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Utah Jazz match Portland offer to Millsap
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Miles | 12:58 a.m. July 17, 2009
Not impressed with Kevin's ability to build a winner.
Pastor88 | 1:07 a.m. July 17, 2009
32 diveded by four is still 8.0 mil per year.
add the luxury tax and oh my.
How many higher profile players have taken less?
What is Artests contract? Ariza?
Portland wins round 1. they got exactly what they wanted. They put one of their competitors in a huge hole.
Hope KOC has a backhoe!
add the luxury tax and oh my.
How many higher profile players have taken less?
What is Artests contract? Ariza?
Portland wins round 1. they got exactly what they wanted. They put one of their competitors in a huge hole.
Hope KOC has a backhoe!
No T-Mac !!!! | 1:25 a.m. July 17, 2009
If the Jazz traded for T-Mac then count on the team not making it out of the 1st
round of the playoffs or not making the playoffs all together.
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Anonymous | 2:11 a.m. July 17, 2009
So we are supposed to be happy that we have a cheaper but inferior team
"for the foreseeable future"? I'm not on board with this one.
RE MK - MK | 5:35 a.m. July 17, 2009
Boozer plays nervous?...LMAO! Are you kidding me?
He gets paid a ton of $$$... maybe he could see someone about it? LOL...I think you'll find Jazz fans are no different than any other fan base...
Your reply has nothing to do with my original post of people spouting off about trades...we will get nothing of value.
He gets paid a ton of $$$... maybe he could see someone about it? LOL...I think you'll find Jazz fans are no different than any other fan base...
Your reply has nothing to do with my original post of people spouting off about trades...we will get nothing of value.
zorro | 6:25 a.m. July 17, 2009
The Jazz are the Jazz and always will be. KOC has drafed some questionable
players, but I suspect he had help with Jerry in the background. After all this
is Jerry's team and I'm sure he has had a lot of say as to what
happens. But we never here that.
Just for the record there isn't a NBA player out there that is worth the type of money they throw around. There are a lot of people in this world that have real jobs, and make a bigger long term impact on society than any of the NBA elite. So let the Jazz have there fun. Fans can't change anything. Everyone enjoy your weekend.
Just for the record there isn't a NBA player out there that is worth the type of money they throw around. There are a lot of people in this world that have real jobs, and make a bigger long term impact on society than any of the NBA elite. So let the Jazz have there fun. Fans can't change anything. Everyone enjoy your weekend.
Skippy | 7:34 a.m. July 17, 2009
Boozer's value will be much higher when teams are looking to compete for
the play-offs. Keep him until then at least.
John Wicks | 8:01 a.m. July 17, 2009
Another dumb move by the Jazz. It's time for KOC to be fired. Move Sloan to
a VP position, make Stockton the new GM and hire horny as the coach. This is
something the fans have wanted for a long time.
skippy i agree | 8:06 a.m. July 17, 2009
Boozer will play like a beast this year in order to get another fat contract. So
keep him for now till a solid trade comes around later in the season.
As annoying as it might be to have him around he will play hard for his next contract. And Carlos plays hard the Jazz win and that's just what he wants to be able to say to any possible suitors.
As annoying as it might be to have him around he will play hard for his next contract. And Carlos plays hard the Jazz win and that's just what he wants to be able to say to any possible suitors.
PurplePeopleEater | 8:07 a.m. July 17, 2009
Cracks me up how people can talk about a player being worth only 6 mil vs. 9
mil. NO player is worth more than even 1 mil! It's a friggin' GAME,
people!
Athlete salaries are a sign of a misguided society. There are many things more important than athletics. Sure, donations and charities benefit, but not as much as those total salaries might suggest should happen.
Still, glad to see Millsap is retained. Don't care if Boozer is or not, except his durability is a liability.
May the injury Gods be kind to the Jazz this year!
Athlete salaries are a sign of a misguided society. There are many things more important than athletics. Sure, donations and charities benefit, but not as much as those total salaries might suggest should happen.
Still, glad to see Millsap is retained. Don't care if Boozer is or not, except his durability is a liability.
May the injury Gods be kind to the Jazz this year!
Dallas | 8:08 a.m. July 17, 2009
Millsap, welcome to the world of high expectations. You better improve or this
could be your last 4 years in the NBA. With your agent popping off like he did,
and with you basically giving one of your five fingers to the Jazz by allowing
the Jail-Blazers to play a game similar to scenes in the movie Deliverance. I
think Millsap has quickly gone from fan favorite to do something more or
else.
