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Anonymous | 3:38 p.m. July 14, 2009
"Put a Sign up saying No Same Sex Affection of any Kind allowed. Either that or wall the doggone thing up. "

How about two women holding hands and/or two men holding hands with a big circle around it and a big diagonal line through it. I would understand that sign.
To the lame "Waste" | 3:38 p.m. July 14, 2009
To Waste,

"So calling yourself a group is putting the cart before the horse. First you need to be able to tell us how you can tell if people are Gay."

Since when do civil rights depend on scientific and DNA evidence that a person is a human being?

Our Constitution protects YOUR civil rights against infringement on the unfair basis of your religion. Tell me, how can you tell if you are Mormon? If you SAY you are Mormon, then you cannot be discriminated against on that basis! So YOU already prove your own (stupid) requirements: Ask a gay person if they are gay. If they say "yes" then you cannot discriminate against them based on their sexual preference.

Is that too difficult for your puny brain to handle? Go get genetic testing, and if you are a member of a group of Down's syndrome people, then we will cut you some intellectual slack. Otherwise, admit you are being stupid and move on.
Waste | 4:30 p.m. July 14, 2009
To The Lame your name is fitting. Here is why. Everyone wants to be some group. Those of us who have valid provable claims get to be one. There are a million people who want special status. How are we supposed to judge who is going to have the protection of law? Your way is to base it off of popular opinion. But the law needs standards. We have to set standards on how people become protected groups or we will have ciaos.The separation of Church and State is just that separation. They do not ask for special benefits. They do not want the state to perform security at the church. They do not seek federal money to keep the lights on or federal aid of any kind. If you are saying Gays fit that description then I stand corrected. Ask a polygamist if he is a polygamist based on your logic I cannot discriminate against him or her either. He says it's natural I cannot prove it otherwise no more then I can prove your case. The same can be said of incest and bestiality, or Asexuals.
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give me break | 4:43 p.m. July 14, 2009
these homosexual groups are trying to provoke the LDS church so they can make some sort of statement they are being picked on. Give me a break! I don't like seeing two men kiss and I don't want to see them kissing in front of a church or temple that people consider holy. These homosexual groups are mocking all people of faith, and thier agenda for America is too destory every faith in America that opposes thier deviant life style, now YOU know it's true, I know it's true, but we are letting these idiots tie our hands behind our backs with thier promotion of the homosexual life style. I live in MA and these homosexual groups by passed the people's vote, including mine, and got the Statehouse to pass this gay marriage bill..We the people need to stand up stronger to these groups before they destroy every decent thing in America with thier flith. They are targeting our young school kids now, so watch out!
Roy | 4:46 p.m. July 14, 2009
Is there a big sign on the walkway that says "Private Property - No 'Inappropriate' People Allowed"??
COLORADOMAN | 4:48 p.m. July 14, 2009
MARRAIGE IS BETWEEN MAN AND A WOMAN ONLY NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS ABOUT IT. END OF STORY! GET OVER IT! MOVE ON! GAY PEOPLE NEED TO LIVE LIKE CIVIL PEPOLE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON DOES, GIVE RESPECT TO THE PLACES YOU ARE. IF YOUR AT A CHURCH NO CHURCH THAT I KNOW SUPPORTS GAY MARRAIGE, HAVE RESPECT WHEN AND AROUND ANY CHURCH PROPERLY. COME ON PEOPLE. IF I WENT TO A GAY PLACE AND BASHED GAY PEOPLE FOR BEING GAY I WOULD BE JUST LIKE YOU (IN SALT LAKE CITY)! I WOULD NEVER DO THAT NOR SHOULD YOU. THE 2 GUYS SHOULD HAVE KNOW BETTER ABOUT KISSING AT A PLACE WHERE GAYS ARE NOT SUPPORTED. DUH COMMION SENICE PEOPLE
Exactly. | 4:49 p.m. July 14, 2009
Yes. Let's all admit we are being stupid and move on. By arguing, we are giving the LGBT community exactly what they want: attention and sympathy for their cause. Conservative Utah is surely the last place that gay marriage will be legalized, let alone recognized. Sorry for the publicity.

