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Utah Jazz: Millsap's contract causing concern
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Let em both go | 11:02 p.m. July 11, 2009
Both Snooze and Millsap should go. It's time the Jazz start trying to make
their team better, and that isn't Snooze or Sap!
nick | 11:22 p.m. July 11, 2009
let milly and price go. sign odom, trade boozer, harp, and korver, sign wes
matthews and josh duncan from summer league.
trade:wright
anthony randolph
maggette
turiaf
for:
kirilenko
korver
knicks 1st rounder
then:boozer+harp for jermaine oneal, he gives us defense and
huge contract comes up at end of year and have loads of cap
dwill
brewer
odom
okur/randolph
oneal/randolph
maynor
maggette
matthews
turiaf/koufus/duncan
wright/fesenko
this would be a definite championship team, we have stacked team full of defense and athleticism 1-14, your thoughts
trade:wright
anthony randolph
maggette
turiaf
for:
kirilenko
korver
knicks 1st rounder
then:boozer+harp for jermaine oneal, he gives us defense and
huge contract comes up at end of year and have loads of cap
dwill
brewer
odom
okur/randolph
oneal/randolph
maynor
maggette
matthews
turiaf/koufus/duncan
wright/fesenko
this would be a definite championship team, we have stacked team full of defense and athleticism 1-14, your thoughts
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The Dude | 11:31 p.m. July 11, 2009
Blazers fans,
Sorry to bust your bubble, but Ironma Millsap will be in Utah for a long time to come. Soak it in while its at your fingertips, but you'll see how much we value this player and this team.
Go JAZZ.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but Ironma Millsap will be in Utah for a long time to come. Soak it in while its at your fingertips, but you'll see how much we value this player and this team.
Go JAZZ.
JR | 11:40 p.m. July 11, 2009
Anthony Randolph is untouchable. Good try though.
CJ3 | 11:45 p.m. July 11, 2009
If the Jazz keep Boozer they are practically guaranteed AT LEAST the 6th spot in
the POs...Pho, Hou, and NO will be lucky to sniff the bottom of the West, and
Dallas isn't much better.
The Jazz offer to Millsap was $1.03 mill.
And finally...who the HAY is Josh Duncan?!?!
The Jazz offer to Millsap was $1.03 mill.
And finally...who the HAY is Josh Duncan?!?!
Shaybo | 11:56 p.m. July 11, 2009
re: Lottery or Milsap, I think lottery would be better.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!! | 12:10 a.m. July 12, 2009
Don't do this. I like Milsap - all Jazz fans do. But he isn't worth
this much money. If the Jazz let Milsap go to Portland and keep Boozer for a
year we'll be really good this year and with Boozer, Harpring and
Korver's expiring contracts that is about $25MM freed up to make a run at
one of the big free agents of 2010.
Dexter | 12:15 a.m. July 12, 2009
K Portland fan! You really think we're going to finish AFTER the SUNS in
the western conference NO CHANCE?! Also, to the guy who couldn't figure out
why the Blazers are trying to hurt the jazz, its because they CAN AND are in our
DIVISION.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's dump anyone and everyone on the roster except for D Will and get Dwayne Wade! I know there's not a chance he will come from Miami to Utah but man, it would be so nice.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let's dump anyone and everyone on the roster except for D Will and get Dwayne Wade! I know there's not a chance he will come from Miami to Utah but man, it would be so nice.
Good Luck & Goodbye | 12:24 a.m. July 12, 2009
We all like Millsap for solid mid level exception money, but not at the cost of
hurting the Jazz organization with a huge luxury tax burden and for well proven
starter money.
If he would rather be a back up in Portland, as reported by his associate and from him signing that contract instead of letting the Jazz do a similar contract with less up front for the cap, then let him go. Perhaps he is afraid to start (Boozer was a guaranteed trade before he signed that contract) and he must want to remain a back up in Portland, so stick it back to Portland and have their salary cap fully spent/tied up paying a back up as their highest paid player! Don't overpay for players anymore (Ostertag and Kerilenko ring a bell?)
If he would rather be a back up in Portland, as reported by his associate and from him signing that contract instead of letting the Jazz do a similar contract with less up front for the cap, then let him go. Perhaps he is afraid to start (Boozer was a guaranteed trade before he signed that contract) and he must want to remain a back up in Portland, so stick it back to Portland and have their salary cap fully spent/tied up paying a back up as their highest paid player! Don't overpay for players anymore (Ostertag and Kerilenko ring a bell?)
