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Anonymous | 12:40 a.m. July 13, 2009
Millsap's agents need to take a few courses in PR.

They've promised Portland that they're about to get a 3-point-shooting, Charles Barkley-reincarnated player up there. At the same time, they're alienating the Jazz fanbase and management by their comments here.

It might make more sense to wait until your client leaves Utah to start doing that - DUH!
Greed | 12:48 a.m. July 13, 2009
The agent is greedy. Give him a million per year, as should all players, and give the rest to students neediing college tuition. The sports world is a greedy bunch of spoiked brats.
Justice Jericho | 1:21 a.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons, shut your mouth. You have been doing what has been in the best interest for Milsap, or at least that is what you say; and the Jazz are doing the same thing for themselves. So please end your talk about how the Jazz have not treated Milsap good.
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Anonymous | 2:22 a.m. July 13, 2009
Wow! Reading previous stories and comments, I thought only Boozer was interested in getting the most money possible. I thought Saint Paul was all about the team, not all about the money. Guess maybe that "professional" part of pro athlete means something after all. Of course Boozer gets verbally beaten up for taking the most money, while for Saint Paul, it seems to be a different story.
cae | 5:17 a.m. July 13, 2009
hmm millsap's picture kinda looks like a mugshot, jailblazers anyone? just sayin. Never higher your uncle to be your agent jeez. Who's the other rep? Uncle's friend? Seriously it's fine if you want to help out your family, but dont give them a job they have no business doing, higher a real agent, they'll get you more money anyway, they know how to do it.
Anonymous | 6:10 a.m. July 13, 2009
Why should Simmons shut his mouth. What he says is true. It amazes me many Jazz fans don't get it. The NBA is a business!
Don't be bitter | 6:48 a.m. July 13, 2009
Even if the Jazz don't and or can't match Portland's offer consider this. The Jazz by making a statement that they would match any offer helped Millsap. 1st any suitors would need to come in big. They did and 2nd it kept him from getting sent to a not serious team aka thunder or grizz. If the Jazz don't match at least you will know that they did the kid a favor. always want to keep your own but at least you get to see one of the better (work ethic wise) kids in the NBA for a while if not.
Chris | 6:51 a.m. July 13, 2009
The NBA may be a business, but there is one rule in the business world. It would be, don't involve family in your business deal. They will screw it up. In this case, screw him up. His so called agents are just "Yes men", and nothing else. The Jazz allowed him to assess his value. Both sides knew that the Jazz had a lot of scenarios that needed to be weeded out, and still do at this time. I think the mistake is that Paul needs to tell them to shut up. Besides, Portland is trying to be a run and gunner, and his game doesn't fit run and gun. You can't rebound, or play off set offenses, if all your doing is running, it doesn't work in the playoffs. It would be normal, for the Jazz to analyze what they can and can't afford. They are a small market team, the smallest, Portland is slightly bigger. So even with their owner with a bigger bank account could be shooting his foot, when free agency happens the next 2 years.
ALL TRUE | 7:10 a.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons is 100% correct. Millsap should get the money he has earned. Millsap for basically 8M a year is a bargain. Now 13+ for Boozer is a crime.
Let My People Go | 7:15 a.m. July 13, 2009
Good bye. The Jazz will be better off without Milsap. Cut payroll. Trade Boozer. Draft and trade for some real players next year and build for the future.
Anonymous | 7:17 a.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons is a family member and it obviously is difficult for him to separate the business from the personal so why didn't Kevin O'connor adjust to that? Maybe Milsap is right. Why should others be setting his value for the Jazz. The Jazz could have made an offer. If Milsap could beat that offer with another team the Jazz still had the option to match. That obviously is how the Milsaps wanted it to go down - I don't see much wrong with that.
Sj Bobkins | 7:21 a.m. July 13, 2009
The Jazz have to get rid of high money-low value guys such as AK. To have your highest paid player, a non physical stick with an inner 3 year old child's temperament, sitting the bench, makes no sense. If you sign Milsap and let Boozer go on a sign (extension) and trade, you are then depending on a guy who has never come close to showing he is worth that kind of money and can be depended on to led the team. What was his scoring average when Boozer was hurt??????? Not very great, do you think he's going to blossom into a Julius Irving or Magic Johnson if given the start? Fat chance. You have Bosh next year coming out who will be ideal. Let Portland overpay, get rig of #47, keep Boozer, and next year get Bosh and a hot shooting @ guard, Utah drafts grrrrrrrrr................almond boo what a waste.
@ Anonymous 6:10 | 7:24 a.m. July 13, 2009
Yes, the NBA is a business. But a big part of business, as I am sure you know, is PR and at least trying to appear diplomatic. Simmons is beginning to irritate me to no end with his ranting and crying. The Jazz made it very clear how they intended to proceed and if they had no interest in Millsap they would not be trying to ship Boozer out of here. So please Simmons, shutty with the martyr act...
poggee | 7:36 a.m. July 13, 2009
I agree....the NBA is a business nothing personal. The Jazz don't want to cross that luxury tax threshold well guess what, other teams in the NBA have already fortified their positions and already on the luxury tax bracket. Jazz are so cheeaaapppp!!! Jazz won't be able to make the playoffs if they don't take the risks! oh and also Greg Miller is not a true bball fan he's waiting on the wings to sell this team once he gets the right offer coz' right now Jazz is a losing business. Can you hear it? Seattle couldn't wait to buy this team....for all you Jazz fans, the Jazz team days in Utah are numbered!!! marked my words.
Observation-ist | 7:38 a.m. July 13, 2009
With all due respect to DeAngelo and Anonymous(that's not much), Paul needs to hire more competent representatives. I don't know DeAngelo personally, but he talks like he has no business sense. The Jazz were unwilling to overbid. That makes good business sense. They indicated their strong interest in, and respect for, Paul early and often. They simply do not want to overpay.

