitions and distorts sensory perceptions, reason, and physical reactions. It is a major factor in divorce, abuse, crime, lost productivity, and many illnesses and accidents. It is addicting, physically and socially. It is a tool. I have never 'missed out' on a moment due to abstinence.
why Rush ? | 7:47 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Limbaugh (along with the other conservative leaders) control the hearts and
minds of many in Utah.
I thought EVERYBODY knew that?
They don't like it when they are reminded of this fact.
I thought EVERYBODY knew that?
They don't like it when they are reminded of this fact.
jenny | 7:52 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
what a shallow letter for sure - all things in moderation is okay and most folks
to drink in moderation.
Kevin | 7:54 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Beer and wine are food. In small quantities they are quite enjoyable. One
can abuse food and alcohol with serious repercussions to one's health.
Consumer beware.
But the answer to the letter writer's questions is: because the state controls it.
But the answer to the letter writer's questions is: because the state controls it.
rick | 7:56 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
What is meant in the letter as; ironically?
Alcohol is taxed up the wazzu and is controlled by only being allowed to be sold in State run stores.
Meanwhile, freedom means "live and let live".
You can't FORCE others to do what you want them to do. That's called control. I'm against it.
Alcohol is taxed up the wazzu and is controlled by only being allowed to be sold in State run stores.
Meanwhile, freedom means "live and let live".
You can't FORCE others to do what you want them to do. That's called control. I'm against it.
What? | 8:10 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
All of the documented overuse of "Happy Pills" in Utah ruins more
families than booze.
And I've been to Utah County, the hotbed for this. I can't get out of there fast enough. My skin crawls.
No wonder it's a problem there.
Lisa
And I've been to Utah County, the hotbed for this. I can't get out of there fast enough. My skin crawls.
No wonder it's a problem there.
Lisa
Robert Oh for Senator! | 8:12 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Well put, Sir!
You have more intelligence in one of your eyelashes than any 5 of our legislators have combined.
Mike in Sandy
You have more intelligence in one of your eyelashes than any 5 of our legislators have combined.
Mike in Sandy
uncannygunman | 8:13 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
What are you talking about? Name one law that encourages alcohol consumption.
There are none.
To Well Jacob.. | 8:13 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
What???
Ann
Ann
Anonymous | 8:13 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Kevin, agreed.
More people die from heart trouble than anything else.
Why not tax the snot out of HoHos, Ding Dongs and twinkies.
FastFood taxes should also be quadrulpled.
And get that stuff out of the kids schools for pete's sake!!!
More people die from heart trouble than anything else.
Why not tax the snot out of HoHos, Ding Dongs and twinkies.
FastFood taxes should also be quadrulpled.
And get that stuff out of the kids schools for pete's sake!!!
To "Where ye error" | 8:16 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Firstly, Einstein, it would be "where ye err".
And it's "predisposed", not "disposed".
Secondly, there are more people in Utah 'disposed' to abuse their religion. Like shoving it and all it's faults down normal people's throats. There is NOTHING Christian about that.
Michael
And it's "predisposed", not "disposed".
Secondly, there are more people in Utah 'disposed' to abuse their religion. Like shoving it and all it's faults down normal people's throats. There is NOTHING Christian about that.
Michael
To Kevin | 8:18 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
No Kidding..food abuse.
How come most men in Utah County weigh as much as their wives need to lose?
Joe
How come most men in Utah County weigh as much as their wives need to lose?
Joe
To the author J. Burns | 8:23 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
You go ahead and avoid alcohol. More for us.
Ex Mo Joe
Ex Mo Joe
JohnB | 8:25 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
"The concentration of alcohol in the brain of even a terrifically drunk
person doesn't come close to the levels required to kill living
cells," says Stephen Braun, a science writer and the author of Buzz: The
Science and Lore of Alcohol and Caffeine. People become intoxicated with only a
tenth of a percent of alcohol in their blood. But alcohol is a "dirty
bomb," Braun says. Rather than zeroing in on one specific region of the
brain, alcohol impacts your entire noggin. The result: A few drinks can
temporarily block new memory formation, dull your thinking, and reduce muscle
control.
Grover | 8:27 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Jacob you ask a good question, but I would suggest another one which you need to
ponder: Utah is one of two States with no gambling, so why isn't it the
only dry State when people who espouse abstinence hold all the cards in the
legislature? I think we would have to conclude that answer has something to do
with money.
Anonymous | 8:36 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
S2,
You've just 'missed out' on a moment complaining about what other people put in their mouths.
You've just 'missed out' on a moment complaining about what other people put in their mouths.
Johny Fairplay | 8:49 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
WWJD?