Enough said.
Funny | 4:53 p.m. July 14, 2009
It's kind of funny that 'Waste' capitalizes the word, "gay." Their behavior doesn't deserve that kind of respect.
Immaturity  | 5:30 p.m. July 14, 2009
This immature behavior has got to stop. It only hurts the gays and their reputation. It does not hurt the LDS church. The gay rights movement has become hostile, arrogant, and hateful. The only gays that deserve protection are those not involved and that have respect for others. These protesters who stick up for ones who break the law like Derick and Matt are at fault for the damage done.
Rodney King | 7:05 p.m. July 14, 2009
Can't we all just get along? Really.

Anonymous | 8:46 p.m. July 14, 2009
To Rodney,

No.
george | 1:40 a.m. July 15, 2009
Can a church or organisation have a set of rules that they live by, or must it always be pathetically-labeled polically correct?

We soon shall see individuals and organisations bringing law-suits against the so-called bigoted mormon church because the mormon church has a set of beliefs that it claims to have against a certain life-style.

So, I am wondering, when will Chevez Regal or Marlboro bring charges against the mormon church because the mormons don't believe in drinking whiskey and smoking?
Darlene Wilcox | 2:32 a.m. July 15, 2009
Hey did you know that there was a Kiss in in Puebla Mexico also...There they made it illegal, a ticketable offence to kiss because they didn't want lesbians kissing in public, so the anual lesbian march stopped mid march to kiss...
TJustSaying | 5:40 a.m. July 15, 2009
The KKK actively petitions against minority equal rights. They do not believe minorities should vote would it be a good idea to have a Kiss In in front of their facility? Maybe we could accuse them of taking away minority rights because they actively seek not only to remove minority rights but hopefully deport all minorities.

Now I doubt the KKK feels much different about Gays but I have not heard or saw anyone in the Mormon church say Gays should not vote or should be deported yet they are in front of their door instead of the KKK.

Talk about double talk. If the Mormons are actively removing your rights should have not asked for a federal investigation instead of a kiss in? If they are actively taking away your rights that is against federal law.
Anonymous | 8:44 a.m. July 15, 2009
"Ask a polygamist if he is a polygamist based on your logic. I cannot discriminate against him or her either. He says it's natural I cannot prove it otherwise no more then I can prove your case. The same can be said of incest and bestiality, or Asexuals. "

Polygamy, Incest, beastiality are all illegal. You can and should discriminate against those who are breaking the law. Homosexuality is not illegal.

There is the main difference.
Re: Anonymous | 8:44 a.m. | 9:11 a.m. July 15, 2009
Homosexuality is not illegal, you're right. But refusing to leave private property when asked to do so IS illegal, and that is why they were cited for trespassing. If they would have left when asked, they wouldn't have been cited.
How strange! | 9:14 a.m. July 15, 2009
How strange it is that gays show no respect for those with different views, lifestyles, and while being in a small minority - studies repeatidly show gays to be no more that 1% - 3% of the population - demand that the majority adopt their actions as being something to celebrate.

The more this gay hate attack on the 97% - 99% of the population unfolds, the more the gay hate attack focuses on religious organizations such as the LDS and Catholics, the less respect and less tolerance I, and many others have for ALL gays.

Having a hard time with why responsible gays - if indeed there are such - do not denounce the actions of the gay haters who provoke, attack, and spew their hate.

Jordan
Anonymous | 10:04 a.m. July 15, 2009
Based on the comments by Jordan, TJustSaying, george and others, they apparently don't teach logic in the LDS Church or BYU! Too bad. I thought the glory of god was intelligence! There is no glory in Utah!
Uppity Gay | 10:18 a.m. July 15, 2009
So it looks like most of you folks are upset with the uppity gays. As long as we be quiet and stay in the closet then your comfort zone and view of the world won't be disrupted. Well I hate to break it to you, but I won't be in the closet, I won't sit at the back of the bus, and I will kiss my partner whenever and wherever I want to. You can be shocked, you can be dismayed, you can say that I am a sinner or worse, but I deserve the same rights that you have.
Re:Anonymous | 10:04 a.m. | 10:36 a.m. July 15, 2009
Why hide as "anonymous"?