DeAngelo indicated early that they were expecting ~10M / year. He was obviously delerious. The market has now been set for Paul. It's approx 7.7M per year (spread the 5.6M over 4 years and add it to his base salary).

His other rep (Ana?) talks like this was a potential prom date and Paul's disappointed. Paul need to be taught about business. He can't be disappointed in the Jazz's desire to only pay market value. It's a business. Paying market value provides more $ to pay other talent which increases his ability to win a championship.

Paul, take a line from the Donald and tell DeAngelo and Ana ... YOUR FIRED!

As a Jazz fan, I want you to be a Jazz man next year. I hope the Jazz pony-up
louisiana jazz man | 7:40 a.m. July 13, 2009
number 1 his agent' uncle took him off the football field and taught him basket ball. so now he is getting paid for his hard work too. number 2 everything he said is true. they told the jazz they had a offer sheet and give them the chance to match it. jazz could have signed him long tme ago for 7 mil but offered i mi. and just like them ;fans should be upset but they threw him under the bus along with his uncle and boz. and you think he should show up with a smile.i would call them and tell them please dont match i dont want to be here.
Anonymous | 7:42 a.m. July 13, 2009
So Millsap is greedy you say? All the Jazz had to do was make a fair offer when the signing period started and Millsap would have signed. Instead the Jazz told Millsap to go out and try to get an offer from another team and they would match it. So Millsap did what the Jazz wanted him to do. I don't see why it's Millsap's fault that the offer he received from Portland was more the Utah was willing to pay. The Jazz wanted to let another team set the price and now the price has been said. I honestly believe that Paul wants to stay in Utah, but he was told to go out and find an offer and that Utah would match. Sounds to me like he went out and did exactly what Utah told him to do.
DH | 7:52 a.m. July 13, 2009
They aren't alienating me. This is just a part of the business side on the NBA. Before any one becomes to excited about the HBA they need to recognize that first and foremost it is a business. It is not about the fans, it is about money. Anyone in business knows that playing the "game" is a part of life. Milsap and his agents and the Jazz can say whatever they want. If Milsap comes back I'll cheer for him. If he doesn't, then he doesn't. You can't blame him for getting all that he can get.
George | 7:53 a.m. July 13, 2009
Simmons is an idiot. He said MARION NEVER GOT A REBOUND FOR YOU. Marion was a damn good player who could rebound, score and play good defense. Look what happened to Phoenix when he left. He was also a starter on a damn good team. Milsap addmitted himself that he broke down during the season. As soon as free agency started, Simmons was boasting about Paul deserving 10 million a year. All Simmons could think about was his commission. All Jazz fans like Milsap but, if you overpay for a player it comes back to haunt you. The Jazz were reluctant to make an offer because Simmons was telling everyone he was worth 10 million a year. Look at Bass, he signed for a lot less and is going to be a starter for a team that played in the finals. Congratulations Paul you were able to get more than you were worth and Portland made a stupid mistake.
Please Jazz do not Match. Sign Wilcox and Dwill will make you a star.
Wondering | 8:14 a.m. July 13, 2009
I have always wondered how much money these players who sign for all these millions, really receive? For instance a player signs a $50 million contract over 5 years, how much do they get to keep and how much goes to Uncle?