I use to value Millsaps toughness, but between his agent reps and the signed Blazers contract... I'm not a big fan anymore. He has a lot to prove and I don't think he can do it.
Bad move by the Jazz, I would have rather gone into the lottery next season without Millsap than with him.
I use to value Millsaps toughness, but between his agent reps and the signed Blazers contract... I'm not a big fan anymore. He has a lot to prove and I don't think he can do it.
Bad move by the Jazz, I would have rather gone into the lottery next season without Millsap than with him.
Terd | 8:13 a.m. July 17, 2009
Millsap's rep is a terd! He just sounds like he's a drama queen.
Utah played this the smart way like any other team would have...you don't
just throw money at a player without knowing the market first, especially in
this market. I hope his attitude doesn't rub off on Paul.
watch and learn | 8:30 a.m. July 17, 2009
Millsap contract will look really sweet in 2 years so we need to bite the bullet for now.
Need to trade Boozer to a team that lacks offense. Houston fits that bill. They have lost 3 significant offensive weapons.
Our team needs to shore up the Brewer situation. He cannot shoot outside the key. Our shooting coach (Hornacek) has been an abysmal failure. Korver is also really weak in pressure situations.
These few trades can make our team much more of a contender.
Re:Re: Todd from Santa Ana | 8:42 a.m. July 17, 2009
Actually, signing Rip saves the Jazz 2.8 million dollars, not 1.4, because the
money is doubled in luxury tax savings. I don't think Detroit is a willing
trade partner.
The Millsap contract | 8:48 a.m. July 17, 2009
is not an albatross unless the Jazz act like they usually do. That is the
problem. Sloan is running the team and the corporate philosophy is so
predictable POR and just about everyone else in the world can take advantage of
the predictability.
The Jazz can get under the Lux tax with Boozer and Harp and still spend about 7 mill on new players. The Millsap contract hurts very little if they do that. They have the "investment" of the bonus, but the bonus is pro rated over the life of the contract or cap purposes. It has little effect on cap.
I doubt if they can get a contender this year by spending 7 million on players. However, with some astute management they may be able to revamp the team in the this year and next.
Brewer will need to be signed in the future. Korver wants to resign. The Jazz need the PF of the future. They need a SG/SF who can shoot and defend. They need to get better defense.
They can use the 7 mill and the Korver contract to rework this year. Or they can get young promising cheap players and keep trying.
The Jazz can get under the Lux tax with Boozer and Harp and still spend about 7 mill on new players. The Millsap contract hurts very little if they do that. They have the "investment" of the bonus, but the bonus is pro rated over the life of the contract or cap purposes. It has little effect on cap.
I doubt if they can get a contender this year by spending 7 million on players. However, with some astute management they may be able to revamp the team in the this year and next.
Brewer will need to be signed in the future. Korver wants to resign. The Jazz need the PF of the future. They need a SG/SF who can shoot and defend. They need to get better defense.
They can use the 7 mill and the Korver contract to rework this year. Or they can get young promising cheap players and keep trying.
RE: john wicks | 9:01 a.m. July 17, 2009
REALLY?????????
Hurts | 9:05 a.m. July 17, 2009
The Millsap signing hurts utah because the Jazz will predictably
"sing" the devious "continuity" lie. Sloan will insist on
starting Millsap for 4 years. He will get better but never get great enough to
win a championship without major moves at other positions.
The Jazz will "refuse" as usual to go get the talent at PF or other positions to get a championship. With the player salaries dropping the Jazz are fully capable of getting the talent. It is not a money issue. It is the lie of "continuity" that will hold the Jazz back.
Since the Jazz home revenues hold up well, they do not act like a small market team financially. In a cheap labor market they can compete better than other small market teams.
If the Jazz would seize the right deal for the right PF, and get the defenders and outside shooters to put flexibility into the offense, over 2 years there would be hope.
Instead, what they will do is make as few changes as possible.
The problem is the Sloan Philosophies. They make the playoffs but prevent going deep. Sloan is so predictable teams can GAME his rotations and player salaries (POR).
The Jazz will "refuse" as usual to go get the talent at PF or other positions to get a championship. With the player salaries dropping the Jazz are fully capable of getting the talent. It is not a money issue. It is the lie of "continuity" that will hold the Jazz back.
Since the Jazz home revenues hold up well, they do not act like a small market team financially. In a cheap labor market they can compete better than other small market teams.