Who is this Vartanian? | 12:32 a.m. July 12, 2009
This Ara Vartanian character is quite ridiculous. I mean completely ridiculous!
I went to the Oregonian website, and Vartanian is going off on how Millsap has
3 point range, but never showed it because of Sloan. If crashing the ball off
the side of the glass from the elbow is considered "3 point range" so
be it.
sigh.....just match it | 12:32 a.m. July 12, 2009
the salary cap # and what he will be paid can and in this case are different
numbers. even though he gets the bonus upfront, only 25% counts on this
year's payroll. T-Buck needs to get with the program. I'm tired of
emailing him when he inverses numbers on stats and doesn't do his CBA
homework!
"Who are you? And why are you here?"
"Who are you? And why are you here?"
No way | 12:46 a.m. July 12, 2009
Great guy.
Hard worker.
Good team mate.
Good rebounder.
Good hustle guy.
Limited low post game.
Too short to be a starting PF.
Bye Paul.
No you know why AK announced the other day he is not playing on his national team and is instead "working on his body". The Jazz have likely told him they will be losing boozer, millsap, or both of them.
Whoever gets Millsap now will be overpaying....UNLESS we can unload a big contract. I guess we have until the trade deadline. We can match now and take months to unload Booz or AK if we want to.
As long as we don't finish the season with this much salary then we won't be paying all that tax.
Paul becomes much more affordable without the tax.
Tick tock!!!
Hard worker.
Good team mate.
Good rebounder.
Good hustle guy.
Limited low post game.
Too short to be a starting PF.
Bye Paul.
No you know why AK announced the other day he is not playing on his national team and is instead "working on his body". The Jazz have likely told him they will be losing boozer, millsap, or both of them.
Whoever gets Millsap now will be overpaying....UNLESS we can unload a big contract. I guess we have until the trade deadline. We can match now and take months to unload Booz or AK if we want to.
As long as we don't finish the season with this much salary then we won't be paying all that tax.
Paul becomes much more affordable without the tax.
Tick tock!!!
TheWiz | 12:47 a.m. July 12, 2009
Now the Oregonians want this small-market team to go bust and wind up as their
new I-5 rivals: the Seattle Supersonics, Mach II. :p Portland is definately
bullying Jazz management right now.
I still think that Milsap has shown that he is more consistent than Boozer at this point; however, it is a lot to ask. Will it be worth it to keep him? We'll see. Let's just hope that we can keep (or find) another PF for a while to fill in the void left by Milsap.
I still think that Milsap has shown that he is more consistent than Boozer at this point; however, it is a lot to ask. Will it be worth it to keep him? We'll see. Let's just hope that we can keep (or find) another PF for a while to fill in the void left by Milsap.
mr | 12:49 a.m. July 12, 2009
maybe Karl will come out of retirement.
Blazer Nation | 12:49 a.m. July 12, 2009
From a Blazer fan...I just want to say that this whole thing is unfortunate.
I want Millsap on the Blaers (he would kill on that team), but I really wish our sports enviornment supported more loyalty to the team who drafted them, developed them and brought them up through the system. I know that I want to keep our key guys.
There has to be a better way. There should be some kind of clause allowing special privleges to the incumbent team. That way we wouldn't see players jumping all around every year.
Jazz - you guys are class all the way. Stay that way. Stockton to Malone forever. I'll feel great if we get Millsap, but a little underhanded at the same time.
I want Millsap on the Blaers (he would kill on that team), but I really wish our sports enviornment supported more loyalty to the team who drafted them, developed them and brought them up through the system. I know that I want to keep our key guys.
There has to be a better way. There should be some kind of clause allowing special privleges to the incumbent team. That way we wouldn't see players jumping all around every year.
Jazz - you guys are class all the way. Stay that way. Stockton to Malone forever. I'll feel great if we get Millsap, but a little underhanded at the same time.
Let Paul Go? | 1:08 a.m. July 12, 2009
I'm a Millsap guy, but overpaying an undersized four is what the Knicks do.
Look how bad they are. Brandon Bass got, what, 4 years 18 mil? He's a
very similar player to Millsap.
Maybe the move is to let Portland have that toxic deal. Good luck resigning Roy, Oden, Aldridge, etc!!