My bet is that they pay in excess of 50% to the government. Can anyone help?




Lunch Meat | 8:15 a.m. July 13, 2009
Jazz fans please start looking at the big picture here. Let Milsap go, keep Boozer and let him go after this year and then make a run at some big names next year (especially Chris Bosh ).
Think about it, we make a few sacrifices this year to solidify the franchise for years to come. In 2010 we pick up a solid free agent, we get the Knicks pick and we start building for the future.
Let Milsap go, he's a decent forward in a mediocre free agent market class, don't waste the money like you did with Kirilenko.
P.S. - If you are going to throw that much money out there, do it for David Lee, he's better than Milsap anyways.
Dear Paul | 8:28 a.m. July 13, 2009
First and foremost, I want you to stay more than anything right now. If the Jazz match, please be happy and move on. Having said that, you have to understand one thing here. The Jazz are the jazz. They are probably the most responsible franchize in the NBA when it comes to money. You have to understand that. Look at teams like Portland...Where were they 3 years ago? In the TOILET...These teams that make lucrative offers obviously have no discipline. I understand that it is hard to walk away from a huge offer like that. But you also have to realize what its worth to be on a stable franchise like the Jazz.. Not many players experience that. Let the Jazz take their time and do it their way and then you should be happy either way. Don't worry....if Booz hadn't opted in, we probably wouldnt be having this conversation.
Go to | 8:32 a.m. July 13, 2009
Portland Millsap. I think the Jazz undervalued you and apparently, Portland thinks you are will be a great with their program. 10 millions up front is not a bad deal at all...
to Millsap's Reps | 8:33 a.m. July 13, 2009
Wow!! I have never seen such cheap car salesman nonsense talk. Get some class or at least a better argument. I hope they realize how ridiculous they sound.
Knowwhat | 8:43 a.m. July 13, 2009
This whole negotiation senario is car sales 101, if you don't think Jazz management and the Millers know how to make money and get everything they can, you haven't bought a car lately. I think they have years of experience in negotiation and some people buy and some don't but Larry Miller Inc. always finds a way to make money.
akk | 8:48 a.m. July 13, 2009
I like Milsap... his agents comments are stupid. I say trade Boozer for Hinrich... Sign Dwight Gooden to Mid level exception... let Portland live with that Contract.
??? | 8:48 a.m. July 13, 2009
Does anyone remember how hard and full of energy Kirilenko used to play BEFORE he got the big payday? I hope Milsap dumps his bonehead uncle and ends up back here with the Jazz.
Miles | 8:53 a.m. July 13, 2009
Wake up people. Due to Boozer opting in the Jazz were in a financial mess with Millsap. They couldn't just go out there and set his value. They didn't have any money to work with. On top of that, with the recession, no one has been getting tons of money thrown at them. Simmons was asking for 10 million. Does he not remember that? This uncle is not too bright. He is the one who forced the Jazz to let someone else set the market because he already priced the Jazz out of the market with his demands. Marion is a much more rounded player than Paul. Don't compare the two. If Paul is so hurt then go to Portland and sit on the bench because you really don't want to play basketball if you are willing to be a bench player. Seems like it is all about the money for Paul.
Miles | 9:11 a.m. July 13, 2009
There are other options available out there. It's not like Millsap is a team changer! He is a backup. Don't waste the money on him. Let him enjoy the pine in Portland while he spends his money. Let the youngsters play this year and give Jerry time to evaluate the long term potential of Fes Koufus CJ Maynor etc. With Dwill Brewer, Korver, AK and Memo we are still a playoff team without Millsap, harpring and boozer.
IdahoJazzFan | 9:13 a.m. July 13, 2009
The collective bargining agreement should be modified to prevent deep pockets guys like Paul Allen (Microsoft founder and Blazers owner) from being able to front-end load a contract offer and thus make it 'toxic' to a team with NOT so deep pockets.

Something here seems decidely unfair.
lvman | 9:15 a.m. July 13, 2009
This Simmons guy needs to tone it down. He seems to think this is personal. Good for Paul. He got a great offer. More than anyone expected. That is how it works now whether you're a basketball player or an accountant. But to make this an attack on the Jazz just because they didn't offer all star money is childish and inappropriate. Perhaps they should let Paul go just so they don't have to deal with this idiot anymore.
Blauch | 9:21 a.m. July 13, 2009
Lunch Meat
The Jazz can only offer the Mid Level exception to David Lee - trust me when I say New York will match that. There is not a team in the NBA who wouldn't match a player who averaged 16 point and 10 rebounds a games for a season at 5.5 million a year. Not one.

