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Kevin | 6:12 a.m. July 13, 2009
Odd letter. I thought it was the "liberals" and moderates that had
been leaving the GOP in droves, and that it was purely the conservatives left.
Oh wait! It's the social conservatives that are all that's left of
the GOP. And oh my goodness! It turns out those social conservatives are...
socialists! Well, how about those apples?
Roland Kayser | 6:14 a.m. July 13, 2009
When did the Reupubican part stand for all of those things? The top tax rate
under Eisenhower was 91%. When JFK proposed lowering it to 70%, Eisenhower
campaigned against it becasue it would lead to deficits. Barry Goldwater was
pro-choice and pro-gay rights. During both the Vietnam and Iraq wars, some
Republicans accused protesters exercising their free speech rights of treason. I
admit that Republicans always talk about less government spending, but they
never seem able to restrain spending when in power.
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poor logic | 6:26 a.m. July 13, 2009
This letter really fails the basic logic test. What is the difference if the
“conservatives” start a third party or the “liberal
republicans” set up a third party? Either way has the same effect of
splitting the republican party.
Your thinking is narrow. | 6:35 a.m. July 13, 2009
"Sadly, the Democrats have a solid base of people who are going to vote
Democrat regardless. They don't know what socialism is or what it will do
to our country. They just vote straight Democrat".
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The Soviet Union fell because they had narrow thinkers like you (person who wrote this letter to the editor).
They thought it had to be all one way, socialism. You think it has to be all one way, no socialism or all capitalism.
The best way is to take the best ideas and principals from both. As the United States currently does things, defense, police, roads, education are all socialistic, based on socialistic principals.
Business is modified capitalistic, by that I mean it is regulated.
Take away socialism in education and see how long this nation lasts as a great power, let alone socialism in the other areas I mentioned.
Socialism is a great invention, if not used in a wrong way. The same is true for capitalism.
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The Soviet Union fell because they had narrow thinkers like you (person who wrote this letter to the editor).
They thought it had to be all one way, socialism. You think it has to be all one way, no socialism or all capitalism.
The best way is to take the best ideas and principals from both. As the United States currently does things, defense, police, roads, education are all socialistic, based on socialistic principals.
Business is modified capitalistic, by that I mean it is regulated.
Take away socialism in education and see how long this nation lasts as a great power, let alone socialism in the other areas I mentioned.
Socialism is a great invention, if not used in a wrong way. The same is true for capitalism.
Anonymous | 6:41 a.m. July 13, 2009
Until the GOP heeds the warnings of Colin Powell when he tells them the radical
conservatives led by ilk like Palin and Limbaugh, are destroying their party
with their nasty style of politics.
The GOP might seriously start their comeback with a sort of kumbaya approach.
Seriously.
Their nastiness is getting them nowhere but a bad and disagreeable reputation.
The GOP might seriously start their comeback with a sort of kumbaya approach.
Seriously.
Their nastiness is getting them nowhere but a bad and disagreeable reputation.
Chris | 7:05 a.m. July 13, 2009
Colin Powell isn't a true Republican, and neither are any moderates. It is
about conservative values and holding true to them. It is about low taxes and
small Gov't. Any moderates who have run, lost their seats. Why? Becasue
they didn't hold true to their values, a reason they became elected in the
first place. So they suffered the fate those currently in office, should face.
It is based on following your principles, not popularity. In fact, it always
has been the Demos, or Progressives that are nasty. Learn where Republican came
from, and what rights they helped bring to pass, and you will have a hint.
camotim | 7:10 a.m. July 13, 2009
it is the RINO crap that got comrade barry elected
Bah | 7:19 a.m. July 13, 2009
If the best the Republicans can do is more neo-cons, ie: social conservatives,
like they have been offering lately I will continue to throw my vote away on
some obscure third party candidate. I'm done voting for the lesser of two
evils.
This is nuts | 7:24 a.m. July 13, 2009
Yes, the GOP needs to boil off all the moderates and leave a concentration of
conservatives, mostly flying some sort of religious banner. And, we all know
different religious factions can get along, no problem.