Maybe the move is to let Portland have that toxic deal. Good luck resigning Roy, Oden, Aldridge, etc!!
todd to cj3 | 1:25 a.m. July 12, 2009
Dallas not much better?
Hee hee Hee Hee
Another greg disciple and Sloanie
It may not mean more reg season wins but they likely will get back to 2nd round of playoffs and would do well in the east.
Gorcat and Dampier the 2 of them are better defensively than OKURRIE
Dampier even hurt the JAzz in that loss late season at Big D
Marion says and I believe him, he is healthy, confident, fired up and ready
31 is not washed up.
MArion will be great on the Mavericks. No doubt
Also much better coaching led by Carlisle and an owner that least tries to win succeed or not..
Hee hee Hee Hee
Another greg disciple and Sloanie
It may not mean more reg season wins but they likely will get back to 2nd round of playoffs and would do well in the east.
Gorcat and Dampier the 2 of them are better defensively than OKURRIE
Dampier even hurt the JAzz in that loss late season at Big D
Marion says and I believe him, he is healthy, confident, fired up and ready
31 is not washed up.
MArion will be great on the Mavericks. No doubt
Also much better coaching led by Carlisle and an owner that least tries to win succeed or not..
the village people | 1:34 a.m. July 12, 2009
that means you are crying over Paul like a bunch of rednecks.
32-36 mil over 4 years is 9 mil per year with signing bonus averaged in. With 10 million you get Odom who can dribble, can defend and has a nose for the ball.
With Odom and Boozer and Dwill this team can surprise a lot of teams...OR we can keep scratching in the dirt like a bunch of chickens never daring to look up.
Derek Fisher said the diff between Jerry Sloan and Phil Jackson is Jerry wants the team to play hard each game, and Phil expects a win each game.
I think Paul can play hard but he doesnt' expect to win each game. Dwil, Boozer, and other winners expect to win it all the time.
Something else to consider is that poor management will have us pay AK and Harpring 21.5 million this season. What have we changed since then? Our expectations? I hope not.
32-36 mil over 4 years is 9 mil per year with signing bonus averaged in. With 10 million you get Odom who can dribble, can defend and has a nose for the ball.
With Odom and Boozer and Dwill this team can surprise a lot of teams...OR we can keep scratching in the dirt like a bunch of chickens never daring to look up.
Derek Fisher said the diff between Jerry Sloan and Phil Jackson is Jerry wants the team to play hard each game, and Phil expects a win each game.
I think Paul can play hard but he doesnt' expect to win each game. Dwil, Boozer, and other winners expect to win it all the time.
Something else to consider is that poor management will have us pay AK and Harpring 21.5 million this season. What have we changed since then? Our expectations? I hope not.
Bye Millsap | 2:10 a.m. July 12, 2009
Millsap is not worth that kind of money. It's a dumb move by Portland as
they will never win a championship with their current roster (including
Millsap).
Teams around the league don't want to do business with the Blazers and nobody will want Millsap at that kind of money. They have to resign Roy and Aldridge which eats up all of their cap room to sign any quality free agents in the future.
Millsap is not going to put them over the top to compete for a championship. Let Millsap go and watch the the Blazers dig their own grave on a 15 minute per game backup forward.
Like the Blazers, the Jazz aren't winning a championship with their current roster anyway. They will have the New York pick next season and some cap room from Boozer, Harpring, Korver and Millsap coming off the books. Lots of options to work with for next season.
Teams around the league don't want to do business with the Blazers and nobody will want Millsap at that kind of money. They have to resign Roy and Aldridge which eats up all of their cap room to sign any quality free agents in the future.
Millsap is not going to put them over the top to compete for a championship. Let Millsap go and watch the the Blazers dig their own grave on a 15 minute per game backup forward.
Like the Blazers, the Jazz aren't winning a championship with their current roster anyway. They will have the New York pick next season and some cap room from Boozer, Harpring, Korver and Millsap coming off the books. Lots of options to work with for next season.
