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ya know what's funny... | 10:11 p.m. July 12, 2009
I called the newspaper agency this morning and cancelled my subscription to
Deseret News this morning when I saw that headline. I just can't continue
to support a newspaper that has nothing better to do than go back in time 25
years and try to re-vive all that old news. I have been a faithful Deseret News
subscriber for over 25 years. It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm
a Ute fan, either. I just think that when you purchase a newspaper you would
prefer fresh news, not 25 year old stories.
Glory Days | 10:15 p.m. July 12, 2009
The article demonstrates what a weak football program BYU has. BYU has to remind us what happened a generation ago. BYU has had one national championship in 25 years, Oklahoma has had 2 since then, and Washington 1. Some of the 1984 BYU players are grandfathers. Bruce Spingsteen's song "Glory Days" definitely applies to the BYU football program.
reality | 10:17 p.m. July 12, 2009
MYTHICAL!!!!
Having spent my life outside the "Utah bubble", no on outside the "bubble" considers BYU a top tier team.
People outside the bubble consider BYU's national championship in the same vein as the saying that "even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut."
Face it, Rocky Mountain States and their football are nothing but flyover country for the powers that be. They never have and never will consider or admit any parity or power sharing until either the US Govt or the NCAA force the issue.
Having spent my life outside the "Utah bubble", no on outside the "bubble" considers BYU a top tier team.
People outside the bubble consider BYU's national championship in the same vein as the saying that "even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut."
Face it, Rocky Mountain States and their football are nothing but flyover country for the powers that be. They never have and never will consider or admit any parity or power sharing until either the US Govt or the NCAA force the issue.
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1984 BYU Football Pictures | 10:21 p.m. July 12, 2009
I thought that they had leather helmets back then. Learned something new today.
digbads | 10:30 p.m. July 12, 2009
Its interesting that 12 Pack brought up Washington. BYU beat Washington in
1985. They beat everyone who was unafraid to play them.
Anonymous | 10:55 p.m. July 12, 2009
Well, whether you like it or not, BYU actually has a claim to a national title.
They all have rings. They were honored by President Reagan. It was legit.
Whether you bitter Ute fans like it or not, BYU does have a national
championship to their name. Get over your inferiority complex.
re: digbads | 11:07 p.m. July 12, 2009
"Its interesting that 12 Pack brought up Washington. BYU beat Washington in
1985. They beat everyone who was unafraid to play them."
It's interesting you brought up 1985. Are you suggesting UTEP, UCLA, and Ohio State WERE afraid of the kitties that year since they BEAT the tdS? And was Baylor afraid in '83?
Washington, Colorado St, Oregon St, San Diego St, and UCLA must have been utterly PETRIFIED in '86 considering the tdS had been outscored 127-61.
Go zoobs!
And go zoobie logic!
It's interesting you brought up 1985. Are you suggesting UTEP, UCLA, and Ohio State WERE afraid of the kitties that year since they BEAT the tdS? And was Baylor afraid in '83?
Washington, Colorado St, Oregon St, San Diego St, and UCLA must have been utterly PETRIFIED in '86 considering the tdS had been outscored 127-61.
Go zoobs!
And go zoobie logic!
Red and Green | 11:56 p.m. July 12, 2009
with envy!
Utah fans should just get over their petty jealousy...
BYU 1984 did what no Utah football team has ever done: The Cougars went undefeated AND won a National Championship, finishing concensus No. 1 in EVERY significant poll of the day.
The Utes can be proud of their two BCS appearances, but any fan outside of Uteville will tell them that a BCS appearance isn't, and will NEVER be, equal to a National Championship!
Utah fans should just get over their petty jealousy...
BYU 1984 did what no Utah football team has ever done: The Cougars went undefeated AND won a National Championship, finishing concensus No. 1 in EVERY significant poll of the day.
The Utes can be proud of their two BCS appearances, but any fan outside of Uteville will tell them that a BCS appearance isn't, and will NEVER be, equal to a National Championship!