Agree and disagree | 7:37 a.m. July 13, 2009
We indeed need to take back the GOP. We need to take it back from the radical
far-right authoritarian extremists (NOT true conservatives) who hijacked it in
the early 1990s. We need to return it to its proper position in the political
spectrum -- center-right.
It's sad to think that Barry Goldwater, the man who defined conservatism and the far-right reaches of the Republican party in the 1960s, was considered libertarian and centrist at the time of his death. That shows how far the Republican Party was skewed.
Until the Republican Party returns to center-right where it belongs, it does not well serve this country or its members . . . and especially does not well-serve the true conservatives who have been ostracized because they do not buy into the far-right authoritarian dogma.
I WANT MY PATRY BACK!
It's sad to think that Barry Goldwater, the man who defined conservatism and the far-right reaches of the Republican party in the 1960s, was considered libertarian and centrist at the time of his death. That shows how far the Republican Party was skewed.
Until the Republican Party returns to center-right where it belongs, it does not well serve this country or its members . . . and especially does not well-serve the true conservatives who have been ostracized because they do not buy into the far-right authoritarian dogma.
I WANT MY PATRY BACK!
Anonymous | 7:37 a.m. July 13, 2009
So the letter writer think Capitalism is the only way. Well we have seen how it
has failed these past 8 years and who is kidding who about low taxes - this
writer is very shallow and comes across as very ignorant of how a mixture of
both capitalism and socialism is healthy for a society and there are many
throughout the world. Capitalism in total reflects the greed and selfish of a
few and has proven very unhealthy for society - look at the past 8 years or
better still lets go back to when Daddy Bush was pushing World Order and I do
believe his Daddy was a supporter of Nazism? yep that's all we need
liberal larry | 7:41 a.m. July 13, 2009
It is really a shame that the conservatives of my father are no longer around.
They were a moral, hard working, fiscally conservative, "live and let
live" group, that governed from a pragmatic, reasonable, standpoint. They
would have been a responsible counter balance to the excesses of the liberal
left. Unfortunately the conservative movement has breed a bunch of
anti-intellectual, ideologues that can't govern themselves out of a paper
bag. (see George Bush, Dick Cheney) I hope conservatives, like Colin Powell,
come back soon, the country desperately needs them!
Confession | 7:45 a.m. July 13, 2009
To my everlasting shame I voted for Dubya in 2000. I now deeply regret that. I
didn't vote for President in 2004.
Obama got my vote last year - It'll be interesting to see how his first term in office goes.
The notion that this current incarnation of the GOP, led as they are by circus ringmasters, bible-thumpers and intellectual featherweights, is sadly laughable.
Will the "conservative" movement ever again genuinely care about preserving the rights of individuals as outlined in the Bill of Rights? I'm not holding my breath.
Obama got my vote last year - It'll be interesting to see how his first term in office goes.
The notion that this current incarnation of the GOP, led as they are by circus ringmasters, bible-thumpers and intellectual featherweights, is sadly laughable.
Will the "conservative" movement ever again genuinely care about preserving the rights of individuals as outlined in the Bill of Rights? I'm not holding my breath.
Grover | 8:01 a.m. July 13, 2009
The "ethnic cleansing" of RINOs from the party displays for all to see
that the Pubs are controlled by a faction with a narrow right focus. They are
more concerned with the purity of the concept than politics. These incidentally
are the same folks who will never support the election of Mitt Romney.
A question | 8:07 a.m. July 13, 2009
Who do you wish to take the party back from?
Did someone who is incharge of the Republican party do something wrong?
I am interesting in some one articulating the answers to the above two questions.
Did someone who is incharge of the Republican party do something wrong?
I am interesting in some one articulating the answers to the above two questions.
RedShirt | 8:17 a.m. July 13, 2009
To "liberal larry | 7:41 a.m." we need conservatives that are better
than Colin Powell. We need a George Washington type, or conservatives that are
more like our founding Fathers, who stood up to the Brittish Government and
fought for freedom from an oppressive government.
