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2 men cited in trespassing on LDS plaza
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By the way, years ago a hetero-friend of mine was asked to leave Temple Square because she was kissing her boyfriend. Instead of being angry at the Church, they were just embarrassed and did leave the property.
The homosexual crowd talks about being understanding, compassionate, etc but if you cross the line that THEY choose they unload on you like a ton of bricks.
This is because evil knows no bounds.
Maybe this was not a planned thing, but based on the actions of the gay population, I would say that it was very calculated. Guilty by association.
Amazing how much noise this tiny proportion of Americans can make. Seems like a lot more sometimes, eh? Even more amazing how they are so bold in calling themselves good and the rest of us bad. Calling us the haters-when it is they that propogate hate at every opportunity.
A lot of noise, but this too shall pass!!
True or not, the Church has a right to its beliefs and to set rules on its private property.
I guess this 3%-4% number is supposed to discount gay people.
By the way, for the record, only 2%-to-3% of the American population (and an even smaller percentage of the world population) is Mormon.
What little you would spend would never make up for the bad feelings I am sure you would bring with you as well--- I believe you made a wise decision-- stay home.....
FYI: The Church never said they would support civil unions in Utah. They said they would not actively fight them. They have been accused of lying because they did not come out in support of laws allowing civil unions in Utah. There is a big difference between saying nothing and making a public statement in support of civil unions. The Church kept its word by saying nothing against the proposed law.
I sure appreciate the many people of Utah who are not LDS, but are good-natured enough to put up with our quirks and respect our beliefs even though they do not share them. We can all live in peace if we want to. Some people don't want to.
I've always enjoyed my trips there, and will likely move to Utah from Colorado. You just need to find the right town.
The security police put up with a lot and are not easily provoked-so there was more going on than was reported by the media. Any body that starts swearing and fighting is going to receive the same treatment-gay, straight, young or old.
To all my GLT friends out there, get over yourselves. Nobody hates you or is trying to impose their lifestyle on you. You can do anything you choose to do in the sanctity of your home, bedroom, hotel, wherever. In reality it is you that would try to impose your lifestyle on all the world. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of the world rejects your lifestyle totally.
Go and live in peace, but leave us alone as well.
Only saying that that little segment among us sure sounds like a whole lot more than it really is
What is truly amazing is how much good the 2% LDS population continues to do in the U.S. and around the world on a daily basis. Now there is an interesting assignment: Compare and Contrast how these two small communities (LDS and Gays) make the world a better place. One espousing love door to door around the globe-preaching peace. While the other seeks to serve it's own cause and perpetuate (an oxymoron) itself by calling the other hateful and bigoted. A classic example of a the old football strategy: The best defense is a good offense.
Stay home----
To the person who commented that those who disagree with how the situation was handled must be gays from California: what intolerant ignorance to believe that only California gays are disturbed by how church security responded to a trespass violation. I am a 7th generation Mormon, served a mission, am heterosexual, supported the Church's position on Prop. 8, and think the men should have left when asked, but I believe the response by church security was inappropriate.
Here is the truth, for any who care to read it:
“The unholy transgression of homosexuality is either rapidly growing or tolerance is giving it wider publicity. The Lord condemns and forbids this practice with a vigor equal to his condemnation of adultery and other such sex acts. The fact that some governments and some churches and numerous corrupted individuals have tried to reduce such behavior from criminal offense to personal privilege does not change the nature or the seriousness of the practice. Good men, wise men, God-fearing men everywhere still denounce the practice as being unworthy of sons of God; and Christ’s church denounces it and condemns it so long as men have bodies which can be defiled.” LDS President Spencer W. Kimball
Property rights were used to justify discrimination against blacks throughout much of American history. Blacks were considered trespassing when they demanded equal access to restaurants, hotels, drinking fountains, and voting booths. Black slaves were considered property, and slavery and segregation continued until our nation recognized that property rights cannot be a justification for injustice.
The Salt Lake police spokesperson gave an example of a restaurant owner asking someone to leave. However, a restaurant owner is not allowed to handcuff and to push someone to the floor who refuses to leave.
Good for church security and the SLPD.
Contrary to many member's view, you are not the center of the universe and everything that happens in this world isn't an attack on you or your "beliefs." Some people just want to live their lives, to love and be loved.
Yes, we Mormons do. So why can't the LGBT community just leave us alone to do so?
If my childs friends behaved in an inappropriate way at my house, they would be told to stop and would not be invited back.
This has nothing to do with civil rights, gay rights or love, it has to do with property rights, especially private property. Most LDS members for the most part are very tolerant and will say very little to anyone even if they are displaying unwanted acts. The chapels do not have security guards present all the time.
This was private property, they were asked to leave. That is the end of the story. Anyone who disagrees with that are totally wrong. For the person who says no to LDS Missionaries repeatedly needs to understand that people move and the missionaries only serve for two years. They are only in an area for six months maximum in most cases and less in others. They leave and go on to the next house. Maybe you really should welcome them in sometime. They really are quite human.
In essence these two activists were doing the same thing. They were being "in your face" and obnoxious about they public displays of homosexual affection. When asked to leave, they objected and got evicted.
I am active LDS and still hold to "my place, my rules. If you don't like them - go away.
Gen.27:26
And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
Gen 29:13
And it came to pass, when Laban heard the tidings of Jacob his sister’s son, that he ran to meet him, and embraced him, and kissed him, and brought him to his house.
Song.1:2
Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
Gen.33:4
And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
Ex.4:27
And the Lord said to Aaron, Go into the wilderness to meet Moses. And he went, and met him in the amount of God, and kissed him.
Rom.16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
1Cor. 16:20
All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss. (2 Cor.13:12; 1Thes.5:26; 1Pet.5:14)
What bothers me is the handcuffing by the Church rent-a-cops. That is beyond accpetable. I expect that alone will generate a lawsuit that the Church will and should lose. They clearly overstepped their authority.
I know you think you are making some sort of point - what that point is, none of us will ever know.
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