If the Jazz would seize the right deal for the right PF, and get the defenders and outside shooters to put flexibility into the offense, over 2 years there would be hope.
Instead, what they will do is make as few changes as possible.
The problem is the Sloan Philosophies. They make the playoffs but prevent going deep. Sloan is so predictable teams can GAME his rotations and player salaries (POR).
Tommyk | 9:07 a.m. July 17, 2009
I don't know why people are still happy with this news? So what we decide
to sign Millsap? we had him last year and we still didn't go nowhere in the
playoffs? we have the same squad from last year, but are now paying more money
for them LOL we still need a trade regardless if it was for boozer or Millsap?
either must go
Great!!! | 9:35 a.m. July 17, 2009
Now, just think about this:
Make Milsap the starter and Booz the back-up.
Do this and the starting five can hold up to just about anyone, but we make our runs when the bench comes in.
If you bring Boozer of the bench with AK, no one can beat that second team from the bench. This is where leads are built and games are won these days.
Make Milsap the starter and Booz the back-up.
Do this and the starting five can hold up to just about anyone, but we make our runs when the bench comes in.
If you bring Boozer of the bench with AK, no one can beat that second team from the bench. This is where leads are built and games are won these days.
Miles | 9:35 a.m. July 17, 2009
Boozer, meanwhile, decided not to opt out this season, wanting to collect the
money he could in a limited buyer's market, supposedly in pursuit of the
big money available next year in the Free Agency Summer of Doom 2010. But Boozer
isn't even in the top two tiers of next year's class, and after his
history of injuries, his lack of physical play, and the ugliness surrounding his
situation in Utah, you have to wonder who's going to come calling the Jazz
as quoted from another site.
snake | 9:44 a.m. July 17, 2009
The net production numbers are deceptive. The Jazz defensive problems start with
Boozer. Not only can he not defend anyone, he actually sets screens on DWill on
every pick and roll, creating open shots for the other point guard.
Boozer's cluelessness on defense often results in someone else's man
scoring, not necessarily his own.
AK is definitely overpaid. Koufus will be a nice surprise. Good shooting touch and a decent defender. Millsap will earn his salary. Brewer keeps improving. Price will win games on hustle. It's infectious. Knight was ineffective. Jazz will be about a #7 team this year, unless injuries take a few teams out of contention.
You fans who want a blockbuster trade for Boozer will be disappointed. Not going to happen. Just be glad if we can get rid of the Mercenary and his bloated salary.
AK is definitely overpaid. Koufus will be a nice surprise. Good shooting touch and a decent defender. Millsap will earn his salary. Brewer keeps improving. Price will win games on hustle. It's infectious. Knight was ineffective. Jazz will be about a #7 team this year, unless injuries take a few teams out of contention.
You fans who want a blockbuster trade for Boozer will be disappointed. Not going to happen. Just be glad if we can get rid of the Mercenary and his bloated salary.
Why | 9:45 a.m. July 17, 2009
would the Jazz consider doing anything with Portland. Do you want to make a
division rival better? I would say, whatever Jazz get for Boozer, don't
let Portland get anything in the deal.
Fan Favorite | 9:49 a.m. July 17, 2009
Ben Wallace has never contributed much to anybody after leaving the Pistons but
he was huge in Detroit because he worked so hard and won "fan
favorite" status. He is not much bigger than Millsap, had much worse
offense, and played center-- not power forward.
Despite popular belief, heart does matter in basketball.
Despite popular belief, heart does matter in basketball.
Consistently | 9:55 a.m. July 17, 2009
LA has consistently out spent the Jazz. SA has consistently out managed the
Jazz. Those are the two arch rivals.
The Jazz can wait for the curse of Artest to implode LA. Everywhere he goes the team blow up (often it is not his fault).
SA is a different matter. The problem lies with Utah. They are not proactive. They are slow and reactive to both changes in the environment and competitor moves. They are a sitting duck.
They knew there were going to lose Boozer and have to pay Millsap. They could and should have moved up in the second round for cheap insurance and got Blair. He is better than Millsap. Even if he gets hurt his presence on the roster would have brought the price of Millsap down.
SA only pays the max for Duncan. It takes a whole team to win. However, SA gets great role players for cheap. SA is not a better NBA city than SL both are small market. However, their management philosophies are very different. They consistently change for the better. If it is not working it gets changed.
Players want to go to SA because they are a winner.
The Jazz can wait for the curse of Artest to implode LA. Everywhere he goes the team blow up (often it is not his fault).