Dave | 8:30 a.m. July 13, 2009
I agree with the opinion writer. Ronald Reagan won two terms, not by trying to
be all things to all people (big tent), but by living and governing by the true
principles of conservatism the writer espouses. Republicans lose when they try
to "out liberal" the liberals. As politics are now, the vast majority
of the American people are virtually disenfranchised. The "choice"
between Obama and McCain was really no choice at all.
What is needed is an alternative to the politics as usual Washington crowd. You would be surprised how many Americans would vote for a person who voiced and then stayed true to his principles.
What is needed is an alternative to the politics as usual Washington crowd. You would be surprised how many Americans would vote for a person who voiced and then stayed true to his principles.
Anonymous | 8:37 a.m. July 13, 2009
Fiscal conservatism has momentum and can make a comeback. Unfortunately the GOP
has been taken over by social conservatives who just want to force their evil
lifestyle on everyone. You want to cut spending and work to get back to a
balanced budget? I will help. You want bring daily prayer back to schools and
pass amendments against gay marriage? I will fight you all the way.
Oh Sure! | 8:39 a.m. July 13, 2009
Like the Utah Sheep-like GOP don't just check the "straight Republican
box" on their ballots.
C'mon! But you are correct in that the republican party as we knew it is dead. Gone. Festering.
They will really have to shore up their list of candidates if they want us to believe.
McCain, Palin, Romney, have all proven themselves unworthy and unstable.
The GOP needs a new face, a new icon. They don't have it.
RIP GOP.
MT
C'mon! But you are correct in that the republican party as we knew it is dead. Gone. Festering.
They will really have to shore up their list of candidates if they want us to believe.
McCain, Palin, Romney, have all proven themselves unworthy and unstable.
The GOP needs a new face, a new icon. They don't have it.
RIP GOP.
MT
wallofvoodoo | 8:43 a.m. July 13, 2009
The ultra conservatives have left the party & formed a third party. It is
called the Constitution Party. They are like the Republicans without the
compassion.
Where is RedShirt? | 8:45 a.m. July 13, 2009
C'mon! Wake up! Time for you to jump in and blather and blah blah blah,
yada yada yada with your cookie cutter take on this.
Maybe he's on vacation.
Joey
Maybe he's on vacation.
Joey
Ultra Bob | 8:48 a.m. July 13, 2009
I agree. I want the conservatives to take the Republican Party back, way back,
Back to the dark ages where conservatism was born.
America has a chance to once again become a government of the people, by the people. That is if Obama doesn’t flub it and allow the Churches, Corporations and other conservative organizations block his way.
America has a chance to once again become a government of the people, by the people. That is if Obama doesn’t flub it and allow the Churches, Corporations and other conservative organizations block his way.
First Step | 8:55 a.m. July 13, 2009
At least the writer admits that the Republican Party under the leadership of GWB
was not supportive of small government, controlled spending, and freedom of
speech.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
Mike Richards | 8:57 a.m. July 13, 2009
What does a political party have to do with anything? Where in the Constitution
does it say that we need political parties?
We vote for representatives, not for a party. Sometimes a person's affiliation to a party, and a party's platform, eliminates that person for consideration as a representative, but party is not the object.
Finding and voting for good and honest representatives should be the goal rather than supporting a "party".
I would question the motives of those who would make us believe that we would be throwing away our vote if we do not vote for a party member. Just look at the mess that a two party system has gotten us into as a Nation.
Principles are not being discussed.
Party leaders in both parties have no qualms about coercing and bribing party members into supporting the party - at the expense of the people.
Let's face facts. The two party system is totally and irrevocably broken. The two party system has led America to the brink of destruction. It's time for fresh faces in Government, faces that belong to no party.
We vote for representatives, not for a party. Sometimes a person's affiliation to a party, and a party's platform, eliminates that person for consideration as a representative, but party is not the object.
Finding and voting for good and honest representatives should be the goal rather than supporting a "party".
I would question the motives of those who would make us believe that we would be throwing away our vote if we do not vote for a party member. Just look at the mess that a two party system has gotten us into as a Nation.
Principles are not being discussed.
Party leaders in both parties have no qualms about coercing and bribing party members into supporting the party - at the expense of the people.