Is it beacuse you are one of the gay-hate spammers who posts under a variety of names in order to appear that there a number of people who share ytour misguided opinions?

Is it because you don not know or understand logic?

Is it because you do not want your friends to laugh at you for showing ignorance in not being able to post a coherent thought?

Is it because you have no rational answer and defense for the irresponsible hate posted by the gay defenders of the provocateurs who profaned Temple Square?

Jordan
Anonymous | 11:02 a.m. July 15, 2009
Anonymous are you familiar with the term "But for the Grace of God Goes I"?, I think not? Being Gay is illegal in some states. And being Gay was illegal in far more places in the past you are simply one law away from it happening again. States voted in 2004 to remove yet more rights from Gays. Being Gay is breaking the law in certain states are you going to tell those Gays to stop breaking the law?
So that argument just does not wash. The only argument that does wash is pursuit of happiness which means you have as much right as me, the polygamist, the incest, bestiality or anyone else to pursue happiness. And laws contrary to that are contrary to the spirit of the constitution. Although the Supreme court thus far has decided to late the states decide which behavior will be protected or not. So do not think you are in too different a position then they are.
Santa Claus | 11:22 a.m. July 15, 2009
Re: Anonymous at 11:02
There is no god so your argument means nothing. Being gay is not illegal in any state. Where do you get your information? I think you just make things up because you don't have a leg to stand on. Your outmoded thinking will go the way of the dinousaurs. You know dinosaurs, the creatures that existed millions of years ago before man evolved.
Waste | 11:29 a.m. July 15, 2009
You would have a far stronger case Anonymous if you were claiming Housing discrimination, Job discrimination, voting discrimination, discrimination at a restaurant, Being paid less then straights, Discrimination in college admissions, discrimination of hospital treatment, being beat up for being Gay, and this would sound better if the church simply asked you to leave for being Gay not doing anything but politely sitting around minding your own business.

In the civil rights struggle they did that. They sat at the counter politely not making a scene and not doing anything to get attention. That is the part of the lesson Gays forgot. Besides trying to claim violation of rights where it takes two people to make a case is bordering on the insane. I don't expect you to answer the discrepancy just for you to call me stupid for even bringing it up.
RE: Santa Claus  | 11:50 a.m. July 15, 2009
Before you call people dinosaurs keep in mind no state has voted FOR Gay Marriage yet. Gays have done back room deals that are probably going to make sure that there is going to be a whole lot of CHANGE in 2010. If liberal California is not down with it how do you think the rest of the country feels about it? If my thinking is such like a dinosaur let's put it to a national vote???? We will see who is dying out I do not talk the talk I walk the walk. Put up what you got I am willing to abide by the vote what say you? You scared of a dinosaur? You feel lucky Well DO YA?
@COLORADOMAN | 12:07 p.m. July 15, 2009
you know what they say about mean that have to SHOUT about their heterosexuality right?
Anonymous | 12:19 p.m. July 15, 2009
"Being Gay is illegal in some states. And being Gay was illegal in far more places in the past you are simply one law away from it happening again. States voted in 2004 to remove yet more rights from Gays. Being Gay is breaking the law in certain states are you going to tell those Gays to stop breaking the law?"

Read Lawrence v. Texas and what the Supreme Court decided.

