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Worth? | 11:58 a.m. July 13, 2009
Millsap is good, but not worth quite that much. Portland is just trying to
stick it to the Jazz because they know the Jazz have to match it.(why else would
they pay that much for a back up!) What goes around comes around Portland, watch
us let you keep him and prevent you from playing the free agent market next year
and beyond!
Heath | 11:59 a.m. July 13, 2009
It seems to me that Milsap needs to start thinking for himself. I think he
wants to stay in Utah even if he were paid less, but his uncle and others
surrounding him are pushing him around. You are the player Paul! You are the
one making the money, not them!
I also agree with a previous comment about AK. As soon as he got paid, he stopped playing as well. How many times do we see that happen to a player like Milsap. He has fought his way up to a decent paycheck, but as soon as that money starts rolling in, the fight is over. It is a sad story, but a common one. I would be surprised if Milsap's stats went up next season regardless of which team he is on.
I also agree with a previous comment about AK. As soon as he got paid, he stopped playing as well. How many times do we see that happen to a player like Milsap. He has fought his way up to a decent paycheck, but as soon as that money starts rolling in, the fight is over. It is a sad story, but a common one. I would be surprised if Milsap's stats went up next season regardless of which team he is on.
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STEVE-O | 12:12 p.m. July 13, 2009
This deal isn't that bad other than the first year. The 2nd and 3rd years
are in the 6 Millions!
I thought Greg Miller said he'd be willing to go into the luxury tax for Millsap. I say just pay the buttload of money the first year and pay the tax for ONE year. Then after next season that contract is cake. We can dump Harpring's salary and Boozer will 100% be gone by then. This is a no brainer for me.
The Jazz have been benefitting from the luxury tax in the past. They got three million out of it just last season. So just pay it one year... even if it's a lot, and then everything will be fine.
I thought Greg Miller said he'd be willing to go into the luxury tax for Millsap. I say just pay the buttload of money the first year and pay the tax for ONE year. Then after next season that contract is cake. We can dump Harpring's salary and Boozer will 100% be gone by then. This is a no brainer for me.
The Jazz have been benefitting from the luxury tax in the past. They got three million out of it just last season. So just pay it one year... even if it's a lot, and then everything will be fine.
MK | 12:13 p.m. July 13, 2009
KOC is right about why would we bid against ourselves.
You offer him 7M per..Portland offers 9M..then you have to match the 9M
NBA is a business and I think loyalty isn't really held in high regard. Players are commodities. You want the best value for production.
BTW...CJ Miles had to wait a FULL WEEK for $16M from the Jazz. Wow...how rough can you get? Get paid $4M per year to play 15 mins a night! Anymore and you get tired...Why don't we trade him for 2 ball boys from Chicago and call it even.
You offer him 7M per..Portland offers 9M..then you have to match the 9M
NBA is a business and I think loyalty isn't really held in high regard. Players are commodities. You want the best value for production.
BTW...CJ Miles had to wait a FULL WEEK for $16M from the Jazz. Wow...how rough can you get? Get paid $4M per year to play 15 mins a night! Anymore and you get tired...Why don't we trade him for 2 ball boys from Chicago and call it even.
Please dump Millsap | 12:22 p.m. July 13, 2009
on POR. He is no better than Boozer in the PR department and not loyal to the
Jazz or the fans. Boozer makes his own dumb comments. Millsap pays his uncle to
say far worse.
I really do not care about the PR mistakes. I want a championship team. The PF position is crucial to that and neither Boozer nor Millsap can deliver.
Get over Millsap and go get the right PF even if it takes a year. Get a decent back up for now a 5 mill or less. The Jazz will get better not worse.
The worst thing is to keep Millsap and give away Boozer. The Jazz will be paying lux tax for a weaker team.
How dumb is that?
Both Boozer and Millsap are replaceable parts. What is wrong with the Jazz. Are they incapable of making good smart moves that will improve the team?
They know Millsap is inadequate. He is like a childs favorite toy. Grow up and let go and get something better.
I really do not care about the PR mistakes. I want a championship team. The PF position is crucial to that and neither Boozer nor Millsap can deliver.
Get over Millsap and go get the right PF even if it takes a year. Get a decent back up for now a 5 mill or less. The Jazz will get better not worse.
The worst thing is to keep Millsap and give away Boozer. The Jazz will be paying lux tax for a weaker team.
How dumb is that?
Both Boozer and Millsap are replaceable parts. What is wrong with the Jazz. Are they incapable of making good smart moves that will improve the team?
They know Millsap is inadequate. He is like a childs favorite toy. Grow up and let go and get something better.
