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Utah Jazz match Portland offer to Millsap
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SRq | 5:07 p.m. July 16, 2009
Nice. Now if we can just get rid of The Mercenary.
badbadbad | 5:09 p.m. July 16, 2009
The Jazz have way over paid. This deal will keep the team down for four years,
just like AK's deal is right now.
Dear Kevin | 5:10 p.m. July 16, 2009
You are crazy. We better hear about a trade with the Blazer by tomorrow.
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wow | 5:10 p.m. July 16, 2009
not too bright
Chris | 5:10 p.m. July 16, 2009
Great news. and good bye Boozer if not this year then next summer
Chadders | 5:11 p.m. July 16, 2009
I don't know what to think about this. If I think about how happy it makes
Dwill then I like it. If I think about the salary cap this year then I
don't.
Well | 5:12 p.m. July 16, 2009
if Boozer and Millsap come back, and we stay healthy, this may be the best move
value-wise.
Anonymous | 5:12 p.m. July 16, 2009
He's not worth it! He is a $6 million a year player....not an $8 or $9
million a year player! The Jazz are destroying their future.
The Millman | 5:14 p.m. July 16, 2009
Better deal than the one Cleveland gave Varejo and much better than Varejo. Wait
till the guy is getting quality minutes and has a decent backup. Depending on
who they can bring in you could actually bring AK off the bench at the four that
is considering we could get a two guard and move R Brewer to three.
Sh@ | 5:14 p.m. July 16, 2009
I expect Portland to work a trade for Boozer now...
Shaybo | 5:15 p.m. July 16, 2009
Great, the Jazz are showing they are satisfied with the status quo or less and
are willing to spend a ton of money to do it. They will never beat the elite
teams in the west with this team. Let's top it off by taking the moronic
Miami trade for Boozer to make up some of that money. I'm done commenting
except to say I told you so.
STEVE-O | 5:22 p.m. July 16, 2009
Like I've said... the Jazz would be stupid not to match this. The contract
looks scary because it's frontloaded, but the last three years are not bad
at all. Good move by the Jazz.
Ryan | 5:23 p.m. July 16, 2009
I like the deal better than sending Milsap to Portland and keeping Boozer for 1
year. I just hope the Jazz can get a decent trade for Boozer.
Wow! | 5:24 p.m. July 16, 2009
Millsap's contract is definitely better than the one Boozer signed 4 years
ago
KOC is an idiot! | 5:25 p.m. July 16, 2009
Wow, just when I thought Jazz management couldn't be any stupider....
Then again, why am I surprised? This is the same front office that is actually (according to the rumor) considering trading Boozer for Haslem. There has got to be something I am not aware of, or else it is true that the people running the Jazz are in fact the dumbest people on earth. I think it's about time I find a new team....Spurs?
Then again, why am I surprised? This is the same front office that is actually (according to the rumor) considering trading Boozer for Haslem. There has got to be something I am not aware of, or else it is true that the people running the Jazz are in fact the dumbest people on earth. I think it's about time I find a new team....Spurs?
Deron Williams | 5:25 p.m. July 16, 2009
wants him back. I doubt we know more than D-Will about this kind of stuff.
Cowboy Joe | 5:26 p.m. July 16, 2009
First off Millsap will be a value after his first year with a salary in the 6 to
7 million. Secondly DWill wants Millsap to stay so it had to be done, and
thirdly why do the fans care about the luxury tax and salary tax? It's not
like we have to pay the bill. I just hope that the Jazz are patient and get the
right offer for Boozer. THe Miami one is a horrible trade for the Jazz. They
need to get equal or close to it. If they have to bring back Boozer because no
good trades than do it. Boozer will have a monster year because he wants a big
contract and raise. Let him have that monster year in Utah and The Jazz can be
the Mercenaries instead of BOozer for once,
@Shaybo | 5:28 p.m. July 16, 2009
You can't say "I told you so." The summer isn't even over,
yet.
K-Dog | 5:29 p.m. July 16, 2009
$10M for a backup. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid!