SA is a different matter. The problem lies with Utah. They are not proactive. They are slow and reactive to both changes in the environment and competitor moves. They are a sitting duck.
They knew there were going to lose Boozer and have to pay Millsap. They could and should have moved up in the second round for cheap insurance and got Blair. He is better than Millsap. Even if he gets hurt his presence on the roster would have brought the price of Millsap down.
SA only pays the max for Duncan. It takes a whole team to win. However, SA gets great role players for cheap. SA is not a better NBA city than SL both are small market. However, their management philosophies are very different. They consistently change for the better. If it is not working it gets changed.
Players want to go to SA because they are a winner.
B-Man | 9:56 a.m. July 17, 2009
No way millsap is worth this kind of money we should have just let Portland take
him. We better get someone good for Booz.
Anonymous | 10:04 a.m. July 17, 2009
RE: Too Bad!!
YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD...THE JAZZ HAVE NOW STRAPPED THEMSELVES FOR YEARS AND GUARANTEED MEDIOCRE SEASONS. 6 - 8 SEED IN THE WEST AT BEST...
THE JAZZ SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR LUMPS THIS YEAR AND RESTOCK NEXT SUMMER...NY'S PICK AND THEIR OWN..PLUS FREE AGENTS...
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER.....IT WAS WHEN WE HAD A BAD SEASON AND THEN GOT DWILL IN THE DRAFT.
YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD...THE JAZZ HAVE NOW STRAPPED THEMSELVES FOR YEARS AND GUARANTEED MEDIOCRE SEASONS. 6 - 8 SEED IN THE WEST AT BEST...
THE JAZZ SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR LUMPS THIS YEAR AND RESTOCK NEXT SUMMER...NY'S PICK AND THEIR OWN..PLUS FREE AGENTS...
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE GOT A GREAT PLAYER.....IT WAS WHEN WE HAD A BAD SEASON AND THEN GOT DWILL IN THE DRAFT.
SA | 10:10 a.m. July 17, 2009
Players know if they do not produce at SA they will be gone in a year or less.
They do their best. SA has a winning culture.
Utah is a rest home for Vets. The management is soft. All you have to do is work and not tick off Sloan. You don't have to play defense. You just have to put in your time and make the playoffs. As one writer at the Trib said, Millsap now has "tenure". Utah does not have a winning culture, they have a working culture. It is a job not a mission.
Utah is a loser and always will be a loser until the management philosophies are changed. Duncan will go but the philosophies will stay. SA will rise again after Duncan. They will find a way to beat Utah.
Utah is so predictable in every thing that they do that other teams can GAME much of their on court and management behavior. POR knew they could "force" Utah to pay. I am sure they enjoyed the game. Like Microsoft messing with a rival.
Utah is acted upon. Other teams act and create their future.
Opportunity knocks, Utah runs away.
Utah is a rest home for Vets. The management is soft. All you have to do is work and not tick off Sloan. You don't have to play defense. You just have to put in your time and make the playoffs. As one writer at the Trib said, Millsap now has "tenure". Utah does not have a winning culture, they have a working culture. It is a job not a mission.
Utah is a loser and always will be a loser until the management philosophies are changed. Duncan will go but the philosophies will stay. SA will rise again after Duncan. They will find a way to beat Utah.
Utah is so predictable in every thing that they do that other teams can GAME much of their on court and management behavior. POR knew they could "force" Utah to pay. I am sure they enjoyed the game. Like Microsoft messing with a rival.
Utah is acted upon. Other teams act and create their future.
Opportunity knocks, Utah runs away.
Sneaky Jimmy | 10:13 a.m. July 17, 2009
Glad I'm being educated. So these days the starting 5 try to not get too
far behind and the bench comes in and wins games for you? Is that how LA, Boston
and Cleavland do it? Must be.
PORs Game | 10:30 a.m. July 17, 2009
POR counted on Utah matching Millsap's offer. They really did not need
Millsap. They need a PG and they know they can get exactly who they want by
being patient.
They also knew they could get Utah to pay extra for Millsap. So why not?
However, the real pay off for them comes in the next 4 years. They know that Utah is so predictable that after Utah pays the sunk bonus costs that Utah will insist on starting Millsap for 4 years. They have limited a rival by using the predictable personality weakness of the rival.
This is a priceless move by POR. Utah can be GAMED into constant mediocrity. It cost POR nothing to insure that they are seeded above Utah for 4 years.
How does it feel to be had? Utah is only a loser because they insist on doing things that lose. Then they delude themselves into doing again and again claiming that next year will be better.