Second THE JAZZ ARE NOT GOING TO BE A FREE AGENT PLAYER NEXT OFF SEASON - as soon as they offered Okur an extention - 10 million was added to the books the Jazz salary went to 48 million next season (that is only 10 million under the projected salary cap - which is way too low to get Bosh.) Also the Jazz have a first round draft pick, and Ronnie Brewer resigns - really the salary will be full and the Jazz will only have the Mid Level Exception.

Millsap Agent did fine - He is getting a 10 million dollar signing bonus. How can anyone say he is a bad agent. The Jazz offered around 5 years 35 million but now they will have to pay 4 extra million over 4 year. They Will Trade Boozer of a contract under 5 million.
This NBA Salary Thing Stinks | 9:22 a.m. July 13, 2009
Yes it is a business, does greed ever stop? I want all of your money regardless of where you are in the cap issuses, I don't care if there is any for my other teamates, I care only about ME! This attitude in these times my friends will end this tremendous climb the NBA has enjoyed the past 20 years. They get network contracts, who pays for the advertising? Right the fans and even non fans, they get new arenas-who pays for that- right the fans and citizens again, they sell junks clothing and sports items- who pays for that- right the fans again, the players sign endorsement contracts- who pays for that - right the fans and citizens. When is enough - enough? 75% of these primma-donnas didn't even excell in the free educations they recieved and now they want all of this money because they wear a JOCK? Give me a break!
Let him walk | 9:35 a.m. July 13, 2009
Let him go, get rid of Boozer and get someone who can actually help D-Will win a championship. I really don't think a team with the main players being D-Will, Okur and Millsap inspires much confidence for the future. The Jazz have to get someone else who has some size (sorry Millsap) on defense and can carry some of the offensive burden.
Anonymous | 9:59 a.m. July 13, 2009
Millsap and his uncle should go away...he's a second round draft pick that has improved his play...
he will never be a true impact player...just a nice NBA player...he doesn't have the skill set to be dominant player
Poggee is right... | 10:05 a.m. July 13, 2009
There is no fire in the belly in the Jazzland corporate office. Larry H. Miller kept it alive by his personal interest and management style. He was in the middle of everything it seems. Now, with him gone, the fire is out. Greg has other options when they come around, and it seems that it is not running an overpaid basketball team. Wait and see. Poggee is right. Capital preservation is what it is about. Sanity will rule when Sloan retires. Right now, it is all about Sloan. We are in the process of serving up the third and last of a series of retirement dinners.
which free agent forward | 10:25 a.m. July 13, 2009
would be ok shipping into utah/sloan? big baby - said yes, tyrus thomas - maybe, chris bosch - wishful thinking, david lee - no way. so many nba player bios list hobbies as "shopping & partying;" the only way utah works for most free agents is in a virtual reality game.
Groundhogday | 10:28 a.m. July 13, 2009
1) Jazz were clear throughout that they valued Millsap and would do everything possible to match any offers. How is this disrespectful? They should have offered a "fair" contract right off the bat? And what is "fair"? $10million/year that Millsap's agent was asking for?

2) Millsap has never even started an entire season. When he did start for extended period of time, his production declined with wear and tear. "Energy" guys are great off the bench but hard to maintain every game for an entire season.

3) Brandon Bass turned down Portland's offer to take less money from Orlando. Why? Because he wanted playing time that he wouldn't get playing behind Aldridge and Oden. That says something about Bass. That says something about Millsap.
jazz fan | 10:43 a.m. July 13, 2009
the thing i look @ is paul has been getting underpaid for 3 years so in my opinion it equals out!!!! congrats to paul for earning this deal i have met him in person & he is a standup guy for sure.
Uncle Rico is out of his league | 10:49 a.m. July 13, 2009
This Simmons guy sounds like he's walking around with a torch ready to burn any bridge he can. He sounds to me like a guy who is desperate and out of his league. I understand any agent will try to get all the money they can for their guy and that's what he wants but the difference between a professional and Uncle Rico here is how you go about getting that money. Lesson #1, get the fans on your side!!! That always increases your value. Simmons hasn't done anything to help in the #1 category of selling Millsap. Millsap was a lot better off before this guy started flapping off.
re: Wondering | 10:57 a.m. July 13, 2009
Your question of how much money do they really get paid, taking into account taxes and agent fees?