Sj Bobkins | 7:00 a.m. July 13, 2009
Two items not considered. First Michigan lost 6 starters for most of the season,
all were back for the bowl game giving them the same team that was a pre-season
top 10 team. Secondly. The only team that could lay claim to the tittle other
than BYU was Washington. BYU had a rebuilding year in 1985, and some horrible
losses, such as at El Paso when Norm was comatose, yet they put a hurting on
Washington 38-3 that few expected. UW had their entire team back, all their
skill players returned. IF you don't like BYU being #1, then give them the
right to play on New Year's Day, against Oklahoma, Switwer. The arguments
are simply nuts, BYU didn't lose, most of the so called super teams lost to
a patsy at some point in the season. A guy worked out a chart to show that BYU
beat teams that down a level or two beat the other contenders. Nobody has had
such a hard trip to #1, than the Cougs.
aj arizona | 8:53 a.m. July 13, 2009
Reality
There sure are alot of BCS teams who tout BYU being on their schedule, as a feather in their cap, for having no respect. As well as Utah, TCU, and Boise.
Arizona can't stop talking about beating BYU in a bowl game.
And I'm sure BYU was invited to play in Cowboy Stadium by ESPN, just for the heck of it. Not that 3 of ESPN's highest rated bowl games ever, included BYU.
Funny how so called BCS schools use a schedule with BYU, Utah, TCU etc. as a plus, (or even better a victory over them) when it suits them, but if they lose, it's just a non-bcs school.
Look me in the eye and tell me that Vanderbilt, Baylor, UConn (d-2 six years ago), Cincinatti, Wash. St., Northwestern, Indiana, Lousiville, Duke etc.. are more storied programs than a BYU.
And these schools get 2-4 million every year from the BCS, regardless of their record, and 56 non-bcs schools share 9 million, 56 ways.
I've seen BYU beat Penn St., Texas, Pitt, #1Miami,
Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas a&m, UCLA, Washington, etc.
They are not leagues apart.
I've watched
There sure are alot of BCS teams who tout BYU being on their schedule, as a feather in their cap, for having no respect. As well as Utah, TCU, and Boise.
Arizona can't stop talking about beating BYU in a bowl game.
And I'm sure BYU was invited to play in Cowboy Stadium by ESPN, just for the heck of it. Not that 3 of ESPN's highest rated bowl games ever, included BYU.
Funny how so called BCS schools use a schedule with BYU, Utah, TCU etc. as a plus, (or even better a victory over them) when it suits them, but if they lose, it's just a non-bcs school.
Look me in the eye and tell me that Vanderbilt, Baylor, UConn (d-2 six years ago), Cincinatti, Wash. St., Northwestern, Indiana, Lousiville, Duke etc.. are more storied programs than a BYU.
And these schools get 2-4 million every year from the BCS, regardless of their record, and 56 non-bcs schools share 9 million, 56 ways.
I've seen BYU beat Penn St., Texas, Pitt, #1Miami,
Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas a&m, UCLA, Washington, etc.
They are not leagues apart.
I've watched
RE: Sj Bobkins@7:00a.m. | 9:02 a.m. July 13, 2009
Excuse me Bobkins?? You state that Washington had their entire team back in 1985 when BYU beat them 38-3...Actually, Washington lost 17 seniors after the 1984 season. BYU's claim they could have beat the '84 Washington team because they beat the '85 team isn't an accurate comparison, just as the fact that Washington beat BYU 63-7 in 1986 isn't an accurate comparison(and it should have been 70-7 but Washington ran the clock out rather than take the ball in for a final touchdown).
And hopefully we won't have to read about how unfair the BCS is to BYU for at least another year after Oklahoma beats BYU on September 5th. When BYU starts winning rather than whining than it will be contenders for the national championship.
pj alabama | 9:30 a.m. July 13, 2009
Washinton was invited to play BYU in the Holiday Bowl in '84. They went to
the Orange instead, for more money.
Thus becoming the only team in NCAA history to turn down the chance to play the #1 team in the Nation for the National Championship.
Washington's claim to #1, died, when they declined to play BYU, they had their shot, but money was more important. They ducked.
They wanted to back door their way to the top. Sorry, Huskies, that was the blunder of a lifetime.
Oh by the way, the next year, BYU 31 Washington 3.