Without Boozer and without making upgrades in talent the Jazz are weaker and will stay weaker. They will continue to cost more. Brewer will need more money. Korver will get resigned.
Who will mug them next?
They also knew they could get Utah to pay extra for Millsap. So why not?
However, the real pay off for them comes in the next 4 years. They know that Utah is so predictable that after Utah pays the sunk bonus costs that Utah will insist on starting Millsap for 4 years. They have limited a rival by using the predictable personality weakness of the rival.
This is a priceless move by POR. Utah can be GAMED into constant mediocrity. It cost POR nothing to insure that they are seeded above Utah for 4 years.
How does it feel to be had? Utah is only a loser because they insist on doing things that lose. Then they delude themselves into doing again and again claiming that next year will be better.
Without Boozer and without making upgrades in talent the Jazz are weaker and will stay weaker. They will continue to cost more. Brewer will need more money. Korver will get resigned.
Who will mug them next?
Hypocryte fans | 10:31 a.m. July 17, 2009
I can't believe all the nonsense I'm reading here! For so long it
seems like the majority of fans (myself included) have always preferred Millsap
over Loozer (cough...I mean Boozer) and have begged for the front office to keep
Paul and trade Carlos. Now that this seems to likely be happening soon, you
blast Millsap and the front office? SHAME ON YOU!! You people are worse than the
bandwaggoning, botox injected Laker fans in so-cal.
Re: Hypocryte fans | 10:43 a.m. July 17, 2009
You are so right. I can't believe how fast these pansies spin on a dime.
Paul's not championship material? Anybody ever consider how he is still
improving and will do so for at least three more years? His upper end potential
is 21 and 12. That's better than Boozer ever did and he is a better
defender. You people need to smoke less crack. GOOD JOB JAZZ!! GOOD JOB MILLY ON
WORKING HARD AND MAKING SOME DOUGH!!
From Wyoming | 10:46 a.m. July 17, 2009
Why don't you Utah fans find a reason to complain about everything? You
just can't be satisfied can you. You say "No were never gonna win a
championship with Milsap!" But we never won a championship with Malone and
Stockton. Why don't you hate and complain about them? I don't get
it? You think Milsap is a waste of money but give me ONE SINGLE PLAYER who we
could sign for that kind of money? Especially one of Milsaps caliber. You
forget Milsaps numbers dropped from having what 19 straight double doubles,
playing well and getting benched for Boozer. How is he not worth that money?
Are the days of Malone and Boozer so stuck in your head that you feel we need an
All-Star PF to be good? No we still have Deron,(UNTIL YOU COMPLAINING FANS
SCARE HIM OFF), Brewer, AK, Okur, Korver, Harp.(who you fans want gone for some
reason). This is the same team that won 12 straight. Give this team a chance.
Grow up and stop complaining about every single thing KOC does. If you
don't like it, go root for someone else. Easy as that.
Haters | 11:16 a.m. July 17, 2009
This is a GOOD thing. Why must certain Jazz fans complain about everything? He
is worth the money. Let him prove himself at least before you judge him. I am
really surprised that Kevin O'Conner did this, but I was hoping it would
happen. I am excited to laugh in all the haters faces when he gets even more
than 19 straight double double's WITHOUT being injured 1/3 of the time.
Welcome Back, MILLSAP!!!
Welcome Back, MILLSAP!!!
re: Wyoming | 11:16 a.m. July 17, 2009
Thank you. Very well said!
STEVE-O | 11:42 a.m. July 17, 2009
I think about the Jazz roster and they will be just fine.
PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, Eric Maynor
SG: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver
SF: AK, CJ Miles, Harpring (maybe)
PF: Paul Millsap, ????? (maybe Boozer still)
C: Memo Okur, Kosta Koufus, Fez
The Jazz are certainly not as deep that's for sure. This will force players to get some time though. We'll see once and for all if Fez or Koufus have what it takes. Maybe we'll get a bird-man-like performance out of Koufus. Last year he didn't get a legit shot... and this year Sloan will be forced to at least try it out. I'm excited to see what this team can do. The starting line-up will be just as good as any team. The bench play will probably determine how for they can go.
PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, Eric Maynor
SG: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver
SF: AK, CJ Miles, Harpring (maybe)
PF: Paul Millsap, ????? (maybe Boozer still)
C: Memo Okur, Kosta Koufus, Fez
The Jazz are certainly not as deep that's for sure. This will force players to get some time though. We'll see once and for all if Fez or Koufus have what it takes. Maybe we'll get a bird-man-like performance out of Koufus. Last year he didn't get a legit shot... and this year Sloan will be forced to at least try it out. I'm excited to see what this team can do. The starting line-up will be just as good as any team. The bench play will probably determine how for they can go.
Brian | 11:47 a.m. July 17, 2009
SH@: You expect the Blazers to make a trade for Boozer now?
I'm not sure if you are ignorant or just confused. The Blazers already have LaMarcus Aldridge as a starting power forward. They are not interested in Carlos Boozer, who would need to be a starter. Neither of those guys can start at the 3 or the 5.
Portland wanted Millsap as a backup to Aldridge and a guy who can play a little at the 3 and 4, not as a starter.
If you meant that the Blazers would try to take advantage of a three way trade involving Boozer to bring a small forward or point guard to Portland, then yes, that's a possibility. But the Blazers are not in the Boozer market.
I'm not sure if you are ignorant or just confused. The Blazers already have LaMarcus Aldridge as a starting power forward. They are not interested in Carlos Boozer, who would need to be a starter. Neither of those guys can start at the 3 or the 5.
Portland wanted Millsap as a backup to Aldridge and a guy who can play a little at the 3 and 4, not as a starter.
If you meant that the Blazers would try to take advantage of a three way trade involving Boozer to bring a small forward or point guard to Portland, then yes, that's a possibility. But the Blazers are not in the Boozer market.
OrlandoJazzFan | 12:01 p.m. July 17, 2009
Bottomline - D-Will and Sloan wanted Paul back so Paul is Back. And Millsap
will continue to improve and improve. Now get Rip Hamilton to offset the loss
in scoring!!! Booz and Harp offset the salary and help us with the cap problems
STEVE-O | 12:22 p.m. July 17, 2009
I know Harpring talked about the possibility of retirement. I'd be willing
to bet he'll be back for next season and THEN hang it up. Everybody just
took what he said and ran with it big time.
STEVE-O | 12:27 p.m. July 17, 2009
People that say: "Millsap is really costing the Jazz $42 million because of
the luxury tax".... are dumb. Millsap's contract is not the only
reason the Jazz are in the tax. Williams has a new deal, Ak costs a pretty
penny, and even the players only making 1-2 million are part of the luxury tax
issue. So give it a rest.
Plus the Jazz are gonna get rid of Boozer and/or other players to reduce the tax they pay.
Plus the Jazz are gonna get rid of Boozer and/or other players to reduce the tax they pay.
To the Ostriches | 12:27 p.m. July 17, 2009
above. Millsap's contract is irritating. The Jazz got Punked by POR.
Millsap is a "good" player. With good management he could have cost 1-2 million less.
The complaining about both Boozer and Millsap is about the Jazz management. They refuse to be aggressive. They refuse to control their own destiny.
They are passive and get acted upon, while they pretend all is well. They are consistent also rans by their own choosing. Then they come up with some lame excuse like "small market" or injuries. Those are problems winners work around and plan for. Winners preempt problems or at least fix them quickly.
It is obvious to some of us that Jazz management is similar to GM management. They continue to do the same mistakes over and over while telling themselves what great managers they are.
The Jazz are weaker and cost more than last year. Is that better? The NBA is changing rapidly. That creates opportunities. Expiring contracts are great opportunities. What will the Jazz do? Get weaker and cost more in the name of continuity. All the while congratulating themselves on what great managers they are. 1/2 of the fans will drink the delusion.
Millsap is a "good" player. With good management he could have cost 1-2 million less.
The complaining about both Boozer and Millsap is about the Jazz management. They refuse to be aggressive. They refuse to control their own destiny.
They are passive and get acted upon, while they pretend all is well. They are consistent also rans by their own choosing. Then they come up with some lame excuse like "small market" or injuries. Those are problems winners work around and plan for. Winners preempt problems or at least fix them quickly.
It is obvious to some of us that Jazz management is similar to GM management. They continue to do the same mistakes over and over while telling themselves what great managers they are.
The Jazz are weaker and cost more than last year. Is that better? The NBA is changing rapidly. That creates opportunities. Expiring contracts are great opportunities. What will the Jazz do? Get weaker and cost more in the name of continuity. All the while congratulating themselves on what great managers they are. 1/2 of the fans will drink the delusion.