Great! I'm Satisfied | 5:31 p.m. July 16, 2009
Paul really is getting just under 7mil for the four years. Look at it like this,
he has contributed a bunch to our success the past 2 years making only 3/4mil
each year and in comparison to the other players in this league that play 25
min per game that is peanuts. So in essence look at it like he got his bonus for
the last 2 years of quality play in this contract. Now he can support his family
that follows him here each year and (he is their bread winner) live like some of
the other lower tier players. This bonus of 5mil deducted from the 32mil makes
his contract 4 years for 27mil, which amounts to just under 7mil per season. I
like it and so should you fans.
Dave | 5:32 p.m. July 16, 2009
The Jazz now need to trade Boozer to Cleveland for LeBron, and if we could get
DWade from the Heat for AK and Fes we're going to be set. I really hope
KOC has a chance to work this out, it would be the greatest move ever by a GM.
Risky... | 5:37 p.m. July 16, 2009
...But you knew it was going to happen. Don't forget, D-Will was very clear
he wanted Millsap, even in public.
A year from now KOC will be the hero or the goat. At least he should be used to either role by now. Some great moves and some real stinkers over his career.
Only one real piece of drama left. Not sure they can keep our interest with Boozer trade rumors for 100+ days though.
A year from now KOC will be the hero or the goat. At least he should be used to either role by now. Some great moves and some real stinkers over his career.
Only one real piece of drama left. Not sure they can keep our interest with Boozer trade rumors for 100+ days though.
Re: STEVE-O | 5:41 p.m. July 16, 2009
Thank you for being one of the only voices of reason, Steve-O. This deal only
looks scary because it is frontloaded. The Jazz will take out a loan for it
that will get paid back over time, and end up paying a decent wage, even
reasonable, wage for his services. This is not a bad deal at all.
Everyone was singing a different tune when Millsap was putting fans in the seats and everyone was raving about his 20-10 propensity during the course of the season. The offseason starts and all of a sudden everyone is objective, even pessimistic. Boozer has a one way ticket out of town, and we will pay to see this team take the floor, so I'm thinking that there's little to complain about. Somehow, we as fans always find a way...
Everyone was singing a different tune when Millsap was putting fans in the seats and everyone was raving about his 20-10 propensity during the course of the season. The offseason starts and all of a sudden everyone is objective, even pessimistic. Boozer has a one way ticket out of town, and we will pay to see this team take the floor, so I'm thinking that there's little to complain about. Somehow, we as fans always find a way...
STEVE-O | 5:43 p.m. July 16, 2009
I think fans will be pleasantly surprised with Millsap's production next
year. I also hope AK gets some PF minutes with his new bulked up frame he
won't be pushed around quite as easily.
Considering what COULD have happened with this offseason I'm happy the way things have turned out.
Considering what COULD have happened with this offseason I'm happy the way things have turned out.
Christian Williams | 5:43 p.m. July 16, 2009
Milsap is a bargain at 8 mil/year. Too bad about the luxury tax tax issue.
Everybody forgets the Jazz are in this situation because they found such a great
player in the second round.
team USA | 5:46 p.m. July 16, 2009
don't forget Kosta Koufos to Toronto for Bosh. And Ronnie Brewer and CJ to
LA for Kobe. Then we'll have team USA. who needs subs?
Re: Dave | 5:48 p.m. July 16, 2009
Don't forget trading Okur and Korver for Dwight Howard.
I agree with Great I'm Satisfied. I don't like the idea of having to pay a huge luxury tax this season, but Milsap earned a $5-6M bonus over the last few seasons. And for the record he was actually making a minimum contract at about $700K per year. Milsap's value should be around 6-7 a year, which is what his contract is worth minus the bonus. As long as I think of the bonus as a late payment for the last 3 seasons I'm okay with it, otherwise this was not a good move.
Keep Boozer until the trade deadline and see if the team is contending before trading him. He and DWill are the only players we have that can actually create their own shot. Everyone else is either a job shooter or scores off backdoor cuts.
I agree with Great I'm Satisfied. I don't like the idea of having to pay a huge luxury tax this season, but Milsap earned a $5-6M bonus over the last few seasons. And for the record he was actually making a minimum contract at about $700K per year. Milsap's value should be around 6-7 a year, which is what his contract is worth minus the bonus. As long as I think of the bonus as a late payment for the last 3 seasons I'm okay with it, otherwise this was not a good move.
Keep Boozer until the trade deadline and see if the team is contending before trading him. He and DWill are the only players we have that can actually create their own shot. Everyone else is either a job shooter or scores off backdoor cuts.