Different players, yes, and so were BYU's. Again, Washington had it's shot. BYU was bound to the Holiday by contract, Washington could have played anywhere.
And the Thugs of College Football have been ticked off ever since.
Thus becoming the only team in NCAA history to turn down the chance to play the #1 team in the Nation for the National Championship.
Washington's claim to #1, died, when they declined to play BYU, they had their shot, but money was more important. They ducked.
They wanted to back door their way to the top. Sorry, Huskies, that was the blunder of a lifetime.
Oh by the way, the next year, BYU 31 Washington 3.
Different players, yes, and so were BYU's. Again, Washington had it's shot. BYU was bound to the Holiday by contract, Washington could have played anywhere.
And the Thugs of College Football have been ticked off ever since.
Let's get this all straight | 9:33 a.m. July 13, 2009
The 1984 and the current BCS system produces MYthical National Championships.
Neither is sponsored by the NCAA. BYU was ranked #1 by every major polling
outfit of the day. The BCS bases its system on many of the same polls and a
complex computer system, all of which was rigged by the bigger conferences. In
some ways the old system was much superior because every team from every
conference had a legit shot to make it to the top, now even if a team like Utah
goes undefeated and beats the team that was ranked #1 for a good portion of the
season by a larger score than the eventual national champion which lost at home
earlier than the season they have no real hope to make it to the top.
The only solution is a 16 team tournament where every conference that sponsors a Division I program gets a shot (11 of the currently) and the top five at large teams are entered. Other than doing that, BYU's and Florida's last year are merely Mythical (and BYU did everything it needed to do under that system to be on top).
The only solution is a 16 team tournament where every conference that sponsors a Division I program gets a shot (11 of the currently) and the top five at large teams are entered. Other than doing that, BYU's and Florida's last year are merely Mythical (and BYU did everything it needed to do under that system to be on top).
Anonymous | 9:37 a.m. July 13, 2009
BYU-HAS-NO-NATIONAL-CHAMPIONSHIPS!
The NCAA website states: “The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.”
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the “deciders” of the college football “National Champion.” The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960’s, the AP voted on the “National Champion” before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the “National Champions.” This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of “National Championship” gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarin’s poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarin’s 1984 “National Champion”? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
The NCAA website states: “The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football.”
Into this void have stepped at least 36 self-appointed entities that have declared themselves the “deciders” of the college football “National Champion.” The AP poll is only one of many. Interestingly, until the mid 1960’s, the AP voted on the “National Champion” before the bowl games were even played!
Recent arrogance has been for whoever was AP and/or Coaches Poll number one to call themselves the “National Champions.” This has led to a series of absurd results, such as an abundance of “National Championship” gear for the year 2003 with both LSU and USC as claimants! In the 1984 AP Poll, BYU received only 38 of 60 first-place votes.
Jeff Sagarin’s poll has historically had the most credibility. Who was Jeff Sagarin’s 1984 “National Champion”? The Florida Gators! In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, including BYU! Even the NCAA recognizes the Gators as National Champions on their website!
Re: Re: Welcome to the table | 10:02 a.m. July 13, 2009
“However, remember that the invitations themselves are largely the results
of BYU's efforts.”
Utah, BSU, and Hawai’i received our invitations because we were undefeated, and met the BCS AQ requirements. It had nothing to do with you. From '01-'05, a non-BCS school had to be ranked in the Top-6. You were ranked #8 prior to your game at Hawai’i. That was not good enough. While the BCS SHOULD have waited until all the games had been played PRIOR to releasing the cougs, it didn’t end up mattering anyway as none of the teams ahead of the “why?” lost which would have been necessary for you to move into the Top-6. And THAT was assuming you’d beat unranked Hawai’i. Which you didn’t. Not even close. Losing to UH, and subsequently to #23 Louisville did not help your case as having been “victimized” by the BCS. You were unworthy. You have NEVER met the BCS AQ requirements. NEVER!
Typical zoob arrogance. You will NOT be welcoming us to the table as you have neither sat nor ever belonged there. You will be valet parking our cars outside instead.