Let's face facts. The two party system is totally and irrevocably broken. The two party system has led America to the brink of destruction. It's time for fresh faces in Government, faces that belong to no party.
GWB | 8:59 a.m. July 13, 2009
I was a Republican once, back when a man called Ronald Reagan was President.
Back then, Republicans stood for common sense, keeping government out of
people's lives and trying to let people pull themselves up by their
bootstraps.
If you remember, until 1973, there was no pro-life movement.
As I got older, I found out what a devil's bargain Reagan had made, the one that has now destroyed the party.
Reagan brought religious "social conservative" on the right into what was traditionally a fiscal conservative party in order to gain power. Unfortunately, the big business friendly profit driven fiscal conservatives only saw the pro-life people as an ignorant group that could be used to help their corrupt money making friends a lot of money.
Since the Reagan revolution:
has abortion been eliminated/made illegal? NO
has gay marriage been stopped? NO
have sodomy laws been overturned? YES
has creationism been made the standard for science? NO
Did Democrats take away your guns? NO
See, they threw you a bone every once in a while, but they never intended to overturn abortion. It was seen as a way to manipulate the uneducated religious fringe.
The fiscals have
If you remember, until 1973, there was no pro-life movement.
As I got older, I found out what a devil's bargain Reagan had made, the one that has now destroyed the party.
Reagan brought religious "social conservative" on the right into what was traditionally a fiscal conservative party in order to gain power. Unfortunately, the big business friendly profit driven fiscal conservatives only saw the pro-life people as an ignorant group that could be used to help their corrupt money making friends a lot of money.
Since the Reagan revolution:
has abortion been eliminated/made illegal? NO
has gay marriage been stopped? NO
have sodomy laws been overturned? YES
has creationism been made the standard for science? NO
Did Democrats take away your guns? NO
See, they threw you a bone every once in a while, but they never intended to overturn abortion. It was seen as a way to manipulate the uneducated religious fringe.
The fiscals have
KM | 9:05 a.m. July 13, 2009
Lets just give the repubs to the dems and call it a day. After all, one can
barely tell the difference between the two parties anymore.
Lets create a new party where ficscal and moral restraint are the platform of the party.
Lets create a new party where ficscal and moral restraint are the platform of the party.
A Libertarian | 9:11 a.m. July 13, 2009
When the Evangelical Right goes away then so will most if not all the GOP's
problems. Its that simple.
Mark B | 9:11 a.m. July 13, 2009
Chris 7:05 makes me laugh. Forget the last 20 years, he says. Look at how the
Party was founded. I doubt today's GOP could even get behind Lincoln.
Meanwhile, the RINO accusations fly, the Big Tent shrinks to the size of an
outhouse, and the entire organization fixes around a single word:
"NO". This, claims Chris, is following principles, not popularity.
Last I knew, winning elections was sort of related to popularity, but I could be
wrong.
Wrex | 9:13 a.m. July 13, 2009
Dear Melvin,
A sure way to keep the Democrats in power is for the GOP to continue swooning over Sarah Palin. Please, put her on the 2012 ticket. I beg you.
A sure way to keep the Democrats in power is for the GOP to continue swooning over Sarah Palin. Please, put her on the 2012 ticket. I beg you.
Hypocrisy | 9:18 a.m. July 13, 2009
Wow! How refreshing is this? Instead of Neocons blaming everything on Obama,
they're actually taking some responsibility themselves! This has got to be
a first people! Wow!
Finally, a GOP supporter confesses that Bush was a disaster. Finally, he agrees that the GOP has been hijacked by dirty loud AM radio commentators and fascist leaders.
The GOP needs solutions and needs them fast. Until the solve their own problems with identity, they'll continue to lose support in this country. They cannot rely on their biased media to drum up support. They cannot blame everything on a President who has been in office for 7 months. They need to look and see what has happened in the past 20 years(8 years especially), learn and change from it.
If the GOP wants to get their power back, then they'll need to CHANGE. America doesn't want these hick religious wachos like Palin, Hannity, and Limbaugh that hate education and love spending and warmongering. Unfortunately, the GOP will just stay the same. They never change(for the better).