Re: Great! I'm Satisfied | 5:49 p.m. July 16, 2009
Millsap wasn't making 3/4 mil each year. He only made about $890,000 last
year.
re: 5:25 pm post | 5:53 p.m. July 16, 2009
Yes - as a matter of fact you sound like the quintessential Suprs fan. Please
go. You'll fit right in with all the whiners down there.
Reality | 5:55 p.m. July 16, 2009
Here are the net production numbers for last year for the Jazz players. Net
prodution is points produced minus points allowed.
AK +8.6
DWill + 7.1
Brewer +4.3
Millsap +3.5
Koufos +2.8
Harp +2.0
Okur +0.2
Boozer -2.2
Knight -2.8
Miles -4.0
Korver -4.0
Almond -8.9
Fez -10.7
Price -11.3
Collins -20.8
This is only one metric but it is a good direct head to head indicator of contribution.
Millsap on balance is better than Boozer and cheaper. AK may not be over paid? Koufos is better than most think. Harp will be missed. Okur is a wash. We need an up grade at Korver/CJ. Knight was better than Price. Price will lose games this year. Collins was a disaster. Almond is not a loss.
Keeping Millsap is okay if we can get upgrades at back up SF and SG. Koufos will be better this year to help at C. We also need the strongest PF available to go with Millsap.
We are in the lux tax. Get the best team possible. If you are going to pay then contend.
Millsap will have to improve.
AK +8.6
DWill + 7.1
Brewer +4.3
Millsap +3.5
Koufos +2.8
Harp +2.0
Okur +0.2
Boozer -2.2
Knight -2.8
Miles -4.0
Korver -4.0
Almond -8.9
Fez -10.7
Price -11.3
Collins -20.8
This is only one metric but it is a good direct head to head indicator of contribution.
Millsap on balance is better than Boozer and cheaper. AK may not be over paid? Koufos is better than most think. Harp will be missed. Okur is a wash. We need an up grade at Korver/CJ. Knight was better than Price. Price will lose games this year. Collins was a disaster. Almond is not a loss.
Keeping Millsap is okay if we can get upgrades at back up SF and SG. Koufos will be better this year to help at C. We also need the strongest PF available to go with Millsap.
We are in the lux tax. Get the best team possible. If you are going to pay then contend.
Millsap will have to improve.
annonymous | 5:58 p.m. July 16, 2009
when will the announcement of a boozer trade happen
Jimbob | 6:00 p.m. July 16, 2009
great move by the Jazz. The contract is front loaded with that stupid signing
bonus. It starts at roughly 6.4 million, and once we get the signing bonus out
the way the contract is good value, I dont think it gets above 7 million, for
our future starting power forward (presuming Booz is outta here) thats very good
value.
Now on to trading Boozer. I dont wanna hear any more about trading him for rubbish and cash, these are all rumors from other teams. The only deal that has been reported that we offered was Boozer for Prince, which I think shows our intentions. That would have saved us money and improved the team. Hopefully KOC keeps that mindset and doesnt cave in to downgrading Booz just to save pocket money, unless it saves us 10mil plus I dont wanna hear it.
As for AK...do we really wanna be paying a 6th man over 16 million next season...does that really sound ethical?
Now on to trading Boozer. I dont wanna hear any more about trading him for rubbish and cash, these are all rumors from other teams. The only deal that has been reported that we offered was Boozer for Prince, which I think shows our intentions. That would have saved us money and improved the team. Hopefully KOC keeps that mindset and doesnt cave in to downgrading Booz just to save pocket money, unless it saves us 10mil plus I dont wanna hear it.
As for AK...do we really wanna be paying a 6th man over 16 million next season...does that really sound ethical?
Anonymous | 6:00 p.m. July 16, 2009
Another grossly overpaid professional sports player--let the moronic fan base
start worshiping another multi-millionaire now.
Miles | 6:02 p.m. July 16, 2009
This means that we will give Boozer away for nothing instead of making him play
out the year. Not a good sign for the future as Millsap can not carry the team
offensively or defensively. This does not make us better for the upcoming
season. Don't really like the move based on the money issues facing the
Jazz and the rest of the league. Still believe had we been patient, we could
have done better next year.