TurkeyGlue | 3:18 a.m. July 12, 2009
Portland has no need to have a bench back-up paid the second highest salary on
their team. They did this "toxic" manuever because the Jazz have to
keep Millsap if they can shop Boozer or they have NO PF. The luxary tax hit to
Utah could be around $20 million this year to sign Milsap ( matching the salary,
huge front-end bonus, and losing their perpetual pay-off for always being under
the Cap). Larry Miller dies and his family is devastasted by this move. If they
match the Milsap ransom, The Jazz become the highest paid salary team in the
NBA, and they still need to sign another player, yet to be acquired. I consider
this a dirty blow against a team in the same Northwest Division that has ruled
Portland's butts for years. Portland can "kiss goodbye" any
future cooperative trades with the Jazz for players they actually need by
burning this bridge with Utah. This was a sleazy, vindictive act by Pritchard.
getadog | 3:34 a.m. July 12, 2009
Make a run at a big free agent in 2010??? I'm sorry, is there a big free
agent next year who went to BYU? Maybe someone who has secretly converted to
Mormonism? I don't think D-Wade is leaving South Beach to take up
snowboarding. The Jazz better realize that drafting guys like Millsap in the
second round is the best way to add talent in SLC, and if you find a diamond in
the rough, you'd better do what you can to keep him. No free agents are
coming.
MILSAP WILL STAY!!!! | 3:48 a.m. July 12, 2009
As someone who's in the PR business, Kevin O'Connor at his interview
yesterday for D-Wills charity golf tourney has exposed the Jazz intentions by
saying that the Jazz don't intend on overpaying Milsap but a match offer
will be considered carefully.
That's a technique in the PR world most politicians use to prep the audience for their decision and playing up the magnitude of the end result. In this case, Kevin is playing coy but mentioning ONCE again the Jazz won't over pay Milsap but what he's really saying is that they will indeed match the offer because it's not overpaying Milsap.
Then again maybe this is just a ploy to get a sign and trade with the Chicago-Portland-Utah trade senario with Boozer again. With Milsaps signing bonus, will this enable the deal to go forward so the Blazers get Hinrich, Chicago gets Boozer and the Jazz get Milsap and Thomas?
That's a technique in the PR world most politicians use to prep the audience for their decision and playing up the magnitude of the end result. In this case, Kevin is playing coy but mentioning ONCE again the Jazz won't over pay Milsap but what he's really saying is that they will indeed match the offer because it's not overpaying Milsap.
Then again maybe this is just a ploy to get a sign and trade with the Chicago-Portland-Utah trade senario with Boozer again. With Milsaps signing bonus, will this enable the deal to go forward so the Blazers get Hinrich, Chicago gets Boozer and the Jazz get Milsap and Thomas?
odogtriever | 5:15 a.m. July 12, 2009
Lottery is not an option. Those saying lottery is better are stupid. This team
could be in the lottery and picking 13th or 14th at best. With d-will, they will
never be a bad team. Tell me how many great players in the last 10 years came
from the bbottom of the lottery. Now tell me how many busts. I don't know
the number but it is more busts than all-stars
I don't see what the big deal is all about. The real contract is around 6 to 7 mill a year. That is what the jazz valued him at anyway. The only killer is the signing bonus and some speculate that not all of the signing bonus counts against the cap. Milsap as a starter averages 18 & 10, and that is with an undeveloped offensive game and no plays ran for him. I can think of a lot of players that get those same numbers and they make more money.
I don't see what the big deal is all about. The real contract is around 6 to 7 mill a year. That is what the jazz valued him at anyway. The only killer is the signing bonus and some speculate that not all of the signing bonus counts against the cap. Milsap as a starter averages 18 & 10, and that is with an undeveloped offensive game and no plays ran for him. I can think of a lot of players that get those same numbers and they make more money.
The differenc between LA | 5:48 a.m. July 12, 2009
and Utah is obvious. When Ariza tried to stiff the Lakers they replaced him in a
heart beat. They had plan B in place and ready.
The Jazz on the other hand are getting mugged because they are incapable of changing. Supposedly they were prepared for all contingencies. They can and should replace Millsap with a player making the MLE.
Shopping Boozer frantically may just be media hype. Are the Jazz really dumb enough to make two major mistakes at the same time. Panic never results in a good deal. They know that. The Boozer trade represents the future of the franchise. If they blow that we will all know the problems are hopeless because the are in the front office.
It seems to be part of their corporate DNA. They are incapable of replacing players. They insist on overpaying.
What is wrong with the Jazz? They can run car dealerships. Is it so hard to part with a used car? They can always get another one at a decent price.
Is Millsap going to save the franchise? Boozer is actually a better player.
Why are the Jazz so incapable of managing change? What is wrong with this organization?