Utah, BSU, and Hawai’i received our invitations because we were undefeated, and met the BCS AQ requirements. It had nothing to do with you. From '01-'05, a non-BCS school had to be ranked in the Top-6. You were ranked #8 prior to your game at Hawai’i. That was not good enough. While the BCS SHOULD have waited until all the games had been played PRIOR to releasing the cougs, it didn’t end up mattering anyway as none of the teams ahead of the “why?” lost which would have been necessary for you to move into the Top-6. And THAT was assuming you’d beat unranked Hawai’i. Which you didn’t. Not even close. Losing to UH, and subsequently to #23 Louisville did not help your case as having been “victimized” by the BCS. You were unworthy. You have NEVER met the BCS AQ requirements. NEVER!
Typical zoob arrogance. You will NOT be welcoming us to the table as you have neither sat nor ever belonged there. You will be valet parking our cars outside instead.
Anonymous | 10:16 a.m. July 13, 2009
Isn't the the University of Spoiled Children the Champs. Doesn't USC
have a better record?
So called championship | 12:27 p.m. July 13, 2009
I find it frustrating that an '84 Cougar team can go 13-0 and win a
"national championship" without playing one single team that finished
the season top 25 and played a 7-6 Michigan team in their bowl. Utah goes and
beats 4 teams that finished the season top 25 in 2008 (and two top 10) and still
doesn't get a shake. They also smoked everyone they played in 2004 with an
arguably better team. Even though Utah didn't get a championship out of
either of these, it's more impressive that what BYU did in '84 I
think. BYU's so called championship would never happen today, and it
didn't even really happen in '84...
RE: @5:54pm | 1:11 p.m. July 13, 2009
"The Utes only take a back seat to the cougars in Provo. Everywhere else
throughout the country, UTAH carries the banner for the MWC."????
Have you ever been out of Utah? Having lived the majority of my life outside of Utah, I can tell you that that comment could not be farther from the truth. I have attended many BYU games (football and basketball) on the east coast. At every game there were more BYU fans in attendance than the home team!! I never ever even saw a Utah game on TV but I saw plenty of BYU games! BYU has a larger fan base (numbers not weight) around the country than the U. The U is only relevant outside of Utah when they have a good year. BYU draws a crowd whenever and whereever they go even in a down year.
Congrats to Utah for a great year. I hope the MWC can produce another BCS buster this year!!!
Have you ever been out of Utah? Having lived the majority of my life outside of Utah, I can tell you that that comment could not be farther from the truth. I have attended many BYU games (football and basketball) on the east coast. At every game there were more BYU fans in attendance than the home team!! I never ever even saw a Utah game on TV but I saw plenty of BYU games! BYU has a larger fan base (numbers not weight) around the country than the U. The U is only relevant outside of Utah when they have a good year. BYU draws a crowd whenever and whereever they go even in a down year.
Congrats to Utah for a great year. I hope the MWC can produce another BCS buster this year!!!
Different Stripes | 1:19 p.m. July 13, 2009
an NCAA Championship is not necessarily the same as a Nationl Championship
in major college football, there's NEVER been an NCAA champion, but there have been over a hundred National Champions
including BYU!!!
in major college football, there's NEVER been an NCAA champion, but there have been over a hundred National Champions
including BYU!!!
Anonymous | 2:29 p.m. July 13, 2009
I just want to know 1 thing; What are they doing in 25 yrs for the Golden
anniversary?
unholy POW | 2:31 p.m. July 13, 2009
re: Nothin' But Victims at U | 2:06 a.m. July 12, 2009
//Let the brainwashing on the hill continue....//
Unlike the spin that happens down south?
It can't be denial because on some level it would be admitting that the U is good.
//Let the brainwashing on the hill continue....//
Unlike the spin that happens down south?
It can't be denial because on some level it would be admitting that the U is good.
@ 1:11 p.m. | 2:34 p.m. July 13, 2009
"Have you ever been out of Utah?"
Yes, I am a 38 yr old resident of Philadelphia. I've only lived in Utah for 8 yrs of my life; 2 of which was when I was an out-of-state grad student (from Texas) at the U.
"I have attended many BYU games...on the east coast."