Re: Steve-O | 6:04 p.m. July 16, 2009
Bulked up my foot! Ak couldn't put on 5# if he had to and has said as much
on numerous occations. His weight simply doesn't vary from season to off
season.
I know the NBA is | 6:10 p.m. July 16, 2009
just a business/entertainment entity but what's up? All these prima donas
are overpaid. They all need to be paid $1...then the rest of the contract is
built around incentives...including actually playing for the money. Hey the
stock market is down over 40% still...including the rebound. Realistically
their should be a significant drop in entertainment dollars....look at the movie
box office.....etc., etc., etc. Come on David Stern...get your act together and
spearhead a new player agreement and get this NBA bact to reality. Look around
at the arenas and see all the empty seats masquerading as fans. The Portland
Tailchasers/Blazers is a joke attempting to shaft/extort the Jazz with a crapola
contract proposal like they did. The Jazz owe them a season sweep to punish
them for their outrageous behavior. Let Carlos go to the Heat and his salary
off the table. Bye, bye Mr. Boozer....also known as the Cleveland Snake.
Millsap is not the PF of the | 6:12 p.m. July 16, 2009
future. The big problem is not Millsap. It is Sloan. He will start Millsap for 4
years. The Jazz need a better PF for a starter. Millsap is probably over paid
about 1 to 2 Million a year. That is not a big problem if the Jazz will spend to
upgrade the back up PF, SF and SG positions. If Millsap prevents the Jazz from
up grading the team then this is a mistake.
If you look around there were not many PFs better than Millsap that the Jazz could get right now. Lee might be better but he is more money.
Millsap will improve. Koufos will be better. However, with Millsap at PF the Jazz have to have more scoring and D from Korver/CJ and from the SG position. They have to have a very good back up PF.
If the Jazz will upgrade they might contend. Sloan's rigid rotations, lack of D, bad road performance and poor outside shooting are still problems.
Get some defense and shooting. Hope Millsap and Koufos come thru.
The Jazz have to decide if they are contenders or pretenders. Contenders spend and fix thier problems. So far the Jazz spend.
If you look around there were not many PFs better than Millsap that the Jazz could get right now. Lee might be better but he is more money.
Millsap will improve. Koufos will be better. However, with Millsap at PF the Jazz have to have more scoring and D from Korver/CJ and from the SG position. They have to have a very good back up PF.
If the Jazz will upgrade they might contend. Sloan's rigid rotations, lack of D, bad road performance and poor outside shooting are still problems.
Get some defense and shooting. Hope Millsap and Koufos come thru.
The Jazz have to decide if they are contenders or pretenders. Contenders spend and fix thier problems. So far the Jazz spend.
keep Millsap | 6:12 p.m. July 16, 2009
the Jazz will keep Millsap, then trade Boozer, at last the team can move on
forward, and not backward, can't wait to see them opening the new season
with new guys coming, I'm excited for them
ed in az | 6:16 p.m. July 16, 2009
OK...KOC... Now find us a trade that doesn't net us Udonis ! Good job... I
hope !
Re Re. I'm Satisfied @ 5:49. | 6:25 p.m. July 16, 2009
Where I went to school 3/4 mil is $750,000 maybe you was taught differently.
Anyway it's not that important but I think most got the message.
annonymous | 6:26 p.m. July 16, 2009
what is the latest on the boozer trade front
Please no Haslem! | 6:29 p.m. July 16, 2009
For the love of the Jazz and everything like them that is holy, please
don't trade with Miami for Udonis Haslem. Who wants an offensive stiff at
the most important scoring position in Sloan's offense? Why would you shoot
yourself in the foot like that? Please find a shooter to open things up for
Millsap and help him become the focus of the offense.
Sloanfan | 6:32 p.m. July 16, 2009
Just better hope Sloan puts down the bottle long enough to come up with a better
plan than throwing the ball to the PF 30+ times. There's a real
possibility that we'll see Millsap turn into a low 20&10 guy while the
rest of the team rots watching Deron & Paul play 2 on 5.
Also, please compare the projected starting lineup of the Jazz next season (minus Boozer) to the best teams in the West. You'll find they are about #8. Jazz are playing it safe, now it's time to spin things and string the fans along for yet another mediocre season. Let's pull our socks and undersized shorts up - a new Jazz season is on the way!