Homosexuality is NOT ILLEGAL in any state of the Union. Please catch up with what is real.
RE:@COLORADOMAN | 12:24 p.m. July 15, 2009
Well do you know what they say about men who SHOUT about their homosexuality? Keep in mind it is not us that are asking to call our relationships the same as Gays. Remember it's you guys that are trying to be just like Mike. You wanna be like Mike. Like Mike if you could be like Mike.
Santa Claus | 12:44 p.m. July 15, 2009
The United States of America is a republic. The founding fathers were well aware that the majority was capable of running over the rights of the minority and that is why we have a Bill of Rights. A large proportion of americans can believe that there is a god or that homosexuality is wrong, but they cannot vote to take away my rights because I feel differently than they do.
bwinla | 1:00 p.m. July 15, 2009
Odd they never get after all the couples who make out after walking out of the temple. Too bad the city government was corrupt in allowing that church to buy that once public street and make it private. Shows the lack seperation in Utah between church and state.
Anonymous | 1:41 p.m. July 15, 2009
We are doing Something like this in Minneapolis. People just need to see it and we need to come out and be cool with our self's ;0) Search Facebook for Big Gay Kiss on the Mall.
Re: Santa Claus | 1:53 p.m. July 15, 2009
Except that they can. Unless a "right" is specifically mentioned in the Constitution, or is a universal right that everybody in the population has, it can be granted or taken away with a single vote. Since the right to be married isn't a universal right, each state votes on what they feel is acceptable in their own society. Not one of the states has voted to accept homosexual marriage, because it goes against the standards for decency the society feels are acceptable.
Cindy | 1:53 p.m. July 15, 2009
Many years ago I knew a woman name Nancy who used to work at the same job that I was at. At the time, she was completely 100% straight. However she told me of her past of being totally gay and always pro gay activist while she lived in California. I asked her what made her change her lifestyle. She told me that she saw hundreds of her gay friends both male and female all die from the dreaded disease of aids. She was the only one who survived. She told me that she knew that God was trying to tell her that being gay and homosexual was not right. She turned her heart back to God and became a much happier person. I hope others will learn from Nancy and turn back to the way God would want them to be too.
Pink Sheep | 1:55 p.m. July 15, 2009
A second Kiss-in is planned at 12:15 this Sunday. Lets all go kiss our lovers on Main St Plaza!
Waste | 1:57 p.m. July 15, 2009
Santa Clause open your hears because you about to hear me say something you never thought I would. You know you're right. So what I need you to do is list for me your individual rights that are taken away by LDS or any other entity.

Remember individual is what the founding fathers envisioned. I know you are going to say well "our" but really rights are individually assigned. Benefits are the only thing we have in our system that takes two people to recognize. Let's say you are going to be celibate the rest of your life what right do you not have in your new celibate life style that others have? I left a bunch of free space below for you to list them. But I think this is all the space you will need. _____.
Santa Claus | 2:27 p.m. July 15, 2009
Here is a portion of the 14th amendment to the Constitution. Please pay particular attention to the last clause. It means I have the same rights as you do to assemble, to live, to love who I choose, etc.
"Therefore, No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Waste | 2:52 p.m. July 15, 2009
Santa you a Celibate Gay man what particular right is being in that amendment? I did not tell you to cite the constitution I just asked you to name the right a single Celibate Gay man is being denied. Basically you passed on the question I guess that means there are none.
NoRightToLove? Really? | 3:03 p.m. July 15, 2009
You want to know what right to love is, I tell you what. Go to Saudi Arabia have a Kiss In and tell me the results if you make it back. Now that is a state that is taking away your rights. Better learn the difference so we will not get all that Whine....
Santa Claus | 3:11 p.m. July 15, 2009
Why are you talking about a celibate gay man for? Where did that even come from? What we are talking about is my right to do the same thing that others are allowed to do without consequence. That is, kissing whomever I choose. Gay people are being singled out for being gay. You and I both know that hetero couples kiss and hold hands in that plaza and they are not asked to leave.
Anonymous | 3:17 p.m. July 15, 2009
"She told me that she saw hundreds of her gay friends both male and female all die from the dreaded disease of aids. She was the only one who survived."

And you believed her? Lesbians do NOT contract AIDS through sex. They actually have the LOWEST STD rate of any sexually active group, including married heterosexuals!

This story is very far fetched unless all her lesbian friends were intro veinous drug users and shared needles, which has nothing to do with being homosexual.

You need to get an education and not believe everything you hear.
Hey wasted! | 3:21 p.m. July 15, 2009
Since you cannot understand our constitution, let me try and put it in simpler words.