STEVE-O | 12:50 p.m. July 17, 2009
I just want to say that Dejuan Blair got 20 pts & 15 Rebounds for San
Antonio in the summer league last night!!! We got Eric Maynor. Last I checked
he didn't play all that well in our summer league. I think the Jazz
passing on Blair will be a mistake similar to taking Curtis Borchart over Carlos
Boozer a few years back. Sad for the Jazz!
Millsap will fade away | 12:54 p.m. July 17, 2009
This contract will be a regretfull by the Jazz. Millsap is not a starter, he is
a back up like Malik Rose.
Additionally, it looks like he wanted to REALLY play in Portland and not in Utah. Now that he is forced to remain in Utah, watch for a drop in performance.
Jerry Sloan is ruining this franchise. This guy is a scrub's coach and will never win a championship with his retrograde philosophy and coaching.
First round elimination is around the corner, see you in a fishing trip with Barkley, Kenny the Jet Smith and Ernie in April 2010 .
Additionally, it looks like he wanted to REALLY play in Portland and not in Utah. Now that he is forced to remain in Utah, watch for a drop in performance.
Jerry Sloan is ruining this franchise. This guy is a scrub's coach and will never win a championship with his retrograde philosophy and coaching.
First round elimination is around the corner, see you in a fishing trip with Barkley, Kenny the Jet Smith and Ernie in April 2010 .
STEVE-O | 1:00 p.m. July 17, 2009
Malik Rose never got 19 double-doubles in a row. Malike Rose also had ZERO
offense. Don't compare Millsap to a clown.
Re Re. I'm Satisfied @ 5:49. | 1:27 p.m. July 17, 2009
Milsap can't "support his family" on $750K a year?!! Gimme a
break. I could support, like, 5 -7 families on that!
Brandon
Brandon
I know I'm slow - but | 1:28 p.m. July 17, 2009
Did Millsap agree to stay with the Jazz? From what his "agents" said
- he's rather be in Portland anyway and I get all of the Jazz matched thing
- but does that also mean Paul said yes?
As Greedy as Millsap's | 2:37 p.m. July 17, 2009
family. He needs the extra coin.
Millsap will be a good player. He has limitations that will prevent the Jazz from beating LA, and SA. He will do well against lesser teams.
The problem is that Jazz management, Sloan, KOC and whoever else makes the player decisions will not fix the bad defense, the road losses and the back to back problems. They insist on claiming it is good enough and one more year of the same will be magic pixie dust.
How many years have the Jazz Fan's drunk the continuity kool aid?
The Jazz are now weaker at PF. Boozer was not good enough and Millsap is weaker.
I don't care about the lux tax at this point. You have to spend if you want a ring.
The Jazz need to upgrade another position to offset the loss of Boozer. Millsap can rebound and Koufos will get some time. But the points have to be replaced.
Price will lose games as the back up PG. That is continuity over quality.
Will CJ become magic? Korver? Brewer? AK?
Where is the Boozer scoring coming from? the team defense? Depth on the road? Back to back?
Continuity.
Millsap will be a good player. He has limitations that will prevent the Jazz from beating LA, and SA. He will do well against lesser teams.
The problem is that Jazz management, Sloan, KOC and whoever else makes the player decisions will not fix the bad defense, the road losses and the back to back problems. They insist on claiming it is good enough and one more year of the same will be magic pixie dust.
How many years have the Jazz Fan's drunk the continuity kool aid?
The Jazz are now weaker at PF. Boozer was not good enough and Millsap is weaker.
I don't care about the lux tax at this point. You have to spend if you want a ring.
The Jazz need to upgrade another position to offset the loss of Boozer. Millsap can rebound and Koufos will get some time. But the points have to be replaced.
Price will lose games as the back up PG. That is continuity over quality.
Will CJ become magic? Korver? Brewer? AK?
Where is the Boozer scoring coming from? the team defense? Depth on the road? Back to back?
Continuity.
RE:I know I'm slow - but | 2:50 p.m. July 17, 2009
Millsap was a "restricted" free agent which means that he is free to
sign any contract he wants (free agent) but the Jazz have the right to match
(restricted) any offer that he signs.
It's similar to the "player option" that Boozer exercised when he "opted in". It didn't matter that the Jazz don't want him because it was his option. In this case, after Millsap signed, it's the Jazz option. So it doesn't matter what Millsap wants at this point. If the Jazz match the offer, they have him.
It's similar to the "player option" that Boozer exercised when he "opted in". It didn't matter that the Jazz don't want him because it was his option. In this case, after Millsap signed, it's the Jazz option. So it doesn't matter what Millsap wants at this point. If the Jazz match the offer, they have him.