Houdini: Maybe the best... | 12:25 p.m. July 13, 2009
in the long run if they don`t match,I really want to see what Koufos has,and if
we keep Paul around,Koufos and Fes will continue to rot on the bench,maybe AK
will beef-up a bit and return to his old self,I`ll take my chances with the team
we have,Williams,Korver/Brewer/AK or Boozer,and Memo with Koufos first off the
bench,let`s see once and for all what`s he`s got
And the winner is... | 1:05 p.m. July 13, 2009
Millsap's uncle!! Millsap is going to be stuck on the bench with no starter
position in sight and Utah is goig to lose booz anyway. But at least Unc. gets
paid. Come on Paul. Do you not realize that this would have been your team with
D-Will in a year?
To Millsap's Reps: | 2:15 p.m. July 13, 2009
It's really sad that you can't see your role in this whole mess.
Right off, you put the Jazz in a bad position with your talk of $10 million a
year or getting at least as much as Lee. If the Jazz had made the offer
you're now trashing them for not making, they would have insulted you and
Paul because the offer would have been less than that $10 million bar you set.
So they do the honorable thing and tell you to go get an offer they can match,
and you go and get a great offer, and now you're whining about how the Jazz
blew it? No, sirs, YOU blew it with your talk of $10 million. I respect Paul
and love his game and I respect how you've helped him over the years, but I
think the Jazz should let him go to Portland so THEY can have the cap pressure.
Look at how Okur and DWill and Korver's agents handle things - that's
the model you should follow, not the "me first" or chest-thumping
model.
KJ | 2:18 p.m. July 13, 2009
I love the "rich owner vs. poor owner" argument some are trying to
make. Get with the program people, because of the salary-cap strucuture it
doesn't matter how much more money Paul Allen has comapared to the Millers.
No team can sign free agents (FAs who haven't played on their team) unless
they have money under the cap or unless they use the mid-level exception, and
obviously Portland's offer to Milsap exceeds the MLE, so they're far
enough under the cap to make such an offer. In other words, stop blaming Paul
Allen's bloated checkbook and stop blaming their GM for smartly rebuilding
and giving themselves the financial flexibility to make a play for FAs. Instead,
blame your own team's management for putting all of their money into three
guys (Okur, D-Will, Boozer) who can't and won't bring a championship
to Utah, while simulatansously eradicating any financial flexibility the could
have.
Agents | 2:30 p.m. July 13, 2009
This is as clear a case of agents working AGAINST the best interests of the
player as you're going to find. I'll bet the agents don't even
understand the intricate details of cap space, trades, and luxury tax and think
that Portland is offering Millsap all that money strictly because Millsap is a
decent player and hustles and has earned it.
The truth is that Portland is playing a risky, high-stakes game based not on how much they need or want Millsap, but rather to take away something their enemy the Jazz has clearly stated they wanted. It's a no-lose for Portland - either they get a backup PF for a million or two more than he's worth, or they stick the Jazz with having $10 to $12 million more than he's worth. What most people don't recognize is that these off-season maneuvers with restricted free agents are as much about not helping (or hurting) the other teams as they are about helping your own team, ESPECIALLY when one team has cap space (Portland) and the other doesn't (Utah). Be smart and let him go, Jazz.
The truth is that Portland is playing a risky, high-stakes game based not on how much they need or want Millsap, but rather to take away something their enemy the Jazz has clearly stated they wanted. It's a no-lose for Portland - either they get a backup PF for a million or two more than he's worth, or they stick the Jazz with having $10 to $12 million more than he's worth. What most people don't recognize is that these off-season maneuvers with restricted free agents are as much about not helping (or hurting) the other teams as they are about helping your own team, ESPECIALLY when one team has cap space (Portland) and the other doesn't (Utah). Be smart and let him go, Jazz.
STEVE-O | 2:57 p.m. July 13, 2009
KJ
I agree with what you said. You just forgot to mention one more Jazz GM blunder... AK's salary!
I agree with what you said. You just forgot to mention one more Jazz GM blunder... AK's salary!
Stock2Malone | 3:00 p.m. July 13, 2009
@ re: wondering
Thanks for your math!
Paul,
Thank you so much for your contributions to us getting the healthcare we deserve. I work in healthcare and have the insight and knowledge to realize that all the people who come into my emergency department without insurance are actually costing us taxpayers billions of dollars a year! I hope you can somehow live with the two million a year left-over post taxes. I know that I might struggle only getting that much.
That being said, I am a huge fan of yours. Your hustle and determination should be imitated by everyone that puts on a professional basketball uniform. However, you are not worth that much money. I hope you have a great career in Portland. I don't know how the Jazz can justify paying you that much money when far superior players like Ariza, Artest, and Marion are getting paid less than you.