The max federal tax rate is about 36%.
The max Utah state tax rate is about 4%.
The standard agency fee is 6%.
The collective bargaining agreement NBA fee is 8%.

So the total of withholding is 54%.

So in reality, that 10+ million up front is really about 4.6+ million up front.

His so called 36 million dollar contract over four years is really 16.56 million dollars over four years, or 4.14 million dollars per yer.

AND IF YOU COUNT IN OBAMA'S NEW TAXES...

The new max tax rate will be 40%, and a 20% surcharge tax on millionares, will add 24% taken out from the contract.

So the total taken out of his check will be 78%!!!

His 36 million dollar contract over four years will yield 7.92 million dollars, or 1.98 million dollars per yer.

So all of you so people calling him greedy? He is just preparing for paying your "FREE" health care.

You should thank him, not chastise him!!!
Millsap Needs A New Agent | 11:16 a.m. July 13, 2009
Yeah, Simmons needs a reality check. He can't alienate the fans from Millsap, but he sure is trying.
Anonymous | 11:16 a.m. July 13, 2009
Why would the Jazz set a value and negotiate against themselves? This is a business. I love Milshap but his agent is just posturing. The whole "my feelings are hurt" or I am not given any respect is shallow at best. Utah gave Milshap his start and he came through for them. He will get his just reward one way or the other. The Jazz have every right to see what other teams feel his market value is before making an offer. There is little loyalty either way in the NBA so there shouldn't be any suprsie by the way this plays out.
No Brainer | 11:18 a.m. July 13, 2009
In spite of the front loading, matching Millsap's contract is a no-brainer. The annual salaries are only around 6.5 mill a year, a real bargain for a player with Millsap's skill set. Basically, for the price of Matt Harpring, we get a young, improving player that contributes greatly to the success of the team. Don't blow this decision Jazz management!

RE: Grounghogday | 11:19 a.m. July 13, 2009
Best comments of all - true and well put.
Also, Let Him Walk's comment above is accurate - DWill, Okur, and Millsap as your Big 3 is not good enough. My own point: The biggest mistake the Jazz have ever made was pointlessly paying AK max money - that is really why we are in this mess. And, everyone forgets that the Jazz elected to do this to keep AK happy - not because his contract was up or that someone else was offering him money - they were fools for not waiting "for the market to be set."
Fire O'Conner NOW!!!!!! | 11:20 a.m. July 13, 2009
Our potential front line.

A short/undersized 6'7" Millsap and 6'11" SOFT Okur.

This is the future of our franchise?

Going up against:

Portland: Aldridge/Odem

Lakers: Gasol/Bynum/Odom

Nuggets: Nene/Kmart/Birdman

Mavericks: Nowitski/Dampier

This just a few in the W.Conference...never mind the East.

Who honestly believes our future front line has a shot to CONSISTENTLY defeat these Bigger/Longer/Tougher front-lines?

Fire Kevin O'Conner NOW!!!!

Unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat by trading Carlos Boozer for a long/tall "real" big and lets Millsap go, then he is sealing this teams place MIRED in mediocrity for years to come.

What a pathetic GM!!!!!
Jed | 11:24 a.m. July 13, 2009
His agent acts like he is his dad...he takes it way too personal. Just good business by the Jazz. They shouldn't expect the Jazz to hand out 40 million like it is monopoly money. If it were me, I would let Millsap walk. I hope he enjoys his 10 to 15 minutes per game of playing time.
Milsap is NOT greedy | 11:32 a.m. July 13, 2009
Paul plays in the NBA. NBA players get paid a lot of money. Why should he be labled as greedy for wanting to get paid in his field of choice.
Mediocrity--We love it!! | 11:34 a.m. July 13, 2009
With Memo and Millsap as our front line we are signing a 4 year GUARANTEED deal for MEDIOCRITY!!

There is not a snowballs chance in you know where that we will get past the 1st or 2nd round of any playoff series with and even more undersized PF (than Boozer) and a soft Okur.

This offseason is just a joke!!

GET A REAL BIG OR GO HOME!!!!!!
It's a business | 11:39 a.m. July 13, 2009
One side knows it, the other side is finding out. Forget the "dissing" that Millsap's uncle is spouting.

The Jazz will make a deal they think will benefit the team (meaning ownership who pays the bills and gets paid). Of course, the Boozer trade wasn't all that great years back, but there's always another year.

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