The Jazz on the other hand are getting mugged because they are incapable of changing. Supposedly they were prepared for all contingencies. They can and should replace Millsap with a player making the MLE.
Shopping Boozer frantically may just be media hype. Are the Jazz really dumb enough to make two major mistakes at the same time. Panic never results in a good deal. They know that. The Boozer trade represents the future of the franchise. If they blow that we will all know the problems are hopeless because the are in the front office.
It seems to be part of their corporate DNA. They are incapable of replacing players. They insist on overpaying.
What is wrong with the Jazz? They can run car dealerships. Is it so hard to part with a used car? They can always get another one at a decent price.
Is Millsap going to save the franchise? Boozer is actually a better player.
Why are the Jazz so incapable of managing change? What is wrong with this organization?
More than anyting else | 7:07 a.m. July 12, 2009
in a turbulent environment, an organization has to be flexible, adaptable and
capable of rapid effective change. The economic environment is changing rapidly.
The Jazz are in a bind and seem to be very flat footed.
POR has microsoft roots they are very capable of change and thrive on it. LA obviously does as well. SA has remade itself many times. DAL is very proactive. Even DEN is proactive. Lastly PHO is adapting. They changed the mistake of bringing in Shaq. HOU took major risks and got bit but they will adapt quickly.
The Jazz relish not changing. Like Bush they try to force the environment to reward them for spitting into the wind (bad idea). They are stubborn and try to ride thru shifts they should adapt to.
Rule #1 stay on the right side of the mega trends. Take advantage of the cheap labor available.
Everything about Sloan's behavior suggests that he is very resistant to change. He literally seems to run the Jazz from the bottom up.
He has no education, experience nor capability of running a large organization. The Jazz are incompetent from the bottom up since the bottom is running the organization.
The Jazz are in a bind and seem to be very flat footed.
POR has microsoft roots they are very capable of change and thrive on it. LA obviously does as well. SA has remade itself many times. DAL is very proactive. Even DEN is proactive. Lastly PHO is adapting. They changed the mistake of bringing in Shaq. HOU took major risks and got bit but they will adapt quickly.
The Jazz relish not changing. Like Bush they try to force the environment to reward them for spitting into the wind (bad idea). They are stubborn and try to ride thru shifts they should adapt to.
Rule #1 stay on the right side of the mega trends. Take advantage of the cheap labor available.
Everything about Sloan's behavior suggests that he is very resistant to change. He literally seems to run the Jazz from the bottom up.
He has no education, experience nor capability of running a large organization. The Jazz are incompetent from the bottom up since the bottom is running the organization.
Equafinality | 7:21 a.m. July 12, 2009
is a principle that states that their in many situations there is more than one
"right way". There is a set of feasible successful solutions.
There is more than one combination of players who are capable of winning.
ORL seems to be adapting well. They simply replaced key players with other players. Same for LA, SA and DAL. POR is taking advantage of the drop in player costs and playing hardball on resigning key players.
The point is key players are replaceable as long as you get one of the right combinations of players.
Utah has not had and does not have a "right combination" but they insist on not trying to get a right combination.
Today the flexible and adaptable beat the slow and non adaptive. There is a reason why POR choose to mug Utah and not NY. That reason is not Millsap. Utah is a hapless non adaptive sloth ripe for attacking. They could get Lee and trade Aldridge it would be a better move but NY now has proactive management and POR attacked Utah because they are incapable of managing change.
In POR the GM not the coach does the GM job.
There is more than one combination of players who are capable of winning.
ORL seems to be adapting well. They simply replaced key players with other players. Same for LA, SA and DAL. POR is taking advantage of the drop in player costs and playing hardball on resigning key players.
The point is key players are replaceable as long as you get one of the right combinations of players.
Utah has not had and does not have a "right combination" but they insist on not trying to get a right combination.
Today the flexible and adaptable beat the slow and non adaptive. There is a reason why POR choose to mug Utah and not NY. That reason is not Millsap. Utah is a hapless non adaptive sloth ripe for attacking. They could get Lee and trade Aldridge it would be a better move but NY now has proactive management and POR attacked Utah because they are incapable of managing change.
In POR the GM not the coach does the GM job.