Adios amigo y buena suerte! You will be missed.
Thanks for your math!
Paul,
Thank you so much for your contributions to us getting the healthcare we deserve. I work in healthcare and have the insight and knowledge to realize that all the people who come into my emergency department without insurance are actually costing us taxpayers billions of dollars a year! I hope you can somehow live with the two million a year left-over post taxes. I know that I might struggle only getting that much.
That being said, I am a huge fan of yours. Your hustle and determination should be imitated by everyone that puts on a professional basketball uniform. However, you are not worth that much money. I hope you have a great career in Portland. I don't know how the Jazz can justify paying you that much money when far superior players like Ariza, Artest, and Marion are getting paid less than you.
Adios amigo y buena suerte! You will be missed.
Blauch | 3:11 p.m. July 13, 2009
Groundshog Day
Millsap Starting were 16 and 10 in 31. His contract averages at 8 million a year.
Memo and Okur as your starting lineup the Jazz won over 60% of their games - including 8 out of their last 10. This was their first season together
As far as anyone saying Millsap is signing this contract because Millsap hates the Jazz. You are crazy. Portland knew if they offered him an 8 million a year salary the Jazz would match. This was the only way they would offer him a contract - Portland would only offer him a contract if there was a signing bonus. Millsap Agent did fine for him. He got him a 10 million dollar signing bonus - after 3 years in the league where Millsap only earned a combined 2.5. The Jazz would be crazy to not to sign Millsap. His contract (when he is in his absolute prime (25 thru 27) The contract is between 6.8 to 7.5 million a year. 16 and 10 as a starter. You have to be crazy not to want him at that price. Absolutely nuts. This would be the biggest mistake in the history of the Jazz
Millsap Starting were 16 and 10 in 31. His contract averages at 8 million a year.
Memo and Okur as your starting lineup the Jazz won over 60% of their games - including 8 out of their last 10. This was their first season together
As far as anyone saying Millsap is signing this contract because Millsap hates the Jazz. You are crazy. Portland knew if they offered him an 8 million a year salary the Jazz would match. This was the only way they would offer him a contract - Portland would only offer him a contract if there was a signing bonus. Millsap Agent did fine for him. He got him a 10 million dollar signing bonus - after 3 years in the league where Millsap only earned a combined 2.5. The Jazz would be crazy to not to sign Millsap. His contract (when he is in his absolute prime (25 thru 27) The contract is between 6.8 to 7.5 million a year. 16 and 10 as a starter. You have to be crazy not to want him at that price. Absolutely nuts. This would be the biggest mistake in the history of the Jazz
jgmats | 3:26 p.m. July 13, 2009
What professional athletes get to play is a crime.
They make more in a year than 10 people make in a life time. I have always maintained that the best
player on a team should get no more than 2 or 3
million and the least l million. If they can't live on that then they can quit and find a job in the work place like everyone else and see how much they can make there. I love sports but ALL professional sports are out of control.
They make more in a year than 10 people make in a life time. I have always maintained that the best
player on a team should get no more than 2 or 3
million and the least l million. If they can't live on that then they can quit and find a job in the work place like everyone else and see how much they can make there. I love sports but ALL professional sports are out of control.
duff | 3:31 p.m. July 13, 2009
the bottom line here is the money. if you cant get trade boozer without losing
to much money, then let milsap go. boozer will looking for a similiar contract
next year and have to show up this coming. let him go after next year, and then
rebuild. if boozer stays he is going to have to play defense or his next
contract wont be near as good.
Anonymous | 3:44 p.m. July 13, 2009
Wow, Milsap's uncle is just flat out obnoxious. It's hard to sound
like a guy who knows how negotiations should go, when everyone in the world
knows he's never been an agent for anyone before.
He's the questionable one...
He's the questionable one...
Panic? | 4:34 p.m. July 13, 2009
Here is what Luke Byrnes of Hoopsworld had to say about trading Boozer.
"Boozer is going into free agency next season so there is going to be a great deal of reason for Boozer to play hard and play well next year regardless of what takes place with him and the Jazz before the season tips off. I see Utah favoring fairly well either way. If Boozer is in a contract year, you have to be excited about that if you are a Jazz fan. If he is gone, then Utah will have some other pieces to play with. If Utah is smart, this is a win-win.
The key phrase there is "if Utah is smart".
Millsap is a nice player. He is not a franchise player. Go get one and don't waste the money on a back up.
We want a championship and Millsap can bring one!
"Boozer is going into free agency next season so there is going to be a great deal of reason for Boozer to play hard and play well next year regardless of what takes place with him and the Jazz before the season tips off. I see Utah favoring fairly well either way. If Boozer is in a contract year, you have to be excited about that if you are a Jazz fan. If he is gone, then Utah will have some other pieces to play with. If Utah is smart, this is a win-win.