I love how tdS fans always do a better job than I in illustrating how out-of-touch with reality you guys really are.
In the last 20 yrs, these are the ONLY 13 games you could have attended on the East Coast:
1988: @ Miami [L 41-17]
1989: @ Navy [W 31-10]
1991: Florida St [neutral site, L 44-28]
1992: @ Notre Dame [L 42-16]
1994: @ Notre Dame [W 21-14]
1998: (Memphis) vs Tulane [L 41-27]
2000: Florida St [neutral site, L 29-3]; @ Syracuse [L 42-14]
2001: (Memphis) vs Louisville [L 28-10]; @ Miss. St. [W 41-38]
2002: @ Ga. Tech [L 28-19]
2005: @ Notre Dame [L 49-23]
2006: @ Boston College [L 30-23]
You went 3-10 in these games, beating only Navy, ND, and MSU. That doesn't impress the locals.
Yes, I am a 38 yr old resident of Philadelphia. I've only lived in Utah for 8 yrs of my life; 2 of which was when I was an out-of-state grad student (from Texas) at the U.
"I have attended many BYU games...on the east coast."
I love how tdS fans always do a better job than I in illustrating how out-of-touch with reality you guys really are.
In the last 20 yrs, these are the ONLY 13 games you could have attended on the East Coast:
1988: @ Miami [L 41-17]
1989: @ Navy [W 31-10]
1991: Florida St [neutral site, L 44-28]
1992: @ Notre Dame [L 42-16]
1994: @ Notre Dame [W 21-14]
1998: (Memphis) vs Tulane [L 41-27]
2000: Florida St [neutral site, L 29-3]; @ Syracuse [L 42-14]
2001: (Memphis) vs Louisville [L 28-10]; @ Miss. St. [W 41-38]
2002: @ Ga. Tech [L 28-19]
2005: @ Notre Dame [L 49-23]
2006: @ Boston College [L 30-23]
You went 3-10 in these games, beating only Navy, ND, and MSU. That doesn't impress the locals.
1984 immortalized | 2:49 p.m. July 13, 2009
With each year that BYU is the only team outside of schools currently known as
BCS schools to get a National Championship, 1984 becomes more and more
significant.
I love when fans try to discredit 1984 to this day. It just makes it that much more respectable that the improbable, near impossible, actually happened. Our rivals give 1984 more props with their jealousy than we BYU fans could ever hope to give with our praise.
Thanks BYU for doing for college football what has never happened. Teams unranked at the beginning of the year should be able to be in the running for National titles. And if it never happens again, 1984 will be immortalized.
I love when fans try to discredit 1984 to this day. It just makes it that much more respectable that the improbable, near impossible, actually happened. Our rivals give 1984 more props with their jealousy than we BYU fans could ever hope to give with our praise.
Thanks BYU for doing for college football what has never happened. Teams unranked at the beginning of the year should be able to be in the running for National titles. And if it never happens again, 1984 will be immortalized.
@ 1:11 pm Zoob [part II] | 3:06 p.m. July 13, 2009
"At every game there were more BYU fans in attendance than the home
team!!"
Average attendance per listed tdS opponent vs. stadium capacity:
(1) Miami [45,935 : 75,000] 61.2% capacity
(2) Navy [34,775 : 34,000] 102.3.% capacity
(3) Notre Dame [80,795 : 80,795] 100.0% capacity
(4) Syracuse [33,474 : 49,262] 68.0% capacity
(5) Miss. St. [43,453 : 55,082] 78.9% capacity
(6) Ga. Tech [47,489 : 55,000] 86.3% capacity
(7) Boston College [42,438 : 44,500] 95.4% capacity
(8) Virginia [52.387 : 61,500] 85.2% capacity
*The 2 Florida St. games were played at neutral sites, but FSU always sold out their allotment.
**While I don't have the figures for ticket sales at either the '98 or '01 Liberty Bowls, it is doubtful that Louisville and Tulane had poor showings. It is also doubtful the majority of the tdS fans at those games didn't already live within 150 miles of Memphis.
***I erred in omitting the tdS' 38-35 W over UVa in '00, so I am correcting it here.
So...which one of those gamess were you at that had >50% zoobie fans?