Marriage is a privilege that is given by the state. No state should pass any law that abridges the privileges of any citizen of the United States. As a United States citizen, you passed a law abridging my right to marry.

OK? Simple enough?
Anonymous | 3:29 p.m. July 15, 2009
NoRightToLove? Really? | 3:03
What does Saudi Arabia has to do with anything? What a lame argument! I live in the US and it is here that I will push for my rights. Why don't you build a LDS temple in Saudi Arabia (See, very silly argument)
Hey wasted! | 4:10 p.m. July 15, 2009
Wrong. Privileges do not have equal protection. If that was the case Polygamist would be marrying now. Your argument is not valid. The basic argument is that I can do nothing that you can't. And I can't. The same law that applies to you applies to me. Your choice is not a valid argument. You can marry to. I can no more marry a man then you can. How is the law being applied different? Now if made a law saying Gays cannot marry women but heterosexual men can then you would be in the right. But you not so get over it. Come at it from a different angle. What right you want that you don't have in civil unions? That is a more productive use of your time.
RE: Santa Claus | 4:03 p | 4:37 p.m. July 15, 2009
You know that is a specious argument. I am not able to kiss the one I love which happens to be the same sex. Gay couples are treated differently than hetero couples. And saying why don't you kiss someone of the opposite sex is like saying go kiss your grandma...it just isn't the same.
Anonymous | 4:57 p.m. July 15, 2009
" You can marry to. I can no more marry a man then you can. How is the law being applied different?"

That argument was dismissed with Loving v. Virginia. People like you were arguing that Blacks and Whites both had the same rights - they could marry someone of their own race! The Supreme Court said Marriage is a right. You should be able to marry the one you love.

"What right you want that you don't have in civil unions?"

Do you live in Utah? There is a little thing here called Amendment 3 that states that civil unions betweens gays are ILLEGAL! If only I could even get a civil union...

Re: Anonymous 4:57 pm | 8:59 p.m. July 15, 2009
You should try actually READING Loving v. Virginia before you make that comment. The actual law says that different races can marry each other, but it's also talking about men marrying women. There is nothing in it whatsoever about homosexual marriages.
Anonymous | 8:10 a.m. July 16, 2009
"The actual law says that different races can marry each other, but it's also talking about men marrying women. There is nothing in it whatsoever about homosexual marriages. "

There is nothing about men marrying women either. It just talks about "marriage."

loving v. virginia:
“ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

Read Iowa's Supreme Court decision. It agrees with Loving v. Virginia that it is a 14th amendment right.
Anonymous | 8:23 a.m. July 16, 2009
On the 40th anniversary of Loving v Virginia, Mildred Loving released this statement:

"My generation was bitterly divided over something that should have been so clear and right. The majority believed that what the judge said, that it was God’s plan to keep people apart, and that government should discriminate against people in love. But I have lived long enough now to see big changes. The older generation’s fears and prejudices have given way, and today’s young people realize that if someone loves someone they have a right to marry.
...not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the “wrong kind of person” for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people’s civil rights."
To Santa Claus | 9:29 a.m. July 16, 2009
What rights are you talking about? I assume it is not marriage because everyone has the right to marry.
Anonymous | 10:19 a.m. July 16, 2009
To Santa Claus | 9:29 a.m. July 16, 2009
"What rights are you talking about? I assume it is not marriage because everyone has the right to marry."

To the person that they want to? Like Loving v. Virginia, they were allowed to marry the person that they wanted to.

What legal reasons do you have to keep two loving, committed gay people from marrying each other?
Puh-lease! | 11:38 a.m. July 16, 2009
Have you ever seen a toddler throw a tantrum at the grocery store, or when they are told that it is nap time.. Well, that is exactly how the gay community is acting. Stop being a bunch of whiny, screaming babies! It's really getting old. All of your protests and whatever other dramatic production you can come up with isn't going to change anything, it just makes you look bad.

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Frank Armstrong, left, Daniel Lara, former Salt Lake Councilwoman Deeda Seed and Laura Bradford take part in "kiss-in'' Sunday near Main Street Plaza.

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