The key phrase there is "if Utah is smart".
Millsap is a nice player. He is not a franchise player. Go get one and don't waste the money on a back up.
We want a championship and Millsap can bring one!
Can't | 4:44 p.m. July 13, 2009
That should read can't bring a championship. Everything we have seen of
Millsap suggests he is a great back up and can be a starter on an 8th seed.
However, he can not carry a championship team. Further, his luxury tax implications for the next 2 years ruins any chance of getting the players needed for a championship run.
I like Paul. I like winning better. Please use the money to get the players who can win a championship. There is no hurry. Wait for the right deals. They will come to you.
AK and Koof can back up Boozer until the right deal is available. They will put up numbers just as good as Millsap in a back up role.
Or go get a cheap promising back up at PF now for the MLE or under. Or rent a vet like Gooden for a year to back up. Or trade Harp for a back up PF.
The lux tax can be fixed on the Boozer trade late in the year. That trade and the 2010 FA season are the future of the Jazz for the next 3-5 years.
Get a championship not "continuity" (same old same).
However, he can not carry a championship team. Further, his luxury tax implications for the next 2 years ruins any chance of getting the players needed for a championship run.
I like Paul. I like winning better. Please use the money to get the players who can win a championship. There is no hurry. Wait for the right deals. They will come to you.
AK and Koof can back up Boozer until the right deal is available. They will put up numbers just as good as Millsap in a back up role.
Or go get a cheap promising back up at PF now for the MLE or under. Or rent a vet like Gooden for a year to back up. Or trade Harp for a back up PF.
The lux tax can be fixed on the Boozer trade late in the year. That trade and the 2010 FA season are the future of the Jazz for the next 3-5 years.
Get a championship not "continuity" (same old same).
read it and weep | 4:52 p.m. July 13, 2009
Two faced KOC cannot figure why Portland would pay a backup over 6 mill a year, oh please KOC you pay our AK backup 16-17 million a year and that is for one backup not 3 or 4 of them. You pay another backup in excess of 5 million and he cannot play over half the season yet Matt tries hard so we reward him. Paying Millsap 8 million a year is a bargain based upon YOUR performance.
If you wanted Millsap then you could have had him in negotiations, now you have created hard feelings.
You are the designer of the team and now we are going to toss Boozer out with the bathwater because you cannot do your job. Just make sure to replace him for 12 million which YOU may find challenging seeing you cannot get us backups for less than an average of $9,000,000 each.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen KOC. Many lesser men could do better.
Blazerdude | 5:12 p.m. July 13, 2009
Sorry about youre luck Jazz fans.KP has youre management over the barrel,
either you pony up way to much or you lose one of youre best players. The sad
part about it is the Jazz build through the draft and what a steal Millsap was
to land in the second round. I feel for you guys being a Blazer fan because
Portland isn't a huge free agent gathering place either. But you're
management has one thing wrong.Millsap will find plenty of minutes being that
Aldridge likes to float around the outside he could play sf against slower
bigger sf.Mcmillan really likes Paul too. I can asure you he'll find him
minutes for Paul, aldridge and Oden with Priz coming in as the enforcer.THat
will be the most dominating frontline,starters and bench.
Ro | 6:22 p.m. July 13, 2009
I don't see why the Millsap camp is so upset. RFA's get offers from
other teams, and the orginal team can match it. Its always been that way. Why
make a high offer, when we couldn've waited until the offseason to do so?
Millsap is good, no doubt.. But that's it. He is undersized like Boozer,
and we still don't have a defensive center. Booz put up great #'s
during the season, but struggles against twin towers(which every contender in
the West has) I hate to say it, but we're going to be the same team, with
or without Millsap. The playoff teams all put the smaller guy on the perimeter
with Okur, and give our power forward a hard time.
POR gets around the cap | 6:34 p.m. July 13, 2009
by buying a lot of draft picks, developing them, keeping the best and trading
the rest. They also trade the best when they become to expensive.
If the Jazz were better at developing young talent they should follow the POR strategy. 2nd round picks are relatively cheap. The Jazz should have moved up and got Blair before SA did. That is what really bothers me about the Jazz. They are too passive and get zapped from time to time because the can't or won't be more proactive.
Create you own luck instead of waiting for something to happen (usually bad). Where is the leadership for the Jazz organization?
If the Jazz were better at developing young talent they should follow the POR strategy. 2nd round picks are relatively cheap. The Jazz should have moved up and got Blair before SA did. That is what really bothers me about the Jazz. They are too passive and get zapped from time to time because the can't or won't be more proactive.
