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"So calling yourself a group is putting the cart before the horse. First you need to be able to tell us how you can tell if people are Gay."
Since when do civil rights depend on scientific and DNA evidence that a person is a human being?
Our Constitution protects YOUR civil rights against infringement on the unfair basis of your religion. Tell me, how can you tell if you are Mormon? If you SAY you are Mormon, then you cannot be discriminated against on that basis! So YOU already prove your own (stupid) requirements: Ask a gay person if they are gay. If they say "yes" then you cannot discriminate against them based on their sexual preference.
Is that too difficult for your puny brain to handle? Go get genetic testing, and if you are a member of a group of Down's syndrome people, then we will cut you some intellectual slack. Otherwise, admit you are being stupid and move on.
Enough said.
No.
We soon shall see individuals and organisations bringing law-suits against the so-called bigoted mormon church because the mormon church has a set of beliefs that it claims to have against a certain life-style.
So, I am wondering, when will Chevez Regal or Marlboro bring charges against the mormon church because the mormons don't believe in drinking whiskey and smoking?
Now I doubt the KKK feels much different about Gays but I have not heard or saw anyone in the Mormon church say Gays should not vote or should be deported yet they are in front of their door instead of the KKK.
Talk about double talk. If the Mormons are actively removing your rights should have not asked for a federal investigation instead of a kiss in? If they are actively taking away your rights that is against federal law.
Polygamy, Incest, beastiality are all illegal. You can and should discriminate against those who are breaking the law. Homosexuality is not illegal.
There is the main difference.
The more this gay hate attack on the 97% - 99% of the population unfolds, the more the gay hate attack focuses on religious organizations such as the LDS and Catholics, the less respect and less tolerance I, and many others have for ALL gays.
Having a hard time with why responsible gays - if indeed there are such - do not denounce the actions of the gay haters who provoke, attack, and spew their hate.
Jordan
Is it beacuse you are one of the gay-hate spammers who posts under a variety of names in order to appear that there a number of people who share ytour misguided opinions?
Is it because you don not know or understand logic?
Is it because you do not want your friends to laugh at you for showing ignorance in not being able to post a coherent thought?
Is it because you have no rational answer and defense for the irresponsible hate posted by the gay defenders of the provocateurs who profaned Temple Square?
Jordan
So that argument just does not wash. The only argument that does wash is pursuit of happiness which means you have as much right as me, the polygamist, the incest, bestiality or anyone else to pursue happiness. And laws contrary to that are contrary to the spirit of the constitution. Although the Supreme court thus far has decided to late the states decide which behavior will be protected or not. So do not think you are in too different a position then they are.
There is no god so your argument means nothing. Being gay is not illegal in any state. Where do you get your information? I think you just make things up because you don't have a leg to stand on. Your outmoded thinking will go the way of the dinousaurs. You know dinosaurs, the creatures that existed millions of years ago before man evolved.
In the civil rights struggle they did that. They sat at the counter politely not making a scene and not doing anything to get attention. That is the part of the lesson Gays forgot. Besides trying to claim violation of rights where it takes two people to make a case is bordering on the insane. I don't expect you to answer the discrepancy just for you to call me stupid for even bringing it up.
Read Lawrence v. Texas and what the Supreme Court decided.
Homosexuality is NOT ILLEGAL in any state of the Union. Please catch up with what is real.
Remember individual is what the founding fathers envisioned. I know you are going to say well "our" but really rights are individually assigned. Benefits are the only thing we have in our system that takes two people to recognize. Let's say you are going to be celibate the rest of your life what right do you not have in your new celibate life style that others have? I left a bunch of free space below for you to list them. But I think this is all the space you will need. _____.
"Therefore, No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
And you believed her? Lesbians do NOT contract AIDS through sex. They actually have the LOWEST STD rate of any sexually active group, including married heterosexuals!
This story is very far fetched unless all her lesbian friends were intro veinous drug users and shared needles, which has nothing to do with being homosexual.
You need to get an education and not believe everything you hear.
Marriage is a privilege that is given by the state. No state should pass any law that abridges the privileges of any citizen of the United States. As a United States citizen, you passed a law abridging my right to marry.
OK? Simple enough?
What does Saudi Arabia has to do with anything? What a lame argument! I live in the US and it is here that I will push for my rights. Why don't you build a LDS temple in Saudi Arabia (See, very silly argument)
That argument was dismissed with Loving v. Virginia. People like you were arguing that Blacks and Whites both had the same rights - they could marry someone of their own race! The Supreme Court said Marriage is a right. You should be able to marry the one you love.
"What right you want that you don't have in civil unions?"
Do you live in Utah? There is a little thing here called Amendment 3 that states that civil unions betweens gays are ILLEGAL! If only I could even get a civil union...
There is nothing about men marrying women either. It just talks about "marriage."
loving v. virginia:
“ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."
Read Iowa's Supreme Court decision. It agrees with Loving v. Virginia that it is a 14th amendment right.
"My generation was bitterly divided over something that should have been so clear and right. The majority believed that what the judge said, that it was God’s plan to keep people apart, and that government should discriminate against people in love. But I have lived long enough now to see big changes. The older generation’s fears and prejudices have given way, and today’s young people realize that if someone loves someone they have a right to marry.
...not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the “wrong kind of person” for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights."
"What rights are you talking about? I assume it is not marriage because everyone has the right to marry."
To the person that they want to? Like Loving v. Virginia, they were allowed to marry the person that they wanted to.
What legal reasons do you have to keep two loving, committed gay people from marrying each other?
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How about two women holding hands and/or two men holding hands with a big circle around it and a big diagonal line through it. I would understand that sign.