Anonymous | 9:08 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
We don't drink here in Utah. Everybody knows that. We use prescription
drugs. Utah ranks #1 in the nation for prescription drug abuse. Yes folks,
thats right! #1 in the nation. So, keep your self righteous attitudes as you
go to your medicine cabinet to pop your lortab or xanex.
On a State level | 9:13 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Hard stuff at State controlled stores, does pay for free luch for
disadvantaged/poor school children. Without it, we would see a raise in taxes to
cover the loss.
There is your one economic value
There is your one economic value
Anonymous | 9:20 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
After living abroad and experiencing many different places and culture - I see
nothing has changed in Utah.
Snares | 9:20 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Alcohol is addicting and destructive, someday its use will be shunned in just
the way smokers are shunned. You used to see doctors with cigarettes hanging
out of their mouths. As consciousness rises in the race, all these addictions
and diminishing of conciousness will fall away. Why would an intelligent person
desire to make himself stupid? Alcohol is a poison that has mind altering side
effect. Drink enough and you die.
Don't talk about moderate drinkers, all drinkers eventually end up alcoholics if they live long enough. Never saw, never met an "old" moderate drinker. Know some old folks that get bleary every night. Drinkers end up drinking in their homes because they can't go out in public anymore, too drunk. They don't even remember.
Don't talk about moderate drinkers, all drinkers eventually end up alcoholics if they live long enough. Never saw, never met an "old" moderate drinker. Know some old folks that get bleary every night. Drinkers end up drinking in their homes because they can't go out in public anymore, too drunk. They don't even remember.
KJB | 9:21 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Ah, the "get out of my life" conservatives who want to force their
beliefs about alcohol on everybody else. I'd actually say that the Word of
Wisdom itself is inspired, but it's too bad that it's been turned into
"a glass of wine is worse than heroin, so go ahead and stuff yourself with
fat and sugar." Ever seen the spread at a ward potluck?
To Fairplay | 9:33 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
WWJD? He'd make wine for all of us!
Mikey
Mikey
Oh Please | 9:36 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Tax alcohol out of existence. In Utah, we should slap a 1000 percent tax on it.
Alcohol does nothing but destroy lives, poison people, create dependency, wreck
cars and bodies, ruin health, and cost the rest of us a bundle to treat it when
the drunks end up on the public dole. It's a scourge. I would happily vote
to tax it to the point of disappearance.
Fast Food Face | 9:37 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Can some one please tell me one single good outcome from stuffing your kids
faces with fast food? Why do people in this state pick and choose what they
think is good or bad? Thier are a lot of things out that are terrible for you,
so why is alcohol the scape goat? Moderation in all things, besides if Ole Joe
liked to drink wine with guests it must have been ok with the bearded one in the
sky! He He Ha
Why??... | 9:39 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
....are Mormons living in an insulated dream world that has nothing to do with
reality?
What gives with this painful puritanism?
Too bad they just didn't keep on going and settle in Winnemucca.
Michael K.
What gives with this painful puritanism?
Too bad they just didn't keep on going and settle in Winnemucca.
Michael K.
To State level | 9:42 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Yeah..See? Most Mormons don't drink, but everyone that DOES is paying to
feed their kids.
We gentiles are indeed the "beast to bleed", as they see it.
Bleed us for every penny.
That's why I support liquor stores in normal states.
Jack
We gentiles are indeed the "beast to bleed", as they see it.
Bleed us for every penny.
That's why I support liquor stores in normal states.
Jack
To Snares | 10:12 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
"...all drinkers eventually end up alcoholics if they live long enough"
You think most of the rest of the world is nothing but alcoholics?
"Drink enough and you die"
Everyone dies.
This comment must be sarcasm 'cause it's completely rediculous.
PCT | 10:12 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
So I thought Utah Republicans meant getting the government out of your life,
isn't that why there's no gun control or helmet laws. You can't
pick and choose when and where you want government involvement. The Utah GOP is
so far right, they are extreme left and don't even realize it.
What would happen if we banned pharm drugs from Utah County? That would be a sight to behold in deed. Riots in Provo!!
What would happen if we banned pharm drugs from Utah County? That would be a sight to behold in deed. Riots in Provo!!
Ask Joseph Smith | 10:23 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
I suggest that you read Rough Stone Rolling by Richard Bushman. Then i suggest
you have an imaginary conversation and ask Joseph Smith why he drank wine and
what good he gained by drinking!
My own man | 10:31 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
I buy all of my alcohol in Nevada. It is cheaper, also I gamble a bit when
I'm there. Utah gets none of my alcohol taxes. Like Jesus, I like my
wine.