Sports Fan | 7:27 a.m. July 12, 2009
This is all obscene. How are pro athletes any different that the CEO's of
the major corporations. They make exorbitant amounts of money and the government
is attacking them. We fans who support the franchises are barely getting by in
providing basic support to our families. All of us are talented in one way or
another, but do we pull down salaries in the millions. Why should a pro athlete
have the opportunity to work for 5-10 years and never have to work again. Many
of the athletes just waste the money they make on drugs, posses, gambling, etc.
Lets rein this in before it gets further out of hand. There is more to life
than money. The world is full of greed. The love of money is the root of all
evil. Get a life.
louisiana jazz man | 7:29 a.m. July 12, 2009
klinko 16 mil boz 12 mil okur 10.5 millsap 6.2 if im portland reading all these
blog im smileing big time. if you can get a player like millsap for 6.2 you just
stole him. utah willnot even make the playoffs with out him. caint belive
everything you read you would think they are talking to millsap not agents. but
if im reading blogs wich he probly is not man with that much money has better
things to do, portland is excited utah mostly saying let him go not worth 6.2
mil after making 700.ooo for 3 yrs. i would be ready to head to portland. i
guess i will be watching portland next year only reason i watched utah was
williams and millsap. looks like you have run boozer and millsap off. whats next
williams send him on to portland then all i have to watch is 1 team.
Millsap is a JOKE!! | 8:01 a.m. July 12, 2009
He is not worth the money Portland is offering...plain and simple. None of
these prima donas are worth the money with the current economic situation.
These guys seem to be bulletproof when it comes to signing contracts. In the
case of Millsap he played a lot during the Boozer/Okur injury period. He simply
cannot score in the context of playing with the regular setup of players.
Besides that just because Boozer/Williams/Okur score as they do versus other
teams doesn't mean anything. The NBA is just an exhibition league until
the playoffs. The Jazz is just as stated by other postings...a NICE TEAM that
will never get a sniff of the championship other than the Malone/Stockton years.
Enjoy what we have. Even with Millsap, Portland will not be improved to
championship status. Millsap is undersized and is subject to injuries with his
style of play. He will be a bust at Portland...trust me. The Jazz are in the
process of dissolution. Boozer will be gone after next season. The money will
dry up. Sooner or later the league is going to come back to reality on the
contracts. This is ridiculous on contracts.
Health | 8:06 a.m. July 12, 2009
Millsap is not a starter by any means in this league. I guarantee his body will
break down during this season. He didn't even make it a whole season at
Utah. Let him go and save some cash for next season's spending spree. AK
could you just leave your contract and go back to Russia, you are killing the
Jazz...why don't you seek a new deal!
CJ3 Re: Todd | 8:17 a.m. July 12, 2009
Always enjoy your comments, Todd.
Here's the thing about Dallas:
Yes, they should do well in their division, because NO and Hou are headed in the wrong direction, but there's a very good chance they'll at least have injury issues.
Literally half the team is 30+ years of age. Nowitski, Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry (all key guys, the core if you will), Devean George, another key rotation player I can't recall at the moment, and yes, even Erick Dampier who is having a birthday here real quick, will be 34.
3/4 of the roatation are geriatric, in NBA terms.
I like Carlilse, but I don't know how much he'll have to work with this season.
Here's the thing about Dallas:
Yes, they should do well in their division, because NO and Hou are headed in the wrong direction, but there's a very good chance they'll at least have injury issues.
Literally half the team is 30+ years of age. Nowitski, Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry (all key guys, the core if you will), Devean George, another key rotation player I can't recall at the moment, and yes, even Erick Dampier who is having a birthday here real quick, will be 34.
3/4 of the roatation are geriatric, in NBA terms.
I like Carlilse, but I don't know how much he'll have to work with this season.
RE: O'Conner | 8:21 a.m. July 12, 2009
Let's see here, Millsap gone, Boozer gone after one more year at best. A
center that can't post up in church ball. AK a head case who only shows up
when he wants to. We are in trouble folks. The cause, O'Conner. Other
that Williams his first round picks have been suspect. He overpaid for AK
putting us in to this mess. He got lucky with Millsap. O'Conner has to
go. He has put us near the luxury tax with an average ball club. How is that
possible.
fossil | 8:27 a.m. July 12, 2009
we have ny draft pick next summer and there are some nice pf. coming out. one
more lottery year next season and we will be ok. we will have two number one
draft picks and will be in the top five pick also and a extra pick to move into
the top two if needed. will get a superstar.
fossil | 8:32 a.m. July 12, 2009
read next years mock draft some great power forwards in the top ten coming out,
we will get one of the best with new yorks draft pick. they are holding money
for next years free agents so they should have a bad bad season which is great
for us.