Create you own luck instead of waiting for something to happen (usually bad). Where is the leadership for the Jazz organization?
Sloan had veto power over | 6:42 p.m. July 13, 2009
any trade/acquisition. Blame him not KOC. I am not sure KOC is the best GM
available but he is really a water boy. Sloan and L Miller made all of the
decisions. That is why the Jazz don't make the changes they need and why
they over pay back ups like Harp, GG, and AK.
Sloan is still running things so we will see if the new Jazz management are dumb enough to over pay Millsap.
That is the primary reason this team will never win a championship. Sloan hates change and won't make necessary changes to win.
Sloan is still running things so we will see if the new Jazz management are dumb enough to over pay Millsap.
That is the primary reason this team will never win a championship. Sloan hates change and won't make necessary changes to win.
Anonymous | 6:45 p.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons can't you see the logic of the scenerio, Utah has the right to
match, now how can the Jazz match something if there's nothing to match?
now you are saying the Jazz should have made the initial move? that can happen
but if not,so what?.. I know Paul's agent is his uncle but "hired
another agent please!"
In need of stress releif | 6:46 p.m. July 13, 2009
Some of the people pouring out their sorrow over Millsap and his contract
desires need to invest in a punching bag or some sort of therapy. "Good
riddance, get out of town you greedy player" and other sentiments reflect
that too much of their energy is invested in the offseason transactions of the
Jazz.
I'm a die hard fan, but ultimately, the NBA is a business, and if the Jazz decided to just let some other team swoop in and offer a lucrative, front-loaded contract that they can't match, well, that's their own fault; they shouldn't have short-changed him if they were that serious about keeping him.
I sincerely doubt a single one of you "good riddance" people would sing the same tune if a competitor swooped in and offered you a year's salary payable within a week of starting your job.
I for one am not worried; the Jazz either have a large amount of money rolling off the cap next summer or they retain Millsap's services. So take a few breaths and take CJ's advice to Millsap and "find something else to do."
I'm a die hard fan, but ultimately, the NBA is a business, and if the Jazz decided to just let some other team swoop in and offer a lucrative, front-loaded contract that they can't match, well, that's their own fault; they shouldn't have short-changed him if they were that serious about keeping him.
I sincerely doubt a single one of you "good riddance" people would sing the same tune if a competitor swooped in and offered you a year's salary payable within a week of starting your job.
I for one am not worried; the Jazz either have a large amount of money rolling off the cap next summer or they retain Millsap's services. So take a few breaths and take CJ's advice to Millsap and "find something else to do."
RE: Panic? | 6:50 p.m. July 13, 2009
Boozer is NOT a franchise player either.
maybe a complementary player at best.
and CERTAINLY NOT a dominant big man,
not even a mediocre defensive player.
Millsap is just a nice mediocre player, and you DO NOT give BIG money to supporting cast.
maybe a complementary player at best.
and CERTAINLY NOT a dominant big man,
not even a mediocre defensive player.
Millsap is just a nice mediocre player, and you DO NOT give BIG money to supporting cast.
Agreed | 7:33 p.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons is a horrible agent. My opinion of Paul is actually going downhill
because of Simmon's comments. Simmons needs some PR courses for sure. His
comments to the media are far from professional. If the Jazz let Paul go, I
won't be too dissappointed. I don't think he has proven himself to be
worth the money Portland is offering. If Paul turns out to be an all-star in
the next few years, then the Jazz will look dumb. If he turns out to be a
hustle role player type, like he has been in the past, then I think he will be
getting overpaid. I'd put his fair market value around $6kk/year. Sorry
Paul, you're a great role player, but you will not take Portland to the
next level.
Disgusted | 7:50 p.m. July 13, 2009
I can't understand you Jazz fans. Millsap, for 3 years, was the lowest-paid
player on the team. Yet, he was one of the most productive. Now that he's
gotten a great offer, you turn on him at the drop of a hat. You wouldn't be
in this position had Boozer opted out like he threatened (promised?). When you
compare the two players, who is the better value? Clearly, Paul Millsap.
He's much more valuable to the Jazz than Varajeo is to the Cavs, yet the
contract Millsap signed with the Blazers isn't even worth as much as
Varajeo's new one. The Jazz should eat the luxury tax for one year; if they
can't trade Boozer, then let him walk after next year. Millsap averaged 16
and 10 as a starter, and entering the prime of his career, he'll only get
better as a full-time starter. Plus, he's durable. Millsap is a major
player in Utah's future. They can't afford not to match
Portland's offer.