Alcohol isn't going away | 10:32 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
As long as people have access to sugary liquid, yeast, and containers to let the
mixture sit for a while, alchohol will be part of our civilization. They
can't even control it in prisons where it is common knowledge how to
combine food and water to make alcohol.
So the good news is if you enjoy griping about alcohol use you can look forward to griping about it the rest of your life.
So the good news is if you enjoy griping about alcohol use you can look forward to griping about it the rest of your life.
ExMoWeHoMo | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
The only way I can bring myself to return to Utah to visit family is through the
gift of alcohol (lots) and her equally lovely sister Vicodin.
alcohol encouraged? | 11:01 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
it's not "encouraged". It is freedom. Same for smoking. The
fact that the gov't taxes and publicly humiliates smokers is actually a
loss of freedom.
Freedom means people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't impose on the rights of others. Granted, smoking raises insurance and medical costs, so there is some rationale for using scare tactics to reduce smoking, but to tax it to the extent that it becomes unaffordable is simply wrong.
there are other "vices" like gambling, porn, etc that "aren't in society's best interest". But that's the price of freedom. You have to let people do what they want even if you think it's bad. Similar case with gay marriage. It might rub you the wrong way, but since it doesn't impose on your rights, it should be allowed. Same for legalizing and taxing marijuana - absolutely no reason it shouldn't be treated like alcohol. Reduces crime, saves money, and brings in more tax dollars
freedom has a price - it's called tolerance - practice it or risk losing freedoms of your own.
People are WAY too involved in what others do...
Freedom means people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't impose on the rights of others. Granted, smoking raises insurance and medical costs, so there is some rationale for using scare tactics to reduce smoking, but to tax it to the extent that it becomes unaffordable is simply wrong.
there are other "vices" like gambling, porn, etc that "aren't in society's best interest". But that's the price of freedom. You have to let people do what they want even if you think it's bad. Similar case with gay marriage. It might rub you the wrong way, but since it doesn't impose on your rights, it should be allowed. Same for legalizing and taxing marijuana - absolutely no reason it shouldn't be treated like alcohol. Reduces crime, saves money, and brings in more tax dollars
freedom has a price - it's called tolerance - practice it or risk losing freedoms of your own.
People are WAY too involved in what others do...
RedShirt | 11:02 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
How about we get get rid of all caffine in products too (with the exception of
medications)!! It is just as addicting, and has a series of problems that it
causes too.
Jack Flash | 11:04 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Robert Oh is correct. Thanx, Robert Oh, for an intelligent comment.
Adding to Robert Oh's comment, I will point out that, beyond the (antioxidant and antibacterial) health benefits of moderate consumption of certain alcohols, there is the TASTE!
Anyone who appreciates good food must appreciate good drinks with it. Certain foods are meant to be enjoyed accompanied by good wine.
Ever had a 1988 Krug Champagne from Reims? Or a 2000 Francois Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru “Le Clos” from Burgundy? or a 1990 Domaine de la Romanée Conti “La Tâche” Grand Cru from Burgundy?
Then you HAVEN'T TRULY LIVED!
Adding to Robert Oh's comment, I will point out that, beyond the (antioxidant and antibacterial) health benefits of moderate consumption of certain alcohols, there is the TASTE!
Anyone who appreciates good food must appreciate good drinks with it. Certain foods are meant to be enjoyed accompanied by good wine.
Ever had a 1988 Krug Champagne from Reims? Or a 2000 Francois Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru “Le Clos” from Burgundy? or a 1990 Domaine de la Romanée Conti “La Tâche” Grand Cru from Burgundy?
Then you HAVEN'T TRULY LIVED!
SLC gal | 11:45 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
It's becuase people want the freedom to destroy their health, and all the
restrictions put on alchol in this state make it all the more tempting for those
who imbibe and need the sense of self superiority to feel like they're
'sticking it to the man.'
re To "Where ye error" | 8:16 a | 11:49 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
I don't think Einstein would be focusing on spelling, he would focus on the
issues at hand.
lowonoil | 11:51 a.m. Aug. 28, 2009
Oh Please | 9:36 a.m:"Tax alcohol out of existence. In Utah, we should slap
a 1000 percent tax on it."
Good luck with that. Dr. Welch earned his place in history by discovering how to make grape juice NOT spontaneously turn into wine. Alchohol is way too easy to make out of grains and other staple foods.
Stop selling alcoholic beverages and people will just make them, unless you take away their food too.
Good luck with that. Dr. Welch earned his place in history by discovering how to make grape juice NOT spontaneously turn into wine. Alchohol is way too easy to make out of grains and other staple foods.
Stop selling alcoholic beverages and people will just make them, unless you take away their food too.
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