JD | 8:33 a.m. July 12, 2009
I strongly suspect that Portland's management is smarter than to make a
less than serious offer for any player, only to cause problems for a single
team.
They no doubt are aware that matching the offer could cause the Jazz some problems on a short-term basis. However, to do that without helping yourself in both the short-term and long-term would not be a smart move. Portland, like every other team in the league, wants to do what is best for them, not just what is worst for one other team.
They no doubt are aware that matching the offer could cause the Jazz some problems on a short-term basis. However, to do that without helping yourself in both the short-term and long-term would not be a smart move. Portland, like every other team in the league, wants to do what is best for them, not just what is worst for one other team.
@ Louisiana Jazz Man | 8:36 a.m. July 12, 2009
I think I get the meaning of your comment, it's just hard to deciphere with
your penmanship and spelling. Paul was drafted in the 2nd round and that has NBA
contract limitations as to salary, thats the reason Paul was somewhat under paid
in his first years. He now has shown he is a talent, but nothing more than a
good sub. He is and will not be ever a starter in this league unless it is for
the same reason that he started last year. The player he was subbing for went
down and he had to step in as the starter, otherwise he's back on the bench
where he belongs filling in as a reserve. He's not and I repeat not
athletic, he is just a hard worker who will stay in this league for a long time
because of his work ethic. Portland has over paid now let them decide how they
are going to use him! I'd personnally take Gooden or Nocioni any day for
less money.
JD | 9:03 a.m. July 12, 2009
I disagree that Utah is not trying to get the right combination of players. That
they have not yet made a significant move towards that end this year does not
mean they are not trying. Having read and heard comments from so-called fans for
years, I know that there will be complaint regardless of what the Jazz do.
Indeed, some individuals will be angry about anything they do.
This is not to say that I don't want the Jazz to win a title. I simply realize that it is a difficult goal, and that, like any business, will make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of its goals, and that those decisions may even prove to be wrong, in hindsight, or at least not the best possible.
I'm not trying to make excuses for the Jazz. I'm just trying to point out that running such an organization is more difficult than critiquing from the sidelines like so many fans do.
This is not to say that I don't want the Jazz to win a title. I simply realize that it is a difficult goal, and that, like any business, will make unpopular decisions in the pursuit of its goals, and that those decisions may even prove to be wrong, in hindsight, or at least not the best possible.
I'm not trying to make excuses for the Jazz. I'm just trying to point out that running such an organization is more difficult than critiquing from the sidelines like so many fans do.
Jazz Cop | 9:42 a.m. July 12, 2009
No boozer trade means no matching millsap offer. No way the jazz should match
if they can't make a trade first. I love paul, and everything, but
he's too undersized to ever be great, besides, the jazz are better when
booz plays and millsap backs up, koufus can back up. Booz might play up to an
allstar level for a new contract. Trade ak for mcgrady
louisiana jazz man | 10:07 a.m. July 12, 2009
he went back to the bench alright but shouldnt have. he was in the game at the
end when it counted tho boz was on the bench. same as it will be in portland
alrige, not spelled right fire me, will be on the bench right before he is
traded and millie starting. millsap 6.2 alrige wants 20 mil. worse than boz. why
you think they signed millie?
Gretkzy | 10:20 a.m. July 12, 2009
time for the Jazz to be sold and move on to another state or country so college
basketball can once again thrive in the great beehive state!!! the Jazz have no
desire to win. the Jazz have a proven track record of that. they get marginal
allstars on the roster, overpay once an allstar and done players, and now
Millsap is going to be overpaid. Portland stinks! let them have him. get rid of
Boozer or let him play the season out but play for the #1 pick next year. lose
all of your games this year. it's the only way. you gotta know when to fold
em, know when to hold em...like Kenny Rogers said. with the NY Knicks pick plus
the Jazz' cellar dweller pick that means the potential for two first
rounders that can really help Deron do something.
Millsap worth more than MLE | 10:52 a.m. July 12, 2009
I can not believe people are saying Millsap is only worth the MLE. Krover gets
paid close to 5 million this season which is close to the MLE. Do these same
people think Krover is more valuable than Millsap?