Average attendance per listed tdS opponent vs. stadium capacity:
(1) Miami [45,935 : 75,000] 61.2% capacity
(2) Navy [34,775 : 34,000] 102.3.% capacity
(3) Notre Dame [80,795 : 80,795] 100.0% capacity
(4) Syracuse [33,474 : 49,262] 68.0% capacity
(5) Miss. St. [43,453 : 55,082] 78.9% capacity
(6) Ga. Tech [47,489 : 55,000] 86.3% capacity
(7) Boston College [42,438 : 44,500] 95.4% capacity
(8) Virginia [52.387 : 61,500] 85.2% capacity
*The 2 Florida St. games were played at neutral sites, but FSU always sold out their allotment.
**While I don't have the figures for ticket sales at either the '98 or '01 Liberty Bowls, it is doubtful that Louisville and Tulane had poor showings. It is also doubtful the majority of the tdS fans at those games didn't already live within 150 miles of Memphis.
***I erred in omitting the tdS' 38-35 W over UVa in '00, so I am correcting it here.
So...which one of those gamess were you at that had >50% zoobie fans?
Most People | 3:40 p.m. July 13, 2009
Are not into what you did yesterday, but more like what have you done lately.
Just how long does success last? Look out for what you might run into always
looking backwards, there are more hazzards out there today.
1:11 Zoob 3 | 3:57 p.m. July 13, 2009
"I never ever even saw a Utah game on TV but I saw plenty of BYU
games!"
As a Philadelphian, I don't have access to "The Mtn." However, I've seen PLENTY of Utah games on ESPN, ESPN2, CSTV, Vs, FOX, et al. and not just our Bowl games. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't aired. All it means is that YOU don't pay attention to any games played where the tdS isn't featured.
As a Philadelphian, I don't have access to "The Mtn." However, I've seen PLENTY of Utah games on ESPN, ESPN2, CSTV, Vs, FOX, et al. and not just our Bowl games. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't aired. All it means is that YOU don't pay attention to any games played where the tdS isn't featured.
the debate goes on | 4:07 p.m. July 13, 2009
...and probably will FOREVER as far as yoot fans are concerned. But the FACT
will always remain that the voters in 1984/85 FREELY chose to vote BYU #1. No
one held a gun to their heads. They had every opportunity to review BYU's
season and decide whether they were or weren't worthy to be National
Champs. And you have to admit there were some pretty dang good players on that
team. Not to mention a number of very good seasons leading up to that year plus
some Heisman candidates, etc. The voters decided they WERE good enough.
END OF STORY
END OF STORY
Anonymous | 4:07 p.m. July 13, 2009
"BYU has a larger fan base (numbers not weight) around the country than the
U. The U is only relevant outside of Utah when they have a good year."
It's true, there are more Mormons than U grads. But don't fool yourself. The tdS' fanbase is routed in religion, not athletic prowess or tradition. They're not so much sports fans, as they are Mormon fans. That's the same reason why Mitt Romney had such a landslide victory in the state of Utah, yet failed miserably most everywhere else, and even where he won a state primary, it was NEVER in the 90% range. Not even in his home state of Massachusetts.
You propose the U is only relevant in Utah, but a similar association can be made about the "why?" The tdS is only relevant to Mormons. Not ALL Mormons, but you really don't see any non-LDS kids sporting tdS shirts around the streets of Columbus, OH; Dallas, TX; Los Angeles, CA; or New York, NY. I DEFINITELY have never seen one in Philly.
Outside of Utah/Mormon circles, the tdS is associated with Mormons; the U with college football and BCS Bowls.
It's true, there are more Mormons than U grads. But don't fool yourself. The tdS' fanbase is routed in religion, not athletic prowess or tradition. They're not so much sports fans, as they are Mormon fans. That's the same reason why Mitt Romney had such a landslide victory in the state of Utah, yet failed miserably most everywhere else, and even where he won a state primary, it was NEVER in the 90% range. Not even in his home state of Massachusetts.