Finally, a GOP supporter confesses that Bush was a disaster. Finally, he agrees that the GOP has been hijacked by dirty loud AM radio commentators and fascist leaders.
The GOP needs solutions and needs them fast. Until the solve their own problems with identity, they'll continue to lose support in this country. They cannot rely on their biased media to drum up support. They cannot blame everything on a President who has been in office for 7 months. They need to look and see what has happened in the past 20 years(8 years especially), learn and change from it.
If the GOP wants to get their power back, then they'll need to CHANGE. America doesn't want these hick religious wachos like Palin, Hannity, and Limbaugh that hate education and love spending and warmongering. Unfortunately, the GOP will just stay the same. They never change(for the better).
bye-bye GOP | 10:04 a.m. July 13, 2009
The modern American conservative movement is controlled by nasty, self-serving
people with radio shows, sponsors, authors, former Alaskan governors ...
The Limbaughites are nothing like the original conservatives and it shows at the polls again and again.
The Limbaughites are nothing like the original conservatives and it shows at the polls again and again.
Mike Richards for Prez! | 10:16 a.m. July 13, 2009
How good is that? Mike asking why indeed do we have political parties anyway?
All they do is criticize the other. We should vote for
individuals..people...people who have no reason to line the pockets of any other
select group. Those who look out for the common good, not the cliques and
peer-groups.
Government by the people has become government for the party.
Where is Ross Perot when we need him?
Alena
Government by the people has become government for the party.
Where is Ross Perot when we need him?
Alena
@Mike Richards | 10:18 a.m. July 13, 2009
I have to admit for the first time in a very long time I agree with everything
you said in your 8:57 am post, well done. I think it is long past the time when
people that have rationally voted party lines to take a more pragmatic approach
of insisting on the people running for office stand on their own merits and
ideas and push aside political parties. To bad it will never happen.
been away to long | 10:22 a.m. July 13, 2009
I think some of you must have been away for a while the far right now considers
even Reagan a RINO. It makes you kind of wonder who really has moved away from
the partied "core values," but it is good to see you back fighting for
your party.
cannibalistic | 10:25 a.m. July 13, 2009
The problem with those who believe folding their arms and refusing to go along
with any ideology but their own is they start to cannibalize themselves.
And this is what has happened to the Republican party.
And this is what has happened to the Republican party.
GWB | 10:26 a.m. July 13, 2009
"RedShirt" I love it when you say "We need a George Washington
type, or conservatives that are more like our founding Fathers, who stood up to
the Brittish Government and fought for freedom from an oppressive
government."
Sure, can't disagree with that, then you say "we need conservatives that are better than Colin Powell."
It is strange that you don't like a man that pulled himself up by the boot straps, became a hero fighting in Vietnam. He gets the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star, Soldier's Medal, Legion of Merit and 7 other military decorations.
Then in 1991 was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that led Operation Desert Storm that freed Kuwait.
Then he serves as the Secretary of State under George W. Bush.
If this man isn't idealogically pure enough for you Redshirt, it is easy to see why the GOP will stay a minority party for a long time.
Sure, can't disagree with that, then you say "we need conservatives that are better than Colin Powell."
It is strange that you don't like a man that pulled himself up by the boot straps, became a hero fighting in Vietnam. He gets the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star, Soldier's Medal, Legion of Merit and 7 other military decorations.
Then in 1991 was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that led Operation Desert Storm that freed Kuwait.
Then he serves as the Secretary of State under George W. Bush.
If this man isn't idealogically pure enough for you Redshirt, it is easy to see why the GOP will stay a minority party for a long time.
RedShirt | 10:36 a.m. July 13, 2009
TO "Hypocrisy | 9:18 a.m." the GOP does need to learn from the past,
but the you have the lesson that they need to lear wrong.
What they need to lear is that the US doesn't like it when somebody comes in and claims to be fiscally responsible, then spends like drunken sailor. Unfortunately this is the same lesson that the Democrats will have to learn starting in 2010.
The GOP also should learn, that if they claim to be conservatives, they should act like conservatives, and not try to out Democrat the Democrats.