Shaybo | 7:59 p.m. July 13, 2009
With the Luxury Tax added in it will cost the Jazz $42 million to retain him,
almost all of the experts say he's worth about $24 million that's $18
million he' overpriced, don't tell me you can't get a Chris Bosh
or Brandon Roy to move to Utah for an extra $18 million. Compare them to
Millsap, No Contest. If we pay him the money and get rid of Boozer we will be
worse than last year and still in a financial mess for years to come with no
hope for a Championship type team.
KJ | 8:00 p.m. July 13, 2009
@ Steve-O
I obviously had a brain lapse. How could I forget Kirilenko when discussing a lack of financial flexibility? Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
I obviously had a brain lapse. How could I forget Kirilenko when discussing a lack of financial flexibility? Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Jazz Cop | 10:37 p.m. July 13, 2009
Has there ever been a more obnoxious agent? The comparison of salaries between
varejao marion and millsap makes me think millsap is getting overpaid, for what
millsap does--you're not suppossed to pay that much for hustle, marion can
drive and score and varejao is bigger than millsap, a better defender, better
scorer, fouls less, has a better jump shot and makes less mistakes. Talking
about the player you represent is one thing, but his uncle has insulted jazz
managment and fans--not just by saying the jazz dropped the ball when they
literally had their hands tied behind their backs, but by proposing that the
jazz were trying to go cheap on millsap, and creating hype that millsap has the
same kind of impact as varejao and marion, which isn't the case. Seven
mill a year which the jazz offered is the high end of millsaps worth, midlevel
is what he would've gotten from any other team that wasn't trying to
punk the jazz. His uncle talks like the jazz owe millsap, the jazz gave him his
chance, developed him, and then offered a good contract-and his uncle talks like
there isn't loyalty?
portland fan in provo | 3:31 a.m. July 14, 2009
Ya'll just got pritch-slapped by the master. Very toxic offer. Here is the
deal. To dear paul: the blazers had 9 million in cap room and wanted to make a
good deal, that isn't financial irresponsibility, it is in fact the
smartest thing the blazers could do. you guys shoul seriously let millsap go,
trade or keep boozer for a year. just let ol' paul go. The only downside is
how good the division rivals in portland are going to be. He adds so much
versatility to their lineups. plus, potland is the slowest offensive team in the
league (for those of you who don't know) so millsap's big body will
help with rebounding and so much more. Their smallball with millsap will still
be a huge body. This is seriously perfect for portland so get scared all you
fans here in Utah.
Sloan Quote | 7:59 a.m. July 14, 2009
"We want everybody back," Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said. "We think
if we can keep everybody healthy and learn how to do some things a little bit
better after being together for a year or so, hopefully that will help us become
a better team."
80 million plus luxury tax penalties for a team that can't contend.
How does Sloan fix the defense? A healthy Boozer does not do that. How does Sloan fix the back to back problems. He won't change his rotations and use his depth so why overpay Millsap? How does Sloan fix the bad road record?
The Sloan philosophies like "continuity", "talk only defense", "rigid rotations" and "veteran biases" plus over paying are why the Jazz will never get a ring no matter how much they pay.
Keep drinking the Sloan "snake oil" it will cure all of the problems.
There will be injuries and there is no reason to believe Sloan has any solutions to the above problems that have been obvious for years.
Don't destroy the Jazz by signing Millsap. He can be replaced. The market is dropping. Stay out of debt.
Change coaches and get a championship.
80 million plus luxury tax penalties for a team that can't contend.
How does Sloan fix the defense? A healthy Boozer does not do that. How does Sloan fix the back to back problems. He won't change his rotations and use his depth so why overpay Millsap? How does Sloan fix the bad road record?
The Sloan philosophies like "continuity", "talk only defense", "rigid rotations" and "veteran biases" plus over paying are why the Jazz will never get a ring no matter how much they pay.
Keep drinking the Sloan "snake oil" it will cure all of the problems.
There will be injuries and there is no reason to believe Sloan has any solutions to the above problems that have been obvious for years.
Don't destroy the Jazz by signing Millsap. He can be replaced. The market is dropping. Stay out of debt.
Change coaches and get a championship.
We focused on the wrong | 8:14 a.m. July 14, 2009
criteria. Instead of being worried about the luxury tax or being able to move
Boozer or if it is a good deal, we should evaluate the following;
1. How does the defense get improved without sacrificing the offense? What players can be replaced/added under the tax who will solve this problem?
2. How to solve the back to backs? Is this a player problem or a coaching problem? Even with depth Sloan will still not alter his rotations to win the second game.
3. How to get a winning road record? This seems to be a leadership problem both in coaching and the players. It also require a different approach to the game, intense defense and scoring with fewer fouls.
The team is a system. Changing a player or two may make some difference. Changing the coach would make a great difference.