You propose the U is only relevant in Utah, but a similar association can be made about the "why?" The tdS is only relevant to Mormons. Not ALL Mormons, but you really don't see any non-LDS kids sporting tdS shirts around the streets of Columbus, OH; Dallas, TX; Los Angeles, CA; or New York, NY. I DEFINITELY have never seen one in Philly.
Outside of Utah/Mormon circles, the tdS is associated with Mormons; the U with college football and BCS Bowls.
1984 currently a top ten finish! | 4:28 p.m. July 13, 2009
Ute fans who don't recognize BYU's right to the 1984 National
Championship undermine their own claims for National title consideration and
respect.
Most BCS teams don't even enter the discussion of undefeated teams that deserve a claim to a National title, so those teams have no room to talk.
Here's the list of only 10 teams that went undefeated and won a National Championship (post 1900): BYU, Tennesee, Alabama, Nebraska, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami (Florida), Ohio State, USC, and Texas. Only two team's did it prior to 1990.
(In fact, it should be noted that in the BCS era, suddenly almost every year there is one undefeated team. Seems to me that named programs are scheduling down).
If your team was not mentioned directly in my comments, it is either because the BCS system excluded you from ever playing for the position of number one in the nation (even though you were undefeated), or your team wasn't good enough as proven on the field.
But 1984 places BYU on an elite list of ten programs. Any team not belonging to that list is just talk!
Most BCS teams don't even enter the discussion of undefeated teams that deserve a claim to a National title, so those teams have no room to talk.
Here's the list of only 10 teams that went undefeated and won a National Championship (post 1900): BYU, Tennesee, Alabama, Nebraska, Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami (Florida), Ohio State, USC, and Texas. Only two team's did it prior to 1990.
(In fact, it should be noted that in the BCS era, suddenly almost every year there is one undefeated team. Seems to me that named programs are scheduling down).
If your team was not mentioned directly in my comments, it is either because the BCS system excluded you from ever playing for the position of number one in the nation (even though you were undefeated), or your team wasn't good enough as proven on the field.
But 1984 places BYU on an elite list of ten programs. Any team not belonging to that list is just talk!
Cali Coug | 4:34 p.m. July 13, 2009
Re 12 Pack
What really is pathetic were the Yewets in 1984...they were 6-5-1 and got spanked by BYU 55 - 7. Now that my friend is pathetic!
What really is pathetic were the Yewets in 1984...they were 6-5-1 and got spanked by BYU 55 - 7. Now that my friend is pathetic!
Cali Coug | 4:53 p.m. July 13, 2009
1984
Brigham Young: AP, Football Research, FW, National ChampionshipFoundation *, NFF, Poling, UPI, USA/CNN
Florida: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Matthews, NY Times, Sagarin,Sporting News
Nebraska: Litkenhous
Washington: Berryman, FB News, National Championship Foundation
Looks like someone didn't provide all of the information or data on the No.1 ranked football team for 1984. Data copied from the NCAA's web site...someone is shading the facts...what do you expect from someone that attended the uou
Brigham Young: AP, Football Research, FW, National ChampionshipFoundation *, NFF, Poling, UPI, USA/CNN
Florida: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, Matthews, NY Times, Sagarin,Sporting News
Nebraska: Litkenhous
Washington: Berryman, FB News, National Championship Foundation
Looks like someone didn't provide all of the information or data on the No.1 ranked football team for 1984. Data copied from the NCAA's web site...someone is shading the facts...what do you expect from someone that attended the uou
Re: Cali Coug | 6:35 p.m. July 13, 2009
In 1984, your undefeated tdS team beat a 6-5-1 Ute team by only 10 pts. The
final score was 24-14. You don't know much of your own history do you?
Now that my friend is pathetic!
So was 48-24! SCOREBOARD!
Ha ha ha ha ha!
GO UTES!!!!
Now that my friend is pathetic!
So was 48-24! SCOREBOARD!
Ha ha ha ha ha!
GO UTES!!!!
Anonymous | 7:21 p.m. July 13, 2009
I was looking for an article from the Utes National Championships from 2004 and
2008 but I couldn't find anything.