What they need to lear is that the US doesn't like it when somebody comes in and claims to be fiscally responsible, then spends like drunken sailor. Unfortunately this is the same lesson that the Democrats will have to learn starting in 2010.
The GOP also should learn, that if they claim to be conservatives, they should act like conservatives, and not try to out Democrat the Democrats.
Hatuletoh | 10:37 a.m. July 13, 2009
Naw, I think the GOP should continue to pander to the lowest common denominator
of fear to win elections, then once in power, greatly expand the size of the
government to the sole benefit of themselves and their allies.
Mike Richards | 10:55 a.m. July 13, 2009
@ 10:34,
Let's look at the results. Is America closer to Constitutional principles now than it was when Bush, Clinton and Perot were running?
Has anything good or bad happened to America or Americans during that time? Has America been attacked? Have there been wars? Has there been economic collapse?
What are the solutions being offered today? More Government? Sign-before-reading legislation? Continual crisis state-of-mind? Trillion dollar "stimulus" packages? Trillion dollar "health care" packages? Trillion dollar carbon-credit packages?
Is there a thinking voter who can honestly say that we are headed in the right direction, that our Congress legislates Constitutionally allowed laws, that our judges apply the law according to the Supreme Law of the land without bending and twisting every decision, that our President promotes of Freedom, Liberty and personal responsibility?
The problem is clearly before us. We are being led down the primrose path by fast-talking party partisans who look no further than their next election. Shame on them for lying to us as they preserve their power and influence. Shame on us for believing one word that they have said.
Let's look at the results. Is America closer to Constitutional principles now than it was when Bush, Clinton and Perot were running?
Has anything good or bad happened to America or Americans during that time? Has America been attacked? Have there been wars? Has there been economic collapse?
What are the solutions being offered today? More Government? Sign-before-reading legislation? Continual crisis state-of-mind? Trillion dollar "stimulus" packages? Trillion dollar "health care" packages? Trillion dollar carbon-credit packages?
Is there a thinking voter who can honestly say that we are headed in the right direction, that our Congress legislates Constitutionally allowed laws, that our judges apply the law according to the Supreme Law of the land without bending and twisting every decision, that our President promotes of Freedom, Liberty and personal responsibility?
The problem is clearly before us. We are being led down the primrose path by fast-talking party partisans who look no further than their next election. Shame on them for lying to us as they preserve their power and influence. Shame on us for believing one word that they have said.
GOP values | 11:00 a.m. July 13, 2009
"War is good for the economy!" Shouts the GOP.
So a preemptive war is started based on faulty intelligence (aka LIES(.
Problem is the only people who profit from the deaths and carnage (on both sides) are people like Dick and Lynne Cheney (former CEO's of Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)
Now, isn't THAT a coincidence?
LOL!
So a preemptive war is started based on faulty intelligence (aka LIES(.
Problem is the only people who profit from the deaths and carnage (on both sides) are people like Dick and Lynne Cheney (former CEO's of Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)
Now, isn't THAT a coincidence?
LOL!
Jack M. | 11:14 a.m. July 13, 2009
RedShirt won't be happy until every state is red and every citizen LDS.
Kyra
Kyra
Ernest T. Bass | 11:41 a.m. July 13, 2009
As long as extremists are controlling the GOP, the GOP will continue to be
insignificant.
The only thing that will save the GOP is to moderate. Since Reagan the GOP hasn't been about small government and controlled spending. Their spending is out of control, with the GOP presidents running up MASSIVE deficits.
Get back to low taxes and small spending and maybe you'll get back to a position of power.
The only thing that will save the GOP is to moderate. Since Reagan the GOP hasn't been about small government and controlled spending. Their spending is out of control, with the GOP presidents running up MASSIVE deficits.
Get back to low taxes and small spending and maybe you'll get back to a position of power.
RedShirt | 11:51 a.m. July 13, 2009
To "GOP values | 11:00 a.m. " which is it, is war good for the economy
or not? Liberals often state that it was WWII that brought us out of the
depression.