1. How does the defense get improved without sacrificing the offense? What players can be replaced/added under the tax who will solve this problem?
2. How to solve the back to backs? Is this a player problem or a coaching problem? Even with depth Sloan will still not alter his rotations to win the second game.
3. How to get a winning road record? This seems to be a leadership problem both in coaching and the players. It also require a different approach to the game, intense defense and scoring with fewer fouls.
The team is a system. Changing a player or two may make some difference. Changing the coach would make a great difference.
Next years problem | 8:27 a.m. July 14, 2009
At the end of last year, teams were disrupting the PG play and preventing the
Jazz from getting into their sets. I am not sure but Millsap's lack of
skill and Boozer being less than 100% may have been a factor.
However, if the problem is in the PG and not the PF how do the Jazz fix that major problem?
The Jazz seem to be fixated on paying the luxury tax for a mediocre team when they should be making the changes necessary to fix years worth of problems plus this new problem.
There is something wrong with the Jazz organization. They focus on the wrong problems and refuse to address their real weaknesses. They delude themselves by insisting that "continuity" will solve the very real problems that have been intractable for years.
What is wrong with the Jazz? Why can't they address the real weaknesses instead of pretending that they will go away by doing the same thing over again?
Organizations have personalities just like people. Some have dysfunctional personalities. The Jazz are very competent in some aspects but they seem
schizophrenic (divorced from reality) in others.
Who is responsible for making a better team?
However, if the problem is in the PG and not the PF how do the Jazz fix that major problem?
The Jazz seem to be fixated on paying the luxury tax for a mediocre team when they should be making the changes necessary to fix years worth of problems plus this new problem.
There is something wrong with the Jazz organization. They focus on the wrong problems and refuse to address their real weaknesses. They delude themselves by insisting that "continuity" will solve the very real problems that have been intractable for years.
What is wrong with the Jazz? Why can't they address the real weaknesses instead of pretending that they will go away by doing the same thing over again?
Organizations have personalities just like people. Some have dysfunctional personalities. The Jazz are very competent in some aspects but they seem
schizophrenic (divorced from reality) in others.
Who is responsible for making a better team?
Stockton | 9:04 a.m. July 14, 2009
would be the logical choice to replace Sloan. Not only does he know the
strengths and weaknesses of the Sloan system but he knows those of every other
system. He had to run or defend against every system out there and he knows them
in a way (from playing) that Sloan does not.
He is smarter than Sloan. He will demand defense and intensity from the players or he will replace them quickly. He is less likely to over pay. He should be more flexible and adaptable than Sloan. He will go for the juggler of other teams quickly instead of ignoring opportunities and insisting on continuity. If it is not working it will get fixed quickly.
Sloan is only part of the problem but he is a big problem. He will get you into the playoffs and that type of security is seductive to management. The probability of him winning a championship without changing his ways and enough players is like winning the lottery.
Greg seems to be serious about winning. Doing it Sloan's way will financially break the Jazz.
Millsap is not worth 2 years of luxury tax. It will prevent the team from good players.
He is smarter than Sloan. He will demand defense and intensity from the players or he will replace them quickly. He is less likely to over pay. He should be more flexible and adaptable than Sloan. He will go for the juggler of other teams quickly instead of ignoring opportunities and insisting on continuity. If it is not working it will get fixed quickly.
Sloan is only part of the problem but he is a big problem. He will get you into the playoffs and that type of security is seductive to management. The probability of him winning a championship without changing his ways and enough players is like winning the lottery.
Greg seems to be serious about winning. Doing it Sloan's way will financially break the Jazz.
Millsap is not worth 2 years of luxury tax. It will prevent the team from good players.
Whiners | 10:14 a.m. July 14, 2009
You complain endlessly about Sloan yet he has taken his team twice to the NBA
finals and would have won twice if it not were for THE BEST player ever named
Jordan.
You complain he can't develop talent and yet the Thunder offered decent money for CJ last year. Portland offers big money for Millsap this year. Who can argue that Brewer has not panned out and developed well (except for his jumpshot--arm issue). Deron Williams has turned out fairly well also.
Strange we have so many teams that want all the players that you claim Sloan has not developed.
Last season basically everyone believed we had a decent shot to contend. Injuries decimated the team and prevented that. We still were talking about a chance at a 2nd seed with 10 games to go in the season!! Even with all the injuries to our key star players.
Sloan may not be the best but he is obviously top tier of what is available.
Many of you ignorant fans immediately equate trades with improving. What they are is "attempts" to get better that statistically more often than not do NOT work.
You complain he can't develop talent and yet the Thunder offered decent money for CJ last year. Portland offers big money for Millsap this year. Who can argue that Brewer has not panned out and developed well (except for his jumpshot--arm issue). Deron Williams has turned out fairly well also.