Anonymous | 8:09 p.m. July 13, 2009
re: Cougs | 11:24 p.m. July 11, 2009
//The sleeping giant will soon be awake again//
It has been awhile since the University of Miami was truly in the hunt hasn't it?
//The sleeping giant will soon be awake again//
It has been awhile since the University of Miami was truly in the hunt hasn't it?
G. Orwell | 8:12 p.m. July 13, 2009
re:" Glory Days | 10:15 p.m. July 12, 2009
//Bruce Spingsteen's song "Glory Days" definitely applies to the BYU football program.//
What about 1984 by Bowling for Soup?
//Bruce Spingsteen's song "Glory Days" definitely applies to the BYU football program.//
What about 1984 by Bowling for Soup?
re: G. Orwell | 11:39 p.m. July 13, 2009
Nice try. It's 1985 as performed by Bowling for Soup. You fail.
Anonymous | 8:41 p.m. July 14, 2009
BYU's so-called "National Championship" is such a farce it is
embarassing! Nobody outside of Utah considers them the 1984 National Champions!
Only in the little bubble surrounding Provo-Orem is this belief given any
credibility. What a joke!
Oh, by the way, I have a degree from BYU! But that doesn't mean I drank ALL of the kool-aid! I still retained some sanity!
Oh, by the way, I have a degree from BYU! But that doesn't mean I drank ALL of the kool-aid! I still retained some sanity!
98 pound weaklings | 9:35 a.m. July 16, 2009
"I find it frustrating that an '84 Cougar team can go 13-0 and win a
"national championship" without playing one single team that finished
the season top 25 and played a 7-6 Michigan team in their bowl."
Quoted from above--these facts are why people still have an issue with the championship. Why not play high school teams, go undefeated and try it again?
Quoted from above--these facts are why people still have an issue with the championship. Why not play high school teams, go undefeated and try it again?
Workinglate | 3:11 p.m. Aug. 16, 2009
to the DN - please continue to publish articles like this one - I love to see
the Ute fans try to justify why BYU really wasn't crowned the National
Champion and #1 team in 1984. If people outside of Utah don't care about
BYU's national champtionship, they why are the Ute fans foaming at the
mouth, other than for the amusement of BYU fans.
Folks | 2:05 p.m. Aug. 28, 2009
That game in 1984 is the reason that we have the BCS today.
Has it ever occurred to any of you that if BYU had lost that game (which we almost did) that Michigan would NOT have been the National Champs.
It was NOT a National Championship game!!
Has it ever occurred to any of you that if BYU had lost that game (which we almost did) that Michigan would NOT have been the National Champs.
It was NOT a National Championship game!!
Anonymous | 8:55 a.m. Sept. 7, 2009
Lets get a grip on reality, this was only one win. Forget all of this talk
about turning the table, irony of 25 years from their last national
championship, etc. BYU is still an average team in a below average
conference.
OU had two All Americans out for this game. Stoops is responsible for getting his team up for a game, if his team wasn't motivated it is his fault. If OU played BYU again they would kill the Cougars.
Lets remember that BYU has lost many more bowl games than they win, they do not get prepared for the "big games".
BYU has a good defense playing with a less than average offense in a conference that is, for the most part, very average.
Grow up BYU fans, this is one win in a long season. If BYU did win the remaining 11 games they would have to play the likes of Florida and BYU would be humiliated, BYU is not on the same level as Florida.
OU had two All Americans out for this game. Stoops is responsible for getting his team up for a game, if his team wasn't motivated it is his fault. If OU played BYU again they would kill the Cougars.
Lets remember that BYU has lost many more bowl games than they win, they do not get prepared for the "big games".
BYU has a good defense playing with a less than average offense in a conference that is, for the most part, very average.
Grow up BYU fans, this is one win in a long season. If BYU did win the remaining 11 games they would have to play the likes of Florida and BYU would be humiliated, BYU is not on the same level as Florida.
EuroCoug | 4:07 a.m. Sept. 14, 2009
Loved the article! Thanks for the glimpse back into history--I didn't even
know what BYU was in 1984, but it has since become one of the most important
institutions in my life and I appreciate the thorough recounting of this
momentous event. I look forward to the sections to come!
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