Also, please compare the projected starting lineup of the Jazz next season (minus Boozer) to the best teams in the West. You'll find they are about #8. Jazz are playing it safe, now it's time to spin things and string the fans along for yet another mediocre season. Let's pull our socks and undersized shorts up - a new Jazz season is on the way!
Gracefl | 6:33 p.m. July 16, 2009
Best news I've had in days. Paul earns his keep!
Net PER per position | 6:41 p.m. July 16, 2009
PER is a single number rating developed by Hollinger. The Jazz PER numbers for
each positions are:
PG 1.6
SG -0.6
SF 1.6
PF 3.6
C 0.4
Total PER = 6.6
Compared with LA
PG -0.1
SG 8.6
SF 0.9
PF -0.1
C 3.7
Total PER = 12.1
The Jazz need improvement at SG, C and back up PG. Back up SF would also help. They will need the best PF and back PG they can get as those 2 positions are most important. They need better team D.
In the triangle PG is not very important. Kobe and Gasol carry the team. No surprise.
The Jazz have a long way to go in total PER if they want a championship.
The Magic PER was 7.5. BOS was 19.7 (with Garnett). DEN was 9.7. DAL was 7.9
This number is probably better at indicating which positions are weakest and strongest for each team. However, total PER by team is an interesting idea.
PG 1.6
SG -0.6
SF 1.6
PF 3.6
C 0.4
Total PER = 6.6
Compared with LA
PG -0.1
SG 8.6
SF 0.9
PF -0.1
C 3.7
Total PER = 12.1
The Jazz need improvement at SG, C and back up PG. Back up SF would also help. They will need the best PF and back PG they can get as those 2 positions are most important. They need better team D.
In the triangle PG is not very important. Kobe and Gasol carry the team. No surprise.
The Jazz have a long way to go in total PER if they want a championship.
The Magic PER was 7.5. BOS was 19.7 (with Garnett). DEN was 9.7. DAL was 7.9
This number is probably better at indicating which positions are weakest and strongest for each team. However, total PER by team is an interesting idea.
It's Time | 6:44 p.m. July 16, 2009
To quit whinning and welcome Paul back. Get behind him and show him how we
respected what he did last year. He'll be fine and worth it in the future.
Nothing wrong with having "good Guy's" on the team.
Move Boozer and move on!
Move Boozer and move on!
MK | 6:45 p.m. July 16, 2009
This is why most of you posters on here aren't GMs
Boozer is a FREE AGENT next year...We have him for 1 year at 12.7M....We will NOT get ANYTHING for him of comparable value as he will BE a FREE AGENT NEXT YEAR. The best we could hope for is some salary cap/lux tax relief this year..
What team will give up anything for him? He has a history of injuries..and this JUST IN..he will be a FREE AGENT next year. So for all you aspiring GMs..who think we can trade him for something of value..it won't happen.
Millsap proves that he is worth the contract....Boozer isn't
Boozer is a FREE AGENT next year...We have him for 1 year at 12.7M....We will NOT get ANYTHING for him of comparable value as he will BE a FREE AGENT NEXT YEAR. The best we could hope for is some salary cap/lux tax relief this year..
What team will give up anything for him? He has a history of injuries..and this JUST IN..he will be a FREE AGENT next year. So for all you aspiring GMs..who think we can trade him for something of value..it won't happen.
Millsap proves that he is worth the contract....Boozer isn't
Millsap and wings | 6:57 p.m. July 16, 2009
If anything, this shows that the Jazz are valuing toughness and effort over
scoring talent. Millsap will get better, no question. The question remains,
can he still score when he's being double-teamed all the time? He'll
need to also improve his ball handling and passing.
On another note, the Jazz have way too many wings. They need to include some in any trade that involves Boozer or at least trade them separately for cap relief/draft pick(s).
On another note, the Jazz have way too many wings. They need to include some in any trade that involves Boozer or at least trade them separately for cap relief/draft pick(s).
Too Much! | 6:58 p.m. July 16, 2009
Another match to a bad contract. How is that CJ investment paying off? Just
hope we get a little more value out of this one.
re:it's time | 6:59 p.m. July 16, 2009
If Paul Millsap is one of the 2 or 3 best players on the Jazz starting 5 than we
will NEVER be a contender....but we will be just fine.....not great or really
good..but just fine...another overpriced second round draft pick..
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