Miles | 2:52 p.m. July 17, 2009
@Steve-O: I went to the summer league games in Vegas. The players are horrible
outside of Blake. Blair getting a bunch of rebounds is not surprising. The
problem with Blair is will he hold up?
CJ is looking pretty cheap right now!!
It is not that the Jazz fans don't like Millsap. It's just that by keeping him, we are a bottom team in the playoffs. Should have let him walk and Boozer walk and spent the money elsewhere.
Price is not a PG.
Maynor will be useless next year.
Boozer will be traded for nothing in return expect expensive contracts.
Sorry I am failing to see how we are better. I guess CJ will have to carry the team next year.
CJ is looking pretty cheap right now!!
It is not that the Jazz fans don't like Millsap. It's just that by keeping him, we are a bottom team in the playoffs. Should have let him walk and Boozer walk and spent the money elsewhere.
Price is not a PG.
Maynor will be useless next year.
Boozer will be traded for nothing in return expect expensive contracts.
Sorry I am failing to see how we are better. I guess CJ will have to carry the team next year.
Change | 3:07 p.m. July 17, 2009
Millsap is replacing Boozer. Koufos is replacing Millsap and Fez is replacing
Collins.
On balance that may not be as bad as it could be. A lot depends on how well Koufos plays. Losing Collins is a slight positive.
I figure the Jazz need an extra 5 to 7 points from the SG/SF position to replace reduced points from the PF. However, Okur and the C position may provide a couple of those extra points.
A good PF replacement would give Koufos more time at C. He plays that better than PF.
Renting Gooden for a year may be a good move.
Getting any decent young PF would help in case of injuries. There are always injuries.
The Jazz can be a playoff team like last year. I am not sure where they get someone better than Boozer for PF in the long run. Lee looks like a good candidate but the draft may be the answer.
On balance that may not be as bad as it could be. A lot depends on how well Koufos plays. Losing Collins is a slight positive.
I figure the Jazz need an extra 5 to 7 points from the SG/SF position to replace reduced points from the PF. However, Okur and the C position may provide a couple of those extra points.
A good PF replacement would give Koufos more time at C. He plays that better than PF.
Renting Gooden for a year may be a good move.
Getting any decent young PF would help in case of injuries. There are always injuries.
The Jazz can be a playoff team like last year. I am not sure where they get someone better than Boozer for PF in the long run. Lee looks like a good candidate but the draft may be the answer.
RE: HYPOCRYTE FANS / WYOMING | 3:59 p.m. July 17, 2009
KEEPING MILSAP OVER BOOZER IS THE LESSER OF THE 2 EVILS...I THINK JAZZ FANS
WANTED PAUL TO PLAY BUT I DOUBT ALOT OF THEM THOUGHT AND OR THINK HE WAS / IS
THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. HE HAS LIMITED OFFENSIVE SKILLS AND SAYING
HE'S BETTER THAN BOOZER DEFENSIVELY IS NOT SAYING MUCH...AND HE'S
SMALL...THE JAZZ GOT DESTROYED BY THE LAKERS SIZE....
AND BY THE WAY I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE NBA TEAMS KNOCKING DOWN MILSAP'S DOOR AND THROWING CONTRACTS OFFERS AT HIM...HE'S A SECOND ROUNDER THAT TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH BETTER THAN ANTICIPATED...BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY...
AND TO WYOMING...DON'T COMPARE MILSAP TO MALONE STOCKTON....THEY GOT US TO BACK TO BACK FINALS...ONLY THE GREAT JORDAN STOPPED THEM FROM BEING CHAMPIONS SO DON'T BE REDICULOUS....
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT ... PEOPLE LIKE MILSAP...BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HIM BEING THE FORCE THEY NEED...
AND BY THE WAY I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE NBA TEAMS KNOCKING DOWN MILSAP'S DOOR AND THROWING CONTRACTS OFFERS AT HIM...HE'S A SECOND ROUNDER THAT TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH BETTER THAN ANTICIPATED...BUT LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY...
AND TO WYOMING...DON'T COMPARE MILSAP TO MALONE STOCKTON....THEY GOT US TO BACK TO BACK FINALS...ONLY THE GREAT JORDAN STOPPED THEM FROM BEING CHAMPIONS SO DON'T BE REDICULOUS....
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT ... PEOPLE LIKE MILSAP...BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HIM BEING THE FORCE THEY NEED...
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