Krover is a hit and miss player who should only be paid the league minium. Millsap has the potential to be a great player. The Jazz should bring in Malone who first turned the Jazz on to Millsap and pay Malone to help develop him.
Krover is a hit and miss player who should only be paid the league minium. Millsap has the potential to be a great player. The Jazz should bring in Malone who first turned the Jazz on to Millsap and pay Malone to help develop him.
Anonymous | 10:59 a.m. July 12, 2009
Miles
Portland is trying to get better, without giving anything up. The Jazz will match - but this simply makes it almost impossible to for the Jazz to get something in return.
For example the Jazz send Boozer to Chicago, they get back Tim thomas and Chicago finds a team under the cap (memphis, detroit, OK city) that will take Tryus Thomas without giving up anything. The Salary Millsap (with bonuses) with Thomas is only 2.5 million higher than Boozer - Then the Jazz have 3 years at 7 million
Portland is trying to get better, without giving anything up. The Jazz will match - but this simply makes it almost impossible to for the Jazz to get something in return.
For example the Jazz send Boozer to Chicago, they get back Tim thomas and Chicago finds a team under the cap (memphis, detroit, OK city) that will take Tryus Thomas without giving up anything. The Salary Millsap (with bonuses) with Thomas is only 2.5 million higher than Boozer - Then the Jazz have 3 years at 7 million
Anonymous | 11:01 a.m. July 12, 2009
Honestly, if i were Millsap, i'd bounce. Not such a bad thing if the Jazz
keep Boozer, trade AK for TMac, and have 2 lottery picks and LOADS of cap space
for next season. I'm ready to be patient. Heck, I have been thus far.
What's another year before a true opportunity to be a champion arises???
Kevin in the Terrace | 11:23 a.m. July 12, 2009
Look, here is what you do, let Millsap go, he is good but not that kind of money
good. Make AK your back up PF, rotate Kouf, Okur, Fes in the 5 and 4 spot and
you won't even miss Millsap.
Wrong Game | 11:28 a.m. July 12, 2009
The Blazers are playing chess while the Jazz & KOC is playing checkers,
and the Jazz got just what they deserved by not locking up Millsap. KOC should
be sent packing.
broaden the sweep | 11:33 a.m. July 12, 2009
I don't understand how this is an "either/or" scenario. If the
Jazz are going to pay the kind of money it will take to retain Paul, I am sure
they are looking at what they can get for similar or slightly more money. For
example.. Odom, who is a little erratic about always mentally showing up for
games, but massively talented, and great at attacking the rim.. which is a major
deficiency in the current Jazz players. Boozer will either play or he
won't. History suggests he'll dog it for yet another season.
I was against trading him for Hamilton, but now I'm not so sure.
I was against trading him for Hamilton, but now I'm not so sure.
ed in az | 11:43 a.m. July 12, 2009
The Milsap contract was described as "toxic" by the Portland
management. As much as I like Paul, and would like him to stay in SLC, I have
to say that the contract is much more toxic to Portland than to Jazz. Paul
would be crazy to turn down the money, and will have a decent run in Portland.
Jazz have to focus, right now, on bringing another franchise player to the
team.. Carlos has shown he does not want or deserve that role. Stockton to
Malone is more than a phrase.. It shows that you need at least two franchise
players to be a serious contender.. A roster of "very good" players
and one star and you have the Hornets...
Good riddance... | 1:12 p.m. July 12, 2009
If any player leaves our great city, I say good riddance. If they dont realize
what a great place salt lake is then I dont want them here.
Dharmabum | 1:20 p.m. July 12, 2009
I think the reason Portland made a run for Millsap is that he is still available
and not locked up already. I think that this is probably option 3 or 4 for
Portland in the off season. NY made it clear they would match any offer for Lee.
Portland lost Hedo - hurray for small markets like Portland & SLC - so that
fell through. The Chicago, Utah and Portland deal where it seemed no one
really even tried, thusly leading to this offer. Portland has cap space THIS
year only. Utah is in luxury tax territory. Millsap is a great back-up who will
help Portland's bench, why not try and land him, and put the money on the
front end when you are $8 or 9 million below the salary cap???
And if you want to blame anyone, blame Boozer, for not having the guts to bail like he said back in the spring - weak.
And if you want to blame anyone, blame Boozer, for not having the guts to bail like he said back in the spring - weak.
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