So, which is it, is war good for the economy or not. If you say it isn't, then WWII did not help the US out of the depression. If WWII got us out of the depression, then apparently it has a history of being good for the economy.
So, which is it, is war good for the economy or not. If you say it isn't, then WWII did not help the US out of the depression. If WWII got us out of the depression, then apparently it has a history of being good for the economy.
Anonymous | 11:54 a.m. July 13, 2009
"And oh my goodness! It turns out those social conservatives are...
socialists! Well, how about those apples?"
A conservative cannot be a socialist. They can be national socialist: ie. the Nazi Party. Fascism is conservative extremism and Socialism is extreme liberalism.
The only state run stores in America are the result of social conservative's need to control others alcohol use.
You won't find state run stores in San Francisco. You will see a lot of free agency.
A conservative cannot be a socialist. They can be national socialist: ie. the Nazi Party. Fascism is conservative extremism and Socialism is extreme liberalism.
The only state run stores in America are the result of social conservative's need to control others alcohol use.
You won't find state run stores in San Francisco. You will see a lot of free agency.
RedShirt | 11:55 a.m. July 13, 2009
To "Jack M. | 11:14 a.m." what, you can't think of anything to
say against what I have said, so you just go for the cheap shot?
Do you like being taxed without representation? Do you like the fact that many of the grievances that the Founding fathers had against England can be applied to our current Federal Government today?
If being a red state is bad, why is it that the states with the highest unemployment are blue states, and the states with the least financial problems are red states?
Seems to me, that if you look at the states that are doing the best, the majority are red states, so from a financial point of view, why would you want to be in a blue state?
Do you like being taxed without representation? Do you like the fact that many of the grievances that the Founding fathers had against England can be applied to our current Federal Government today?
If being a red state is bad, why is it that the states with the highest unemployment are blue states, and the states with the least financial problems are red states?
Seems to me, that if you look at the states that are doing the best, the majority are red states, so from a financial point of view, why would you want to be in a blue state?
wallofvoodoo | 12:35 p.m. July 13, 2009
Red Shirt, while that is true I think most people take exception to the
priorities of the Red states. I think California got out of control, but being
the most "wired" stae in the union a truly worthy goal. How about the
most insured state or the state with living wages. How about a long shot of the
state with the tightest ethics rules in the union. It is fine to be fiscally
responsible, but it makes no sense when most of it is spent on pork.
GWB | 1:03 p.m. July 13, 2009
Hey Redshirt, why is it that when you look at the states that take the most from
the federal government, you know those that take more than they pay in, 9 out of
10 are red states and of those that pay more than they get back, 8 of 10 are
Blue states.
How come Republicans complain about welfare, but are sure happy taking more than their fare share of the Government pie?
Perhaps that explains why the states with the biggest fiscal problems at the moment are blue states is because the blood sucking red states.
Perhaps that is why the red states are doing better.
How come Republicans complain about welfare, but are sure happy taking more than their fare share of the Government pie?
Perhaps that explains why the states with the biggest fiscal problems at the moment are blue states is because the blood sucking red states.
Perhaps that is why the red states are doing better.
too much time on his hands | 1:06 p.m. July 13, 2009
I think Redshirt has way too much time on his hands.
It appears in his boredom, he likes to argue every point, every subject, everything.
Try a hobby RedShirt.
It may do wonders for you.
It appears in his boredom, he likes to argue every point, every subject, everything.
Try a hobby RedShirt.
It may do wonders for you.
Take back GOP to what? | 1:10 p.m. July 13, 2009
"Can we continue to listen to Rush Limbaugh? Is this really the kind of
party that we want to be when these kinds of spokespersons seem to appeal to our
lesser instincts rather than our better instincts?"
- GOP guy Colin Powell.
- GOP guy Colin Powell.
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I fail to see how the GOP will win future elections by segregating into a Conservative only group. Frankly, without the Moderates involvement, the numbers (votes) simply won't be there.
If Democrats continue to divert Moderates to their cause, the GOP will continue to lose. So, the goal should be to build a Big Tent - not downsize. That will entail the ability to tolerate diversity and dissention within the ranks.