Strange we have so many teams that want all the players that you claim Sloan has not developed.
Last season basically everyone believed we had a decent shot to contend. Injuries decimated the team and prevented that. We still were talking about a chance at a 2nd seed with 10 games to go in the season!! Even with all the injuries to our key star players.
Sloan may not be the best but he is obviously top tier of what is available.
Many of you ignorant fans immediately equate trades with improving. What they are is "attempts" to get better that statistically more often than not do NOT work.
Brandon | 11:37 a.m. July 14, 2009
Has anyone said that Millsap earned less that $300,000 a year the last couple of
years. 19 double doubles in a row,(an unheard of feat)and he was one of the
least paid players in the league, let alone the lowest on the Jazz. So would
$10 million up front sound good to you? This is the first real money that
Millsap will have in his bank account. I think he has earned it, and deserves
it, but his uncle hasn't done anything but run his mouth. Millsap should
hustle and gag him.
jazzfaninboston | 3:00 p.m. July 14, 2009
Simmons talks like this is a done deal! He talks as if the jazz have wronged
millsap for paying him so little in the past. He talks about a guy who was
drafted in the 2nd round without many takers out of college, like he is a
perennial all-star. hes a great back up whos proven he can put up good numbers
in the first unit for half a season. jazz did the right thing in assessing his
value, milsap did the right thing in seeking an offer. simmons needs to learn
how negotiating works. it is clear that the jazz value paul, or they would not
be moving boozer. its a numbers game and everyone knows the jazz never showthere
cards till the last minute. finally, so many players w/ pauls talent are drafted
into the wrong situation and never even make it this far. as much as the jazz
should value milsap,likewise simmons should recognize that paul very likely
would not be in this situation if the jazz hadnt been the team to draft him in
the first place!
business or personal | 5:56 p.m. July 14, 2009
Millsap's people got him a great deal. He gets a great payday whether Utah
matches or not. So why does Simmons have to spill this vitriol about the Jazz
in the media? The deal is done, and this guy is spending effort for no reason
whatsoever.
Anderson Varejao?! Simmons *wishes* that he could take the Jazz for the kind of highway robbery that Varejao and Fegan are committing against the Cavs. Sorry, man, your client signed a contract stating he'd be a restricted free agent at the end of it. Yes, it's probably nerve-racking. Deal with it. Ask David Lee if he's happy that inferior players are getting nice paydays while he sits there emptyhanded. It's not his team's fault.
Anderson Varejao?! Simmons *wishes* that he could take the Jazz for the kind of highway robbery that Varejao and Fegan are committing against the Cavs. Sorry, man, your client signed a contract stating he'd be a restricted free agent at the end of it. Yes, it's probably nerve-racking. Deal with it. Ask David Lee if he's happy that inferior players are getting nice paydays while he sits there emptyhanded. It's not his team's fault.
Anonymous | 10:29 a.m. July 16, 2009
Brandon... Not to pick nits... but Paul has been paid closer to $800,000/yr. I
agree he deserves a bonus, and it's very nice of Portland to be willing to
pay it for us. I think if Jazz make a decision from their heart they'll
match for Paul If they make a decision from a balance sheet he's gone. If
it's a question of going deep into the playoffs this season... ..Depends on
how good the basketball geniuses employed by the Jazz evaluate his upside. Paul
is ahead of Malones record at this point in his career.. and will get paid more
too.
MK | 6:53 p.m. July 16, 2009
Most of you guys kill me on here....yes if it was a perfect NBA world...we would
have a team of tall,lanky 6'10" ball handlers that could pass...shoot
midrange and 3ptrs. Rebound and Bloack shots...they woulkd work for the
$300,000 per year and not complain.
Reality is that there are only so much top tier talent available...we never sink low enough in the draft to get a superstart (dwill is it)..so what do you do? Build your team around decent..not great guys and win games.
You have hits and misses...
Reality is that there are only so much top tier talent available...we never sink low enough in the draft to get a superstart (dwill is it)..so what do you do? Build your team around decent..not great guys and win games.
You have hits and misses...
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On the other hand, Millsap's people have made a much worse deal for their player than they thought they would make. He's getting much less than the $50 mil they wanted.
Do they really think he's better than Shawn Marion?
But the deal is clearly vindictive. Millsap's people want the Jazz to lose tons of money that Millsap himself will not make. Brilliant job.
Talk about a stupid way to keep a good relationship with a potential employer.
This is not business; it's personal.
I hope Millsap is happy playing 15 minutes per game in Portland. I hope his gimpy knee lasts the season. I hope he disappears in the playoffs like he did for the Jazz.